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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: PuntRdRoar on September 07, 2006, 10:52:58 AM
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Can someone confirm that Humm & Rodan have been given the behind from Punt Road! Great days gentlemen if its true...about time we started seeing this type of decision making, hopefully its true & theres more to come!
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bloody hope its true
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if they are to cut Rodan then they have to pay out the remaining year of his contract and IIRC it would go into this year's calary cap
You would think they would try and trade first
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if they are to cut Rodan then they have to pay out the remaining year of his contract and IIRC it would go into this year's calary cap
You would think they would try and trade first
what if the second yr of his contract was based on his performance in the first yr of that contract???
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Humm is gone. He's ineligible to stay on the rookie list and won't get a spot on the seniors list next year.
if they are to cut Rodan then they have to pay out the remaining year of his contract and IIRC it would go into this year's calary cap
You would think they would try and trade first
what if the second yr of his contract was based on his performance in the first yr of that contract???
It was a 2-year performance-based contract so you might be on the right track X. Perhaps the pay-out will be cheaper because D-Rod played just 5 games this year. The club needs to trade or pay him out otherwise he'll just be stuck at Coburg taking the spot of a young kid on our list.
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Rodan to stay with Richmond in AFL
The Age
Breaking News
October 21, 2005 - 1:49PM
Richmond onballer David Rodan has agreed to a new deal with the Tigers, after earlier considering a change of AFL clubs.
Rodan, 22, who missed the entire 2005 season after rupturing a knee ligament in a pre-season practice match, has agreed to a two-year performance-based contract.
He had earlier been unhappy with a one-year deal offered by the club and asked the Tigers on the eve of the AFL's trade week earlier this month to sound out other clubs about a possible switch.
His manager Angie Papadopolous said Rodan's first choice had always been to stay with Richmond, but he had wanted to be certain about his future at Tigerland.
"It was just more about the security of what he was doing," Papadopolous said.
"He was never in question to be traded, there was a lot of clubs interested.
"It was just a matter of going through the process, both him and the club are happy."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport...9775942329.html
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good work mt!!!
thank god it was a performance based contract, so i guess thats settled , rodant , seeya later!!!
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good work mt!!!
thank god it was a performance based contract, so i guess thats settled , rodant , seeya later!!!
From the super-draft of 2001 we now have nobody left after just 5 years apart from Hyde who was delisted and then re-drafted that year. Well done Spud :banghead.
17. Traded for Stafford
33. Rodan
49. Traded for Hudson
63. Houlihan
68. Hyde - delisted and then redrafted
77. McGrath
Rookie elevation: Ednie
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good work mt!!!
thank god it was a performance based contract, so i guess thats settled , rodant , seeya later!!!
From the super-draft of 2001 we now have nobody left after just 5 years apart from Hyde who was delisted and then re-drafted that year. Well done Spud :banghead.
17. Traded for Stafford
33. Rodan
49. Traded for Hudson
63. Houlihan
68. Hyde - delisted and then redrafted
77. McGrath
Rookie elevation: Ednie
spud would have to go down as the biggest dud off all. to even think he wanted pettifer out also
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It was a 2-year performance-based contract so you might be on the right track X. Perhaps the pay-out will be cheaper because D-Rod played just 5 games this year. The club needs to trade or pay him out otherwise he'll just be stuck at Coburg taking the spot of a young kid on our list.
I think you would find that under the AFL CB agreement he would have to be on a minimum base rate + match payments. The performance criteria would be a extra for the amount of games, where he fnished in the B&F, and perhaps on certain stats categories stuff like that.
Probably would be cheap to pay out but again I think if they've decided he is on his way then you would got for the trade first. If by some cahnce you can package him with another player you'd do that first wouldn't you
Correct me if I am wrong but you don't have to do your first lot of delistings until 31 October? So I don't think there is any great rush
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Probably would be cheap to pay out but again I think if they've decided he is on his way then you would got for the trade first. If by some cahnce you can package him with another player you'd do that first wouldn't you
Correct me if I am wrong but you don't have to do your first lot of delistings until 31 October? So I don't think there is any great rush
That's right WP. The first list lodgement isn't until Oct 31 and I'm sure that's the order the club will do things for any player who may be offloaded. See what interest is out there up to and during trade week (Oct 9-13) and then make a official ;) final decision about delistings. The player themselves would be aware though now of their pecking order.
