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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on February 05, 2007, 04:04:08 PM
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I just heard a rumor that SEN has announced that Mark Coglan has re-injured his knee and is gone for 2007. :banghead :banghead
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f no :o - lets hope not true
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I can now confirm it, i have just listened to Greg Miller on SEN who confirmed that Cogs has re-injured the knee and is gone for the year.
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I just heard a rumor that SEN has announced that Mark Coglan has re-injured his knee and is gone for 2007. :banghead :banghead
I hope not but this could be career ending :'(
Did we run over a black cat or something :banghead
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Just read on BF that he did it 2 weeks ago but continued to train ???.
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Apparently mark slipped in the shower just before christmas and aggravated it. Then according to mark he more than likely twiked it again during a training session in early January and hasn't been right since, but in his own wisdom continued to train with it.
Could be career ending for him, have to wait and see. Team wise however I'm not that worried really, I think that we now have
enough depth to cover his loss. Howat no doubt will now definetly be elevated onto the senoir list.
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:o :o :o :o >:( >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'( :'(
The poor bugger can't take a trick! Oh well I guess there is a silver lining to this very dark cloud in the promotion of Cam Howat from the Rookie list! :thumbsup
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Tragic :'(
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Another reco for Coggo
4:27:07 PM Mon 5 February, 2007
Ashley Browne
Exclusive to afl.com.au
Richmond has been dealt a massive blow on the eve of the 2007 season with star midfielder Mark Coughlan set to undergo a knee reconstruction and miss the entire year.
Coughlan had a knee reconstruction after damaging his ACL during the round 12 clash against Hawthorn in Launceston last year, but the graft failed to heal satisfactorily, meaning further surgery is required.
The operation will take place in the next two weeks.
Coughlan has endured a torrid time on the injury front. The 24-year-old had his 2004 season destroyed by osteitis pubis, but he bounced back superbly in 2005 and the first half of last season before the injury against the Hawks.
And while there was no timetable for his return to the Tiger line-up in 2007, the club was quietly confident he would be in the side for the season opener against Carlton at the MCG on 1 April.
It is the second key injury for the Tigers in a fortnight. No.1 ruckman Troy Simmonds underwent ankle surgery late last month and faces a race against time to be available for the start of the home and away season.
The Tigers open their 2007 NAB Cup campaign against Geelong at Skilled Stadium on 25 February.
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=313688
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:o :o :o :o >:( >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Oh well I guess there is a silver lining to this very dark cloud in the promotion of Cam Howat from the Rookie list! :thumbsup
That is the good thing, we are starting to develop a team that can cover these things. That said we would be a hell of a lot better with a fit cogs up and firing. Must be gutted poor bloke.
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bugger and hes been progressing so well
best of luck for the op cogs and the next 12 months with the rehab
one mans pain is anothers gain
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The thing is Howat would have been promoted anyway as Petersen has OP and has done no training all preseason. Now with Cogs gone for the year another spot opens up. Probably Jake King is the front runner given his Coburg experience over the youngsters Graham and Clingan.
Geez we can't take a trick with injuries to our best players :scream.
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Terrible news
All I heard of Greg Miller on SEN was that Mark saw the surgeon on Friday and was told he needed another reco. Told his team mates this morning
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i have had 3 knee recos, no felt sorry 4 me. maybe i am a hard bast ard but this is a blessing in disguise. cogs may win a hard ball but his disposal esp by foot is way below afl standard. howat will now be on the list for good. he has the skills and polish and is a far better player than cogs. hopefully now he will be traded or delisted next yr cos he is way to injury prone and as i said , does not has the skill level to be in our team if we are fair dinkum about being successful. we have tuck , foley, polo, lids blingers etc to win the hard ball and use it better.
some may say im harsh, some may even think im an a hole, but cogs should have been let go 3 yrs ago, should have been trade to wce when he had market value, now he is worth nothing
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Richmond's Coughlan re-injures knee
February 5, 2007 - 5:09PM
Richmond's 2007 AFL season has been dealt a savage blow, with midfielder Mark Coughlan forced out for the year with a knee injury.
It continues a wretched injury run for the 24-year-old.
