One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: letsgetiton! on June 18, 2006, 02:17:41 PM
-
its half time i have to vent my frustrations!
for all u tiv and hall lpovers, today is prro to my theory that they are both effing ridiculous and should not be in our team!!!
these 2 aone , plus the umpires, are why we are losing!!!!
tiv has missed 3 easy goals with no pressure on him at all!!!!
he as i have said , is teh most patheric disposer of tha ball around!!!
hall is weak , and not agile enough!!! why he is in over schulz effs me!!!
tiv u r an effing moron
i want to make this loud and clear i effing hate tiv, weak prick who cant kick!!!
and all u lovers who say he has had a good yr, remember, disposal numbers dont count!!!! its what you do with it
-
We're getting smashed in the centre clearances so I could blame about 15 others not just Tivs and Hall. Very few Tigers putting their bodies in.
-
We're getting smashed in the centre clearances so I could blame about 15 others not just Tivs and Hall. Very few Tigers putting their bodies in.
not blaming the clearances, we usually always get beaten there! tuck is playing like a dog though
but the 3rd quarter is finished and once again in that quarter tiv and hall stuffed us badly!!!!!
raines should not be in the back pocket on dixon and terry wallace 4 once has coached pathetic, why the f he has persisted with hall on franklin, and not polo is bs!
deledio is playing soft and better start using his talent, krak bling meyer all trying, petts our best witgh simmonds.
terry so far has coached as bad as tiv and hall have played thus far!
-
cant believ hall is making buddy look so good! thats how bad hall is
-
cant believ hall is making buddy look so good! thats how bad hall is
Poor match-up by Wallace. Razor can't go with Franklin. Wallace has been out-coached today.
-
cant believ hall is making buddy look so good! thats how bad hall is
Poor match-up by Wallace. Razor can't go with Franklin. Wallace has been out-coached today.
wallace was just plain stupid today, i hope he comes out and does a blight and publicly bags tiv, hall add staff and himself. cant beleive they used dixon to drag raines deep back and wallace didnt make a change .....bloody fool
what have we learned today
a few things
1/ staff should not play again
2/ tiv should not play again
3/ hall should not play again
4/ deledio is getting lazier by the week
5/ tuck is quickly losing his touch and needs to start putting in , he is way down on last y
6/ we still cant tackle
7/ goal kicking is crap
8/ tiv i repeat should not play again
-
Here's another one: Delist Krak - he's a spent force, gives nothing week in and week out, doesn't have a heart. Gives insipid efforts after the game is lost, survives every week because he's his father's son. Good tackler, but he should be kicking goals - can't think why else he's in the team. He doesn't deliver on anything.
-
Here's another one: Delist Krak - he's a spent force, gives nothing week in and week out, doesn't have a heart. Gives insipid efforts after the game is lost, survives every week because he's his father's son. Good tackler, but he should be kicking goals - can't think why else he's in the team. He doesn't deliver on anything.
krak busted his guts today trying to win the hard ball, he was ferocious at the ball, cant blame him, he never cost us any goals. he was unlucky many times not to be awarded frees. tuck has to start pulling his finger. the delivery inside 5o was pathetic and tiv is a huge culprit and tuck also.
i am fuming, polo was hardly given a run today and wallace is effing around with meyer, get him settled up fwd where he belongs.
-
Krakouer and Tuck are average footballers who if we are smart we would trade before people realise whats going on lol
-
Sorry X have to disagree. Krak was very ordinary today and was a passenger who floated around packs which in the end like many of his teammates did cost us goals and the game.
Wallace can rip shreads off he players today for their poor efforts but he should also admit he had a shocker in the coaching box. Franklin had kicked 1 goal all year and a dud like Brennan none but today we made them look like superstars up forward.
-
X,
Where do we start.
You would be better off making a list of players who did well today, it would be quicker.
Agree Tiv and Hall were ordinary. Sure Tiv missed goals he should have kicked but the TEAM kicked 16 behinds. I remember a number of players missing goals they should have kicked. Atleast Tiv won the ball and had some clearances.
Krak was a disgrace today, hardly had an impact.
Hall was terrible and should have been on someone else. I say bring back Gaspar, you cant have a backline full of attackers we need atleast one or two who will stop their opponent. Our backline was too worried about attacking, when they should have been beating their opponent and then attacking.
-
krak busted his guts today trying to win the hard ball, he was ferocious at the ball, cant blame him, he never cost us any goals. gs.
Last time i saw him in the last qtr, he was standing wide of the pack waiting for an easy give which didn't come his way - the Hawks ran away with the ball.
Sorry X, but i wish you would really look at his game and especially his worth.
I would dearly love to see him do well and shove it up me, so to speak, but how long do we have to wait?
If that's how you describe his game today, i am totally baffled :banghead
-
Hall was terrible and should have been on someone else. I say bring back Gaspar, you cant have a backline full of attackers we need atleast one or two who will stop their opponent. Our backline was too worried about attacking, when they should have been beating their opponent and then attacking.
Razor shouldn't have been on Franklin in the first place but 2-3 of Buddy's goals came off crumbing dropped marks by Razor :help.
-
tiv, iirc , kicked 4 points, all at crucial stages, all kickable. for a guy the media keep saying has a gr8 kick, he is a damn joke.
about krak, he busted his guts in teh packs in the 1st half, and every time deserved a free and every time didnt get one, at times he was also pinned 4 holding the ball when he was trying to get the ball on not hold it in. i think the umpiring broke his spirit and hunger, it can happen. many times the hawks held the ball in, and never got done 4 holding the ball. its bs
terry should get his ass kicked 4 playing hall on buddy, hall should have played on barker if anyone, hall i have said time and time again, is too clumsy to be an afl player
-
Krak was awful! He was not even close to busting his guts out there. A more apt description would be he played like a busted gut.
Someone pass me the imodium. :help
-
X,u only like him co's he's aboriginal - Face it.
-
From where I was sitting yesterday and using your criteria X nearly the entire team should never play again.
Want me to go through them one by one?
