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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 05, 2025, 03:46:09 PM
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Richmond's VFL program could produce yet another AFL-ready talent in 2025, with small forward Massimo Raso emerging as a leading Mid-Season Draft prospect out of Punt Road.
https://www.zerohanger.com/another-vfl-tiger-in-the-top-flight-richmond-livewire-building-case-as-top-mid-season-draft-prospect-160384/
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Thought he looked good today from what I saw of the VFL game
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According to Foxsports, opposition clubs are looking to raid our VFL-listed players in the MSD.
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One aspect that is clear, though, is the strong interest in several players from Richmond’s VFL team, which has been a terrific breeding ground in recent times with the likes of Durham, Sam Davidson and James Trezise all plucked from there. The program’s ability to recruit players from all levels of footy, upskill them and get them ready for AFL level has earned the respect of the recruiting industry.
This year, VFL Tiger Tom McCarthy (189cm) is on the radar of multiple clubs after a strong start to his 2025 VFL campaign, averaging 22.1 disposals and 4.1 marks.
After playing predominantly as a midfielder last season, McCarthy has thrived across half-back this season, showing off his excellent kicking skills and power.
Also in the mix is teammate Sam Toner – a dangerous 184cm natural goalkicker with lots of tricks.
Toner has played predominantly as a wing for the Tigers’ VFL side, averaging 12.3 disposals from three games. But he showed his craft close to goal and impressed in both of the Young Guns’ recent games, booting 3.2 from 12 touches against Vic Metro before kicking 4.1 from 14 disposals and seven marks against Vic Country eight days later.
The 19-year-old this year has shown he’s more than just a last-line goalkicker, improving his work up the ground to give himself the best chance of a mid-season spot.
Tigers small forward Massimo Raso has also caught the eye of AFL clubs and will be strongly considered at the mid-season draft, despite receiving less hype in recent weeks. He looms as a classic ‘needs’ pick for a club seeking small forward depth.
A Western Jets product renowned for his speed and cleanliness at ground level, Raso has been a standout for the Tigers’ VFL side, booting a team-high 12 goals and averaging 14.5 disposals per outing.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-2025-midseason-draft-date-top-prospects-picks-order-list-rankings-cooper-hodge-william-darcy-western-bulldogs-tom-mccarthy-rod-ali-brayden-crossley/news-story/8546c81f711a529a15a9014e4e23e07a
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Dunno how they forget to mention Massimo too
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He’s right there at the bottom
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He’s right there at the bottom
.nah the D'Ambrosio one that Hawks got
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Tom McCarthy (189cm is a player we need in that half back role.
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Tom McCarthy (189cm is a player we need in that half back role.
Isn’t that just what tresize is? 188cm half back flanker.
We need blistering speed back there imo
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Raso or gtfo. :shh
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Raso or gtfo. :shh
Agree Dio
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Raso or gtfo. :shh
Agree Dio
Yeah well he can't be worse than MRJ, Mansell etc
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Big wraps on Tom Mcarthy
What is he like? Surely we can't stuff it up again like Davidson.
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Do we even have any spots?
Surely meatball retires...
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Raso please
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No spots atm. Prestia is actually progressing 1-3 weeks away according to last report. Guy deserves to go out on the field, keep him on the list and let him play it out.
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Do we even have any spots?
Surely meatball retires...
No spots
As TK Dion's on target to be back in 1-3 weeks
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Do we even have any spots?
Surely meatball retires...
No spots
As TK Dion's on target to be back in 1-3 weeks
Ridiculous & utterly selfish. :thumbsdown
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Not exactly like we need to take someone with another 2 top 5 selections in the draft
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Not exactly like we need to take someone with another 2 top 5 selections in the draft
No, but a good chance to secure a guy like Raso vs losing him to another club, at the expense of a player like Prestia who 99% won't be on the list next year.
Worth considering.
Or anyone else for LTI list.
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Prestia wtf is he thinking? well put gibcus to bed for the year.