After winning Richmond's 2003 best and fairest award as a 21-year-old, he had his 2004 season ruined by groin complaint osteitis pubis.
He then had the second half of last season wiped out when he sustained a right ACL injury in round 12, before revealing he had suffered a repeat of that injury.
"Mark came in and told the players this morning what he found out from the surgeons on Friday night," Richmond football director Greg Miller told sports radio station SEN.
"He's devastated and so are we for him, it's a real shame."
Coughlan will require another reconstruction and will miss the entire 2007 season.
Miller said it was believed the injury occurred when Coughlan slipped in the shower, although the full extent of the damage was not initially clear.
"He had a little slip in the shower before Christmas, he knows he didn't feel quite the same after that," he said.
"He's had a couple of incidents during his rehab where he was a bit concerned about it, but this latest one he didn't feel right during January.
"He kept training, he's such a determined bugger, he thought he'd be okay.
"On examination they think the right thing to do is to go inside and fix the ACL again."
Miller said the sentiments of the players, currently on a training camp at Phillip Island, were of sympathy for Coughlan, rather than concern about the effect his absence would have on their 2007 prospects.
"They've seen him work through osteo, they've seen him work so hard, they know what he's like, he's a real role model for our footy club, for younger players, the way he goes about his whole life," he said.
"Our initial thoughts are for him, but we want to help him through this."
He said Coughlan was likely to be offered a role in the coaching box during 2007.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Richmonds-Coughlan-reinjures-knee/2007/02/05/1170524017301.html
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Can tell you he was offered as trade but no-one wanted him, as his asking price was too much for a player who has numerous injuries. ;)
Was offered to freo but deal couldnt be done
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Slip-up costs Coggo
5:13:36 PM Mon 5 February, 2007
Paul Gough
Sportal for afl.com.au
Richmond midfielder Mark Coughlan's second knee injury may have been caused by the 2003 Jack Dyer Medalist slipping in the shower.
The Tigers revealed on Monday their star on-baller will undergo a second knee re-construction on the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee after first injuring it in the opening minutes of last year's round 12 clash against Hawthorn in Launceston.
Coughlan will miss the entire 2007 season in what is a massive blow to the Tigers' finals hopes, continuing his horror run with injuries since becoming one of the youngest winners of the Tigers' best and fairest award in 2003.
While Richmond football director Greg Miller told Sportal on Monday the club had yet to pinpoint just why Coughlan's knee had failed to heal from the initial operation, he admitted the shower incident may have been a contributing factor.
"There have been a couple of incidents where he said his knee hasn't felt right and there was certainly one before Christmas when he slipped in the shower," Miller said of Coughlan.
"We can't pinpoint yet the exact reason (why Coughlan's knee now requires another re-construction) but certainly Cogs felt the incident in the shower was significant although he was able to train again after that."
Miller said there was no suggestion by the Tigers that the initial operation had not been a success or that Coughlan had overdone his rehabilitation in a bid to reclaim his place in the side for the start of the home and away season in seven weeks time.
"Not at all," Miller said.
"He wasn't doing all the training with the rest of the group, he had just been doing the (running in a) straight line stuff."
"But over the last couple of weeks his knee just hasn't felt right."
Miller said the entire club was devastated for Coughlan, considered to be one of the AFL's most courageous players and one of the most popular players at Tigerland.
"The whole club feels for him, he is a great fellow and not only is this his second knee re-construction but he has come back from a serious groin injury as well."
"As you can expect he just needs a little bit of time out mentally now to deal with this latest setback."
By the end of 2007 Coughlan will have played a total of just 41 games in four seasons since his stellar 2003 season when he burst onto the AFL scene in spectacular fashion, having debuted in 2001.
The 24-year-old Western Australian, who has played 83 games, managed just seven games in 2004 when he was crippled by a serious groin complaint before returning in 2005 when he played a full season.
