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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 02, 2006, 03:28:31 AM
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What are you guys and gals expectations for next week's trade period?
Would you be disappointed if the club was fairly inactive like last year with just one minor trade done of pick 56 for Paddy?
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Graham Polak wasnt pick 4 for nothing
He might just be a dud like Pick 3 Aaron Fiora
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He could also become a star like Pavlich ;D
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He could also become a star like Pavlich ;D
True... but I wouldn't like to give anything too valuable for him in case he is a dud like Fiora :D
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I think trade week 2006 will like all the others - we will wait and then wait some more while we are all waiting for the big deal (this year it'll be Aker I reckon) to get done and then we'll have the mad scramble.
To be honest I like most people have no idea what the Tigers are planning (that's part of the fun of trade week ;D) but I wouldn't be surprised if we do something out of left field - that is they trade someone that we the supporters are not expecting.
If there is some way we can get trade for an early pick (top 5) then I think we should seroiously look at that.
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I agree with WP mostly its a wait and see, personally I like the way the swans trade, they know what they want, they dont mess around and on the first or second day theyve done there key deal or deals and its over with- hopefully we do the same and dont engage in rubbish, better still the AFL can make it a 2 day exercise to short circuit the rubbish that goes on.
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I agree with WP and think we'll try to trade someone we don't expect in an effort to gain another first and possibly second round pick. That would allow us then to try to pick someone up with a trade yet still keep our early picks.
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Expect a lot of unhappy ferral supporters ::)
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Im hoping that we can pinch a young player or two who havent had much opportunity at other clubs, someone llike a Joel Perry from North who has been injury ravaged for 3 years and could play KP defence
Latest rumour around today is we along with Sydney are willing to offer Joel Perry a two year deal. North has apparently only offered him a one-year deal. A second round pick might complete a trade.
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Expect a lot of unhappy ferral supporters ::)
Coach puts his balls on the line so hes the one who makes the decisions, the supporters should back him in to get the decision making right and if they dont like it stiff. All that matters is getting success.
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By the way I forgot to ask, any of you guys think we should consider downgrading our 1st pick, 8 to me seems to be pretty similar to say 20 in terms of quality so if Krak wants to go the eagles would we consider say 8 and Krakouer for 16 and Rosa. Not that the eagles would go for it I wouldnt think but Im interested to know if any of you would support it in general. Personally Id do it for a Rosa type player.
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He could also become a star like Pavlich ;D
I've seen both them play and polak is miles from pavlichs league
there are far better player out there than a polak to many injuries and no self belief relies on easy gets and others to make him look good
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I am expecting a trade out of left field. Maybe a player we would class in our best 10 currently?
It sounds bad, but I expect at least one of Soloman or Copeland to end up at the tigers cheaply as well.
I have heard the Perry rumour, but expect Nth to jump in and give him 2 years
Would love to get another first rounder, but even two second rounders would be good.
I hope we trade out those players we can, and delist the ones we are likely to.
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Expect a lot of unhappy ferral supporters ::)
what do you mean jack?
no trades ?
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I am expecting a trade out of left field. Maybe a player we would class in our best 10 currently?
Yeah that's what I was thinking we will end up doing.
Big question is which player?
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Expect a lot of unhappy ferral supporters ::)
what do you mean jack?
no trades ?
I read that as a popular Tiger with supporters might be traded.
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By the way I forgot to ask, any of you guys think we should consider downgrading our 1st pick, 8 to me seems to be pretty similar to say 20 in terms of quality so if Krak wants to go the eagles would we consider say 8 and Krakouer for 16 and Rosa. Not that the eagles would go for it I wouldnt think but Im interested to know if any of you would support it in general. Personally Id do it for a Rosa type player.
Nup. Collingwood did something similar in 2004 and they missed out on Jordan Lewis for Chris Egan. I'd rather we back ourselves to pick the best kid at 8.
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I read that as a popular Tiger with supporters might be traded.
Yeah I read it that way too - gets back to my question which player?
I can think of a couple that I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up as trade bait.