It sounds crazy if we dont have a crack here.
exactly Andy.
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Prestia wtf is he thinking? well put gibcus to bed for the year.
It sounds crazy if we dont have a crack here.
exactly Andy.
Yep, our VFL team, which has developed several AFL standard players, is about to get raided again.
We have pick #3 and a chance to secure a decent player before they're snapped up by another club.
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I dunno, I’m not convinced Raso is afl quality.
Really our only hope is a retirement or someone goes on LTIL.
I’d rather gibcus get some games in this year than recruits a vfl player mid season
I’d rather Prestia retire IF he’s ready. If he can play out the season then he deserves to
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I dunno, I’m not convinced Raso is afl quality.
Really our only hope is a retirement or someone goes on LTIL.
I’d rather gibcus get some games in this year than recruits a vfl player mid season
I’d rather Prestia retire IF he’s ready. If he can play out the season then he deserves to
Do you think he can?
Who's spot would Prestia take out of the current mids?
Not saying he doesn't deserve it by any means but I really don't think it's a priority.
He's absolutely cooked and has played virtually no footy games for about 9 months?
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Gibcus is 10 weeks away and might play a few VFL games
Put him on ice
Let Prestia go out on his terms
That’s my two bobs worth
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Can’t we just cancel colinas contract. He’s surely on bare minimum, you’d only need to pay out half of it.
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Can’t we just cancel colinas contract. He’s surely on bare minimum, you’d only need to pay out half of it.
Category B
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Can’t we just cancel colinas contract. He’s surely on bare minimum, you’d only need to pay out half of it.
Category B
Yep so Colina can't play seniors and can only be replaced by another category B I believe.... so not an option
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Gibcus is 10 weeks away and might play a few VFL games
Put him on ice
Let Prestia go out on his terms
That’s my two bobs worth
Agreed. The hysteria over a mid season pick is bit over the top . Seriously guys, it’s not that big a deal
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Gibcus is 10 weeks away and might play a few VFL games
Put him on ice
Let Prestia go out on his terms
That’s my two bobs worth
Agreed. The hysteria over a mid season pick is bit over the top . Seriously guys, it’s not that big a deal
Jai Newcombe says hi.
Any chance to add talent to the list needs to be considered.
We have P3 if we make a spot and as I said earlier it looks like we will be losing some VFL players again.
I'm not sold on any of Mansell, MRJ or Green although I think Green has the most upside.
If Raso is showing potential we should try to sign him up.
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Can an AFL list player on LTI play VFL at season end? Ie Gibbo/armstrong
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Gibcus is 10 weeks away and might play a few VFL games
Put him on ice
Let Prestia go out on his terms
That’s my two bobs worth
Agreed. The hysteria over a mid season pick is bit over the top . Seriously guys, it’s not that big a deal
Jai Newcombe says hi.
Any chance to add talent to the list needs to be considered.
We have P3 if we make a spot and as I said earlier it looks like we will be losing some VFL players again.
I'm not sold on any of Mansell, MRJ or Green although I think Green has the most upside.
If Raso is showing potential we should try to sign him up.
There are a few cases where rookie picks have turned out very well, Newcombe, Noble, Pickett, Durham, Martin and prob some others that I can’t remember. However there’s much more cases of unsuccessful picks. Remember the pool are simply composed of players that went undrafted the year prior and are being picked up based on 6 months of good form in the state leagues.
I think what people aren’t considering as well is if we take someone in the mid season draft we lose a list spot for the end of year national and rookie drafts as I’m pretty sure these guys get 18 month deals now and not 6 months.
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We need a smart quick small forward quick smart, Raso's right here and is more important than giving Prestia a farewell quarter in round 21. :shh
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Gibcus is 10 weeks away and might play a few VFL games
Put him on ice
Let Prestia go out on his terms
That’s my two bobs worth
Agreed. The hysteria over a mid season pick is bit over the top . Seriously guys, it’s not that big a deal
Jai Newcombe says hi.
