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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on March 10, 2007, 09:19:23 PM
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Aim is to state where you think we will finish 2007. State the range, then the position and give your reasons.
Ranges available
1st to 4th;
5th to 8th;
9th to 12th;
13th to 16th.
My range is 13th to 16th
Finishing Position = 14th
Tough Draw
We're Not Good Enough Yet to Play Finals
Poor Pre Season gives lack of Confidence
R1 is everything, if we win- maybe a 9th to 12th finish is possible, if we lose its bad news for the season.
Midfield not capable of competing with top 8 teams
Defence is average
Scoring pressure is questionable.
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10-11th. Still a bit ordinary, capable of something but way behind the leaders (as are all Vic teams). Last year's 9th was partly due to other Vic teams falling apart.
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13th - 16th
Finishing 13th
I think that we have a long way to go before we can compete for a finals spot.
-Skill level is still a MAJOR issue, you cant turn the footy over like we do and expect to win.
-Depth is still lacking, When Richo doesnt play there isnt anyone else to dominate up forward.
-Ruck: Simmo is a major factor in our team, if he comes back well from injury then we may push higher but we cant rely on Knobel and Patto to get us through.
-I also dont think we have improved like some of the other teams such as Carlton, North, Essendon etc they all seem a lot more exciting this year than we do.
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13th-16th,
Position 13th
Basically not good enough with several players over rated Eg Schultz, Hyde, etc etc etc
Cant expect Richo to keep kicking goals either.
Reckon that Foley is the only geniuine midfielder we have.
No back up whatsoever for Simmo
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everyone is forgetting this is just the pre season
last yr we were on fire in the pre season and look what happened!!
we will finish 6-8th
my pred 6th!
ps i still have faith, terry is using this pre season vastly for experimental purposes
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We finished 9th last year, pretty much easily accounting for most of the sides that finished outside the 8.
I can not see how they could all improve so much and we go backwards, wouldn't be a good sign for TW and the boys if that ends up the case.
Remember previous pre-seasons who won the NAB cups and how did they go ?
Reserving my judgement until after Carlton Stkilda Collingwood Bulldogs - That first four rounds should sum up the season we are in for.
I would say anywhere between 6th and 12th ATM
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I am hoping for 5th to 8th - likely 7
But gee after yesterday I'm think 9th-12th - likely 10th
Feeling this way at the moment simply because of our skills - in particular turnovers - we have way way too many. The other things is our runnng is not hard enough run out of the backline and maybe that has something to do with the fact that when we come storming out of the back half there is no one up forward because our entire team is in the back half of the ground :banghead
But .....
If everythng is working and everyone is playing well then it's a different story.
So simple answer for now is - give me a week to thin :rollin about it
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I am hoping for 5th to 8th - likely 7
But gee after yesterday I'm think 9th-12th - likely 10th
Feeling this way at the moment simply because of our skills - in particular turnovers - we have way way too many.
Ditto. Yesterday was bottom 4 skills.
The first 6 rounds where we play 5 games at the 'G will give us a better idea than the preseason games. We would want to be 3-3 at least.
Btw Tony Shaw reckons we'll win the wooden spoon ::).
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Btw Tony Shaw reckons we'll win the wooden spoon ::).
Well Tony knows a bit about wooden spoons - he was also lamenting today that he should have taken the Carlton job when he was offered it instead of staying at the Pies as an assistant to Leigh Matthews :wallywink
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Btw Tony Shaw reckons we'll win the wooden spoon ::).
Well Tony knows a bit about wooden spoons - he was also lamenting today that he should have taken the Carlton job when he was offered it instead of staying at the Pies as an assistant to Leigh Matthews :wallywink
LOL
Shaw taught his assistant Spud everything he knows :wallywink
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5th to 8th.
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- Players stepping up/coming back/aquired we didnt have for most of last year. Howat, Schulz, Polak, Brown, Thursty , Newman and potentially Kingsley. Apart from AK, who of substance have we lost? ???
- Foley and Tambo looking good.
- First 5 at the MCG gives us a good start, tough back-to-back at AAMI with 6 day break but can bounce back since 8 day break after that.
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Defensive Midfield pressure.
If Simmonds goes down there is no one really capable of backing him up.
Bit of a tough draw, harder than most.