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Any goss or whispers from last night on the delisting and trade front?
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In Johnston's speech he said goodbye to all the players that were leaving this year - he put Rodan's name in there as well.
Major stuff up, because Rodan was unaware of it.
I had a word to him later and he said it came as a complete surprise as he's in negotiations at the moment
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See this article on afl.com.au....
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=299079
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That's pretty disgraceful, IMO
Last night was a celebration for this year, where the kids just have fun.
I thought Rodan was pretty much shocked about the whole thing and should not have been told in that fashion.
Maybe they have an inkling they won't be there, but if it's not common knowledge, last night was not the time to do it and so publicly.
Very embarrassing for those concerned
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I actually had to double check today to make sure I had heard right.
First the way the Chubba thing was handled (btw kudos to Chubba on how he conducted himself last night) and now this :help :help - not great :-\
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That part of Sugars speach was just shown on 10 news. Major slip up by him.
He probably didn't have anything prepared (didn't think he would win) and was saying the first things that came to him. Still not good. On the TV report I thought I could hear a gasp from the crowd when he said it. Somebody that was there might be able to confirm that gasp.
Now we know for sure that Roach, Humm and Rodan won't be there next year. The club will deny it but I think its pointless doing so.
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the club has seriously erred by not finishing this today. They should have confirmed delistings of those named today, apologised for the mistake, thanked them for there contribution. Im sorry but its mistakes like this that make us look like a brothel.
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It's an absolute disgrace, I can't believe that has happened, totally unprofessional.
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the club has seriously erred by not finishing this today. They should have confirmed delistings of those named today, apologised for the mistake, thanked them for there contribution. Im sorry but its mistakes like this that make us look like a brothel.
Agree Ramps. No point the club trying to make out decisions haven't been made and then wait to delist them on Oct 31. The club will just look like it kept hopes up falsely. Allow those players involved to get on with deciding their future.
It also stuffs up any romote chance of Rodan being traded.
The names aren't a shock and IMO they are the correct calls. I'm surprised any player would be unaware of where he stood as far as his future at Richmond. However that doesn't change the fact that the RFC has been very unprofessional with its handling of list changes this year.
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The footy show replayed Sugar's speech and had a good laugh at the club's expense.
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The footy show replayed Sugar's speech and had a good laugh at the club's expense.
With good reason, it was a total lack of tact to embarrass those boys like that.
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It's an absolute disgrace, I can't believe that has happened, totally unprofessional.
I can beleive it happened ::)
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Herald Sun speaking to Michael Roach about this farce in the paper tomorrow.
Seriously our club is like a brothel....to many egos. Who evers doing PR needs a kick up the arse. For the 3rd time Im gonna say it again....finish it NOW! Delist them officially, Apologise and get on with it...this poos me coz...how can i put it...its just stupid PR strategy.
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Agree entirely
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Tom Roach in shock
22 September 2006
Herald-Sun
Rebecca Williams
RICHMOND great Michael Roach says his son Tom was shocked after he inadvertently heard he had been sacked by the Tigers at the club's best-and-fairest count on Wednesday night.
Tigers captain Kane Johnson made a slip during his acceptance speech when he said he wanted to wish departing players David Rodan, Tom Roach and rookie Jeremy Humm all the best.
Assistant coach Brian Royal immediately denied the club had made any decisions about the trio's playing future.
Roach said Tom, who played just two senior games this season, realised his position at the club was under review, but was still surprised by Johnson's revelation.
"I think he was a bit shocked," Roach said. "But I've spoken to him about it and he knows they are doing player reviews and I suppose his name is among the ones (up for review).
"He knows he's under pressure, a lot of kids are."
Roach yesterday spoke to Richmond coach Terry Wallace to clarify Tom's position.
