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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Tiger Khosh on March 15, 2025, 10:40:50 PM
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Great start to our hate watch season with north going down to a severely undermanned doggies side.
0-1, 21L’s to go.
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Beat me too it haha.
The death ride thread.
Be hilarious if we won 4ish games and finished 17th just ahead of them.
Last uncompromised draft...if H Reid wants to come home and we have picks 1 + 2 that would be a mightly good offer before Tas comes into the comp IMO.
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I’m not sure how he is compared to Reid but I think the prospective no.1 pick, Dyson Sharp is highly highly rated in his own right.
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After watching our 3 first rounders and with Smillie and Hotten to come, i am pretty sure I’d like to have our our picks used by our recruitment rather than west coast using them and us getting harley
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It all depends on how highly the top 5 of this draft are rated. Harleys clearly a 10/10 prospect but is that better than having 2 x 8-9/10 prospects? I’d rely on the recruitment team to make that call. Don’t think u can go wrong either way.
If you draft 2 high end mids with our picks this year then that’s pretty much our midfield core set with Lalor, Smillie, Hotton & 2 x 2025 first round picks.
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I'd offer one this year's firsts and a future first, not both - might have to offer up a WA player also, preferably Green or Smith but they'd probably want Blight (as promising as he is I'd give him up for Reid in a heartbeat) :shh
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Go to the draft with our picks for me.
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Go to the draft with our picks for me.
Reid for a player, one first and a future first and you aren’t biting?
Thank goodness you aren’t running things because that would be the steal of the century
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Go to the draft with our picks for me.
Reid for a player, one first and a future first and you aren’t biting?
Thank goodness you aren’t running things because that would be the steal of the century
If we have two top 5 picks this year for them and they want a steak knives I'd take the deal and run.
Midfield of Reid, Lalor, Smillie, other guys like Ross, Taranto, Hopper.
Yep. Deal.
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I’m not so sold on Reid. He doesn’t look fit, would definitely question his commitment
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I’m not so sold on Reid. He doesn’t look fit, would definitely question his commitment
Hmm yes - seem to recall a certain player many said the same thing about during their early years, particularly the third year. :shh
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I’m not so sold on Reid. He doesn’t look fit, would definitely question his commitment
Not sold on a 19yo kid living 4000km from home (a small country town in Victoria)
A kid who doesn’t want to be where he is
Will be a superstar for whichever club brings him home
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I’m not so sold on Reid. He doesn’t look fit, would definitely question his commitment
Not sold on a 19yo kid living 4000km from home (a small country town in Victoria)
A kid who doesn’t want to be where he is
Will be a superstar for whichever club brings him home
How can you be so certain? At this point it’s based off potential from a decent rookie season. I haven’t seen enough to sell the farm for him
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I’m not so sold on Reid. He doesn’t look fit, would definitely question his commitment
Not sold on a 19yo kid living 4000km from home (a small country town in Victoria)
A kid who doesn’t want to be where he is
Will be a superstar for whichever club brings him home
How can you be so certain? At this point it’s based off potential from a decent rookie season. I haven’t seen enough to sell the farm for him
A first, future first and one mid list player isn’t “selling the farm” lol
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I’m not so sold on Reid. He doesn’t look fit, would definitely question his commitment
Not sold on a 19yo kid living 4000km from home (a small country town in Victoria)
A kid who doesn’t want to be where he is
Will be a superstar for whichever club brings him home
How can you be so certain? At this point it’s based off potential from a decent rookie season. I haven’t seen enough to sell the farm for him
A first, future first and one mid list player isn’t “selling the farm” lol
I’d expect them to ask for both our firsts this year and our first next year. Given youd expect all those picks to fall within the top5 (not sure if the Tassie concessions start from 2026?) then that is a hell of a draft haul to be trading away. If the later of our 1sts this year, our first next year and any middling player then that’s Defs worth a strong conversation. But yeah, I rekn they’d ask for more.
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Reckon any actual deal for Reid will involve more than two clubs and will be similar to the JHF trade. :shh
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Just on Reid, couple fo points
He is contracted to the end of 2026, so can't see WC trading him unless it is for a mega deal for say three 1st round draft picks and perhaps a future 2nd rounder
If he does request a trade he will nominate a club. Not sold he'd nominate us....actually and this is just my opinion I don't reckon we are any chance
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Just on Reid, couple fo points
He is contracted to the end of 2026, so can't see WC trading him unless it is for a mega deal for say three 1st round draft picks and perhaps a future 2nd rounder
If he does request a trade he will nominate a club. Not sold he'd nominate us....actually and this is just my opinion I don't reckon we are any chance
Don’t reckon we are any chance?
Front loaded contract worth millions more over the length of the contract is a pretty handy bargaining chip.
We will have a fortune in available salary cap space. Front loading the deal doesn’t harm where we are heading at all.
If we want to get it done, convincing Harley shouldn’t be a problem. He’s already said he would love to play for a power club with a huge fan base (Collingwood). We tick that box and will have plenty of available coin.
West Coast is the issue. If they want three firsts and a second, ooroo.
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I wouldn't be paying 3 1sts and a 2nd.
If we get 2x top5 picks this year I'd consider those and a player but after an underwhelming performance this weekend I'd wanna see a heck of a lot more from him this year before offering even that.
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Reid could play like dogshyte all year but he'll still be an absolute gun and a generational player...anyone says otherwise is just coping... :shh
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He could well do a Horne Francis to West Coast but I personally don’t like that behaviour
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He owes them nothing - they didn't draft him out of the goodness of their hearts or after everyone else overlooked him, they had pick one and he was clearly the best player that every other club would've also picked, they also knew he was a Victorian going in, on top of all the talk that he wasn't overly keen on moving interstate and the contract length for first round draft picks is mandated by the AFL, so he had no real say in the matter anyway. :shh
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Need Melbourne to lift big time
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Unfortunately they look pretty good, Melbourne are average. Rely on few star players.
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And Whitlock had a big game for them in the 2s.
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Just makes trading the pick for Reid even more of a no-brainer. :shh
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Dees one flag….. during covid, locked up. :lol
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North look like they are capable of winning 8-10 games . Today’s win might be a turning point for them .
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North look like they are capable of winning 8-10 games . Today’s win might be a turning point for them .
I still have my doubts. Upsets are happening all over early this season, as is the case most seasons.
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Not a good day for the hate watch :thumbsdown
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Not a good day for the hate watch :thumbsdown
Deathriding threads almost always backfire. :shh
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North look like they are capable of winning 8-10 games . Today’s win might be a turning point for them .
I still have my doubts. Upsets are happening all over early this season, as is the case most seasons.