The fact is for us to get anything decent, that is of a decent value ( eg a pick in the top 5) we'd have to give up something of value in a trade
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I read that as a popular Tiger with supporters might be traded.
Yeah I read it that way too - gets back to my question which player?
I can think of a couple that I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up as trade bait.
The fact is for us to get anything decent, that is of a decent value ( eg a pick in the top 5) we'd have to give up something of value in a trade
Trading one of Cogs or Tuck would get supporters very upset but they would have value.
One club I would keep an eye on is the Saints. They appear to think they just need to top up and with no senior coach setting a clear direction they may be one club that may do something dumb during trade week.
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Any serious offer for Tuck, Coughlan and Krakouer needs to be looked at and if all 3 are traded then so be it.
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Trading one of Cogs or Tuck would get supporters very upset but they would have value.
Yeah I agree with those 2 but I'd also throw Hyde in there as well plus the usual suspects.
Perhaps Jack is saying the feral supporters will be upset if the usual suspects are not traded :whistle :rollin ;D :rollin
One club I would keep an eye on is the Saints. They appear to think they just need to top up and with no senior coach setting a clear direction they may be one club that may do something dumb during trade week.
How a club can go into trade week and this weeks draft camp with no coach is mind boggling I must say.
And let's be honest you cannot let the the assistants run things because they could be unemployed as soon as a new coach is appointed - so how they can even try and make list decisions let alone trades is beyond belief forget about it not shwoing one shred of logic.
Saints = DUMB & DUMBER :clapping :clapping
Couldn't happen to a nicer club ;D
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Perhaps Jack is saying the feral supporters will be upset if the usual suspects are not traded :whistle :rollin ;D :rollin
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The usual suspects unless they are uncontracted or paid out won't be going anywhere. They don't have decent trade value.
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If you think the uproar about A. Kellaway was good. Wait till trade week ! :lol
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Coughlan
Richardson
Tuck
Hyde
Newman, maybe foley or Polo also
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If you think the uproar about A. Kellaway was good. Wait till trade week ! :lol
As long as it's not Tambling...I'd have to kill the cat :rollin
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I think you can dismiss the following players. Richo, Cogs, Johnson, J Bowden, Deledio, Simmonds, Raines and Polo. (Gasper is also contracted)
Just my opinion.
Who does that leave in the top 10?
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I think you can dismiss the following players. Richo, Cogs, Johnson, J Bowden, Deledio, Simmonds, Raines and Polo. (Gasper is also contracted)
Just my opinion.
Who does that leave in the top 10?
Wouldnt be to sure about that! Cogs ??????
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1 - Kane Johnson (226)
2 - Andrew Raines (223)
3 - Troy Simmonds (215)
4 - Joel Bowden (204)
5 - Kayne Pettifer (186)
6 - Greg Tivendale (172)
7 - Matthew Richardson (164)
8 - Patrick Bowden (160)
9 - Dean Polo (152)
10 - Shane Tuck (151)
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Oops
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Dean Polo debut in Round 8 ?
Finished ahead of Tuck in B & F.
Would think that Tuck would be pretty worried about things at the moment
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Some people have talked about getting Rosa in trade week.
After hearing Worsfold last night "on the couch" he really rates him and unless they had a major fall out i couldnt see them parting ways.
Stranger things have happened.
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Dean Polo debut in Round 8 ?
Finished ahead of Tuck in B & F.
Would think that Tuck would be pretty worried about things at the moment
The list narrows
Coughlan
Tuck
Newman
Hyde
Foley
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If you think the uproar about A. Kellaway was good. Wait till trade week ! :lol
Hey Jack, so who is the player that's going to replace this latest uproar in trade week?
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I think you can dismiss the following players. Richo, Cogs, Johnson, J Bowden, Deledio, Simmonds, Raines and Polo. (Gasper is also contracted)
Just my opinion.
Who does that leave in the top 10?
Wouldnt be to sure about that! Cogs ??????
I hate this time of year and haven’t really been following things lately, but what does this mean and where has all this come from? They trade Cogs then they can kiss my membership goodbye. They can take their club and their game and go sell it to someone else.