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I'd go 5th to 8th with us finishing 7th I think this year might be the most even season in a long time so we really need to keep tabs on our for and against as I reckon 6 teams could be vying for 7 & 8 with just a couple of rounds to go.
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I really don't know where we're going to finish. I'm stumped. Anywhere from 3rd to 15th. Is there a category for that?
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If we beat Carlton in Round 1 we will be in the mix and finish somewhere between 6-10. Tough draw may take its toll but nevertheless we will be competitive and just make it or just miss out.
If we lose to Carlton in round 1 we will finish somewhere between 12-14 with no more than about 8 wins.
I think beating Carlton in Rd 1 can start us off well. Playing Sydney at the G in round 2 will help us as they are traditionally very slow starters.
Its a fine line between plaeasure and pain one way or another.
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My range is 9th to 12th
Finishing Position = 10th
Still too young.
The older guys will really have to lead from the front, if they can perform well pretty much all year, then the younger guys will grow and play better and by the end of the year I reckon we'll be on a bit of a roll and fighting for 8th, but percentage will again keep us out.
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The RFC site has a poll going on where do you think Richmond will finish on the ladder at the end of the 2007 season?
1 – 4 (45) 12%
5 – 8 (212) 54%
9 – 12 (103) 26%
13 – 16 (29) 7%
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the new site is shocking.
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$3.15 for the 8 now, too good to refuse $100 on and the pressure is on.
I will get 20 back as some stupid pies supporter bet they would finish higher - lmao :lol
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Tigers will finish 8th.
We will win 12 games, and our percentage will be about 98%.
Lock it in Eddie
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They will finish 7th but I'm really hoping that I'm wrong and they finish higer. The reason behind this is, in Mildura the young Tigers were running on and creating open player to go to. And they were there attacking in packs of 3 and keeping the ball in our hands. And when the Pies got it they made them move the ball to the flanks. And the only reason why we won by only 7 point is cause the other mob done the flood. :gotigers
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12-13th
Simple answer - not enough class in the midfiled.
Our senior on-ballers in Tuck, Johnson, Tivendale, Hyde and Krakouer are probably the worst in the competition. When you think about it these 5 are our most experienced midfielders, and Johnson is our no.1 tagger. Who is gonna make the play? Who is gonna create? Who is gonna grab a game by the throat and win it off their own boot? Simple answer - None of the above.
We can't rely too much on the likes of Foley, Deledio, Polo and Tambling to carry us to finals. People like to fantasise but it won't happen. These kids are 2-3 years away from making a strong impact, however I have my doubts on most of them.
In order to be competitve against the better midfields our better senior players in Bowden, Brown and Newman must help out in the midfield. But Terry is reluctant to play them so that's why we'll struggle big time.
I can still remember the Bulldogs, Swans, Saints and Eagles floggings we copped last year. Cast your mind back. Don't try to erase these memories. We had absolutely no answers in the midfield. None at all. The opposition were doing as they liked. We looked like we didn't belong there. Tuck, Hyde, Krak and Tivendale can't compete with these guys.
Sure we're gonna scrounge a few wins here and there, against the bottom teams with our desperation and determination when our backs are against the wall, but when the big boys come out to play, we might aswell not waste our time and energy. The cream always rises to the top, and untill we put the limited cream we have in the middle, then we will always fall in a heap.
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20th March Ladder Predictions
Sydney 15-20 (Wins)
Western Bulldogs 15-20
Adelaide 15-20
Fremantle 15-20
Geelong 15-20
St.Kilda 10-15
West Coast 10-15
Richmond 10-15
Port Adelaide 10-15
Collingwood 5-10
Melbourne 5-10
Hawthorn 5-10
Brisbane 5-10
Essendon 5-10
Carlton 0-5
Kangaroos 0-5
i want on a ladder predictor and did every match and this is what i got ...
i am not confident about this ladder ... but there are some surprises ...
i think western bulldogs are too high ... but there draw seemed easy ...
i am tipping sydney for top ...
west coast are very low ... but i think that is wrong ... they should win more ...
having us at 8th is nice ... but i don't think so ...
geelong and st.kilda should be in the 8 with western bulldogs ...
so my 7 would be ... (in no order) ...
sydney, west coast, adelaide, fremantle, geelong, st.kilda, western bulldogs ...