Yeah I reckon they're still bottom 4.
Just like us.
An early upset win means SFA.
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Need Saints, Adelaide, Pies, Dogs and Bombers to win as much as possible.
Eagles and us will be bottom 2. Be wonderful if Roos were 3rd last.
Not the end of the world of we lose this weekend.
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Norf lost which is good for us but they are admittedly better than previous years. They'll win at least 8 games this year given their draw and finish above us, Eagles, Melb, Ess, Carl and possibly Port on current form. That will still give us another top 10 pick.
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Norf lost which is good for us but they are admittedly better than previous years. They'll win at least 8 games this year given their draw and finish above us, Eagles, Melb, Ess, Carl and possibly Port on current form. That will still give us another top 10 pick.
Not sure they'll win 8 myself. Hoping for a bottom 4 finish and we end up with say picks 1 & 5 but if there's FA compo that 5 could end up a few later. Definitely going to be a top 10 though you'd think.
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11 goal loss :cheers
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Norf flogged by 52 pts by the Suns :thumbsup.
If the Bombers beat the Dees tonight, then Norf's pick will be sitting at pick 4.
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Let's go Bumbers!!
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Eagles look real bad, must be favs for the spoon. If Allen leaves in F&A that’s pick 1&2. If I were them and a team like the bombers were offering 2 top 10 picks for Reid, you’d take that considering it looks like he doesn’t wanna be there anyway. 4 top10 picks in the last uncompromised draft would be just what the doctor ordered for them.
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Eagles look real bad, must be favs for the spoon. If Allen leaves in F&A that’s pick 1&2. If I were them and a team like the bombers were offering 2 top 10 picks for Reid, you’d take that considering it looks like he doesn’t wanna be there anyway. 4 top10 picks in the last uncompromised draft would be just what the doctor ordered for them.
How is Allen worth a pick 2 highway robbery
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Eagles look real bad, must be favs for the spoon. If Allen leaves in F&A that’s pick 1&2. If I were them and a team like the bombers were offering 2 top 10 picks for Reid, you’d take that considering it looks like he doesn’t wanna be there anyway. 4 top10 picks in the last uncompromised draft would be just what the doctor ordered for them.
How is Allen worth a pick 2 highway robbery
Sadly that’s how FA works in the AFL.
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On current ladder, and assuming Allen leaves and the Don's trade two firsts for Reid, the Eagles have pick 1, 2, 3 and 5, we have 4 and 6.
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Current draft order not including any potential trades/FA:
1. West Coast
2. Essendon (linked to Melb)
3. Richmond
4. Richmond (linked to Norf)
5. Gold Coast (linked to Port)
6. Hawthorn (linked to Carl)
7. Essendon
8. Fremantle
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Melbournes draw opens up, play us twice for example.I'd be shocked they finish below us, would love them to finish above Norf.
Would love pick 2 and 3, which may be pick 3 and 4 with Allen F/A.
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Melbournes draw opens up, play us twice for example.I'd be shocked they finish below us, would love them to finish below Norf.
Would love pick 2 and 3, which may be pick 3 and 4 with Allen F/A.
They got smashed by north and beaten comfortably by bombers. Dees are real bad, bombers striking gold with the trade last year having dees 1st pick.
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Eagles look real bad, must be favs for the spoon. If Allen leaves in F&A that’s pick 1&2. If I were them and a team like the bombers were offering 2 top 10 picks for Reid, you’d take that considering it looks like he doesn’t wanna be there anyway. 4 top10 picks in the last uncompromised draft would be just what the doctor ordered for them.
Apparently, the Eagles are also asking the AFL for a priority pick.
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"If you're gonna go and bring players like Liam Baker into your football club with a first-round pick ... you can't then turn around when it hasn't worked and put your hand out and say 'we want another pick please'."
- Nick Riewoldt on West Coast wanting a priority pick 👉
https://x.com/7AFL/status/1911720029667876912
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Agreed with Riewoldt.
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Agreed with Riewoldt.
x 2
Karma bus has parked itself outside Eagles HQ. Wonder if a coupe of their newest recruits want to get off. ;D
Eagles gave way the farm to get Tim Kelly and they've done it ever since. They don't deserve any priority picks
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They can always trade HR to Dons and get 3 first round picks.
If Allen leaves via FA that'll be 4.
The rest is up to them as a club not to stuff it up.
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Spot on 💯 they made their own bed now get out of it.
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They can always trade HR to Dons and get 3 first round picks.
If Allen leaves via FA that'll be 4.
The rest is up to them as a club not to stuff it up.
they will likely to do this as one of them is the dees first pick which may impact us unfortuantely.
they could end up with 1, 2 and 3
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They can always trade HR to Dons and get 3 first round picks.
If Allen leaves via FA that'll be 4.
The rest is up to them as a club not to stuff it up.
they will likely to do this as one of them is the dees first pick which may impact us unfortuantely.
they could end up with 1, 2 and 3
True indeed, but I'd much rather be in our shoes than their's or the Dees'.
Weagles are almost a certainty for that spoon and Dees are one of the worst performing sides along with Carlton given their list.
Wonder how long it will take before Mini is under pressure. I bet they sacrifice him.
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Guessing Dilldo won't tell WC to suck it up and that they should've managed their list better like Vlad told us when GC & GWS entered the comp. :shh
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Roos 50 down at 3/4 time :cheers
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Yeah they are still bad, not worse than the eagles or us but looks like they’ll comfortably finish bottom 4 again.
Just need the dees to get their poo together so kangas can slide down to 16th.
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Play the kids Anzac Eve.
I can see us beating North
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Yeah they are still bad, not worse than the eagles or us but looks like they’ll comfortably finish bottom 4 again.
Just need the dees to get their poo together so kangas can slide down to 16th.
85 down now, if they're better, it's only marginally.
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Yeah they are still bad, not worse than the eagles or us but looks like they’ll comfortably finish bottom 4 again.
Just need the dees to get their poo together so kangas can slide down to 16th.
85 down now, if they're better, it's only marginally.
Their defence is their weakest line by far. A team with a decent fwd line will always be able to get goals. Unfortunately our forward line consists of Lynch and a bunch of kids so don’t think we’ll trouble them too much.
Even so I’m all for it, absolute dream scenario is kangas for the spoon and us 17th but think the eagles will take some beating for that which with Allen looking likely to leave will unfortunately mean they have picks 1&2.
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Don't care about where we finish or how many games we win. If we win games though it has to be with as many kids playing as possible.
No more Short Dow, McIntosh and a few others.
Win with this side or a close variation of it when all are fit and while waiting to get em all fit build toward it.