He then enjoyed an excellent first half of 2006 before limping off in the opening minutes in the round 12 loss to Hawthorn.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=313689
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Can tell you he was offered as trade but no-one wanted him, as his asking price was too much for a player who has numerous injuries. ;)
Was offered to freo but deal couldnt be done
he must be forced to retire, he is a broken down player who just cannot heal properly, unlike say richo who has remarkable healing qualities.
cogs has nothing to offer us no more and on the market is worth peanuts, let him be gone
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Shot to bits. Had a great attitude but wretched luck. Just can't see him getting back from this one and don't want to see us hang on like we did with Draga.
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the pace of the game was already going past him before he did the first one, I wish him well, he was a warrior when we were really crap and he gave supporters hope but I think this would just about be it.
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Shot to bits. Had a great attitude but wretched luck. Just can't see him getting back from this one and don't want to see us hang on like we did with Draga.
draga was worth the risk trying to hang onto. in the end , it didnt help hanging on, but draga was a far better skilled and smarter footballer than cogs. as ramps said, the game passed by cogs b4 , when he had pubic instability.
we should have traded him to WA as soon as he won the JD medal
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i have had 3 knee recos, no felt sorry 4 me.
X, you never won a B&F for the tiges mate thats why!
Coggers was a bright hope in a pretty dark period for Richmond. I hope he can come back, but honestly if he has done it in a slight slip in the shower then you'd have to wonder if the knee is up to it.
Also agree with Ramps, I thought the game was slipping away from him. He didn't even look interested towards the end, his body language was frustrating me, and he was huffing and puffing and giving up on contests.
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Terrible news for Mark and the Tigers.
The reality is the odds really are against him making it back, particularly with a history of groin & ankle problems.
He was going to be the next captain of the RFC at one point but injuries have cruelled any chance of that.
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i have had 3 knee recos, no felt sorry 4 me.
X, you never won a B&F for the tiges mate thats why!
Coggers was a bright hope in a pretty dark period for Richmond. I hope he can come back, but honestly if he has done it in a slight slip in the shower then you'd have to wonder if the knee is up to it.
Also agree with Ramps, I thought the game was slipping away from him. He didn't even look interested towards the end, his body language was frustrating me, and he was huffing and puffing and giving up on contests.
lewis roberts thompson would have won a brownlow 4 us in that yr, ffs, if my knees never caved in and i played for the tigers that yr i would have won one.
cogs won won , but he will be forgotten in no time. he will be like pope john paul I, the pope that was really never the pope, forgotten in no time
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some may even think im an a hole
Cant imagine who'd think that :'(
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Poor bugger :'(
Wish him well in his op, hope everything goes fine. Would like to see him finish his career on a high, not like this :(
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Realistically though, his field kicking was poor last year, this will only set him back further.
For what its worth, i reckon we train much too hard. Too many players are injured at present at thats a real worry.
Even this NAB thing in regards to players earning there spot makes young players peak way too early and by round 14 onwards, they are stuffed.
Dont see the swans or West Coast having too many injury problems lately
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Yes I agree with Jack - it's a bit of a worry.
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Coughlan's year over before season begins
06 February 2007 Herald-Sun
Bruce Matthews
RICHMOND is banking on gun midfielder Mark Coughlan's youth to help resurrect his AFL career after requiring a second knee reconstruction.
Coach Terry Wallace said yesterday the Tigers' 2003 best-and-fairest winner was overdue for a change of fortunes after being ruled out for the entire 2007 season.
"He just hasn't had any luck or any run at all. But . . . he is young enough that he will go through the surgery and get himself right and have another go at it," Wallace said.
Coughlan will have surgery within the next two weeks after re-injuring the repaired right knee in a freakish accident six weeks ago.
"He had a mishap just prior to Christmas when he slipped in the shower at home and felt something give a little bit," Wallace said.
The young Tiger tried to continue his rehabilitation when pre-season training resumed. And he was even talking of stepping up to full training by late January.
However he couldn't put weight on the knee, which required an operation last June to repair a ruptured cruciate ligament.
"He went and had scans done at that point and it looked structurally OK," Wallace said. "But when he came back after Christmas, he had two or three incidents where it just felt unstable.
"On Friday he went to the specialist, who said it was loose, so he has to go back in to have it done again.
"He has had no luck. The first time it was a nothing incident."
Coughlan has struck nothing but trouble since that brilliant 2003 season.