We had IMHO 2 winners yesterday – Pettifer (god I wish we had 5 of him because by golly we needed it) and Johnson because of the job he did on Hodge. Patto was OK but his goal kicking let him down.
i want to make this loud and clear i effing hate tiv, weak prick who cant kick!!!
This is a perfect example of what bg25 & I were talking about last night on the plane coming home.
It seems for some people if you don’t like a player it doesn’t matter what they do or how they do it – they are crap, end of story. Now if you like a player it doesn’t matter how they play there is always excuses – he was carrying an injury, he tried but he had an off day. A little bit of consistency in evaluation criteria wouldn’t go astray.
I will agree that Tiv didn’t have a great game but neither did Krak, neither did Hall, neither did about 15 other blokes running around in Richmond jumpers.
Last time i saw him in the last qtr, he was standing wide of the pack waiting for an easy give which didn't come his way - the Hawks ran away with the ball.
From Moi:
Sorry X, but i wish you would really look at his game and especially his worth.
I would dearly love to see him do well and shove it up me, so to speak, but how long do we have to wait?
If that's how you describe his game today, i am totally baffled
Glad it showed up on the TV Moi because things like that rarely do it seems. But I have to say Krak wasn’t alone in that aspect of the game especially up forward. Want me to start a list? ::)
Actually the lack of hard running by our mid-field and forwards was shocking at best, with the word pathetic being one of the most apt descriptions. The number of times we had blokes just jogging along waiting for something to happen was unacceptable.
i am fuming, polo was hardly given a run today and wallace is effing around with meyer, get him settled up fwd where he belongs.
Polo got plenty of game time, he was on Bateman and Bateman beat him – simple. The only time Polo came off was when Bateman did. It was his worst game but he will learn. Meyer was also beaten – tried hard but struggled to get into the game. To say his position is up forward is, well, let me say that IMO the kid is a natural mid-fielder who at the moment is not physically strong enough to play there.
Wallace can rip shreads off he players today for their poor efforts but he should also admit he had a shocker in the coaching box. Franklin had kicked 1 goal all year and a dud like Brennan none but today we made them look like superstars up forward
We had a lot of terrible match-ups. I couldn’t understand why they didn’t try Foley on Mitchell. Hall on Franklin was always a worry, what was interesting with Buddy was not one of his goals was from a contested possession. Which makes you wonder why they didn’t try Polo – in the Coburg game it was in the contested stuff Buddy was thrashed by Polo and as a result it is way of getting inside his head. You get inside Buddy's head and he becomes ineffectual
Newman on Williams was another shocker – Newman struggles on the small forwards close to goal and gives us more running off HB. Tuck is simply not coping with being tagged so why not send him to FF and give us a leading mobile option?
Want me to go on…………… :scream
And for good measure I won’t even start on the shocking decision making and skill errors
tiv, iirc , kicked 4 points, all at crucial stages, all kickable. for a guy the media keep saying has a gr8 kick, he is a damn joke.
Browny's a bloody good kick to and he missed a couple of sitters but everyone will say it's OK because he is coming back form injury - 40 metres out sorry but no it aint
about krak, he busted his guts in teh packs in the 1st half, and every time deserved a free and every time didnt get one, at times he was also pinned 4 holding the ball when he was trying to get the ball on not hold it in. i think the umpiring broke his spirit and hunger, it can happen. many times the hawks held the ball in, and never got done 4 holding the ball. its bs
Broke his hunger ??? - sorry X but that has to be the biggest cop out of the season - if you allow a few poor umpiring decision influence the way you play you might as well go fishing or bike riding along the St Kilda foreshore.
Scope the ball in under the pack and you deserved to get pinged - Krak did and he got pinged - simple!
But then again applying your argument - Tivva must have had his spirit and hunger broken too when he almost lost his head with it being pratically ripped off and he was pinged for holding the ball too
-
From where I was sitting yesterday and using your criteria X nearly the entire team should never play again.
Want me to go through them one by one?
We had IMHO 2 winners yesterday – Pettifer (god I wish we had 5 of him because by golly we needed it) and Johnson because of the job he did on Hodge. Patto was OK but his goal kicking let him down.
i want to make this loud and clear i effing hate tiv, weak prick who cant kick!!!
This is a perfect example of what bg25 & I were talking about last night on the plane coming home.
It seems for some people if you don’t like a player it doesn’t matter what they do or how they do it – they are crap, end of story. Now if you like a player it doesn’t matter how they play there is always excuses – he was carrying an injury, he tried but he had an off day. A little bit of consistency in evaluation criteria wouldn’t go astray.
I will agree that Tiv didn’t have a great game but neither did Krak, neither did Hall, neither did about 15 other blokes running around in Richmond jumpers.
Last time i saw him in the last qtr, he was standing wide of the pack waiting for an easy give which didn't come his way - the Hawks ran away with the ball.
From Moi:
Sorry X, but i wish you would really look at his game and especially his worth.
I would dearly love to see him do well and shove it up me, so to speak, but how long do we have to wait?
If that's how you describe his game today, i am totally baffled
Glad it showed up on the TV Moi because things like that rarely do it seems. But I have to say Krak wasn’t alone in that aspect of the game especially up forward. Want me to start a list? ::)
Actually the lack of hard running by our mid-field and forwards was shocking at best, with the word pathetic being one of the most apt descriptions. The number of times we had blokes just jogging along waiting for something to happen was unacceptable.
i am fuming, polo was hardly given a run today and wallace is effing around with meyer, get him settled up fwd where he belongs.
Polo got plenty of game time, he was on Bateman and Bateman beat him – simple. The only time Polo came off was when Bateman did. It was his worst game but he will learn. Meyer was also beaten – tried hard but struggled to get into the game. To say his position is up forward is, well, let me say that IMO the kid is a natural mid-fielder who at the moment is not physically strong enough to play there.