Vlastuin - Balta - Trainor
Brown - Gibcus/Gray - Smith. Gray while Gibcus is out. Smith is only one of about three who has the attributes for the D Rioli gig imo.
Campbell - Taranto - Clarke. We need pace and ball use on the wings desperately. HRS/Banks until Clarke is ready Seth a no brainer imo.
Nankervis - Smillie - McAuliffe. Rest Toby play Ryan if we want to see how he is travelling. Can't play both imo.
Algar - Faull - Hotton. Oh look lively classy small forwards who can rotate midfield if need be.. Faull looks like he can handle the level Physically.
Mansell - Lynch - Sims/Armstrong/Fawcett. Just rotate young talls thru this role. Tom and Nigel provide experience and toughness.
Lalor - Hopper - Broad - Prestia - Lefau. Bench is full of experience and can be thrown into areas where we struggle. Sam Lalor by seasons end hopefully is a starting mid.
Call me crazy i think there is enough experience spread thru that team with seniors on the bench,
Imo it is the team with the most potential going forward and they fit into roles suited to them.
It at least endeavors to address serious team shortcomings as well.
We are missing a trick by not aiming for something like this team. We are missing a trick by not trying younger blokes in midfield roles.
Pick players with the right attributes for the roles we want them to play.
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Good work Dees
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Don't care about where we finish or how many games we win. If we win games though it has to be with as many kids playing as possible.
No more Short Dow, McIntosh and a few others.
Win with this side or a close variation of it when all are fit and while waiting to get em all fit build toward it.
Vlastuin - Balta - Trainor
Brown - Gibcus/Gray - Smith. Gray while Gibcus is out. Smith is only one of about three who has the attributes for the D Rioli gig imo.
Campbell - Taranto - Clarke. We need pace and ball use on the wings desperately. HRS/Banks until Clarke is ready Seth a no brainer imo.
Nankervis - Smillie - McAuliffe. Rest Toby play Ryan if we want to see how he is travelling. Can't play both imo.
Algar - Faull - Hotton. Oh look lively classy small forwards who can rotate midfield if need be.. Faull looks like he can handle the level Physically.
Mansell - Lynch - Sims/Armstrong/Fawcett. Just rotate young talls thru this role. Tom and Nigel provide experience and toughness.
Lalor - Hopper - Broad - Prestia - Lefau. Bench is full of experience and can be thrown into areas where we struggle. Sam Lalor by seasons end hopefully is a starting mid.
Call me crazy i think there is enough experience spread thru that team with seniors on the bench,
Imo it is the team with the most potential going forward and they fit into roles suited to them.
It at least endeavors to address serious team shortcomings as well.
We are missing a trick by not aiming for something like this team. We are missing a trick by not trying younger blokes in midfield roles.
Pick players with the right attributes for the roles we want them to play.
Great post… nailed it
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Although I rarely read all of those long clawski posts I have to agree mate
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Since North Melbourne have started their rebuild, Richmond have won 3 flags, started a rebuild, and already progressed further through their rebuild than North. On top of this, they have our first round pick for this season. We are an absolute stuffing disgrace.
https://x.com/BazNMFC/status/1913569821163393339
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Since North Melbourne have started their rebuild, Richmond have won 3 flags, started a rebuild, and already progressed further through their rebuild than North. On top of this, they have our first round pick for this season. We are an absolute stuffing disgrace.
https://x.com/BazNMFC/status/1913569821163393339
Haha.
Funny because it appears to be true.
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The same bloke said that “they will beat Carlton bookmark it” 4 days prior
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There is a silver lining if we lose to the Dees on Thursday.
We will hold picks 2 and 3 in the draft.
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There is a silver lining if we lose to the Dees on Thursday.
We will hold picks 2 and 3 in the draft.
3&4 after the AFL give the Cokeheads pick 2 as compo for Allen.
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I think the win last night draws a line under what we can do. We play the 3 teams currently below us on the ladder over the next month before we hit dreamtime
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Talking Pts
Ben Waterworth, Catherine Healey, Will Faulkner and Tyler Lewis
Fox Sports
April 21st, 2025
But there’s a ... 2024 trade involving a future pick to track closely this year.
And, as it stands, Richmond is in Position A … after a bonkers draft haul late last year.
Just over 24 hours after North Melbourne’s horror 82-point Good Friday loss to Carlton, Richmond pulled off a massive boilover, hanging on to hand Gold Coast its first loss of the season in a thrilling 11-point win.
Five months earlier, the two clubs completed a blockbuster live trade on night one of the 2024 national draft. The Kangaroos secured the final selection of the first round of the draft (Pick 27), along with a future second-round pick from the Tigers, who received North’s 2025 first-round selection in return.
After Round 6, the Kangaroos sit 16th on the ladder with a 1-5 record – a spot ahead of Richmond (sic - they're a spot behind us).
It means the Tigers, currently, hold Picks 3 and 4.
That Roos future first-rounder had been on the table for some time prior to the Tigers trade, with the Roos asking several rivals whether they would be willing to trade out of the 2024 draft.
When Richmond agreed to a trade, Murray Bushrangers key-position player Matt Whitlock was the player North Melbourne eventually landed at Pick 27. And the versatile and talented Whitlock, no doubt, has all the makings of an exciting AFL player in the future.
But after the weekend’s results – which saw the Kangaroos drop their fourth straight game by at least six goals – the short-term optics on the trade aren’t ideal, considering how patient North Melbourne fans have had to be.
Meanwhile, the Tigers are six games in to one of the most ruthless and aggressive rebuilds we’ve seen in recent times – and they’ve already notched two shock wins over Carlton and the Suns.
“There’s no timeline. No one says ‘you can’t win at this stage of their journey’. But I marvel at what this club has been able to do,” King said of Richmond.
“We’ve seen clubs stuck in rebuilds for eight to 10 years and not have opportunities to perform like this.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2025-round-6-talking-points-afl-analysis-and-reaction-north-melbourne-trade-for-matt-whitlock-oscar-allen-dropped-collingwood-flag-favourites-kysaiah-pickett-fremantle/news-story/e7474ec5768d1db66c8f42584389cc32
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"It's one of the more bizarre trade outs that I've seen." - Matthew Lloyd
With the club currently in 16th, will North regret moving on their first round pick at this year's draft?
#9FootyClassified
VIDEO: https://x.com/FootyonNine/status/1914287751261757902
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Imagine how hard Richmond fans are laughing at us now. We used to own them 10 years ago. 😕 😞
https://x.com/SimonJediLeon/status/1914291319473885688
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Thanks Norf :lol
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Norf 1-6 ;D.
We currently hold both picks 2 & 3.
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Port did their level best to make it 2-5. :shh
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It was a perfect outcome.