A nagging groin ailment forced him to sit out most of the next season.
He was well on the way to re-establishing himself as an elite midfielder when his cruciate ligament collapsed against Hawthorn in Round 12 in Launceston last year.
Neither Coughlan nor the Tigers' medical staff realised the gravity of the injury at the time, and he even briefly returned to the field.
The shattered young Tiger made the 135km trip to Cowes yesterday morning to give an emotional explanation of his latest setback to teammates.
It cast a pall over the start of the club's three-day community camp on Phillip Island and surrounding south Gippsland centres.
Last month a more hopeful Coughlan said 2007 would be an important year for him.
"I just want to get things right now," he said.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21176658%255E19742,00.html
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Realistically though, his field kicking was poor last year, this will only set him back further.
For what its worth, i reckon we train much too hard. Too many players are injured at present at thats a real worry.
Even this NAB thing in regards to players earning there spot makes young players peak way too early and by round 14 onwards, they are stuffed.
Dont see the swans or West Coast having too many injury problems lately
I wouldn't blame our intensity at training. We didn't train as intense last preseason compared to this or the year before and it didn't make any difference injury-wise. The Swans have hardly had an injury for the past two years even though they've played an extra 6 full-on finals.
I think it's a combination of things. The first best bad luck. I've never seen a side cop more broken bones in a sort period of time as we have. Next the Swans have hardly anyone in their best 22 under 21 years old. We don't have that luxury thanks to past recruiting efforts leaving a massive whole in our mid-age bracket. Cogs' injury at 25 years of age only exaccerbates that problem meaning a youngster will need to fill the void again. It also means despite whatever limitations Cogs has with his kicking that we lose one midfielder from our rotation. Once again a youngster will need to fill that void against top sides with up to 14-16 seasoned midfielders.
Interesting stat in the Australian today saying the Swans and Eagles rotate their players off the bench up to 50% more during the finals than the League H/A average. You need a strong deep list to do that and conserve the energy of the players. Tired bodies are more prone to injury. The Saints are a case in point. Their best 22 is/was top 4 quality but they have poor depth. Grant Thomas road his senior players into the ground to compensate.
I also think skill level has partly to do with it as well. Cleaner skills that hit their mark mean fewer contests especially in modern footy and less exhurtion. Every stray kick or handpass equates to a loose footy up for grabs. Many poorer teams like creating stoppage after stoppage to shut the game down so they don't get blown away.
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i have had 3 knee recos, no felt sorry 4 me.
X, you never won a B&F for the tiges mate thats why!
Coggers was a bright hope in a pretty dark period for Richmond. I hope he can come back, but honestly if he has done it in a slight slip in the shower then you'd have to wonder if the knee is up to it.
Also agree with Ramps, I thought the game was slipping away from him. He didn't even look interested towards the end, his body language was frustrating me, and he was huffing and puffing and giving up on contests.
lewis roberts thompson would have won a brownlow 4 us in that yr, ffs, if my knees never caved in and i played for the tigers that yr i would have won one.
cogs won won , but he will be forgotten in no time. he will be like pope john paul I, the pope that was really never the pope, forgotten in no time
Cogs won his B&F in 2003; not 2004. Should Joel hand back his first one because he played in one of the worst Richmond sides of all time? We did win 6 of our first 8 games in 2003 in spite of Spud's coaching ;). All of us hacks wouldn't get near an AFL list, even Carlton's lol, let alone winning a club B&F.
Losing Cogs to injury during his prime years sets us back even taking into account his deficiencies. 80 games of experience and leadership lost.
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draga was worth the risk trying to hang onto. in the end , it didnt help hanging on, but draga was a far better skilled and smarter footballer than cogs. as ramps said, the game passed by cogs b4 , when he had pubic instability.
we should have traded him to WA as soon as he won the JD medal
Draga was not fit to polish Coughlan's balls
When he was fit Coughlan was still our best midfielder imo, despite his limitations. Will be missed, just as Tony Free was.
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I also have concerns with the training regime, especially of players like JON- Slight and lean in stature etc. The slight aboriginal boys cant be slaughtered on the track atleast not in the first 2 preseasons. Whats the point, JON hasnt done a preseason at all...we need to be more professional in this regard.