Wallace can rip shreads off he players today for their poor efforts but he should also admit he had a shocker in the coaching box. Franklin had kicked 1 goal all year and a dud like Brennan none but today we made them look like superstars up forward
We had a lot of terrible match-ups. I couldn’t understand why they didn’t try Foley on Mitchell. Hall on Franklin was always a worry, what was interesting with Buddy was not one of his goals was from a contested possession. Which makes you wonder why they didn’t try Polo – in the Coburg game it was in the contested stuff Buddy was thrashed by Polo and as a result it is way of getting inside his head. You get inside Buddy's head and he becomes ineffectual
Newman on Williams was another shocker – Newman struggles on the small forwards close to goal and gives us more running off HB. Tuck is simply not coping with being tagged so why not send him to FF and give us a leading mobile option?
Want me to go on…………… :scream
And for good measure I won’t even start on the shocking decision making and skill errors
tiv, iirc , kicked 4 points, all at crucial stages, all kickable. for a guy the media keep saying has a gr8 kick, he is a damn joke.
Browny's a bloody good kick to and he missed a couple of sitters but everyone will say it's OK because he is coming back form injury - 40 metres out sorry but no it aint
about krak, he busted his guts in teh packs in the 1st half, and every time deserved a free and every time didnt get one, at times he was also pinned 4 holding the ball when he was trying to get the ball on not hold it in. i think the umpiring broke his spirit and hunger, it can happen. many times the hawks held the ball in, and never got done 4 holding the ball. its bs
Broke his hunger ??? - sorry X but that has to be the biggest cop out of the season - if you allow a few poor umpiring decision influence the way you play you might as well go fishing or bike riding along the St Kilda foreshore.
Scope the ball in under the pack and you deserved to get pinged - Krak did and he got pinged - simple!
But then again applying your argument - Tivva must have had his spirit and hunger broken too when he almost lost his head with it being pratically ripped off and he was pinged for holding the ball too
and u reckon i favor players?????? hmmmmmmmmm
-
I reckon a straight swap to North.
Krak for Hay.
We have just as much chance of getting some return. ;D
-
If I was an out of form player, i'd love to play the Tigers. We seem to able to run anyone who's been playing sh!tful back into form.
I stuck up for Hall last week, but he played a bad one today.
Patto was the positive, started to show a bit, covered the ground well and looks like he can take a contested grab. Needs a bit more awareness though.
Agree with Deledio being lazy as well.
Krak can't last too much longer, he's had plenty of chances.
-
I just reckon they were due for a loss (wake-up call, if you will). They got it.
Too many players didn't play well to single just a couple out. When they consistently play like that, i reckon you've got grounds to bag them (ie Tiv last year). But most of the players this year have been playing pretty well, with a few playing above the rest - Bowden, Petts, Simmo, Rainsey even. The rest of them have been playing well, but still lots of errors in their game, which get highlighted more depending on who it is. If it's Tiv, is a monty for everyone to blame him for the whole team's performance ::) Easy scapegoat and lets other culprits off the hook too easily. He missed goals, but wasn't alone. Most of them were on the 50 metre line, so they weren't gimme goals. On days like yesterday when everyone's playing badly, the ones who play the worst are the scapegoat when it should be the lot of them. Is like saying a guy who kicks the winning goal is responsible for winning a game - totally forgetting the other 100 minutes or so that got them to that point.
-
I just reckon they were due for a loss (wake-up call, if you will). They got it.
Too many players didn't play well to single just a couple out. When they consistently play like that, i reckon you've got grounds to bag them (ie Tiv last year). But most of the players this year have been playing pretty well, with a few playing above the rest - Bowden, Petts, Simmo, Rainsey even. The rest of them have been playing well, but still lots of errors in their game, which get highlighted more depending on who it is. If it's Tiv, is a monty for everyone to blame him for the whole team's performance ::) Easy scapegoat and lets other culprits off the hook too easily. He missed goals, but wasn't alone. Most of them were on the 50 metre line, so they weren't gimme goals. On days like yesterday when everyone's playing badly, the ones who play the worst are the scapegoat when it should be the lot of them. Is like saying a guy who kicks the winning goal is responsible for winning a game - totally forgetting the other 100 minutes or so that got them to that point.
not blaming just tiv.
but tiv, hall , team selection, team positioning , coaching decision making, tuck ,staff, krak, and lids are the main reasons why we lost along with attitude
-
Too many players didn't play well to single just a couple out.
Exactly the point I was trying to make Moi.
From where I was sitting yesterday and using your criteria X nearly the entire team should never play again.
Want me to go through them one by one?
We had IMHO 2 winners yesterday – Pettifer (god I wish we had 5 of him because by golly we needed it) and Johnson because of the job he did on Hodge. Patto was OK but his goal kicking let him down.
As I said above...
With the exception of 2 or 3 most of them had absolute shockers. As a team we weren't switched on from the first bounce and we copped the result we deserved because of it.
-
krak busted his guts today trying to win the hard ball, he was ferocious at the ball, cant blame him, he never cost us any goals. he was unlucky many times not to be awarded frees.
Are you for real? Krakouer had 3 possessions to three quarter time.
He's a complete hack. Trade, delist, ...... Just get rid of this lazy footballer. :banghead
-
Newman on Williams was another shocker – Newman struggles on the small forwards close to goal and gives us more running off HB.
Newman did a good job on Williams who's caused us plenty of heartache in the past.
He only had 5 possessions and kicked 1 goal. That's a pretty solid defensive job in my book.
-
Pettifer (god I wish we had 5 of him because by golly we needed it)
If I got a dollar for every time someone said that over the years I'd be ........ $1 richer ;D.
Hall on Franklin was always a worry, what was interesting with Buddy was not one of his goals was from a contested possession. Which makes you wonder why they didn’t try Polo – in the Coburg game it was in the contested stuff Buddy was thrashed by Polo and as a result it is way of getting inside his head. You get inside Buddy's head and he becomes ineffectual
In the Coburg game, Polo exposed Buddy's lack of accountability by continually running forward and off him. Yesterday Razor remained deep in our backline and never moved out of defensive 50 which played into Franklin's hands as Buddy always hangs off contests goal side waiting for a teammate to feed cheap footy out to him or in our case picking off dropped marks :scream.
-
Pettifer (god I wish we had 5 of him because by golly we needed it)
If I got a dollar for every time someone said that over the years I'd be ........ $1 richer ;D.