We get sold this line about how supporters want to see players start their careers and see them play 200 games, and so on and then, before they get that opportunity, they’re discarded. A la AK.
Then we get spun this other line about how we’re missing players in the 21-25 age bracket and then they turn around and want to trade them away.
Well, they can take their spin and go find someone else to bluff with it.
Some people just want success, however it comes along. To me it actually means something if we get to see player’s careers and follow the highs and lows with them.
If they can find it with in themselves to treat players like AK and Cogs like that then what sort of footy club is it anyway?
One with no heart or soul, it seems like to me. Which doesn’t leave much.
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Dean Polo debut in Round 8 ?
Finished ahead of Tuck in B & F.
Would think that Tuck would be pretty worried about things at the moment
Fair point. Although he did lead the club in tackles and clearances this year.
We are already 14th in the league in tackles. If you offload Tucky you have to work out; where are you going to get an extra 72 tackles just to maintain this years form.
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Now 72 divided by 22 players = 3.272 extra tackles per player, lol
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3.272, if you divide that by 22 games, it's only 0.148 of a tackle per game for each player!
Tucky has to go!!!! :-[
Richo might have a hard time covering his share though. With only 0.72 tackles per game, he would have to lift his workrate about 20% just to cover for Tucky.....
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Besides Everiit and Polak don't think there will be much action
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Funny you mention Richo, his favorite band, you guessed it , is Dallas Crane
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Besides Everiit and Polak don't think there will be much action
I reckon there will be plenty of action. All clubs have players this year they want to get rid of. I reckon, Geelong, Bombers and Brisbane will move a few
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I think you can dismiss the following players. Richo, Cogs, Johnson, J Bowden, Deledio, Simmonds, Raines and Polo. (Gasper is also contracted)
Just my opinion.
Who does that leave in the top 10?
Wouldnt be to sure about that! Cogs ??????
I hate this time of year and haven’t really been following things lately, but what does this mean and where has all this come from?
TS, the talk has come from rumours a fan favourite will be traded who still has excellent trade value but that the coaching staff believes won't improve further from what we see now. Our youngsters and more senior players won't be traded so that leaves someone from our mid-age bracket. Now it might not be Cogs as he was coming 2nd in our B&F halfway through this year and Wallace has said recently he hasn't spoken to Mark about a trade. However with Cogs managing that groin instability problem and coming off a torn ACL we can't discount him either. In fact only a handful of Tigers can be classed as safe after a record of 2 wins 9 losses and four 15-20 goal floggings against the top sides. If the club say believes injury has now ruined Cogs career or at least to the point where he won't be able to reach the level he could have free of major injury then I guess we have to trust that call. Now I'm not saying that's the case (I wouldn't have a clue) but just throwing out a scenario where a beloved loyal Tiger like Cogs might be let go to our surprise. What I have heard is one or two Tigers (no names and not Cogs btw) were incapable of following specific instructions from the coaching staff. If that's true then Wallace might very well offload them even if they are popular with fans.
I totally agree TS this time of year if nothing more than a meat market where footballers are treated as just commodities but sadly that's the way the comp works and the players especially those who have been in the system for a few years would be familiar with it. Legally there has to be ways a player can change clubs. With so many possible scenarios over 16 clubs, no-one will know exactly what will happen until 2pm Friday week. Based on history though trade week is dull as with few trades and the 99% of whispers prior to the deadline are just plain crap.
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Send Tuck to Brisbane with a 2nd or third rnd draft pick.
Get Bradshaw to Richmond. :thumbsup
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Besides Everiit and Polak don't think there will be much action
I reckon there will be plenty of action. All clubs have players this year they want to get rid of. I reckon, Geelong, Bombers and Brisbane will move a few
There seems to be more players than usual up for grabs this year but the quality is pretty thin and gaining picks will be difficult unless a club or two are dumb (hint hint Roos and Saints :pray). More sellers than buyers :-\.