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Yes I agree with Jack - it's a bit of a worry.
Yep, I kinda agree with Jack as well and that's a real worry :rollin
But if the players don't get the mileage in their legs etc doesn't that create another set of problems fitness wise during a season?
Wouldn't it be better to run them hard over summer and taper off at some stage to get them through the season?
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They need miles in the legs but the speed they are doing it in is a real concern,
They slaughted Tambling in his first year at Tigerland ,and now young Kids like JON are walking around on crutches. ::)
We train too hard. The amount of injuries we have is a joke.
If you all remember, we used every player on our list lasy year, why ? Injuries. Heaps of soft tissue through bodies overworked.
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Realistically though, his field kicking was poor last year, this will only set him back further.
Have to say I agree with Jack and X here - I reckon his kicking since he had the OP has been poor. It had no penetration and as a result he kicked high floaters. Also I reckon his pace suffered terribly (not that he was that quick to begin with) after the OP but that is all secondary now - massive ask to come back from 2 knee recos.
For what its worth, i reckon we train much too hard. Too many players are injured at present at thats a real worry.
Even this NAB thing in regards to players earning there spot makes young players peak way too early and by round 14 onwards, they are stuffed.
Dont see the swans or West Coast having too many injury problems lately
Another good point Jack.
With the Swans it is clear they don't really give a rats about the NAC Cup - where we are so desperate to win something, anything; that I reckon we train hard for it and late in the season we pay for it.
To be honest the thing that really concerns me with this injury is the fact that Cogs didn't say anything when it first happened. Why? He's coming back from a reco, he's hurt it and and it doesn't feel right but he keeps training.
I don't get it :-\ ??? :-\
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They need miles in the legs but the speed they are doing it in is a real concern,
They slaughted Tambling in his first year at Tigerland ,and now young Kids like JON are walking around on crutches. ::)
We train too hard. The amount of injuries we have is a joke.
If you all remember, we used every player on our list lasy year, why ? Injuries. Heaps of soft tissue through bodies overworked.
Not saying our youngsters aren't trained hard but we had heaps of non soft tissue footy related injuries as well that were more costly:
Browny - Broken leg recovery
Newman - Broken leg
Cogs - ACL
Thursty - ACL due to collision
Schulz - Broken collarbone
JON - Broken collarbone
Meyer - Broken bone in foot
Hartigan - Broken bone in foot
Kellaway - hammy while surfing
Roach - Broken jaw
Soft tissue ones:
Chaffey - OP
Gas - knee
Richo - knee drained
Casserly - OP
Jacko - hammy
Browny - hammy
Moore - groin?
Razor - groin?
Knobel - groin?
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What a fickle bunch we are, everyone loved him a few years ago. I hope he doesnt come in and read some of the posts, dont get me wrong everyone is entitled to their opinion. My wish is all the best to him over the next twelve months so he can come back as good as can be and prove us all wrong by winning another B/F.
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To be honest the thing that really concerns me with this injury is the fact that Cogs didn't say anything when it first happened. Why? He's coming back from a reco, he's hurt it and and it doesn't feel right but he keeps training.
I don't get it :-\ ??? :-\
And Cogs did the same thing during the Hawks game. Hurt his knee, went off and then came back on before it completely went on him.
Another thing that stood out for me in terms of training was that Cogs just had compression bandages around his recovering knee while over at the Dogs training Murphy still is wearing some sort of proper knee brace even when kicking the footy. Now Cogs knee may have gone anyway anytime soon as the graft hadn't come good like it should have but slipping in a shower when you're coming back from a ACL is something that should be avoidable :-\.
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Are we trying too hard to get to where we need to be?? Has Wallace been pressured by the club and sponsors to reduce his 5 year plan with the result players being pushed too hard during training in an attempt to achieve success too early? There are a lot of expectations for this season which may result in our undoing on the injury front.
Just like everyone here, I too want to see a premiership sooner rather than later but even if it takes another 20 years I will still be a tiger supporter through and through. Sponsors however may not be so forgiving and the board will be pressured to ensure revenues from memberships and gate takings continue their upward trend. Ultimately it is the coach and the players responsibility to perform and as others have said, I just hope we don't peak to early. The Cats are a classic example from last season.