Allows norf to think they are on track again, avoid media scrutiny and then get exposed for their limitations in the next few months
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LOL lost by 3 pts :lol
Norf now 1-7 ;D
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Wonderful wonderful
Lions next week. 1-8
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Hahaha
Geez Darling looks so absolutely finito it's embarrassing. 2 year deal they gave him?
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Hahaha
Geez Darling looks so absolutely finito it's embarrassing. 2 year deal they gave him?
Darling
Parker
The Hobbit
Great recruiting lol
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They are looking better the past two weeks.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they click soon . You can’t be this bad for this long .
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Hahaha
Geez Darling looks so absolutely finito it's embarrassing. 2 year deal they gave him?
Darling
Parker
The Hobbit
Great recruiting lol
Logue
Corr
CCJ
Biggy
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Hahaha
Geez Darling looks so absolutely finito it's embarrassing. 2 year deal they gave him?
Darling
Parker
The Hobbit
Great recruiting lol
Logue
Corr
CCJ
Biggy
This off-season was really bad
Darling and Parker are 32yo
They were picked up because North thought they were going to improve significantly
The trade with us is further proof of that thinking
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Parker’s been alright for them. An experienced big body to throw into midfield to help the young core.
Darling hasn’t been good. I can understand the thinking as otherwise every teams throwing 2-3 defenders at larkey.
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Parker’s been alright for them. An experienced big body to throw into midfield to help the young core.
Darling hasn’t been good. I can understand the thinking as otherwise every teams throwing 2-3 defenders at larkey.
Agree on Parker tbh.
And can agree on the 'thinking' of Darling but gee the optics on it are ordinary atm.
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Parker’s been alright for them. An experienced big body to throw into midfield to help the young core.
Darling hasn’t been good. I can understand the thinking as otherwise every teams throwing 2-3 defenders at larkey.
Agree on Parker tbh.
And can agree on the 'thinking' of Darling but gee the optics on it are ordinary atm.
Would you like us getting three mature blokes in ?
They are rebuilding
It’s obvious they thought they were ready to go up the ladder and potentially fall into the 7-10 range … dreaming
It’s like when we picked up Hudson
I like Parker and he tries super hard. But a waste of time for where they’re at. Could just imagine the reaction if we picked up a 32yo this off season.
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Parker’s been alright for them. An experienced big body to throw into midfield to help the young core.
Darling hasn’t been good. I can understand the thinking as otherwise every teams throwing 2-3 defenders at larkey.
Agree on Parker tbh.
And can agree on the 'thinking' of Darling but gee the optics on it are ordinary atm.
Would you like us getting three mature blokes in ?
They are rebuilding
It’s obvious they thought they were ready to go up the ladder and potentially fall into the 7-10 range … dreaming
It’s like when we picked up Hudson
I like Parker and he tries super hard. But a waste of time for where they’re at. Could just imagine the reaction if we picked up a 32yo this off season.
Heard we're into Zorko. :shh
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Parker’s been alright for them. An experienced big body to throw into midfield to help the young core.
Darling hasn’t been good. I can understand the thinking as otherwise every teams throwing 2-3 defenders at larkey.
Agree on Parker tbh.
And can agree on the 'thinking' of Darling but gee the optics on it are ordinary atm.
Would you like us getting three mature blokes in ?
They are rebuilding
It’s obvious they thought they were ready to go up the ladder and potentially fall into the 7-10 range … dreaming
It’s like when we picked up Hudson
I like Parker and he tries super hard. But a waste of time for where they’re at. Could just imagine the reaction if we picked up a 32yo this off season.
We already have our mature players lingering from our premiership team + TT and Hopper so we don’t really need to. That may change depending on what happens with Lynch at the end of the season because our kpf after him have an avg age of 19 and like 10 games between them lol.
Agree that they thought they’d improve but I don’t think even the most optimistic person would have thought they’d get into the 8, maybe somewhere around 12th at best which is why I thought we made out like bandits in that trade. Turns out and fingers crossed it stays this way that we hit the jackpot with it.
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In 2-3 years we’re going to lose Lynch, Meatie, Broad, Kmac, Nank and probably Flossy so in reality there’s going to be a mature age top up. How that happens remains to be seen but gun free agency is my model
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They need a miracle to finish out of the bottom three
Even if they do , will only by bottom four you would think
Thanks Nought .. great trade
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Let’s not jinx it now.
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West Coast last
Us and nought bottom three
Order depends on next week you would think ??
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Bloody lions!
Then finishing 1 spot above us means nothing as long as we’re not in the spoon position.
In saying that beating them next week will go a long way to ensuring they finish bottom 3/4.
Call me a pessimist but I rekn they’ll beat us.
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West Coast last
Us and nought bottom three
Order depends on next week you would think ??
Sounds about right to me.
If Allen stays and they don't get a PP we'll have 2+3, worst case probably 4+5.
I'll ask the question again - if Reid wants out would you trade our two picks for him?
We could try to get one of their picks back for Kellaway like p34 or p56 for example depending on how Kellaway's trajectory goes.
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Reid looked great today but I’d be reluctant to give up 2 x top 5 (potentially 2 x top 3) picks for anyone.
I’d consider giving up 1 of them (the latter of the 2) and our 2026 first rounder given it will slide with all of Tassies concessions but I rekn WCE knock that back as he still has 1 more year to run on his contract anyway.
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Wait do Tassie strt drafting 2026 or 2027?
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West Coast last
Us and nought bottom three
Order depends on next week you would think ??
Sounds about right to me.
If Allen stays and they don't get a PP we'll have 2+3, worst case probably 4+5.
I'll ask the question again - if Reid wants out would you trade our two picks for him?
We could try to get one of their picks back for Kellaway like p34 or p56 for example depending on how Kellaway's trajectory goes.
Instantly
With an 8-10yr front loaded deal he can’t refuse
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West Coast last
Us and nought bottom three
Order depends on next week you would think ??
Sounds about right to me.
If Allen stays and they don't get a PP we'll have 2+3, worst case probably 4+5.
I'll ask the question again - if Reid wants out would you trade our two picks for him?
We could try to get one of their picks back for Kellaway like p34 or p56 for example depending on how Kellaway's trajectory goes.
Instantly
With an 8-10yr front loaded deal he can’t refuse
Thanks. I would too especially if we get a pick back that we can use to secure Kellaway.
Reid, Lalor, Smillie, Hotton, McAuliffe, Taranto, Hopper for mids and we're good for a long time.
Forward line of Faull, Armstrong, Lefau ruck relief.
Got smalls in Campbell, Mansell, Green, Alger, MRJ some work to do there maybe we get Raso.
