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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on July 07, 2004, 06:46:28 PM
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As the season is now about judging who stays or goes at the end of the year, I thought we might have a look at each player who's on a knife's edge and get opinions until the end of the season.
What should happen to Gas - stay or be traded - and why?
If he stays on, would doing a full pre-season over summer get him back to pre-knee reco standard or thereabouts?
If you reckon he should go, as he's still contracted for another 2 years, does he still have any trade value and if so what would/should we expect in return if we traded him?
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Wont play this week? :o
Lets just wait and see ;)
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We must lose Dr Who! ;D
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This is a hard one.
For the right trade, you just might take it, but with gasper comming off a knee reco and a bad year getting a quality trade may be difficult and we may end up on the wrong end of a mediocre deal.
About 90% of players comming back from knee reco's generally have pretty ordinary next years, Dean Soloman being the exception to the norm. Next season is going to be the real indicator as to how Gassper is going to measure up to the riggors of football since the reco.
This ones for the betting men, will he fully recover and be how he was and therefore we should keep him or will he never be the same again and while others think he may recover do we bluff and get the best deal that we can while we can, only those very close to gasper will truly know.
I say if we can get the trade we want then do it, otherwise keep for another year and hope for the best.
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Dr Who = Neah
One less passenger this week ;)
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First question is with his contract is he tradeable?
If someone offerd you a 1st round pick and agreed to take say 30% of his salary only (= $180k maybe a year) - you have to ask is that worth it?
I cannot see any team agreeing to take his entire contract - we'd have to pay some part of it. How much is the question.
Second question, will he get any of leap and speed back 12 months after his reco? This seems to be the unknown question.
I'd say if we are going to look at trading a highly paid player then Gaspar migth be the one.
Yeah - for the right deal, that's someone paying at least 50% of his contract. Neah if you cannot get that sought of deal
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We won't get crap all for him I'm afraid. I say keep him, and keep him at Coburg until he earns a spot in the senior team. Hopefully he has a good year next year and we can ship him off then. Now is not the time to get rid of him as the hope for getting anything for him is very slim.
He may be too old to trade if we wait a year, but I think its our only hope. If he can't even get a game this year at Richmond given the rabble we are, other teams won't touch him with a barge pole.
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I agree with Johns assessment.
If either of the 2 WA clubs (or anyone else for that matter) want to trade for an ageing unskilled defender with dodgy knees and on bigger dollars than James Packer, then roll out the welcome mat.
It wont happen,so lets hope he trains hard over summer and has a better year next season and gives us SOME trade value when out of contract.Then clubs may not be so frightened of his lower wage demands a season later.
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I'm inclined to say keep, for the same reasons as Johnafon stated. :P
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Gaspar once a prince, now a pauper
23 August 2004
Herald Sun
Trevor Grant
IT'S the time of year when some AFL coaches start looking backwards and wondering what might have been.
Ah yes, the illuminating value of hindsight.
Richmond coach Danny Frawley called upon it yesterday when he said he might have changed his decision to stay until the end of the season if he knew his replacement would be appointed before he finished up.
"In hindsight, if I knew that was coming down the road, I might have looked at the other way," he said.
"Ideally it would have been great to see (Terry Wallace's appointment) happening after round 22. But it's all been done for the club. It's part of football. You move on."
Frawley might also have summoned a little hindsight as veteran defender Darren Gaspar sat glumly on the bench while Richmond attempted to avoid the ignominy of the wooden spoon yesterday.
Indeed, it seems like only yesterday Gaspar was commanding attention and money in quantities reserved for the superstars of the competition.
In fact, it was late in 2001, after Gaspar had earned all-Australian selection for the second successive year. Fremantle was trying to lure him home, with a $3 million carrot.
Richmond, high on the whiff of success that had suddenly overtaken the club, fought off his WA suitor with everything it had, including about $500,000 deducted from the pay of eight of his team-mates.
Richmond won this battle by paying Gaspar about $2.5 million over five years. Now, using a little hindsight to polish up the glasses, you would have to wonder whether it has lost out big time.
It's a conclusion that is hard to avoid watching Gaspar fumble and stumble his way through a supposedly critical match and end up being dragged out of the contest because he wasn't up to it.
Once he was the prince of full-backs; a sharp, brave, quick-witted, action-man whose preferred method of disposal of an opponent was asphyxiation, especially if you dared try to go one-on-one.
Not only could he shut off the air supply to a full-forward, he could launch counter-attacks with swift, devastating results. Today he is a pale imitation without the pace to keep up, let alone lead the challenge in the back half. There were times yesterday when, amid the frenetic, desperate whirl of battle, Gaspar, 28, looked like a little boy lost.
While others were on fast forward, he was playing in slow motion. He had very limited input yesterday. And in those contests in which he found himself involved, he was picked off so easily.
His reaction time was painfully slow, allowing handballs to be smothered and runs blocked in an instant.
He was so obviously out of his depth that Frawley was merely showing his merciful side by taking him out of the game for the last quarter. And after the game, the coach asked for a little bit of understanding for the defender who won the Tigers' best-and-fairest in 2001, the team's best year under Frawley.
Yet again he pointed out that Gaspar, who had major knee surgery after breaking down last season, was always going to struggle at times without the benefit of last summer's training program. "It's always going to take a pre-season to get back somewhere near his dual all-Australian form," he said.
"When Rob Harvey does a knee you can ease him back through the mid-field. Darren, unfortunately, because of his credits, is always going to play on the dominant forward in the opposition.
"I'm sure the strength in his knee will come back over the pre-season. Maybe we rushed him back a bit early and he lost a bit of confident. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
"I'm sure with a pre-season under his belt he'll be back to somewhere near his best.
"Whether he gets back to that who knows ?"