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What a fickle bunch we are, everyone loved him a few years ago. I hope he doesnt come in and read some of the posts, dont get me wrong everyone is entitled to their opinion. My wish is all the best to him over the next twelve months so he can come back as good as can be and prove us all wrong by winning another B/F.
Not really fickle is it seeing he's probably been paid $200k+ p.a. to be pretty schit at his job for the last two years. Couldn't give a stuff if he moves right along really - he's had the time of his life and he's hardly poor, people have to pick themselves up and start again in all walks of life.
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Try $325,000 plus a year.
Now how many people here earn that sort of money.?? Dont all post at once, the server could got into melt down :lol
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They get paid that kind of money for this exact scenario. Potentially finished at just 25 with injuries that'll effect them for the rest of their life.
Are we trying too hard to get to where we need to be?? Has Wallace been pressured by the club and sponsors to reduce his 5 year plan with the result players being pushed too hard during training in an attempt to achieve success too early? There are a lot of expectations for this season which may result in our undoing on the injury front.
Just like everyone here, I too want to see a premiership sooner rather than later but even if it takes another 20 years I will still be a tiger supporter through and through. Sponsors however may not be so forgiving and the board will be pressured to ensure revenues from memberships and gate takings continue their upward trend. Ultimately it is the coach and the players responsibility to perform and as others have said, I just hope we don't peak to early. The Cats are a classic example from last season.
Not sure if the word is pressure but there's probably a want within the Club to achieve some success (meaning finals) before Richo and the other oldies retire. Once they are gone we'll probably dip down the ladder for a couple of years again until Lids and his generation reach there mid 20s and we'll be able to focus purely on long-term success with our core then at the right age (unlike now) and plenty of quality youth still coming through.
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Try $325,000 plus a year.
Now how many people here earn that sort of money.?? Dont all post at once, the server could got into melt down :lol
Over 3 years I do. :lol Less tax of course.
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They get paid that kind of money for this exact scenario. Potentially finished at just 25 with injuries that'll effect them for the rest of their life.
Not really. The players union might have some miniscule role in controlling salaries, but they get paid that money because its a competitive market and there are lots of consumers (us) who are willing to pay thru our arzes. I can't imagine Andrew Demetriou sitting back saying 'lets pay our employees so that they have an better life after footy if they get injured' any more than he might say 'lets pay them more because trade qualifications are becoming more attractive to kids'.
The bloke is set for life, is a celeb, has travelled the world, prob r00ted more hot women than i've had hot dinners and at last check had a pretty nice girlfriend, all on a six-figure salary and living out his boyhood dreams. Think I'll save whatever sympathy I have for a more worthy recipient.
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And Cogs did the same thing during the Hawks game. Hurt his knee, went off and then came back on before it completely went on him.
Another thing that stood out for me in terms of training was that Cogs just had compression bandages around his recovering knee while over at the Dogs training Murphy still is wearing some sort of proper knee brace even when kicking the footy. Now Cogs knee may have gone anyway anytime soon as the graft hadn't come good like it should have but slipping in a shower when you're coming back from a ACL is something that should be avoidable :-\.
Yeah I saw the pic of Murphy in the HUN the other day. Didn't Rehn wear one of those braces when he came back from reco number 2 or 3, same with Primus?
I wonder if the wearing a brace/not wearing the brace has to do with how severe the original injury was.
They say Will Thursfield's knee was a "bad one" and that Cogs wasn't.
I wonder if that's what they mean when they described some blokes as having "ruptured their ACL" as opposed to having "snapped their ACL".
The other thing I was wondering was - how do they monitor if the graft is healing well? MRI or something else? And what can they do if the graft is not healing properly.
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They get paid that kind of money for this exact scenario. Potentially finished at just 25 with injuries that'll effect them for the rest of their life.
Not really. The players union might have some miniscule role in controlling salaries, but they get paid that money because its a competitive market and there are lots of consumers (us) who are willing to pay thru our arzes. I can't imagine Andrew Demetriou sitting back saying 'lets pay our employees so that they have an better life after footy if they get injured' any more than he might say 'lets pay them more because trade qualifications are becoming more attractive to kids'.