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TS, the talk has come from rumours a fan favourite will be traded who still has excellent trade value but that the coaching staff believes won't improve further from what we see now. Our youngsters and more senior players won't be traded so that leaves someone from our mid-age bracket. Now it might not be Cogs as he was coming 2nd in our B&F halfway through this year and Wallace has said recently he hasn't spoken to Mark about a trade. However with Cogs managing that groin instability problem and coming off a torn ACL we can't discount him either. In fact only a handful of Tigers can be classed as safe after a record of 2 wins 9 losses and four 15-20 goal floggings against the top sides. If the club say believes injury has now ruined Cogs career or at least to the point where he won't be able to reach the level he could have free of major injury then I guess we have to trust that call. Now I'm not saying that's the case (I wouldn't have a clue) but just throwing out a scenario where a beloved loyal Tiger like Cogs might be let go to our surprise. What I have heard is one or two Tigers (no names and not Cogs btw) were incapable of following specific instructions from the coaching staff. If that's true then Wallace might very well offload them even if they are popular with fans.
I totally agree TS this time of year if nothing more than a meat market where footballers are treated as just commodities but sadly that's the way the comp works and the players especially those who have been in the system for a few years would be familiar with it. Legally there has to be ways a player can change clubs. With so many possible scenarios over 16 clubs, no-one will know exactly what will happen until 2pm Friday week. Based on history though trade week is dull as with few trades and the 99% of whispers prior to the deadline are just plain crap.
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Excellent post MT
The other thing to bear in mind when considering players from other clubs is how many of us rated Ted Richards last year and now he has gone out and played well in a Grand Final
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What I have heard is one or two Tigers (no names and not Cogs btw) were incapable of following specific instructions from the coaching staff. If that's true then Wallace might very well offload them even if they are popular with fans.
My guess is that would be Hartigan & Tuck.
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The other thing to bear in mind when considering players from other clubs is how many of us rated Ted Richards last year and now he has gone out and played well in a Grand Final
It helps when a player changes clubs to one where he isn't expected to become one of their top 6 players and is played in position. At the bombers they expected him to hold down a key forward position. He goes to the Swans and he drops down the pecking order and plays well in a Granny as a roaming tall off HB.
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It is a tough time of the year for fans - no doubt about that.
Because try as we might we end up getting attached to our players - that is why we are fans
Having said I will admit that this time around I am trying to make myself immune to the idea of blokes getting traded. After the way Cubba Kellaway was cut - I sort of decided it was the best way to be. I suppose in a way it has made me realise that tough calls have to be made and I may not like them or even understand them but at least the club is prepared to finally make them
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Looks like my list of whose not up to it and should be gone and wont ever be RFC premiership players will get a good start lol, I gotta say I feel disappointed when I read stuff like I wont buy this or that or I wont go to games if we trade player x y or z. We gotta support the coach, its his decision and so it should be, hes the one who if he doesnt get success at Richmond will probably never get another gig again. Wallace and Richmond are now inextricably linked and we cant move to any other result other than success coz both the club and the coach need for it happen, If Wallace fails then we'll be stuffed and looking at a Premiership drought that could run for a number years still even after his gone. Wallace must succeed and he needs to be let to make the moves.
I know you’re right in many respects Ramps, and you can be disappointed, but not as disappointed as me. You made your decision about how to follow a team, and I have my own way, which doesn’t come with a switch ‘off’ button for when it suits.
The more I post about things, the more I realise there’s not much about the game or competition that I enjoy. Trade week is one of them. The whole thing seems a bit too contrived and regimented for me, that it takes away the fun of sport. And who ever heard of a contented Richmond supporter before?
Yeah, I know, I need to get in the real world, but I’d rather not. I have my ideals and if I don’t agree with the majority of what I’m experiencing then why would I want to keep hitting my head against a brick wall, ad infinitum, and paying for the privilege, in more ways than one?
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I think you can dismiss the following players. Richo, Cogs, Johnson, J Bowden, Deledio, Simmonds, Raines and Polo. (Gasper is also contracted)
Just my opinion.
Who does that leave in the top 10?
Wouldnt be to sure about that! Cogs ??????