8th place is up for grabs ...
port adelaide, melbourne, collingwood, richmond, hawthorn are the contentors ...
hopefully that ladder is correct !
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20th March Ladder Predictions ... 18th June ...
Sydney 15-20 (Wins) ... could reach 15 wins
Western Bulldogs 15-20 ... no ... maybe 12-13 wins
Adelaide 15-20 ... no ... maybe 12-13 wins
Fremantle 15-20 ... ROFL ... i was fooled like most people ... 7-9 wins
Geelong 15-20 ... on track ... 1 correct ...
St.Kilda 10-15 ... LMAO ... overrated ... mayn't make finals ...
West Coast 10-15 ... not bad ... should finish with more then 14 wins ... half correct ...
Richmond 10-15 ... ROFL ... give them hope ... and got slapped !!!
Port Adelaide 10-15 ... round there ... 2 correct ...
Collingwood 5-10 ... i believe will drop off ... but can make finals 10-12 wins ...
Melbourne 5-10 ... OVERRATED TEAM ... willn't make finals ... 5-8 wins ...
Hawthorn 5-10 ... surprised everyone ... 12-14 wins ...
Brisbane 5-10 ... 3 correct ... they aren't that good ...
Essendon 5-10 ... another OVERRATED TEAM !!! ... willn't make finals ... drop off !!! 8-10 wins
Carlton 0-5 ... just 1 more win and the 1st pick is ours !!! half correct ... 5-6 wins ...
Kangaroos 0-5 ... LMAO ... very wrong here !!! ... but kangaroos willn't make finals ... finish 9th ... 10-11 wins ...
i want on a ladder predictor and did every match and this is what i got ...
i am not confident about this ladder ... but there are some surprises ...
i think western bulldogs are too high ... but there draw seemed easy ...
i am tipping sydney for top ...
west coast are very low ... but i think that is wrong ... they should win more ...
having us at 8th is nice ... but i don't think so ...
geelong and st.kilda should be in the 8 with western bulldogs ...
so my 7 would be ... (in no order) ...
sydney, west coast, adelaide, fremantle, geelong, st.kilda, western bulldogs ...
8th place is up for grabs ...
port adelaide, melbourne, collingwood, richmond, hawthorn are the contentors ...
hopefully that ladder is correct !
i don't like Essendon or Kangaroos or Melbourne ... don't want these teams to make the eight ...
so 9th, 10th and 11th ...
hopefully we finish last with 4 wins ... carlton with 5 wins ...
no point in winning 7 matches now and finish 10th-12th ... go rock bottom and get rid of more players !!!
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Thanks for dragging this up torch (NOT) :-[
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13th - 16th
Finishing 13th
I think that we have a long way to go before we can compete for a finals spot.
-Skill level is still a MAJOR issue, you cant turn the footy over like we do and expect to win.
-Depth is still lacking, When Richo doesnt play there isnt anyone else to dominate up forward.
-Ruck: Simmo is a major factor in our team, if he comes back well from injury then we may push higher but we cant rely on Knobel and Patto to get us through.
-I also dont think we have improved like some of the other teams such as Carlton, North, Essendon etc they all seem a lot more exciting this year than we do.
Nothing changes much for me except the fact that we wont be finishing 13th ::)
We certainly need to go down the path of the bombers and north and inject some explosive half forwards into our team. Peterson maybe one but i think we also need another. Someone like an Alwyn Davey etc
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Aim is to state where you think we will finish 2007. State the range, then the position and give your reasons.
Ranges available
1st to 4th;
5th to 8th;
9th to 12th;
13th to 16th.
My range is 13th to 16th
Finishing Position = 14th
Tough Draw
We're Not Good Enough Yet to Play Finals
Poor Pre Season gives lack of Confidence
R1 is everything, if we win- maybe a 9th to 12th finish is possible, if we lose its bad news for the season.
Midfield not capable of competing with top 8 teams
Defence is average
Scoring pressure is questionable.
Am I the clubhouse leader or did anyone predict lower than 14th?
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13th-16th,
Position 13th
Basically not good enough with several players over rated Eg Schultz, Hyde, etc etc etc
Cant expect Richo to keep kicking goals either.
Reckon that Foley is the only geniuine midfielder we have.