"I don't know about the other guys, but I've spoken to Terry and he said there's still no decision," Roach said.
"Hopefully he can stay on the list. If not, we'll have to look at other avenues, and hopefully he gets an opportunity somewhere else if it happens."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20455342%255E19742,00.html
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Tom Roach in shock
22 September 2006
Herald-Sun
Rebecca Williams
RICHMOND great Michael Roach says his son Tom was shocked after he inadvertently heard he had been sacked by the Tigers at the club's best-and-fairest count on Wednesday night.
Tigers captain Kane Johnson made a slip during his acceptance speech when he said he wanted to wish departing players David Rodan, Tom Roach and rookie Jeremy Humm all the best.
Assistant coach Brian Royal immediately denied the club had made any decisions about the trio's playing future.
Roach said Tom, who played just two senior games this season, realised his position at the club was under review, but was still surprised by Johnson's revelation.
"I think he was a bit shocked," Roach said. "But I've spoken to him about it and he knows they are doing player reviews and I suppose his name is among the ones (up for review).
"He knows he's under pressure, a lot of kids are."
Roach yesterday spoke to Richmond coach Terry Wallace to clarify Tom's position.
"I don't know about the other guys, but I've spoken to Terry and he said there's still no decision," Roach said.
"Hopefully he can stay on the list. If not, we'll have to look at other avenues, and hopefully he gets an opportunity somewhere else if it happens."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20455342%255E19742,00.html
further proof as to why joel should be captain and not sugar. sugar has poo 4 brains whereas joel is an intelligent person
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Awful way to be told your services are no longer required. Those poor boys - would have just wrecked their B&F night.
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further proof as to why joel should be captain and not sugar. sugar has poo 4 brains whereas joel is an intelligent person
Agree X. If Sugar had known the boys were gone, why hadn't he had a private chat to them to wish them well rather than a non-hands on, not too hard way of saying goodbye to them with a speech in a crowded room where you don't have to look them in the eye. I know, it's Wallace's job to give them the hard news, but if Sugar thought they already knew, he should have had a heart to heart with them (as captain) and wished them well in person.
Tacky, tacky, tacky :banghead
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Tom Roach in shock
22 September 2006
Herald-Sun
Rebecca Williams
RICHMOND great Michael Roach says his son Tom was shocked after he inadvertently heard he had been sacked by the Tigers at the club's best-and-fairest count on Wednesday night.
Tigers captain Kane Johnson made a slip during his acceptance speech when he said he wanted to wish departing players David Rodan, Tom Roach and rookie Jeremy Humm all the best.
Assistant coach Brian Royal immediately denied the club had made any decisions about the trio's playing future.
Roach said Tom, who played just two senior games this season, realised his position at the club was under review, but was still surprised by Johnson's revelation.
"I think he was a bit shocked," Roach said. "But I've spoken to him about it and he knows they are doing player reviews and I suppose his name is among the ones (up for review).
"He knows he's under pressure, a lot of kids are."
Roach yesterday spoke to Richmond coach Terry Wallace to clarify Tom's position.
"I don't know about the other guys, but I've spoken to Terry and he said there's still no decision," Roach said.
"Hopefully he can stay on the list. If not, we'll have to look at other avenues, and hopefully he gets an opportunity somewhere else if it happens."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20455342%255E19742,00.html
further proof as to why joel should be captain and not sugar. sugar has poo 4 brains whereas joel is an intelligent person
X- For once I agree with you. Never liked Johnson as a captain or a player but I guess most people here already know my feelings on him.
Can't beleive he got the Jack Dyer medal. I thought Joel would have been streets ahead of him in the voting. Even Simmo and Rainsey had better seasons than him IMO.
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Another Punt Rd Fiasco. And the club has no one else to blame but themselves.
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It's an absolute disgrace, I can't believe that has happened, totally unprofessional.
I can beleive it happened ::)
what do you mean ?
That Kane is not the sharpest tool in the shed ? or that the club is unorganised?
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In defence of Kane - I don't really think he would have said it if he didn't believe the kids knew.