The bloke is set for life, is a celeb, has travelled the world, prob r00ted more hot women than i've had hot dinners and at last check had a pretty nice girlfriend, all on a six-figure salary and living out his boyhood dreams. Think I'll save whatever sympathy I have for a more worthy recipient.
True about the competitive market controlling the $$$ in the game Jake but Andy D would know that with no deal with the AFLPA there'd be no players, no comp. Similar to what happened with World Series Cricket. Part of that AFLPA agreement would contain $$$ as part of the players' salaries to compensate for the risk of serious injury. In the past VFL footballers played for the love of the game no matter what while working full-time jobs but in the professional era of speed, bigger bodies and harder collisions, players want their share and given the massive $$$ pumped into the game from TV rights I don't begrudge what they earn. We shouldn't return to the days of Royce giving 10 years of heroics and enjoyment to Tiger fans while getting basically sweet FA in return except for two totally stuffed knees for the rest of his life.
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Yeah I saw the pic of Murphy in the HUN the other day. Didn't Rehn wear one of those braces when he came back from reco number 2 or 3, same with Primus?
I wonder if the wearing a brace/not wearing the brace has to do with how severe the original injury was.
They say Will Thursfield's knee was a "bad one" and that Cogs wasn't.
I wonder if that's what they mean when they described some blokes as having "ruptured their ACL" as opposed to having "snapped their ACL".
The other thing I was wondering was - how do they monitor if the graft is healing well? MRI or something else? And what can they do if the graft is not healing properly.
I'm no doctor but I'd reckon they have to redo it if the graft isn't healing properly. The knee would be unstable. Wallace said tests showed Cogs' knee was structuredly ok so obviously the scans didn't pick up the problem :(.
Thursty only wore a compression bandage around his knee too before having the pins removed despite the horrific nature of the way he did his knee. Rehn did wear a brace by the time he had done his knee a few times. Primus had what looked like a mattress around his leg.
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I don't begrudge what they earn.
Thats fair enough mate. I'm more reacting to the outpouring of sympathy. I've no more sympathy for the footballer who gets injured than the merchant banker who works 100 hours a week 51 weeks a year and ends up in an institution.
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What happens with Cogs' contract?
Does he get an automatic one-year extension to his existing contract due to his season being written off through another ACL? Didn't Rodan receive one after doing his knee ???.
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What happens with Cogs' contract?
Does he get an automatic one-year extension to his existing contract due to his season being written off through another ACL? Didn't Rodan receive one after doing his knee ???.
Rodan did get the one year automatic extension, so Cogs should too. I think it's covered in the CBA.
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lets hope cogs does the right thing by richmond and retire!!!
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What happens with Cogs' contract?
Does he get an automatic one-year extension to his existing contract due to his season being written off through another ACL? Didn't Rodan receive one after doing his knee ???.
Rodan did get the one year automatic extension, so Cogs should too. I think it's covered in the CBA.
Cheers FF :).
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Dont see the swans or West Coast having too many injury problems lately
;)
"West Coast's intra-club match at Subiaco Oval on Friday evening has come at a price, with classy defender Mark Nicoski dislocating his shoulder during the gruelling hit-out." - afl.com.au
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Although at the past 2 grand finals, they have most of there gun up and running.
Think of our team over the past few years, we have limped in the last few rounds of the year
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Although at the past 2 grand finals, they have most of there gun up and running.
Think of our team over the past few years, we have limped in the last few rounds of the year
No depth and nowhere near enough decent let alone A-grade midfielders meant too much was left to too few. These few are stuffed by the second half of the year as niggle after niggle builds up through the year. At Richmond it's been like that for the past decade. Even if they become superstars, if we think a midfield of just Lids, Tambo, Foley and Polo will give us success over the next decade then nothing will change. You need now 12 midfield rotation at least these days. The Eagles, Swans and Doggies would have 16. In West Coast's case that includes Cox :-\.