Hall on Franklin was always a worry, what was interesting with Buddy was not one of his goals was from a contested possession. Which makes you wonder why they didn’t try Polo – in the Coburg game it was in the contested stuff Buddy was thrashed by Polo and as a result it is way of getting inside his head. You get inside Buddy's head and he becomes ineffectual
In the Coburg game, Polo exposed Buddy's lack of accountability by continually running forward and off him. Yesterday Razor remained deep in our backline and never moved out of defensive 50 which played into Franklin's hands as Buddy always hangs off contests goal side waiting for a teammate to feed cheap footy out to him or in our case picking off dropped marks :scream.
I was amazed Polo didn't get another shot at him regardless of Franklin coming back from injury when Polo flogged him.
Polo should have been given first crack particularly given Buddy's well known mental dispositions.
Franklin plays short. 2 marks for the day says it all.
Polo would have played him much tighter and made him accountable.
Hall was loose and his errors allowed Buddy to kick goals and gain confidence. From there the horse had bolted.
Wallace misread this match up big time IMO.
-
they still need to become MEN as a team.
Too many little boys mentalities.
Coupla years.
-
krak busted his guts today trying to win the hard ball, he was ferocious at the ball, cant blame him, he never cost us any goals. he was unlucky many times not to be awarded frees.
Are you for real? Krakouer had 3 possessions to three quarter time.
He's a complete hack. Trade, delist, ...... Just get rid of this lazy footballer. :banghead
so many pl are blinded by his efforts. many times krak was burrying himself in packs v 3 and 4 hawks all bty himself with no support, working his but off to try and win the ball, sure , he may has sat a bit back at times, well in the fwd line u have to do that, buddy did it and kicked 6 goals.
i swear many ppl on here think they know what they are seeing but have no idea, terry wont drop krak, cos he was trying to fullfill his role.
where was tuck??? he is meant ti be the ball winner, where was tiv, he was meant to be tagging mitchel
ppl say you cant blame certain players but u can. at critical moments in the game tiv could have , should have kicked goals! but didnt, they then the ball goes str8 to the hawkd fwd line and hall f's up on buddy and goal.
there were too many 12 point turnarounds during the match, and the main culprits were hall and tiv!
this can really damage the spirit of a young side and cre8 bad trends.
i am the first to admit that krak had a dirty day, but he never stopped trying, and at least his skills usually never let us down. u cannot say that about tiv and hall!
staff tried hard but his problem was , he was running out too far from goal, he should know better , he wasnt playing chf but ff and should have stayed there.
regardless of what so many experst posters here think, tiv and hal have always been liabilities , players with reputations that are greater than their abilities, i have a right to hate tiv and hall because they have bluffed their ways through their careers,
krak is diff and terry knows this, krak was wrapped in cotton wool by spud and it will take time to repair the damage spud created. but if a good trade comes and we can do better, im all 4 it. at least we could get something 4 krak, but hall and tiv have no value what so ever!l
-
i am the first to admit that krak had a dirty day
LMAO :rollin
A stat for anyone interested i never expected to find on a stat sheet - Tiv had 10 tackles lol
-
i am the first to admit that krak had a dirty day
LMAO :rollin
A stat for anyone interested i never expected to find on a stat sheet - Tiv had 10 tackles lol
tiv was crap! 10 tackles and none stuck!
if krak played midfiled all day he would have 20 tackles a game and all would stick!
-
Problem is Krak can't play midfield all day because he's lazy and unfit. :banghead
-
Problem is Krak can't play midfield all day because he's lazy and unfit. :banghead
he is not lazy
everyone used to call joel bowden lazy , but he isnt. krak along with brown is our smartest footballer in the team, the only player with raw footy brains, no one in our team has that, tambling is close other than that no one, a team full of bimbos, thats why they need tiger tafe!
-
Problem is Krak can't play midfield all day because he's lazy and unfit. :banghead
he is not lazy
everyone used to call joel bowden lazy , but he isnt. krak along with brown is our smartest footballer in the team, the only player with raw footy brains, no one in our team has that, tambling is close other than that no one, a team full of bimbos, thats why they need tiger tafe!
Agree X that once Krak gets the footy he has the footy smarts but he just doesn't get his hands on the footy enough consistently. We had at least 15 blokes who had shockers so I don't mean to single him out but 3 possies up to 3/4 time puts him in that "had a shocker" category. We needed Tigers who got in and put their head over the footy but too many skirted around contests expecting a teammate to feed the ball out to them.
-
And if Krak was good enough to play midfield, don't ya reckon he would be there playing now after all the years he's been at the club.
Struggling to hold down where he is, let alone shoving him in the deep end where his fitness level, or lack of one, would soon be found wanting.
-
Problem is Krak can't play midfield all day because he's lazy and unfit. :banghead
he is not lazy
If he's not lazy then his fitness just isn't up to standard.
He' not fit enough to be considered a midfielder and surely is close to the slowest indigenous player ever.
He's not productive enough to be considered a specialist forward.
Don't just take my word for it,TW said pretty much the same thing at the start of the year.
At 23 yrs of age he's reached his potential. It ain't going to get any better from here.
This is as good as Krak is going to get and it's not good enough.
Do not be surprised one bit if Krakouer gets dumped to Coburg for the Pies match on the back of his past two "performances".
TW has done it once already and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens again.
I hope it does.
-
He's a great little tackler, and he sometimes shows glimpses of brilliance and you think, gee, he could be something special. But that's it, it's just glimpses and that's not good enough IMO.
-
He's a great little tackler, and he sometimes shows glimpses of brilliance and you think, gee, he could be something special. But that's it, it's just glimpses and that's not good enough IMO.
at least krak shows glimpses, that means he has potential, players like tiv and hall show nothing, no glimpses, no potential! what so ever!!!
-
at least krak shows glimpses, that means he has potential, players like tiv and hall show nothing, no glimpses, no potential! what so ever!!!
Actually you've just indirectly raised an interesting question X - how long can any player survive based on the fact they have POTENTIAL ?
Seriously how long do you give them? 3 years, 5 years , 6 years?