Any chance to add talent to the list needs to be considered.
We have P3 if we make a spot and as I said earlier it looks like we will be losing some VFL players again.
I'm not sold on any of Mansell, MRJ or Green although I think Green has the most upside.
If Raso is showing potential we should try to sign him up.
There are a few cases where rookie picks have turned out very well, Newcombe, Noble, Pickett, Durham, Martin and prob some others that I can’t remember. However there’s much more cases of unsuccessful picks. Remember the pool are simply composed of players that went undrafted the year prior and are being picked up based on 6 months of good form in the state leagues.
I think what people aren’t considering as well is if we take someone in the mid season draft we lose a list spot for the end of year national and rookie drafts as I’m pretty sure these guys get 18 month deals now and not 6 months.
Additionally there are players drafted at the end of the year (eg M D'Ambrosio) from our VFL team that we could have secured months earlier via MSD given we had them at our club already and could have known their worth, potential and negotiated MSD contracts.
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I don’t rate d’ambrossio that highly so not really fussed. Lovely kick but is an outside player who gets it off others good work. Would likely struggle in a poor team as ours like most of our outside players.
Durham on the other hand who slot in great in our side.
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Outside players with elite kicks are useful in any team.
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Sure but I think you’ll find those elite kicks aren’t so elite when they don’t get it as frequently, are under more pressure when they receive it and don’t have anyone to kick it to.
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It’s not like his kicks are never under pressure because he plays for an above average team.
Elite kicking is a valuable asset in any team. Period.
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I’m not saying he isn’t a good player and wouldn’t get into our team, I just personally do t place too much value on outside players especially with where our list is at. That’s why I thought we got overs for Rioli. We need to build our midfield and our spine before we worry about the wings and flanks. Ofcourse if one of those players falls in our laps you snatch them up, but bigger fish to fry at this stage imo.
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Gibcus is 10 weeks away and might play a few VFL games
Put him on ice
Let Prestia go out on his terms
That’s my two bobs worth
Agreed. The hysteria over a mid season pick is bit over the top . Seriously guys, it’s not that big a deal
Jai Newcombe says hi.
Any chance to add talent to the list needs to be considered.
We have P3 if we make a spot and as I said earlier it looks like we will be losing some VFL players again.
I'm not sold on any of Mansell, MRJ or Green although I think Green has the most upside.
If Raso is showing potential we should try to sign him up.
So why don’t all clubs participate in it every year?
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Gibcus is 10 weeks away and might play a few VFL games
Put him on ice
Let Prestia go out on his terms
That’s my two bobs worth
Agreed. The hysteria over a mid season pick is bit over the top . Seriously guys, it’s not that big a deal
Jai Newcombe says hi.
Any chance to add talent to the list needs to be considered.
We have P3 if we make a spot and as I said earlier it looks like we will be losing some VFL players again.
I'm not sold on any of Mansell, MRJ or Green although I think Green has the most upside.
If Raso is showing potential we should try to sign him up.
So why don’t all clubs participate in it every year?
Is that a rhetorical question or do I really need to suggest reasons why various clubs wouldn't bother?
Or are you just going to take the obtuse and banal position that's it's categorically not worth it and no club should ever bother?
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IMO it is worth taking a pick in the MSD every year for the chance to land a Jai Newcomb or Massimo type player.
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IMO it is worth taking a pick in the MSD every year for the chance to land a Jai Newcomb or Massimo type player.
Hallelujah!
Someone sees the common sense answer haha.
Every chance we have to add talent to the list needs to be taken.
We have players who should have been on the LTIL from the start of the year or retired by now.
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You shouldn’t be adding to the list just because we can. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread taking someone in this mid season draft takes up a list spot. If we pass on the mid season draft we have another list spot available at the national or rookie draft at the end of the season.
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You shouldn’t be adding to the list just because we can. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread taking someone in this mid season draft takes up a list spot. If we pass on the mid season draft we have another list spot available at the national or rookie draft at the end of the season.