I hate this time of year and haven’t really been following things lately, but what does this mean and where has all this come from?
TS, the talk has come from rumours a fan favourite will be traded who still has excellent trade value but that the coaching staff believes won't improve further from what we see now. Our youngsters and more senior players won't be traded so that leaves someone from our mid-age bracket. Now it might not be Cogs as he was coming 2nd in our B&F halfway through this year and Wallace has said recently he hasn't spoken to Mark about a trade. However with Cogs managing that groin instability problem and coming off a torn ACL we can't discount him either. In fact only a handful of Tigers can be classed as safe after a record of 2 wins 9 losses and four 15-20 goal floggings against the top sides. If the club say believes injury has now ruined Cogs career or at least to the point where he won't be able to reach the level he could have free of major injury then I guess we have to trust that call. Now I'm not saying that's the case (I wouldn't have a clue) but just throwing out a scenario where a beloved loyal Tiger like Cogs might be let go to our surprise. What I have heard is one or two Tigers (no names and not Cogs btw) were incapable of following specific instructions from the coaching staff. If that's true then Wallace might very well offload them even if they are popular with fans.
Thanks MT. Guess I can see things a little differently now that some things have been cleared up.
Using logic for a sec., since 2002, if Cogs has finished 3rd, 1st, 5th and was second in the B&F half way through this season, then how does that equate to a player who can’t follow instructions? If not then there’s some coaches who need to re-think their voting system.
Why do I let myself get sucked into these things? :banghead :banghead :banghead
Ouch.
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I think you can dismiss the following players. Richo, Cogs, Johnson, J Bowden, Deledio, Simmonds, Raines and Polo. (Gasper is also contracted)
Just my opinion.
Who does that leave in the top 10?
Wouldnt be to sure about that! Cogs ??????
I hate this time of year and haven’t really been following things lately, but what does this mean and where has all this come from?
TS, the talk has come from rumours a fan favourite will be traded who still has excellent trade value but that the coaching staff believes won't improve further from what we see now. Our youngsters and more senior players won't be traded so that leaves someone from our mid-age bracket. Now it might not be Cogs as he was coming 2nd in our B&F halfway through this year and Wallace has said recently he hasn't spoken to Mark about a trade. However with Cogs managing that groin instability problem and coming off a torn ACL we can't discount him either. In fact only a handful of Tigers can be classed as safe after a record of 2 wins 9 losses and four 15-20 goal floggings against the top sides. If the club say believes injury has now ruined Cogs career or at least to the point where he won't be able to reach the level he could have free of major injury then I guess we have to trust that call. Now I'm not saying that's the case (I wouldn't have a clue) but just throwing out a scenario where a beloved loyal Tiger like Cogs might be let go to our surprise. What I have heard is one or two Tigers (no names and not Cogs btw) were incapable of following specific instructions from the coaching staff. If that's true then Wallace might very well offload them even if they are popular with fans.
Thanks MT. Guess I can see things a little differently now that some things have been cleared up.
Using logic for a sec., since 2002, if Cogs has finished 3rd, 1st, 5th and was second in the B&F half way through this season, then how does that equate to a player who can’t follow instructions? If not then there’s some coaches who need to re-think their voting system.
Why do I let myself get sucked into these things? :banghead :banghead :banghead
Ouch.
TS, don't apologise for being passionate about the Tiges :thumbsup
Cogs was not one of the players who I was told couldn't follow instructions ;).
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Here is what I would do.
I would try to upgrade our no. 8 to top 4 using Tuck. With that pick you would go for Gumbleton, Hansen or Sellar. A guy you can build a team around. Tuck is a limited footballer, who will not be missed in the long term. Failing that I would get Riewolt.
Why not just get a topline mid, rather than the no 5 or 6 KPP? We have plenty of mids and miller et al have demonstrated the ability to pick them up low in the draft.
No. 26 I would attempt to get Thornton with. I can't believe we aren't chasing hard after this guy!!! Hopefully it is all smoke ane mirrors. Failing that Polak.
Trade one or more of Hyde, Hartigan or Krak for the right player or a second/third rounder. Pick up young mids with the picks we have left.