Maybe Sims ruck if he can play primary.
Backline Balta, Brown, Gibcus maybe, Miller/Blight/Gray
Plenty to work with there.
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That’s a hell of a price to pay. Both excites me and terrifies me lol
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Norf have fallen away in the second half and especially the last quarter against the Pies. Seems last week's high contest game took energy out of both of us.
Anyway, another loss for the Roos which currently keeps us with both picks 2 & 3.
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So who do we want to win today? Obviously north losing puts them only half a game off bottom but it also puts it right back in the spoon race too.
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We want the eagles to win a couple more games so that Norf gives us P1 and we can take our own P2-3.
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So who do we want to win today? Obviously north losing puts them only half a game off bottom but it also puts it right back in the spoon race too.
If Norf lose, then we stay in the running for two top 3 picks. First pick in the draft is looking more like being Dyson Sharp. However, the Eagles today seem to have gone to the same goalkicking school as us.
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I agree but I really don’t want to win the spoon.
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Norf kicked the last 4 goals of the game to win by 10 pts. Eagles were up by 18 pts 10 mins into the last but then didn't score anything.
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As long as we finish within one spot of Norf it doesn't really matter in which order it is. :shh
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As long as we finish within one spot of Norf it doesn't really matter in which order it is. :shh
Yay for mediocrity and low standards!
Not even remotely the same thing. Dumb analogy. :propeller
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As long as we finish within one spot of Norf it doesn't really matter in which order it is. :shh
Yup! Would just be funnier to finish above them and own their pick lol
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We wanted west coke to win
Pretty simple
Imagine Nort finishing last and us having the number one pick
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Norf are not going to finish last and never were going to. :shh
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Norf are not going to finish last and never were going to. :shh
Our best hope is that they finish 16th which would still be a ridiculously great result from the trade.
Just need the 11th-15th placed teams to snag another couple of wins and we should be sweet.
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Norf are not going to finish last and never were going to. :shh
Our best hope is that they finish 16th which would still be a ridiculously great result from the trade.
Just need the 11th-15th placed teams to snag another couple of wins and we should be sweet.
And Allen to extend with Coke heads.
And no priority picks.
2+3 to Cokes for Harley and a 3rd rounder for Kellaway.
Get it done tigers.
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I think the bottom 4 are set and we finish either 16th or 15th and North 17th.
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I think the bottom 4 are set and we finish either 16th or 15th and North 17th.
Who is the fourth team
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I’m going with the bottom 3 myself !
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Honestly, I can't see us winning another game. We should finish 17th or 18th but can't see Eagles winning many.
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At this point of the season there are clearly 3 bottom teams - both in win/loss and also %.
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Very close call tonight but another loss for the Roos :cheers
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Very close call tonight but another loss for the Roos :cheers
Selling their home games probably did us a favour. They might have got up tonight if it had been played in Melbourne.
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Pick #3s in danger now.
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Useless Scum never win when you actually want them too. :banghead
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Useless Scum never win when you actually want them too. :banghead
A wise old man once told me “never rely on a poo team”
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Reality check today for the Roos ;D.
Anybody can beat Carlton ;).
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They play the dees in 2 weeks. Big game for our pick.
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Looked good for 2.5 qtrs but another 10 goal loss to the kangas.
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Looked good for 2.5 qtrs but another 10 goal loss to the kangas.
And LDU copped a concussion
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Thanks Doggies!
Mind you Norf have improved despite their last two losses against top 8 sides. They have Melbourne, Sydney, St Kilda & us on the run home. They could arguably win at least three of those :-\.
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Thanks Doggies!
Mind you Norf have improved despite their last two losses against top 8 sides. They have Melbourne, Sydney, St Kilda & us on the run home. They could arguably win at least three of those :-\.
Improved a lot
They probably expected this form all year when they traded us their first pick
Bad luck for them , fantastic for us
But you are correct , there is wins coming for them
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So really we just need to throw the damned sink at them ourselves
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The danger for us is that they could get on a roll .
Teams above put the cue in the rack
And the kangas finish a meaningless 11th
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Good work Dees
Now time to cheer on the Aints
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A bonus for us. I thought Norf would beat the Dees today. And they've now got Sydney away & Geelong in the next two weeks. Lose both of those and it's hard to see them getting any more than 6 wins. They play St Kilda after Geelong which will decide if Norf finish in the bottom 3 or not.
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A bonus for us. I thought Norf would beat the Dees today. And they've now got Sydney away & Geelong in the next two weeks. Lose both of those and it's hard to see them getting any more than 6 wins. They play St Kilda after Geelong which will decide if Norf finish in the bottom 3 or not.
Not if the Saints win today
And let’s not forget there is a slight chance they finish second last
Apparently the side below them still has to play the Eagles as well as North and the Aints
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I don’t think we will be taking two top 5 picks to the draft anyway. Would expect to see one traded for future 1st or similar.
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A bonus for us. I thought Norf would beat the Dees today. And they've now got Sydney away & Geelong in the next two weeks. Lose both of those and it's hard to see them getting any more than 6 wins. They play St Kilda after Geelong which will decide if Norf finish in the bottom 3 or not.
Not if the Saints win today
And let’s not forget there is a slight chance they finish second last
Apparently the side below them still has to play the Eagles as well as North and the Aints
I was thinking worse case scenario for us (Norf beating us and Saints). The Saints, even if they knock over the Swans today, would still need to win another game if they lose to Norf to stay above them on the ladder.
Mind you things have got worse for Norf. I didn't see their match, but they'll likely lose Xerri for 3 weeks for this high whack. Knocked out Sparrow with a swinging arm. That would be a massive out for the Roos.
Vision of Xerri whacking Sparrow: https://x.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1944272486486438189
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See Jy Simpkin in that footage
He’s the captain isn’t he?
Would really want him backing you up when the going got tough :lol :lol :lol
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I don’t think we will be taking two top 5 picks to the draft anyway. Would expect to see one traded for future 1st or similar.
Why would we swap one (say pick 3) and with which club? I always presumed we would target ballwinning mids in this year's draft (two top 5 picks plus F/S Kellaway).
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I don’t think we will be taking two top 5 picks to the draft anyway. Would expect to see one traded for future 1st or similar.
Why would we swap one (say pick 3) and with which club? I always presumed we would target ballwinning mids in this year's draft (two top 5 picks plus F/S Kellaway).
Because it’s a fairly weak draft. I know there’s narratives every year, but this year is significantly weaker than last.
Fair question which team would want to trade into the top 5.. rumours Sydney would. Maybe other teams missing a 1st rd pick this year like Carlton. Personally I’d rather keep one, trade one and get another 1st round selection in the future.