-
at least krak shows glimpses, that means he has potential, players like tiv and hall show nothing, no glimpses, no potential! what so ever!!!
Actually you've just indirectly raised an interesting question X - how long can any player survive based on the fact they have POTENTIAL ?
Seriously how long do you give them? 3 years, 5 years , 6 years?
how long can players survive with bad kicking skills, no potential at all or bimbo brain power?
lets see
bad kicking skills...........d.kellaway gaspar
no potemtial...........tivendale,hall
bimbo brain power........hall, tivendale
i guess krak could play for 15 years based on that
how long have hall and tiv been carried for , tiv has had 3-4 shocking yrs in a row!
-
If it was just 3 years then Pettifer would have been given the chop long ago.
Malcolm Blight during the Brisbane game on the weekend said that all AFL players have ability but only the best have talent. Where talent is understanding the game and making the most of their abilities. I think that's what you judge potential by. If someone doesn't show any signs of improvement then 3 years is more than adequate otherwise 5 years for those with potential. By 5 years you should have a pretty good idea if they're are good enough to play AFL at a high standard or not.
The problem at Richmond was most of our "best" players would have been middle-of-the-road players at other clubs yet we signed anyone up who had even 1 good year (= player with potential) to long $$$ contracts. On top of that we drafted so few youngsters that we would hold onto them for an eternity otherwise we'd have none, instead of drafting a whole bunch per year and sorting the best youngsters from the mediocre.
-
how long can players survive with bad kicking skills, no potential at all or bimbo brain power?
lets see
bad kicking skills...........d.kellaway gaspar
no potemtial...........tivendale,hall
bimbo brain power........hall, tivendale
i guess krak could play for 15 years based on that
how long have hall and tiv been carried for , tiv has had 3-4 shocking yrs in a row!
X, I think you missed the point of my question. Perhaps I should have started a seperate thread for it because I really believe it's an interesting footy topic.
I was bagging Krak I was actually looking for people's thoughts on how long you give blokes who are labelled as having "potential"
MT's comments about Pettifer being gone if 3 years was the norm was the thought of thing I am looking at. People have been saying fo years he has "potential" and 2 seasons ago people were saying get rid of him - now he'd be close to leading our B&F. He's been in the system what? 6 seasons? So I suppose the question is how to people judge it considering every player is different etc
I am just really interested in people's views on this.
-
Hyde's another one although he would just be a average AFL footballer. Pettifer is moving up into level where opposition coaches would spending the week focussing a fair bit of attention on how to contain him.
-
X, A gold miner isn't rated on the number of holes he digs in search of the precious metal, he is rated on how much of the shiny stuff he brings out. Krak may dig a lot of holes but more often than not comes up empty handed. Sorry but its a Burger break for mine.
-
how long can players survive with bad kicking skills, no potential at all or bimbo brain power?
lets see
bad kicking skills...........d.kellaway gaspar
no potemtial...........tivendale,hall
bimbo brain power........hall, tivendale
i guess krak could play for 15 years based on that
how long have hall and tiv been carried for , tiv has had 3-4 shocking yrs in a row!
X, I think you missed the point of my question. Perhaps I should have started a seperate thread for it because I really believe it's an interesting footy topic.
I was bagging Krak I was actually looking for people's thoughts on how long you give blokes who are labelled as having "potential"
MT's comments about Pettifer being gone if 3 years was the norm was the thought of thing I am looking at. People have been saying fo years he has "potential" and 2 seasons ago people were saying get rid of him - now he'd be close to leading our B&F. He's been in the system what? 6 seasons? So I suppose the question is how to people judge it considering every player is different etc
I am just really interested in people's views on this.
i knew what you meant wp, i just answered a question with a question so to speak.
i understand what you and mt have said .
re/ petts and hyde, they developed slowly purely and simply cos of spud.
getting back to the question
how long to you keep players on who have potential but dont seem to use it
i say 2 yrs, i know krak hasnt been the best in the last 2 weeks, but b4 that , he had 5 fantastic weeks(b4 he was out injured) but in saying that, if he does not get back to the way he played in those 5 good weeks i beleive he should be traded. he has 10 games to prove he deserves to stay. im th eforst to acknowledge that. i know can do it.
now re hall and tiv, imo they have passed their used by dates and regardless how they play from here on, shoudl be looked at traded or delisted. hall as i understand has 1 more yr left so if he cant be traded, off to coburg in his last year.
anyway 2 years is enough time . petts and hyde have blossomed sinces terry arrived so we can assume spud was the dud who stuffed themm up
krak i believe has improved under terry
tiv and hall have both declined and become poorer under terry
just my opinion
-
X, A gold miner isn't rated on the number of holes he digs in search of the precious metal, he is rated on how much of the shiny stuff he brings out. Krak may dig a lot of holes but more often than not comes up empty handed. Sorry but its a Burger break for mine.
think that analogy is better for tiv and hall not krak !
-
If someone doesn't show any signs of improvement then 3 years is more than adequate otherwise 5 years for those with potential. By 5 years you should have a pretty good idea if they're are good enough to play AFL at a high standard or not.
Thats the problem now with the lists of 40 or whatever. In the days of lists of 60 you could hide the kids away for the few years, nowadays, you get a few injuries, the kids have to play before they're ready, they don't show anything and the pressure is on them.
-
tiv and hall have both declined and become poorer under terry
Come on X
Pull your head out of your arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you can honestly say that Tiv hasnt improved this season then you are dead set kidding yourself.
He WAS terrible for the last 3 years or so, but this season as a whole for Tiv has been good - very good.
As stated in other posts, i couldnt stand him the last couple of seasons and used to scream my head off abusing him especially last season. This season however i am giving credit where its due and Tiv deserves it. Just admit it.
Krak has shown his potential but unfortunately for us is that he cant maintain that on a consistant basis. It really is a shame.
-
tiv and hall have both declined and become poorer under terry
Come on X
Pull your head out of your behind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you can honestly say that Tiv hasnt improved this season then you are dead set kidding yourself.
He WAS terrible for the last 3 years or so, but this season as a whole for Tiv has been good - very good.