If Richmond does this it has balanced out it's list in one fell swoop. We now have a spine you can seriously have a tilt at a premiership with over the next couple of years. The problems with ball winning out of the centre will fix themselves as players like Polo, Raines, Meyer, Howat, Foley, Deledio and Tambling gain experience and size.
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Excellent post for your first post. Only problem is that most clubs will try and trade established players in this draft to secure more picks in the top 20 ;)
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AFL trade week info
07 October 2006 Herald-Sun
The rules for AFL trade week.
Starts: Monday 10.30am Ends: Friday 2pm
Officials from the 16 clubs will formally meet on Monday at Telstra Dome from 10.30am to 2.45pm.
Trade rules
1. Clubs can trade a player for a player(s) from another club.
2. Clubs can trade a player for a pick(s) from another club.
3. This year, clubs can trade one or more national draft picks for the selections of another club, without a player involved in the swap.
Last year 13 players were traded from eight of the 16 clubs and 18 draft selections also were exchanged.
National Draft: Saturday, November 25.
All clubs must have at least three selections at the national draft, but there is no maximum. As such, any pick beyond Round 3 is dependent on whether clubs delist enough players to have those selections.
However, any traded selection must be used at the draft.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20538794%255E19742,00.html
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Here is what I would do.
I would try to upgrade our no. 8 to top 4 using Tuck. With that pick you would go for Gumbleton, Hansen or Sellar. A guy you can build a team around. Tuck is a limited footballer, who will not be missed in the long term. Failing that I would get Riewolt.
In that trade or from another I would like us to gain another pick to keep the overall trade period at least "player neutral". Giving up two for one even for a young gun affects your depth in the long run IMHO.
Why not just get a topline mid, rather than the no 5 or 6 KPP? We have plenty of mids and miller et al have demonstrated the ability to pick them up low in the draft.
Based on last year it seems that's Miller's philosophy too. Going for a midfielder in JON at 8 once talls like Kennedy and Ryder were gone. Miller didn't rate Clarke or Hughes as top 10ers. Luckily Hughes was still around at pick 24.
Trade one or more of Hyde, Hartigan or Krak for the right player or a second/third rounder. Pick up young mids with the picks we have left.
Talk of Cogs and Tuck could be a smokescreen for another fan favourite in Hydey. Who knows! :-\ ???
If Richmond does this it has balanced out it's list in one fell swoop. We now have a spine you can seriously have a tilt at a premiership with over the next couple of years. The problems with ball winning out of the centre will fix themselves as players like Polo, Raines, Meyer, Howat, Foley, Deledio and Tambling gain experience and size.
I still think we need to add a classy ballwinning centreman in the Luke Hodge mold to our list of young mids. Perhaps Rainsey will eventually move full-time into the midfield for that role but that might be putting too much pressure on him trying to emulate his dad's efforts instead of just achieving his own destiny.
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A top 5 pick is difficult but if rumours are correct then Brisbane are taking Armitage at 4, for mine Armitage would still be there at 8 so Brisbane could consider a deal of sorts, I havent exactly thought it through anyway Carlton supporters are getting excited with Tuck rumours also many of them believe offers of pick 17 & 19 or 17 & 24 (24 would be a pick generated from Hawthorn for Thornton) could get us to let Tuck go. Anyone consider 17 & 19 or 17 & 24 as worthwhile? These picks would leave us with 8, 17, 19 (or24), 26, 42 and 58.
If the club rates Calib Mourish highly then pick 17 would probably get him given all clubs will most likely use their first rounders on more familiar youngsters from the draft camp. We got picks 12 and 16 for Otto so trading for picks 17 and 19 isn't too dissimilar. I would prefer of course the Hawks coughing up pick 6 to Carlton for Thorton and then us getting that as part of a trade. Maybe get Birss from the doggies with a late pick similar to Paddy last year. Add Hyde or Krak + 42 for Perry + 20. That'd leave us with 5 picks in the top 26 of the draft - 6, 17, 19, 20 and 26.