Won’t be the end of the world if we keep the pick, I think if we don’t get sharp we pretty much have to go Duursma, high risk high reward pick. Then maybe Grlj and kellaway.
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Sam Cumming could be a bolter. BOG in sanfl
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Almost a perfect weekend.
We won
Blues lost
Pies lost
Cats lost
Hawks lost
Kangas lost (to the dees which means they have a 6 point buffer on them)
If only the saints could have gotten over the line against the swans. Think we only really need to worry about saints and bombers sliding below north.
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Saints will beat us, Dons and North I reckon. Dons are only worry finishing below North.
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North only have 2 more winnable games
Saints at Marvel
Tigers at Hobart .
Carlton / Melbourne/ st Kilda all play each other.
I think the status quo will remain and North will finish bottom 3 .
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North only have 2 more winnable games
Saints at Marvel
Tigers at Hobart .
Carlton / Melbourne/ st Kilda all play each other.
I think the status quo will remain and North will finish bottom 3 .
bombers :shh
they may finish 4th last and our north pick ends up being close to 7.
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Big second half coming up
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It’s over now :thumbsup
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Norths remaining games:
Geelong (Marvel)
St Kilda (Marvel)
Giants (Canberra)
Richmond (Hobart)
Adelaide (Marvel)
So 2 more winnable games against the saints and us.
If the saints can get the job done against them, they’ll be stuck at 16-17th you’d think.
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:thumbsup
As long as there's no upsets against those three top 8 sides, Norf are now almost guaranteed to finish bottom 4.
And if we win tonight, we'll jump above them on the ladder :o.
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It’s hard to imagine them finishing any higher than 15th. Pick 4 for picks 19 and 27 is an absolute steal.
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If North lose to the Saints its bottom three for them
Go Saints
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Down to 17th for the kangas :cheers
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Down to 17th for the kangas :cheers
If we can win against them they can stay there lol
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Down to 17th for the kangas :cheers
If we can win against them they can stay there lol
Double the motivation ;D.
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Down to 17th for the kangas :cheers
If we can win against them they can stay there lol
Double the motivation ;D.
Yes but now we also need the saints to win a couple of games or they may just slide below both north and us.
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it would be very nice if the useless saints can beat the dees next week.
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Down to 17th for the kangas :cheers
If we can win against them they can stay there lol
Double the motivation ;D.
Yes but now we also need the saints to win a couple of games or they may just slide below both north and us.
We play them later in the year.
I've seen enough of the kids to be pleased about the future.
Content for the club to just throw the game and not risk sliding down the draft order tbbh.
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it would be very nice if the useless saints can beat the dees next week.
Well they're saying May has gone straight to the tribunal so that's 3+ weeks which won't help their cause.
I think it's absurd, but oh well...
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Good news Andy. Not that the saints have anything that resembles a forward line.
I'm happy to not win another game. They are meaningless wins from now on, if we lose our spot.
We will beat the saints at the g. They are so bad.
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I’ll take 1 more win over north and that’ll do me.
Saints to beat both north and us.
Final ladder positions:
13th - Melbourne - 32 points
14th - Saints - 32 points
15th - Essendon - 24 points
16th - Richmond - 24 points
17th - North - 18 points
18th - Eagles - 4 points
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I’ll take 1 more win over north and that’ll do me.
Saints to beat both north and us.
Final ladder positions:
13th - Melbourne - 32 points
14th - Saints - 32 points
15th - Essendon - 24 points
16th - Richmond - 24 points
17th - North - 18 points
18th - Eagles - 4 points
Perfect
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Good news Andy. Not that the saints have anything that resembles a forward line.
I'm happy to not win another game. They are meaningless wins from now on, if we lose our spot.
We will beat the saints at the g. They are so bad.
I am of the view we need wins. Let’s avoid the loser culture of lolnorf, Carlton and even the dees of a few years ago. Losing has become so ingrained in them, they cannot break it. We have a heap of good young talent and I will take a couple of wins over pick 2 or 3 to build that winning culture back up again. It will also encourage free agent talent to sign with us.
Look at lolnorf vs the hawks. Hawks licked the fa cream because they bounced quickly. Lolnorf as a basket case
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Good news Andy. Not that the saints have anything that resembles a forward line.
I'm happy to not win another game. They are meaningless wins from now on, if we lose our spot.
We will beat the saints at the g. They are so bad.
I am of the view we need wins. Let’s avoid the loser culture of lolnorf, Carlton and even the dees of a few years ago. Losing has become so ingrained in them, they cannot break it. We have a heap of good young talent and I will take a couple of wins over pick 2 or 3 to build that winning culture back up again. It will also encourage free agent talent to sign with us.
Look at lolnorf vs the hawks. Hawks licked the fa cream because they bounced quickly. Lolnorf as a basket case
We've won 5 already.
Not saying we shouldn't win more.
But genuinely I don't see the point in hurting our draft hand.
Kids are getting games. That's the priority.
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This trade is looking like an all time shocker for North. The draft isn’t as strong but still, they clearly thought they would finish higher than bottom 3.
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Good news Andy. Not that the saints have anything that resembles a forward line.
I'm happy to not win another game. They are meaningless wins from now on, if we lose our spot.
We will beat the saints at the g. They are so bad.
I am of the view we need wins. Let’s avoid the loser culture of lolnorf, Carlton and even the dees of a few years ago. Losing has become so ingrained in them, they cannot break it. We have a heap of good young talent and I will take a couple of wins over pick 2 or 3 to build that winning culture back up again. It will also encourage free agent talent to sign with us.
Look at lolnorf vs the hawks. Hawks licked the fa cream because they bounced quickly. Lolnorf as a basket case
We've won 5 already.
Not saying we shouldn't win more.
But genuinely I don't see the point in hurting our draft hand.
Kids are getting games. That's the priority.
agree. Not saying we should strive to lose, just that it can benefit us if we fall short.
its a pass already with those who we managed to get games into.
hopefully saints and bombers win a few then it wont matter how many we win.
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I guess their percentage proves they’re still ahead of us - but gee it’s funny we sit ahead of them on the ladder .
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Looks like Coleman Jones is at huge risk of being delisted at seasons end.
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Looks like Coleman Jones is at huge risk of being delisted at seasons end.
Should be a monty mate. His career has floundered big time.
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Melbourne favorites this week v saints.
Huge game very handy if saints could win the next couple.
Assume they tank however sadly
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Melbourne favorites this week v saints.
Huge game very handy if saints could win the next couple.
Assume they tank however sadly
They copped a bit of a whack in the HUN today, hopefully that fires them up.