If that's the case then why would you tell the Captain before the players concerned - that's not the right way to do it IMHO
I agree with RT - it's been handled terribly - the finger pointing is making it even worse.
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Another Punt Rd Fiasco. And the club has no one else to blame but themselves.
Ramps my greek friend. I once again totally agree with you
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It's an absolute disgrace, I can't believe that has happened, totally unprofessional.
I can beleive it happened ::)
what do you mean ?
That Kane is not the sharpest tool in the shed ? or that the club is unorganised?
Quite possibly a bit of both, but was tending the comment more towards the organisation at the time of writting.
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I'm not defending what happened or that Sugar didn't speak out of line, but I'm finding it difficult to believe the players weren't aware. They all had interviews with Wallace before they broke up for annual leave and would have been told where they stood and the likelihood of their chances at being at Punt Rd next year. No player could expect himself to be safe after 3-4 years at the club playing at Coburg and with younger teammates bypassing them into the senior side.
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I'd have to agree with that as well MT
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I'm not defending what happened or that Sugar didn't speak out of line, but I'm finding it difficult to believe the players weren't aware. They all had interviews with Wallace before they broke up for annual leave and would have been told where they stood and the likelihood of their chances at being at Punt Rd next year. No player could expect himself to be safe after 3-4 years at the club playing at Coburg and with younger teammates bypassing them into the senior side.
They might have had an inkling, but after speaking to Rodan pretty much a few minutes after it, he didn't know what was going on.
Said he was in the middle of negotiations with the club.
Anyway, it's done now and nothing they can do to change things - just hope they give them an apology.
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Any whispers out of Punt Road on who else has been delisted if any? They've only got until Tuesday week and most other clubs have finalised their delistings.
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Deadline is 2pm tomorrow and still no news. We only need to reduce our list down to 35 so will we hear any further announcements tomorrow?
We started with 39 on our senior/veteran lists so no Staff, Chaff, Chubba, Rodan and Roach takes it down to 34. Promoting Howat would then take it back up to 35.
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Deadline is 2pm tomorrow and still no news. We only need to reduce our list down to 35 so will we hear any further announcements tomorrow?
Who knows?
But probably not - maybe that's a good thing give a couple of those on the fringe 3 weeks to show they deserve to be there - those that don't well there's always list lodgement number 2
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Limback has been delisted
Howat & Graham are the Rookies
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Limback has been delisted
Howat & Graham are the Rookies
Chubb, Rodan, Limbach, Roach, Humm, Staff and Chaff gone.
Howat retained as rookie...
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Full article:
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=305201
Snippet from the article:
The acquisition of one player (Graham Polak) in the recent trade period, two players (Matthew Richardson and Darren Gaspar) being on the veteran list; along with the fact the Club went one short on its senior playing list in 2006, gives the Tigers six places to fill on its ’07 primary list via the upcoming drafts.
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Moore and Jacko are very lucky.
The rumour doing the rounds is Limbach will be redrafted by us as a rookie if he isn't picked up by another club.
I'm surprised both Gas and Richo are now on the veterans' list. It limits the number of rookies we can have to 4. With Howat and Graham already on our rookie list, we'll only be picking up two new rookies at the most. If Limbach is rookied then that means just one newbie :-\.
Polak's salary has obviously pushed us above the 92.5% minimum of the salary cap to allow us to put both Gas and Richo on the veterans list and outside the seniors list.
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This was the list of my non RFC Premiership players. Players in bold are now gone.
1) Kelvin Moore,
2) Brent Hartigan,
3) Dean Limbach,
4) Jeremy Humm,
5) Tom Roach,
6) David Rodan,
7) Mark Chaffey,
8) Cam Howat,
9) Luke McGuane,
10) Greg Stafford
11) Darren Gaspar
12) Daniel Jackson
13) Trent Knoble
14) Nathan Foley
15) Andrew Krakouer
16) Greg Tivendale
17) Ray Hall
18) Shane Tuck
19) Andy Kellaway- wasnt on my original list
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This was the list of my non RFC Premiership players. Players in bold are now gone.