No back up whatsoever for Simmo
My predictions with Foley are right
Forget about Simmo for the rest of the season I reckon, will make little impact when does play due to missing so much work
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What is really amazing that 66% of supporters thought we would make the eight ::) . Either they dont follow they game or have become to beleive in the pre-season spin doctoring ::)
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What is really amazing that 66% of supporters thought we would make the eight ::) . Either they dont follow they game or have become to beleive in the pre-season spin doctoring ::)
here we go again
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What is really amazing that 66% of supporters thought we would make the eight ::) . Either they dont follow they game or have become to beleive in the pre-season spin doctoring ::)
here we go again
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I honestly find it amazing that the expectations of supporters was so high.
Sorry if you offended
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What is really amazing that 66% of supporters thought we would make the eight ::) . Either they dont follow they game or have become to beleive in the pre-season spin doctoring ::)
here we go again
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I honestly find it amazing that the expectations of supporters was so high.
Sorry if you offended
hey jack, im not offended, no where near offended. i have posted many times this yr is over and its time to forget results and just watch the kids develop
it just the whole thing is getting stale, we all know what u think and feel, you dont need to harp on it every day, you remind me of me regarding tivendale :lol
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Tiv kicked four on the weekend. :thumbsup
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What is really amazing that 66% of supporters thought we would make the eight ::) . Either they dont follow they game or have become to beleive in the pre-season spin doctoring ::)
here we go again
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I honestly find it amazing that the expectations of supporters was so high.
Sorry if you offended
Not offended as does anyone treat these polls with any seriousness. Every one of these preseason polls no matter what club usually favour finals. Most clubs with their best 22 on the park every week and at top form would be able to sneak into the 8. Many mediocre sides in the AFL including the ones that just scrape into the finals. These sides usually have poor depth so if they cop a few injuries to key players or players drop away in form, fitness, etc then down they go. Melbourne the perfect example.
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Tiv kicked four on the weekend. :thumbsup
why did i start laughing when i read this thread and then saw that Jacko had written. Smiley was good value to lol.
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Tiv kicked four on the weekend. :thumbsup
That's going too far on the positive side ;D
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I thought we could make the eight at the beginning of the season. Not because I thought we were so great, but based on where we finished the year before and the fact I didn't rate many other teams (still don't). We've been pretty competitive, except we haven't won.
So it's been a disappointing year, but hardly surprising when you're rebuilding a club from top to bottom, you're without your ruck division which hardly anyone seems to acknowledge, your seniors are useless or not available and you just have young exciting kids who seem to be carrying the side.
Unless we can do some miraculous recruiting at the end of the year, next year I expect much the same as we lose more seniors and get more kids.
After that I think we should start climbing the ladder again and see us winning again. Unless of course we get another coach who thinks topping up a list with past-their-used-by-date players is the way to go which a certain individual loves to do :banghead
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Tiv kicked four on the weekend. :thumbsup
so he should have
he was playing v a team with no afl players in it at all!
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And he only played a half, has to be a certainty to play this Friday.
Go Tiv :thumbsup
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And he only played a half, has to be a certainty to play this Friday.
Go Tiv :thumbsup
we will have no chance to win then lol
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I am hoping for 5th to 8th - likely 7
But gee after yesterday I'm think 9th-12th - likely 10th
Feeling this way at the moment simply because of our skills - in particular turnovers - we have way way too many. The other things is our runnng is not hard enough run out of the backline and maybe that has something to do with the fact that when we come storming out of the back half there is no one up forward because our entire team is in the back half of the ground :banghead
But .....
If everythng is working and everyone is playing well then it's a different story.
So simple answer for now is - give me a week to think :rollin about it
:cheers :cheers gee I hedged me bets beautifully there :clapping
I thought we'd make the 8 but new that everything had to be spot on - the stars need to be aligned. Nothing seems to been aligned this season on the injury front - no numero uno ruck, no backup rucks, no class player (read brown) until round 12 :-\ - see the stars just haven't aligned :thumbsup
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Have just had a quick look out the window for you WP.
Your right , the stars arent aligned. Cant see the jug/saucepan tonite either. Moon is there though :thumbsup
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Can you see Uranus?
Apparently got Terry Wallace's boot mark on it and has aligned with the man from Mars. 8)