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Norf down by 9 goals at half-time ;D.
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Norf down by 9 goals at half-time ;D.
They look disinterested
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Big week next week for this thread. Need saints to come to play.
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Big week next week for this thread. Need saints to come to play.
Very nervous about next week.
Wardlaw and larkey will play too
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106 down at 3/4 time. Cameron might kick 15.
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106 down at 3/4 time. Cameron might kick 15.
Norf 'won' the last quarter. Only lost by 101 :lol.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzU1MK-5L9LqevlbdUmPWGfwsQrMQcuazp-g&usqp=CAU)
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Lots of North fans leaving at half time.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/north-versing-the-handbag-wielding-cats-at-marvel-7-35pm-aest.1398995/page-30#post-88882522
Both of them :yep
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Saints and North going to get roasted all week in the media.
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Saints and North going to get roasted all week in the media.
Disregard lol
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Saints and North going to get roasted all week in the media.
sainters coming through for us :bow
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Saints came back from 46 points down at 3/4 time to win :o.
Norf now 1.5 games behind.
Thank you very much :thumbsup
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:cheers :bow :cheers :bow
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Saints came back from 46 points down at 3/4 time to win :o.
Norf now 1.5 games behind.
Thank you very much :thumbsup
:shh
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Saints have kangas, us and bombers as 3 of their last 4 games. They shouldn’t factor in bottom 3 convo anymore.
Dees have the eagles next week so should atleast get 1 more win which should be enough to finish above 16th.
Really the only threat imo is the bombers who I don’t think win another game this season. Luckily they already have a 1.5 win gap on north which hopefully is enough.
Just need either us or saints or both to beat north and that will be that.
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AFL.com.au's predicted ladder
1. Adelaide
2. Collingwood
3. Geelong
4. Gold Coast
5. Brisbane
6. Fremantle
7. Greater Western Sydney
8. Western Bulldogs
9. Hawthorn
10. Sydney
11. Carlton
12. St Kilda
13. Port Adelaide
14. Melbourne
15. Essendon
16. Richmond
17. North Melbourne
18. West Coast
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1376646/ladder-predictor-brisbane-lions-to-fall-out-of-top-four-will-hawthorn-hawks-make-it
I'm guessing from this they are tipping us to beat Norf in Round 23.
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16. Richmond
17. North Melbourne
I'm guessing from this they are tipping us to beat Norf in Round 23.
Perfect way to finish the season IMO.
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We have 2 more winnable games. On our current form we beat north and saints.
We know form fluctuates violently though
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We have 2 more winnable games. On our current form we beat north and saints.
We know form fluctuates violently though
Dunno man, Saints looked pretty good in that last quarter
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We have 2 more winnable games. On our current form we beat north and saints.
We know form fluctuates violently though
Dunno man, Saints looked pretty good in that last quarter
Saints always put a beating on us too. We don’t get close for whatever reason.
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Looked good in 1 quarter and deplorable in the other 3, bit like us in some games. Even match up
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We have 2 more winnable games. On our current form we beat north and saints.
We know form fluctuates violently though
Dunno man, Saints looked pretty good in that last quarter
Saints always put a beating on us too. We don’t get close for whatever reason.
Weren’t we up until late in the 3rd vs them last year?
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We have 2 more winnable games. On our current form we beat north and saints.
We know form fluctuates violently though
Dunno man, Saints looked pretty good in that last quarter
Saints always put a beating on us too. We don’t get close for whatever reason.
Weren’t we up until late in the 3rd vs them last year?
Yup but they’ve also won 6 of the last 7 against us by an avg of 40 points.
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Saints with the Skipper as the sub ffs
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Paul Curtis reported for this behind the play.
https://x.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1951860811145621829
Intentional and high. If it's classed as low impact then he only misses a week. If it's classed as medium then it's two weeks and he doesn't play against us.
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Oww yeah
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Oh when the Saints
beat the Roos
and hand us pick #2
Oh how l love to thank St Kilda
for Norf's pick #2.
:thumbsup
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We’re almost there guys. So long as the giants and crows don’t poo the bed.
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Wouldn’t be surprised if north beat us, that game will clearly be the decider.
Either way doesn’t really change anything, gives us a bit of pride though knowing its year 1 of the rebuild :shh
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We’re almost there guys. So long as the giants and crows don’t poo the bed.
Norf have to beat one of crows giants to finish outside bottom 3 :clapping
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Larkey out season
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Riley Hardeman (concussion)
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Wardlaw limping from the ground, ankle being strapped
Pretty ginger according to sideline reporter
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Norf lost by 9 goals to GWS ;D.
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Riley Hardeman (concussion)
Who?
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1 more L and we’ve done it. Hopefully it’s next week to us to really rub the salt in.
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Riley Hardeman (concussion)
Who?
Been important for them.
Will be a significant out.
You are clearly a death ride novice
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gx_NmH0aYAAr2iG?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://x.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1954506901070229955
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Imagine going 15-8 and missing out on finals. Eek
Their % is about 114 too, quite healthy.
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This AFL pick swap was part of North Melbourne’s grand plan. But now they’re on the verge of unwanted history
Marc McGowan
The Age
August 16, 2025
North Melbourne will suffer the ignominy of being the first VFL/AFL club since Fitzroy 57 years ago to finish in the bottom two for six seasons in a row if they lose to Richmond in Hobart on Sunday.
Avoiding that unwanted history provides the Kangaroos with extra motivation in a mostly meaningless round 23 contest between two clubs that will likely fill – in some order – the 16th and 17th ladder positions when the home-and-away season ends.
Adem Yze’s 16th-placed Tigers hold a two-point ladder lead over Alastair Clarkson’s North Melbourne, with only one-win West Coast below them.
The Roos bet on themselves to not still be treading water when they sent their 2025 first-round draft pick to Richmond for the Tigers’ No.27 selection last year and their second-rounder this year.
Richmond were happy to add the sweetener, given the 2025 draft is so compromised with academy, father-son and potential priority picks that the second-round choice probably won’t be until the late 20s.
North Melbourne dangled their future first-rounder as early as St Kilda’s pick eight – and “just kept going” until a rival club finally accepted, the club’s recruiting manager Will Thursfield said on draft night last year.
The Roos’ pre-draft plan was to trade back in for a key-position player, and that ended up being Murray Bushrangers swingman Matt Whitlock, whose twin Jack was drafted by Port Adelaide. North have recalled Whitlock for their date with the Tigers.
After prioritising midfielders in the early years of their rebuild, the Kangaroos spent top-30 picks on Whitlock and tall defender Wil Dawson in the past two drafts.