1) Kelvin Moore - needs to get on the park otherwise gone.
2) Brent Hartigan - contracted. 2007 is make or break.
8) Cam Howat - rookie
9) Luke McGuane - 2007 make or break.
11) Darren Gaspar - 1-2 years left. Is holding down FB until one of the young guys takes over. Apparently Thursfield is unlikely to do much in 2007.
12) Daniel Jackson - 2007 make or break. Where to play him?
13) Trent Knoble - spare ruck behind Simmo. Allows Patto time to develop if Simmo is ever out injured.
14) Nathan Foley - Good 2006 for a second year midfielder. He'll be given more time if he can keep improving.
15) Andrew Krakouer - Statistically Krak is improving each year but the Club's patience must be running out as he hasn't come on as fast as we would want. Inconsistency still a problem.
16) Greg Tivendale - Will continue to get a regular game until a number of youngsters pass him. At this stage he is still in our best 22 despite being a whipping boy for supporters.
17) Ray Hall - If Polak holds down CHB, Razor will need to find another position in 2007 to survive.
18) Shane Tuck - Needs to work on adding leg speed. It could be argued that Foley has moved in ahead of Tuck.
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I'm confused. How can Howat be classed as a rookie when he's played several senior games?
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I'm confused. How can Howat be classed as a rookie when he's played several senior games?
Julz,
Cam Howat started 2006 on our rookie list. Rookies can be promoted during the course of the season if a club has a player that suffers a long term injury. In Cam Howat's case he was promoted after Cogs was placed on the long term injury list and he palyer the last few games. He became a "promoted rookie"
At the end of the season the CLub has 2 choices - promote him permanently to the senior list or retain him on the rookie list for a 2nd season. In Cam's case the club have decided to retain him as a rookie for a 2nd year. He will be eligible to be promoted again if we have space on our senior list in 2007 - e.g. another long term injury etc
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Same happened with Nathan Foley last year. Foley was then made a senior listed player in the off season, which could still happen to Howat if only 5 picks are used instead of 6.
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Same happened with Nathan Foley last year. Foley was then made a senior listed player in the off season, which could still happen to Howat if only 5 picks are used instead of 6.
True FF - they may wait until after the National Draft and say we'll forgoe the PSD - promote Howat because he is a better bet than anything on offer and then just concentrate on using the Rookie draft for picking a kids
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Same happened with Nathan Foley last year. Foley was then made a senior listed player in the off season, which could still happen to Howat if only 5 picks are used instead of 6.
True FF - they may wait until after the National Draft and say we'll forgoe the PSD - promote Howat because he is a better bet than anything on offer and then just concentrate on using the Rookie draft for picking a kids
Sounds like a good plan FF. If Howat is promoted that will give us space for an extra rookie. Whichever way we go there'll be nine new faces at Tigerland next year :thumbsup.
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aflinsider.net's view of our delistings:
Richmond
Kane Johnson told everyone what was happening but now it is official. But Kellaway, Roach and Rodan all have something to offer. Kellaway especially should be a player with a new team next season.
http://www.aflinsider.net/afl-delistings-analysis/
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Rodan, Roach and Limbach's photos have been removed from the RFC site but Humm is still listed there ???
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=players&spg=seniorlist
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Heard around the traps Limbach is still training ? Hope so ...
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Heard around the traps Limbach is still training ? Hope so ...
He's not apparently training with us according the papers but it's rumoured we may rookie list Limbach if no other club picks him up. I've noticed too that some Essendon fans seem keen on him. We have 2 rookie list spots free so if no one we fancy is left by pick 8 in the PSD we could promote Howat and then pick up 3 rookies with one being Limbach.
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heard rumors jason cloke is training with us, tell me it aint true!!!!!!
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heard rumors jason cloke is training with us, tell me it aint true!!!!!!
That's what Mopsy and I were talking about. Officially none of the Clokes are as you need permission for delisted players so if he was (god forbid :help) it would have to be done behind the scenes. I've heard rumours Jason and Cameron have the Roos and Bombers respectively interested in them. As long as they aren't anywhere near Punt Rd then I'm happy lol.