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I was just reading the EOTT articles on Cogs and Sean Callender mentions Luke Darcy and how Cogs has age on his side in terms of making a comeback from two knee recos. Made me think if there was any midfielder that come back from two knees? David Schwarz had 4 knees reconstructions and Shaun Rehn came back from a couple but they were both talls. Off the top of my head I can't think of one midfielder ???. Did Greg Williams do his knee once or twice?
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I was just reading the EOTT articles on Cogs and Sean Callender mentions Luke Darcy and how Cogs has age on his side in terms of making a comeback from two knee recos. Made me think if there was any midfielder that come back from two knees? David Schwarz had 4 knees reconstructions and Shaun Rehn came back from a couple but they were both talls. Off the top of my head I can't think of one midfielder ???. Did Greg Williams do his knee once or twice?
Shaun McmAnus?
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Tigers keen for injured Coughlan to take mentoring role
Steve Butler
West Australian
February 16, 2007
RICHMOND midfielder Mark Coughlan has been offered a match-day role in Terry Wallace's coaching box this year as part of his rehabilitation after a second season-ending knee injury.
The Tigers' 2003 club champion was devastated to learn last week that he would need his second knee reconstruction in eight months. It is believed the latest blow could have been caused by a slip in the shower before Christmas.
Coughlan met Wallace and Richmond football manager Paul Armstrong yesterday and was offered several roles within the club, including a match-day position and mentoring younger players.
The star 24-year-old is expected to visit his surgeon early next week and will have his latest reconstruction within a fortnight. He is then expected to tell the club of his decision on what role he will play during the season.
Coughlan had battled groin soreness for most of 2004 and was getting back to his best when he injured his right knee when playing against Hawthorn in round 12 at Launceston last year.
Armstrong said: "He was in this morning and his spirits were good. When we were down at the community camp we told him we'd have some opportunities to be involved if he wanted to be.
"We set those out for him today and if he wants to take them up, that's really up to him. We still want him to have a strong connection with the group, whether he's always doing his rehab here or elsewhere."
Coughlan has played 83 games in six seasons at Richmond since being recruited from Perth. His contract runs out at the end of the season, but Armstrong said that issue would not be discussed until after his operation.
Richmond has an intra-club match tonight.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2007/02/15/1171405370183.html
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I was just reading the EOTT articles on Cogs and Sean Callender mentions Luke Darcy and how Cogs has age on his side in terms of making a comeback from two knee recos. Made me think if there was any midfielder that come back from two knees? David Schwarz had 4 knees reconstructions and Shaun Rehn came back from a couple but they were both talls. Off the top of my head I can't think of one midfielder ???. Did Greg Williams do his knee once or twice?
Shaun McmAnus?
He was a pain in the butt last year when we last played Freo :scream
You're right fwoy. Two knee recos in his first 4 years of AFL. Mcmanus was a few years younger than Cogs as well at 21.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/08/12/1154803146297.html
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Coughlan has played 83 games in six seasons at Richmond since being recruited from Perth. His contract runs out at the end of the season, but Armstrong said that issue would not be discussed until after his operation.
I'm confused now. That doesn't sound like an automatic contract extension. ???
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Coughlan has played 83 games in six seasons at Richmond since being recruited from Perth. His contract runs out at the end of the season, but Armstrong said that issue would not be discussed until after his operation.
I'm confused now. That doesn't sound like an automatic contract extension. ???
That doesn't make sense to me either FF. Is that code for he might retire if the graft doesn't take again? ??? :(
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That doesn't make sense to me either FF. Is that code for he might retire if the graft doesn't take again? ??? :(
I was thinking that maybe it's code for we don't have to guarantee a contract extension because it's not in the CBA but Clubs usually give them.
Or ...
We'll talk to him straight after the op when high and painkillers and we can get him to sign at half the price ;D :rollin
But like you I am confused :-\
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Best of wishes to Cogs who has his op today.
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All the best Cogs! :cheers
:gotigers
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coughlan will get a contract at the end of this year with us ... 1 or 2 year contract ...
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coughlan will get a contract at the end of this year with us ... 1 or 2 year contract ...
I'm fairly sure the club won't offer him anything until they see how his recovery is going.