As stated in other posts, i couldnt stand him the last couple of seasons and used to scream my head off abusing him especially last season. This season however i am giving credit where its due and Tiv deserves it. Just admit it.
Krak has shown his potential but unfortunately for us is that he cant maintain that on a consistant basis. It really is a shame.
he has declined, look at his effective disposal efficiency rate!!! its a damn joke!!
-
ahahahaha 4 pages of reading this has done made me dizzy!!!!
I think I started a thread a week ago about this.......let me see if I can find it!
-
2006 Player Head to Head Comparison (Average Per Game)
Greg Tivendale Name Andrew Krakouer
Richmond Team Richmond
156 Career Games 85
Rythdale-Officer-Cardinia Origin South Fremantle
April 19, 1979 Date of Birth February 4, 1983
27 Age 23
185 cm Height 176 cm
95 kg Weight 76 kg
12 2006 Games 9
19.2 Disposals 14.2
13.1 Kicks 9.1
5.6 Long Kicks 2.1
5.3 Marks 4.2
0.2 Contested Marks 0.2
6.1 Handballs 5.1
4.8 Tackles 4.4
0.7 Goals 0.8
0.8 Behinds 0.8
0.6 Frees For 0.9
0.8 Frees Against 0.9
0 Hitouts 0
3.1 First Possessions 2.2
2.4 Clearances 1.4
5.6 Inside 50s 2.4
0.9 Rebound 50s 0.4
1.9 Contested Possessions 1.4
19.0 Uncontested Possessions 13.0
3.8 1%ers 3.1
3.5 Errors 2.8
1.4 Bounces 0
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=112&pid1=652&tid2=112&pid2=200192
This comparison to me says that Tiv gets more ball, lays more tackles, gathers more contested ball, enters F50 more, contributes more 1% to the team, carries the ball more and DOES make more errors than Krak. That is to be expected though when you have the ball in your hands more often.
-
Richmond Statistical Leaders
Total Average Per Game
Total Disposals Joel Bowden 285 Disposals Per Game Joel Bowden 23.8
Total Kicks Joel Bowden 191 Kicks Per Game Joel Bowden 15.9
Total Marks Kayne Pettifer 105 Marks Per Game Kayne Pettifer 8.8
Total Handballs Mark Coughlan 117 Handballs Per Game Mark Coughlan 9.8
Total Tackles Greg Tivendale 57 Tackles Per Game Greg Tivendale 4.8
Total Goals Kayne Pettifer 22 Goals Per Game Matthew Richardson 1.9
Total Behinds Matthew Richardson 18 Behinds Per Game Matthew Richardson 2.0
Total Frees For Joel Bowden 15 Frees For Per Game Cleve Hughes 1.7
Total Frees Against Kayne Pettifer 16 Frees Against Per Game Danny Meyer 1.8
Total Hitouts Troy Simmonds 228 Hitouts Per Game Troy Simmonds 19.0
Total Contested Marks Matthew Richardson 19 Contested Marks Per Game Matthew Richardson 2.1
Total First Possessions Shane Tuck 60 First Possessions Per Game Shane Tuck 5.0
Total Clearances Shane Tuck 39 Clearances Per Game Shane Tuck 3.2
Total Inside 50s Greg Tivendale 67 Inside 50s Per Game Greg Tivendale 5.6
Total Rebounds 50s Joel Bowden 108 Rebounds 50s Per Game Joel Bowden 9.0
Total Contested Possessions Shane Tuck 42 Contested Possessions Per Game Shane Tuck 3.5
Total Uncontested Possessions Joel Bowden 255 Uncontested Possessions Per Game Joel Bowden 21.2
Total Long Kicks Greg Tivendale 67 Long Kicks Per Game Greg Tivendale 5.6
Total 1%ers Joel Bowden 68 1%ers Per Game Joel Bowden 5.7
Total Errors Matthew Richardson 51 Errors Per Game Matthew Richardson 5.7
Total Bounces Brett Deledio 37 Bounces Per Game Brett Deledio 3.4
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/team_home?tid=112
-
only things i look at are
errors made and the amount
effective possessions and the amount
bounces during a match
Inside 50s
first effective possession from a bounce or throw in
the amount of run shown by players..meterage although this stat isnt available
most of the rest are crap i reckon.
-
bulll ur love affair with tiv , continues
of course tiv has more stats, he has more game time in the middle! daaaaaaaaa
how many of tivs long kicks inside 50 miss tagets, they get counted as stars but in actual fact start turnovers and rebounds, dont be fooled by stats!
why dont you just propose to tiv?
just face it, his efficincy as stated by champion data in teh footy record is only 58%
NOT GOOD ENOUGH
AND ITS PLAIN SILLY COMPARING A FULLTIME ONBALLER TO A FORWARD POCKET PLAYER! :thumbsup
-
You started this thread bagging a couple of our players and then try and defend Krakouer?
It's laughable. :lol
IMO I'd rather have both Tivendale and Hall ahead of Krakouer in the side.
They both offer considerably more than Krak IMO.
I suppose next you'll be saying Krak's the perfect player to step up into Cogs role. LMAO.
-
You started this thread bagging a couple of our players and then try and defend Krakouer?
It's laughable. :lol
IMO I'd rather have both Tivendale and Hall ahead of Krakouer in the side.
They both offer considerably more than Krak IMO.
I suppose next you'll be saying Krak's the perfect player to step up into Cogs role. LMAO.
thats ur opinion and i lmao at u!
and btw, if krak had teh fitness he would be better than cogs in the midfeild!
-
IF
LMFAO
What an insult to Cogs.
-
Im not a Cogs fan and seriously that is insulting....terrible comment.
-
yes if! i said if
but krak has far better kicking and handbballing skills than cogs, is a better kick for goal, and just as goood if not better tackler. for such a light frame he wins teh hard ball also. if and yes a big if, krak had the motor he would be a better midfielder than cogs, for all the reasons i stated and teh fact he has a real footy brain!
no insult to cogs, none at all, cogs is goos but vastl;y overrated
-
If both careers were to end today, who would have achieved the most.
They don't give out B&Fs to anyone. Some really ridiculous stuff in this thread, and, i agree, belittles Cogs' achievements.