Naturally it's with the value of hindsight that all the hard questions are now being asked, as Richmond, under new coach Terry Wallace, contemplates the awkward fact that Gaspar still has two seasons to run on his contract.
Most pointedly, how on earth could they have signed him for five years ?
It's a decision which leaves the unpalatable prospect of having a struggling veteran, who's worth little on the market, commanding close to the highest pay-packet in the club.
Of course, at the time, the same people asking the question were lauding the club's initiative in keeping him.
While that may be true, it highlights the dangers of the "buy now, pay later" mentality which so often overtakes football administrators.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,10534175%255E19742,00.html
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While that may be true, it highlights the dangers of the "buy now, pay later" mentality which so often overtakes football administrators.
Hello Mark Brayshaw! :banghead
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I'm glad you said Mark Bradshaw and not Gasper MT.
They should have told Gasper to get on his bike if he was asking that much money, but they didn't - more fool the club for signing him. And bad luck for Gas for doing his knee.
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"Of course, at the time, the same people asking the question were lauding the club's initiative in keeping him"
I'm not sure about that - I wrote to the club at the time and expressed my concerns that we were about to pay him too much - let alone give him a 5 year contract. I don't know anybody who thought thas a good idea - except maybe a couple of directors.
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Hi RonBranton. I wrote to the Club at the time, as well, and said the same thing. But no, Brayshaw wrote back and said how delighted they were to have retained Darren.
Yeah, well I was too, just not at the price we paid. And then Freo gets caught for being over the salary cap. ::)
Nice work. :-\ I hope we've woken up to these sorts of deals now, coz we just dudded ourselves in the past.
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But no, Brayshaw wrote back and said how delighted they were to have retained Darren.
let's look at the positives - at least he wrote back :-\ :-[ :P :help
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KEEP HIM no one will give us a round 1 pick .
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On a more serious note - based on current form even if he was offered for trade I doubt very much anyone would take him. Forget the pay packet, because no matter what we'd have to pay at least part of it, on form alone I'd say we are stuck with him.
Yes Danny...hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it. :'(
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let's look at the positives - at least he wrote back :-\ :-[ :P :help
Good point WP. :thumbsup :P
Have to laugh, about the only thing missing in his reply letter was, "so there, na na na na". :rollin
Classic stuff. ::)
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On a more serious note - based on current form even if he was offered for trade I doubt very much anyone would take him. Forget the pay packet, because no matter what we'd have to pay at least part of it, on form alone I'd say we are stuck with him.
I agree WP. We're stuck with him for another year at the very least whether we like it or not.
There's no contractual obligation for Gas to take a paycut but I wonder if the Club will again ask him to take one given we are reducing our TPP to 97% of the salary cap. When is Gas eligible to be a Veteran? His 10th year at Richmond will be next year so does that make it 2006?
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Keep him and play him at coburg for the next 2-3 years.
stuff him around with his payment big time
Screw him like he's screwed us.
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Tell him to get a haircut.
I still cant figure out if he's modelling his look on Horshak or Mr Kotter himself
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In fact, it was late in 2001, after Gaspar had earned all-Australian selection for the second successive year. Fremantle was trying to lure him home, with a $3 million carrot.
Richmond, high on the whiff of success that had suddenly overtaken the club, fought off his WA suitor with everything it had, including about $500,000 deducted from the pay of eight of his team-mates.
Richmond won this battle by paying Gaspar about $2.5 million over five years. Now, using a little hindsight to polish up the glasses, you would have to wonder whether it has lost out big time.
There’s no doubt the Club stuffed the re-negotiation of his contract. Before the 2001 season had finished, Gas had said that he wanted to stay at Richmond. Once negotiations got under way, after the season had ended, all of a sudden he's homesick.
Obviously his Manager/Agent got involved and the whole thing went pear shaped from there. Gas could have nipped the whole thing in the bud and said he was happy to sign, but didn't, I guess.
All the Club had to do was to say to Gas, 'if you want to stay, sign here', under fair and reasonable terms for both parties, 'otherwise look for another club'.
Instead, it turned into the drama it never had to be. :banghead
This short-sighted, short-term based decision helped make a rod for Gas’ back, not to mention RFC’s, which many knew would happen, but they didn’t seem interested in listening to any of that.
Wonder if they’re interested now, or they probably couldn’t care less, because they’ve moved on to greener pasteurs and those left behind can deal with the fallout.
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Yep, approximately ten good games since the contract signing is not a very good ROI. :banghead
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This might be common knowledge but I didn't know it. Browny on The Gospel on MMM today while chatting about Mad Monday (more like Sunday, Monday, Tuesday ;) ) mentioned that when we play interstate Gas has to fly in by himself on the day of the game. He can't stay overnight with the rest of the team in a hotel with their carpeted floors due to his allergies to dust mites. Sheesh...how are meant to play a game after just being locked up in a plane for at least an hour and to Perth it is 3 hours!? :o.
Browny also mentioned that Hartigan like on-field showed his more senior teammates a clean set of heals on Mad Monday. Bowden and Cambo were soft and went home early ;).
Finally Browny interviewed some bloke as part of his quest to find a personal trainer from a company called "Brutal training". Their speciality is 1/2 hour straight medicine ball sit-ups :gobdrop.
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This might be common knowledge but I didn't know it. Browny on The Gospel on MMM today while chatting about Mad Monday (more like Sunday, Monday, Tuesday ;) ) mentioned that when we play interstate Gas has to fly in by himself on the day of the game. He can't stay overnight with the rest of the team in a hotel with their carpeted floors due to his allergies to dust mites.
Yeah I had heard this MT - it appears it started when he was in Sydney - kept getting crook when he went interstate - that's when they diagnosed the allergy.