“You’d hope we’d improve quite a bit, given the cattle we’ve brought in and another year in these young kids, but it’s hard to say,” Thursfield said at the time. “We’ve got to back ourselves in a bit.”
It was the equivalent of Carlton’s trade with Adelaide seven years ago, when the Blues’ then-list manager, Stephen Silvagni, swapped future first-rounders with the Crows to get back into the 2018 draft at No.19 to select Liam Stocker.
Silvagni declared they viewed Stocker as the sixth-best player in the class. Stocker played 28 games in four seasons before Silvagni’s replacement as Carlton list boss, Nick Austin, delisted him at the end of 2022, only for the ex-Blue to join Silvagni at St Kilda.
It was a similar story with Thursfield, who said they felt Whitlock was “around the mark” of the top 10 in the 2024 draft, while noting many key-position players tumbled.
The Roos could limit the damage and leapfrog both the Tigers and Bombers into 15th place, if they win their final two matches of the season and other results go their way. But regardless, Richmond have done well out of the deal.
“There’s a risk with both those things,” Yze said this week.
“Whether Matt Whitlock ends up playing 250 games; it could [look] the other way. Right now, it looks like we might win out of that deal, but when you look at the Kangas – they would have felt that they’re going to [climb the ladder in 2025]. They’ve been in a lot of games this year, and they’re obviously improving.
“Those things happen every year, so you probably can’t look at the result of that until 10 years’ time.”
Why cohesion matters
Richmond have already won more games this season (five) than North Melbourne have in any season since they parted with 14 players – excluding Will Walker, who they redrafted – at the end of 2020.
Like the Kangaroos, the Tigers are rebuilding, and that went into overdrive last year when they made 10 list changes between delistings, retirements, free agency and trades. Yze is in his second year at Richmond since replacing triple-premiership coach Damien Hardwick.
This is all important when introducing Gain Line Analytics (GLA), a sports and corporate consultancy company that has developed a data-driven model that illustrates team performance is strongly linked to cohesion.
Company co-founder, and general manager of sport, Simon Strachan defines cohesion as “the objective measure of understanding between teammates”, which includes – but is not limited to – games played together; weekly team selection; and even coaching changes.
GLA, which consults many AFL clubs and has a strong association with rugby and rugby league teams as well, uses this data to develop team in-season cohesion markers, or scores.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/stats/CohesionStatGraph2025.png)
Strachan said GLA’s data showed that teams with a higher score in this metric tended to outperform rivals with lower levels.
“The AFL tends to have the longest build cycle of most professional sports,” he said.
“Which is why teams going through a rebuild phase take a long time to be truly competitive – and why if teams are not patient through a rebuild; they tend to be stuck in an ongoing recruiting cycle, never being able to develop competitive cohesion markers.”
Richmond’s cohesion score in round one was 5.12, compared to North Melbourne’s 6.37. The competition average at that stage was 9.13.
The Tigers have recorded a double-digit score in all their past eight games – peaking last week at 15.46, ahead of the competition average of 15.34. The Roos reached double digits for four straight games from rounds 13-16, but their score plummeted in the weeks since as injuries piled up.
Richmond’s season-high marker coincided with Tim Taranto and premiership stars Tom Lynch and Nathan Broad replacing first-year trio Jonty Faull, Luke Trainor and Tom Sims.
Strachan is concerned about North Melbourne’s rebuild, based on their cohesion markers, given they recorded higher scores under David Noble in 2021 than Clarkson this season. Four years ago, the Kangaroos started the season at 3.52, but their final 11 games ranged between 10.82 and 13.8.
Successful rebuilds that GLA tracked, such as reigning premiers Brisbane Lions and 2025 ladder-leaders Adelaide, showed consistent cohesion growth across several years.
The Crows and Roos finished second-last and last, respectively, in the COVID-19-shortened 2020 campaign, but GLA data demonstrates how Adelaide’s team in-season cohesion increased significantly as North’s stagnated in the years since.
“North Melbourne bringing in Alastair Clarkson has so far not created any significant difference to the club’s overall cohesion,” Strachan said.
“It is very difficult for a coach to get high levels of performance out of a low cohesion team.
“Even Clarkson in his last year at Hawthorn [in 2021] was working with a low cohesion environment – and the results reflected this. The greatest benefit of Clarkson for North Melbourne is not his coaching ability, but the confidence to give him time to build.”
Why Roos aren’t bounding up ladder
North Melbourne and West Coast are the only clubs to not record a single top-eight scalp in either of the past two seasons. Richmond, who came last in 2024, secured one in each of those years.
The Kangaroos drew with Brisbane in round nine, but this is a damning statistic for Clarkson and his Roos, who joined forces ahead of the 2023 season.
They have struggled to score as a team, with only one reliable goalkicker – star forward Nick Larkey – while ranking 15th or worse in average points in each of Clarkson’s three years at the helm.
Champion Data considers the two key scoring sources to be from turnovers and stoppages.
North have made little-to-no improvement in those areas under Clarkson. They were 17th in per-game differential for both in 2023, 18th in each last year, and currently are last in scores from turnover differential and 16th in the stoppage equivalent.
The Roos’ actual differentials have barely moved either.
The Tigers were 17th in those scoring sources last season, and remain on that ranking in scores from stoppages in 2025, but have improved to 15th in scores from turnover, while reducing their differential from minus-21 to minus-18.4.
Clarkson believes North Melbourne are making strides. His consistent line, which he repeated on Friday, is that they are in “a lot more games” this year.
The Kangaroos have played nine matches decided by 16 points or fewer, winning three of them, losing five and drawing another. In 2024, they featured in eight contests decided by 19 points or fewer, for three victories.
As for Richmond, Clarkson does not think Sunday’s result will be the best gauge of which club is rebuilding better.
“What really excites us is the sides like Adelaide and Brisbane Lions, who have been on the same journey as us,” Clarkson said. “Adelaide aren’t quite there yet, but they’re on top of the ladder and looking really good, [and] Brisbane took seven or eight years to get from the bottom to the top.
“We know what the formula is, but it’s a difficult track, and there’s no guarantee that you’re ever going to get there. What we can guarantee is we’re trying our best.
“Everyone will like to think that whoever wins this game is on track to get there a little bit quicker than the other, but it’s over a long journey rather than a short one.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/this-afl-pick-swap-was-part-of-north-melbourne-s-grand-plan-but-now-they-re-on-the-verge-of-unwanted-history-20250814-p5mmwf.html
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Rankine out v norf >:(
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Crows garbage
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Come on adaide ffs
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Crows stumble over the line.
North finish 16th.
:gotigers
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Thanks Norf for pick 3 :thumbsup
#LockedIn
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We did boys, pick 3 :bow
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