Krak doesn't even have OP as an excuse - he's simply just not good enough.
-
IF
I had the same fitness and aerobic capacity as Richo, i would be a better player as i can kick straighter than him.
LMFAO @ how lame this thread has become.
-
Worst thread I have every read, that why I havent posted in it ! ooops :lol
-
Worst thread I have every read, that why I havent posted in it ! ooops :lol
well u gotta admit we are trying hard to entertain ourselves in here although X is outdoing himself today.
-
IF
I had the same fitness and aerobic capacity as Richo, i would be a better player as i can kick straighter than him.
Hmmm now there's a thought. Look out Bull ;)
-
what part of if don't you guys understand!!!
yes cogs won the jd medal! so what, joel won it last yr and has 2 in a row, and we all know richo deserved it last yr but due to missing 99% of teh blues game with concussion missed out!
now back to the if , yes if!!!
i dont give a poo what you guys think! im not talking about work ethic , im not talking about who has achieved more thus far
all i said was if krak had cogs level of fitness , he would be a better on baller than cogs!
that is fact, ok granted a big if! but krak has much more football skilland brain than cogs, just dosnt have the fitness or work ethic atm!
now do you guys remember m.rioli! i sure do! best centremen we ever had! single handeldly nearly won us a flag! with a dodgy knee too! now if , yes if, krak had the fitness he could be just as good as rioli , if not better cos he is a star at winning the hard ball!
yes this thread has become what it wasnt meant to be, thats what happens when we have a bye round!
but , if anyone here thinks that cogs has better skills tha krak just becaus ehe is fitter and plays always midfeild has rocks in their head. cogs is worse than tiv when it comes to field kicking and shortpassing! he kicks to slow, too much hang time, too many hospital passes, and is a shocker at hitting fwd lace out with spearing passes, the only players who do this properly and consistantly are deledio, hyde and krak! fact!
-
Years ago I did shorthand. I was a lousy stenographer, because although i had the most beautiful technique and great outlines, i had no speed. Totally useless :rollin
Krak may have great skills (debatable, because we really don't see enough of them), but his overall output is very minimal. And despite being babied, and given every opportunity that others who languish in the seconds can only dream of, he has been a great disappointment. Just my opinion. I'm glad he has someone who can champion his cause in you, X, because i doubt many others have the patience with him any more.
But, like any of them, I like to see those under constant criticism rise to the occasion and shove it up us. I really hope he can do that. But not holding my breath, because he's been given more chances than most and we're still here waiting for results.
IMO, never gonna happen.
-
Years ago I did shorthand. I was a lousy stenographer, because although i had the most beautiful technique and great outlines, i had no speed. Totally useless :rollin
Krak may have great skills (debatable, because we really don't see enough of them), but his overall output is very minimal. And despite being babied, and given every opportunity that others who languish in the seconds can only dream of, he has been a great disappointment. Just my opinion. I'm glad he has someone who can champion his cause in you, X, because i doubt many others have the patience with him any more.
But, like any of them, I like to see those under constant criticism rise to the occasion and shove it up us. I really hope he can do that. But not holding my breath, because he's been given more chances than most and we're still here waiting for results.
IMO, never gonna happen.
wow, i wonder something
krak gets all this negative stuff from many
but morons of players like tivendale, seem to escape this
iirc, spud dropped joel to the seconds, but never dropped tiv, what makes tiv so special, he is gutless and has very poor disposal, but krak seems to get the rough end, and he playes mainly fwd pocket, the hardest position to play and win ppl over!!!
maybe u do need a dose of oestrogen, or something else
-
what really peees me off is b4 he did his knee, krak had 5 fantastic weeks in a row!
everyone seems to forget that!!!
hm, tuck hasnt played 5 fantastic weeks in a row yet this yr, tiv hasnt either , but has had 4 shockers in a row, likewise hall, but krak seems to always cop a pasting
hmmmmmmmm i think i know why , but i will keep that judgement to myself!!!!
-
Wrong X, Tivs, Hall, Gas, Chaffey, Bowden are the ones who get targeted the most harshly IMO.
Krak gets a bit, but has seemed to have gone under the radar with a lot of Tiger supporters for a long time.
He's now being exposed.
I just don't think it's fair any of them should take the consequences (even Krak) for a loss like that on the weekend, that's why my involvement in this thread. None of them are my favourite players, and even if they were, I hope i can see their faults and they're not above criticism. I don't care if you criticise them, but to virtually hold them responsible for the loss or should be traded, dumped, whatever, is unfair IMO. They've got another half of a season to turn it around, just like Krak has.
What really poos me, is if we come out next week and beat the Pies, all these players will be heroes again.
Richmond supporters are very fickle, methinks :banghead
-
hmmmmmmmm i think i know why , but i will keep that judgement to myself!!!!
lmao
It's because he underachieves (along with others)
X - u are a stubborn,pumped up,one-eyed prik @ times. - believe me,I know 8)
You've been defending Krak fiercely this year.
He simply doesn't deserve it.
If i ever need a publicist I'll PM you.
-
hmmmmmmmm i think i know why , but i will keep that judgement to myself!!!!
lmao
It's because he underachieves (along with others)
X - u are a stubborn,pumped up,one-eyed prik @ times. - believe me,I know 8)
You've been defending Krak fiercely this year.
He simply doesn't deserve it.
If i ever need a publicist I'll PM you.
im glad u said along with others, but krak does seem to cop it worse, he missed a game with injury, missed others by being dropped, but has played 5 top games and 2 serviceable. not bad for a bloke who has missed many games and he is still in our top tacklers, not bad for a fwd pocket who has underachievd and also missed many games, just makes me wonder why th eotehrs havent been dropped, maybe to increase their trade value
btw
stubborn, yes!
pumped up, definately
one-eyed prik , thats for sure, isnt this a OER forum!!!
but its not my fault im a hard neaded, stubborn, one eyed prik! im sicilian!!!! :thumbsup
but i still have a sense of humor lol!!
-
Wrong X, Tivs, Hall, Gas, Chaffey, Bowden are the ones who get targeted the most harshly IMO.