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Apparently Kel Moore signed a new deal today, very lucky i would think.
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Apparently Kel Moore signed a new deal today, very lucky i would think.
For how long Bull ?
1 year ? 2 years ??
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Apparently Kel Moore signed a new deal today, very lucky i would think.
For how long Bull ?
1 year ? 2 years ??
For someone so injury prone it has to be only a 1 year deal surely :-\.
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Apparently Kel Moore signed a new deal today, very lucky i would think.
For how long Bull ?
1 year ? 2 years ??
For someone so injury prone it has to be only a 1 year deal surely :-\.
You would bloody hope so!
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heard rumors jason cloke is training with us, tell me it aint true!!!!!!
That's what Mopsy and I were talking about. Officially none of the Clokes are as you need permission for delisted players so if he was (god forbid :help) it would have to be done behind the scenes. I've heard rumours Jason and Cameron have the Roos and Bombers respectively interested in them. As long as they aren't anywhere near Punt Rd then I'm happy lol.
The Wallabies are not using their training camp up here in Coffs Harbour at the moment :weights
! will have to check it out :ROTFL
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The Wallabies are not using their training camp up here in Coffs Harbour at the moment :weights
! will have to check it out :ROTFL
They might be wearing this as a disguise Mopsy ;D
(http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/dress-up/acc/grouch-specs-tache.jpg)
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You'll still recognise Jason, Mopsy. If he's training as a backman he'll be the one punching the ball out of bounds even though nobody is near him and he could have marked. If he's training as a forward he'll be the one running to where the ball aint (as Jack would say).
Cameron will be the one lying in a heap after getting a love tap on the chin.
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I see Humm's photo has been taken off the RFC site in the last few days.
We're probably done as far as delistings go even though the second list lodgement is this Friday.
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I sent them an email
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I sent them an email
Keeping them on their toes Mopsy ;D :thumbsup.
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Your website is your window to the world and it's operation is a testament to your business efficiency :thumbsup
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Tommy Roach is interviewed in the Herald-Sun tomorrow. Apparently he confirms he was told of his delisting prior to the B&F night when Sugar let slip.
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Roach holds no grudges
Daryl Timms
Herald-Sun
November 17, 2006
TOM Roach wasn't worried when his captain Kane Johnson jumped the gun and publicly farewelled both Roach and David Rodan at Richmond's best-and-fairest night on September 20.
Tigers officials quickly tried to rectify the gaffe and said no decision had been made on their future. But the pair was officially delisted two weeks ago.
Roach said coach Terry Wallace had told him on the day of the vote count that he would be delisted.
"I sort of knew late in the season that it was on the cards because they have to get rid of five or six players at the end of each season," Roach said yesterday.
"I knew my name was going to be up around that area, but I unluckily got chopped.
"I already knew I'd been delisted, but no one in the audience knew that and I think that's where everyone got confused and made it bigger than it was."
Roach says the Tigers wanted to keep the delistings quiet in case players they no longer required could be used during trade negotiations.
"Kane was trying to do the right thing and, although it didn't come out too well, that's all right. I wasn't worried about it at all," Roach said.
"I'd been told that day by the coach, so I already knew."
Although Roach, son of champion Richmond full-forward Michael Roach, is no longer at Punt Rd, he hasn't give up hope of resurrecting his league career.
He started training with St Kilda this week in the hope of being picked up in the pre-season draft.
"I'm having a new crack at it down at St Kilda and hopefully they'll give me a chance and I'll see what happens," Roach said.
"I had a chat to (new coach) Ross (Lyon) and he said, 'Just give it your best shot. There are no guarantees, but give it everything you've got', and that's what I'll be doing."
Roach broke his jaw in Round 3 against West Coast when he collided with teammate Shane Tuck's shoulder. He missed seven weeks and says he lacked confidence when he returned.
"I just struggled at first. It took me at least five weeks to play good footy," Roach said.
"I started to play some good footy by the end of the season."
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,20772227-23211,00.html