I can see plenty of blokes being moved on at the end of the year myself
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You shouldn’t be adding to the list just because we can. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread taking someone in this mid season draft takes up a list spot. If we pass on the mid season draft we have another list spot available at the national or rookie draft at the end of the season.
I can see plenty of blokes being moved on at the end of the year myself
That may be true but it doesn’t take away from the fact that we will have 1 more spot if we don’t take someone mid season.
Look I’m not saying we shouldn’t take anyone in the mid season draft if there’s a specific player they feel warrants it, I just don’t think it’s a must.
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You shouldn’t be adding to the list just because we can. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread taking someone in this mid season draft takes up a list spot. If we pass on the mid season draft we have another list spot available at the national or rookie draft at the end of the season.
I can see plenty of blokes being moved on at the end of the year myself
That may be true but it doesn’t take away from the fact that we will have 1 more spot if we don’t take someone mid season.
Look I’m not saying we shouldn’t take anyone in the mid season draft if there’s a specific player they feel warrants it, I just don’t think it’s a must.
How many picks do you see us using at the end of the year?
I'm uninspired by our small forwards and think Raso is worth a punt.
I can also think of 7 blokes I'd be delisting haha
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We only have 2 picks in the ND however I can see us getting 1-2 more, defo need one for kellaway jnr. unless the club flat out don’t rate him.
Then whatever list spots we have left id imagine we’d use in the rookie draft potentially leaving 1 spot for the SSP period.
In terms of delistings I’m not sure as the contract list hasn’t been updated in ages. If someone knows who’s out of contract at the end of the year that would be helpful. Retirees I can only really see Prestia pulling the pin. Kmac and Lynch have both been fit this season and are still playing each week so I don’t have any reason to believe they’ll call it. Last one would be trades/fa but haven’t heard any of our players rumoured to go anywhere which if you compare that to last year we were well aware of baker/graham/bolton/rioli rumours.
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Gibcus is 10 weeks away and might play a few VFL games
Put him on ice
Let Prestia go out on his terms
That’s my two bobs worth
Agreed. The hysteria over a mid season pick is bit over the top . Seriously guys, it’s not that big a deal
Jai Newcombe says hi.
Any chance to add talent to the list needs to be considered.
We have P3 if we make a spot and as I said earlier it looks like we will be losing some VFL players again.
I'm not sold on any of Mansell, MRJ or Green although I think Green has the most upside.
If Raso is showing potential we should try to sign him up.
So why don’t all clubs participate in it every year?
Is that a rhetorical question or do I really need to suggest reasons why various clubs wouldn't bother?
Or are you just going to take the obtuse and banal position that's it's categorically not worth it and no club should ever bother?
It’s a valid question. If you don’t want to answer it, just move on. The response reeks of a wanna intellect trying too hard.
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Gibcus is 10 weeks away and might play a few VFL games
Put him on ice
Let Prestia go out on his terms
That’s my two bobs worth
Agreed. The hysteria over a mid season pick is bit over the top . Seriously guys, it’s not that big a deal
Jai Newcombe says hi.
Any chance to add talent to the list needs to be considered.
We have P3 if we make a spot and as I said earlier it looks like we will be losing some VFL players again.
I'm not sold on any of Mansell, MRJ or Green although I think Green has the most upside.
If Raso is showing potential we should try to sign him up.
So why don’t all clubs participate in it every year?
Is that a rhetorical question or do I really need to suggest reasons why various clubs wouldn't bother?
Or are you just going to take the obtuse and banal position that's it's categorically not worth it and no club should ever bother?
It’s a valid question. If you don’t want to answer it, just move on. The response reeks of a wanna intellect trying too hard.
Fine.
Not all clubs would participate because:
- they have a healthy list (which we don't necessarily) with no spots
- they don't see talented players that suit their current needs
- players that do suit their needs may demand contracts that don't fit the club
- players that suit their needs may not want to move interstate
- players that clubs want may not longer be available at their pick
And probably more.