Krak gets a bit, but has seemed to have gone under the radar with a lot of Tiger supporters for a long time.
He's now being exposed.
I just don't think it's fair any of them should take the consequences (even Krak) for a loss like that on the weekend, that's why my involvement in this thread. None of them are my favourite players, and even if they were, I hope i can see their faults and they're not above criticism. I don't care if you criticise them, but to virtually hold them responsible for the loss or should be traded, dumped, whatever, is unfair IMO. They've got another half of a season to turn it around, just like Krak has.
What really poohs me, is if we come out next week and beat the Pies, all these players will be heroes again.
Richmond supporters are very fickle, methinks :banghead
wrong !!!!
and yes tigers fans can be fickle!!!! hmmmmmm ! :banghead :banghead :banghead
-
i started this thread to vent some frustration after our game last weeK
my god, cant believe we are heading to page 6 on it! lol
-
now do you guys remember m.rioli! i sure do! best centremen we ever had! single handeldly nearly won us a flag! with a dodgy knee too! now if , yes if, krak had the fitness he could be just as good as rioli , if not better cos he is a star at winning the hard ball!
The fact that you even mention Krak and Rioli in the same sentance is a DISGRACE, the only thing they have in common in my book is that they are both Aboriginal.
Krak isnt even half the player Maurice was and too even suggest that he may be better is a real insult to him and also ordinary form from yourself X.
Thats a Red card in my book :D ;D
-
now do you guys remember m.rioli! i sure do! best centremen we ever had! single handeldly nearly won us a flag! with a dodgy knee too! now if , yes if, krak had the fitness he could be just as good as rioli , if not better cos he is a star at winning the hard ball!
The fact that you even mention Krak and Rioli in the same sentance is a DISGRACE, the only thing they have in common in my book is that they are both Aboriginal.
Krak isnt even half the player Maurice was and too even suggest that he may be better is a real insult to him and also ordinary form from yourself X.
Thats a Red card in my book :D ;D
i wanna contest my red card :)
i didnt say krak was better than rioli, said if (yes another if) krak had teh fitness , he could be as good as rioli.
damn i hate being red carded, guess i cant play this week!
-
Red cards.............hmmmmmmmmmmm........now there's a thought :rollin :rollin
-
Red cards.............hmmmmmmmmmmm........now there's a thought :rollin :rollin
wp, we hit page 6, has to be a record for such a thread full of substance
-
Coughlan, Rioli....I'm getting on Krak's for the Brownlow!!!!
LMAO :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
-
Coughlan, Rioli....I'm getting on Krak's for the Brownlow!!!!
LMAO :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
in 2 years !
-
And I was away from a computer most of yesterday and today and missed all this fun :rollin. The past 25 years at Richmond has been all about having too many IFFY players lol ;).
-
And I was away from a computer most of yesterday and today and missed all this fun :rollin. The past 25 years at Richmond has been all about having too many IFFY players lol ;).
lol, u missed all the fun! i havent been fishing for a whiole, but i wish when i do get on my boat again, its this easy!
-
Wjat a dud !
How long must we carry his sorry ars.
*spits*
:thumbsup
-
Wjat a dud !
How long must we carry his sorry ars.
*spits*
:thumbsup
nice 1st post, i wonder who u might be? ? ? , maybe i will start a new alias and call myself
"sacktiv" or "sackhall" or "sackrodan" or ...............
"u must be bored"? ? ? ? :thumbsup
btw whats a wjat???
-
I don't know, X, the momentum is growing lol :lol
-
I don't know, X, the momentum is growing lol :lol
da da da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
:shh
must be greg tivendale, maybe he joined teh sight to divert the attention off him, is it tivendale doing a sheedy???? i wonder ;)
-
i have worked out why ppl want to see krak sacked, becaus eby sacking a gun like krak wil save a career dud like tiv! or rodan!
obv tiv has a few fans who hate krak!!!
-
lmao@ sak krak. :rollin
I dont want him sacked x but it seems he has a hidden agenda that will see him play out his years elswhere.
Because of this he is preserving
-
lmao@ sak krak. :rollin
I dont want him sacked x but it seems he has a hidden agenda that will see him play out his years elswhere.
Because of this he is preserving
no one wasnts to see him sacked, only "THEY" do!!!
-
Andy Krakinhalf.
Couldnt put weight on
Spider arms,
-
no one wasnts to see him sacked, only "THEY" do!!!
The Nazis ?
-
I don't know, X, the momentum is growing lol :lol
da da da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
:shh
must be greg tivendale, maybe he joined teh sight to divert the attention off him, is it tivendale doing a sheedy???? i wonder ;)
Seems Wallace has has a gutful too X.
Back to the Burgers for you hacky krak.
-
Coughlan, Rioli....I'm getting on Krak's for the Brownlow!!!!
LMAO :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
in 2 years !
It's a bit hard to win it if you're not playing senior footy.
-
Coughlan, Rioli....I'm getting on Krak's for the Brownlow!!!!
LMAO :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
in 2 years !
It's a bit hard to win it if you're not playing senior footy.
he is only selected in teh burgers for fitness, u watch him being selected next week v the pies, they are giving him a run n the burgers i bet to play a full game in the middle. to prepare him to take over cogs !
-
Coughlan, Rioli....I'm getting on Krak's for the Brownlow!!!!
LMAO :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
in 2 years !
It's a bit hard to win it if you're not playing senior footy.
he is only selected in teh burgers for fitness, u watch him being selected next week v the pies, they are giving him a run n the burgers i bet to play a full game in the middle. to prepare him to take over cogs !
LMAO again. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
You're a comedian for sure X. You should do it professionally if you don't already.
-
Coughlan, Rioli....I'm getting on Krak's for the Brownlow!!!!
LMAO :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
in 2 years !
wait and see!
It's a bit hard to win it if you're not playing senior footy.
he is only selected in teh burgers for fitness, u watch him being selected next week v the pies, they are giving him a run n the burgers i bet to play a full game in the middle. to prepare him to take over cogs !
LMAO again. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
You're a comedian for sure X. You should do it professionally if you don't already.