There you go. Spelled it out for you since you couldn't think of anything yourself.
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Star VFL Tiger in mid-season draft mix
The first batch of AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft nominees have been released to clubs ahead of next week's draft
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
20 May 2025
Potential early mid-season pick Tom McCarthy is among the first group of nearly 70 players to nominate for the 2025 AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft.
McCarthy's form for Richmond's VFL side has put him firmly on the radar as a No.1 pick contender at the mid-season intake next week, with the likes of West Coast and North Melbourne to consider the mature-age midfielder.
McCarthy has nominated under an 18-month term, with players able to nominate for the mid-season pool under that longer term or a shorter six-month contract just for the second half of 2025.
Sam Toner and Jhett Haeata from our VFL side have also nominated.
Full list of nominees are listed here: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1325846/star-vfl-tiger-former-roo-and-sun-in-mid-season-draft-mix
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Can add Parfitt and RCD to that list.
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Absolute stupidity if we don't enter this draft.
Show some leadership Yze and send Dow or Prestia off the list.
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Absolute stupidity if we don't enter this draft.
Show some leadership Yze and send Dow or Prestia off the list.
Cotton wool Armstrong
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Absolute stupidity if we don't enter this draft.
Show some leadership Yze and send Dow or Prestia off the list.
And tell me how exactly 11 games into a season you send a contracted player who only suffered an injury last night, a not too serious one off the list?
As for Presria, he's playing tonight and in his presser Yze said if he gets through that he's available for selection next week. So the only place Prestia is going to be sent is into the AFL team
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Who in our vfl team is the next Durham that some other team will value more and give senior opportunities to unearth a potential future star player?
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Absolute stupidity if we don't enter this draft.
Show some leadership Yze and send Dow or Prestia off the list.
Cotton wool Armstrong
Genuine option this!
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Prestia still has half a VFL game to get through tonight..... :shh
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Prestia still has half a VFL game to get through tonight..... :shh
3 qtrs to be precise...
In his presser Yze saidche got it wrong and the aim now is managed minutes that will equate to 3 qtrs
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When is the cut off for this thing? This will be a crazy decision to not take a pick here and I don't care who goes back to the VFL
We have a few duds so choose one first and go from there. Armstrong may be the one if that fails.
If he doesn't play until late July/aug then what is the bloody point even trying to get into the seniors.
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When is the cut off for this thing? This will be a crazy decision to not take a pick here and I don't care who goes back to the VFL
We have a few duds so choose one first and go from there. Armstrong may be the one if that fails.
If he doesn't play until late July/aug then what is the bloody point even trying to get into the seniors.
Done and dusted we don't have a pick.
Midseason draft is tonight
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When is the cut off for this thing? This will be a crazy decision to not take a pick here and I don't care who goes back to the VFL
We have a few duds so choose one first and go from there. Armstrong may be the one if that fails.
If he doesn't play until late July/aug then what is the bloody point even trying to get into the seniors.
Done and dusted we don't have a pick.
Midseason draft is tonight
Disappointed personally.
Reckon we'll lose 2-3 VFL guys.
Shame we didn't give one of them a chance and just ice a kid like Armstrong...
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I wouldn't be getting my knickers in a knot about this draft and not having a pick. It's a shame our vfl team gets weakened but good luck to the players, wish them well.
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Only 8/18 clubs have list spots available to participate.
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So 1 player taken from our vfl side which we couldn’t have even taken anyway. So much for the raid.
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So 1 player taken from our vfl side which we couldn’t have even taken anyway. So much for the raid.
I was expecting at least two.
I wanted to try Raso because I think he has more upside than MRJ (surely we can't say the VFL players aren't fit enough vs him lol) and I've been underwhelmed by both Mansell and Green this year.
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Midseason draft irrelevant for us. Maybe for Essendon desperate to finish 8th
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Giving West Coke McCarthy as part of the Reid deal. :shh