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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Moi on March 27, 2007, 06:57:45 PM
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Caro says Terry says we値l finish ninth, based on his formula re age :o
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Caro says Terry says we値l finish ninth, based on his formula re age :o
What coach would come out and say their side will finish ninth ???. Is Caro just applying this age formula herself?
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What coach would come out and say their side will finish ninth ???. Is Caro just applying this age formula herself?
Straight from Terry's mouth she said. I'm not sure whether he's just using us as an example of our list and where he thinks we realistically should be at. All the same, I agree with you MT, and was flabbergasted he let that one come out of his mouth :help
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What coach would come out and say their side will finish ninth ???. Is Caro just applying this age formula herself?
Straight from Terry's mouth she said. I'm not sure whether he's just using us as an example of our list and where he thinks we realistically should be at. All the same, I agree with you MT, and was flabbergasted he let that one come out of his mouth :help
So if we happen to make the finals this year will we have over-achieved then ???. I just can't believe it in the context Caro says. A big boo-boo by Plough if he was that explicit.
By the way, SEN will be replaying in a minute Wallace's interview with KB from this morning.
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Wallace tips top decade
28 March 2007 Herald-Sun
Damian Barrett and Michael Stevens
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace says opportunity will knock for the Tigers in 2009, with a "decade of opportunity" to kick in from 2011.
"What opportunity that is, no one knows, but, certainly, it will be a time for us when two age brackets (of players) meet," Wallace said.
Wallace yesterday revealed detailed planning relating to Richmond's current and future playing list.
He said successful clubs needed many of their good players in the 22-26 age group.
"That's the age bracket that wins premierships," said Wallace, entering his third year as Tigers coach.
A graphic accompanying his plans suggested the club prediction for this season was a ninth-placed finish.
"A holding pattern," Wallace said of Richmond's current state. "Whether that be ninth, seventh, fifth, 10th, we don't know. We expect improvement, whether that's finals, who knows?"
Wallace and other key Tigers executives yesterday predicted a bright future for the club, with revenue streams improving yearly.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21459776%255E19742,00.html
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Can tell you all that Caro and Terry meet regularly for a chat so that article would be correct.
Is Terry buying more time perhaps ?
I would if I was getting the dolllars he is getting .
I am peeved right off now if the coach is saying that we will be 9th.
Oh dear.What the
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Well if its by his "formula" there isnt much he can do about it.
But what would he know! :wallywink
:gotigers
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Can tell you all that Caro and Terry meet regularly for a chat so that article would be correct.
Is Terry buying more time perhaps ?
I would if I was getting the dolllars he is getting .
I am peeved right off now if the coach is saying that we will be 9th.
Oh dear.What the
i dont think he tells the public what he really thinks
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Can tell you all that Caro and Terry meet regularly for a chat so that article would be correct.
Is Terry buying more time perhaps ?
I would if I was getting the dolllars he is getting .
I am peeved right off now if the coach is saying that we will be 9th.
Oh dear.What the
i dont think he tells the public what he really thinks
Hey X, thats twice in 2 days I agree with you :gobdrop
Can tell you that he didnt think we would make the finals last year either.
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Plough's trying to hose down expectations and to be honest he is right what he is saying but stuff like this shouldn't need to be said in public. It's the board who appoints the coach and the board who sacks him. That's who the coach only needs to convince. If we are too afraid the board will cave in again at the very first sign of supporter/coterie discontent and unrealistic expectations then the Club sadly hasn't changed from the past 25 years.
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By Patrick Smith - The Australian.
Must say it's one of Patrick's better efforts ;D
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Wallace puts Tigers within reach of passion matching conviction
LOTS of things make football clubs nervous. Wobbly balance sheets, wobbly knees, wobbly committees. Practiced media can almost smell the panic. Coaches get curt, players get caught, fans are gutted, games are lost.
Not many years ago Richmond talked to the media about how it would rise again and become the powerhouse it surely was between 1967 and 1974 when the club won four premierships and claimed another in 1980.
But not one thing the club said was convincing. There was a plan to turn Punt Road Oval into a hub that would drive the suburb of Richmond and bring in rich new revenue streams. The coaching panel thought the recent poor seasons were done with and a new era beckoned. It was said with passion but not conviction.
You left the boardroom warmed by the club's enthusiasm but cool to its vision. Sure enough worse seasons followed, $2million losses were recorded, personnel left. Just as Carlton was last year, the Tigers had become the competition's village idiots.
Richmond met the media again yesterday. First thing you noticed was a sense of security.
Coach Terry Wallace is into his third year, chief executive Steven Wright his fourth. Football operations manager Paul Armstrong was Wallace's right-hand man at the Bulldogs. Director of football Greg Miller has begun his fifth year at the club. No village idiots here.
Sponsorship runs at just under $4m, an increase of 34 per cent from 2004 and membership is tipped to top 30,000. The club expects to make more than $1m profit this season. Three years ago it lost $2.2m. Debt has been cut to $3.5m, a trimming of 33 per cent in the past two years.
The annual interest bill has been reduced by more than $200,000 and a $7m refit of the Punt Road Oval will begin at the end of the season. Most importantly the football budget has been lifted to a new high of $12m.
Wallace, into his third year of a five-year contract, has Richmond's future plotted out to 2016. The club finished ninth last year, winning as many matches as it lost. But it was two games and a slab of percentage short of making the final eight.
"There will be improvement this year but it might not reflect on the ladder," Wallace said yesterday. But for a run of three years from 2008 - a period the coach tags Opportunity Knocks - he believes Richmond has a chance to play off for a flag. Fortunes might falter for a while after that but it will only be brief.
Then it is take-off time up to 2016.
Wallace has plotted the Tigers' resurgence as meticulously as Wright has drawn up his budget. His optimism is based on list management. At the moment Richmond's list is on the turn. It is heavy at one end and heavy at the other. It lacks weight in the middle, the basket that holds players aged 22 to 26.
These are the players who have gained the experience, have miles in their legs and kilos on their bodies to be at their very best.
A perfect example, said Wallace, is the development of Kayne Pettifer who has played his best football in the past two years - at the age of 24 and 25.
This season the Tigers have five players aged 29 alone and 14 in the 22-26 bracket. And they have six teenagers. When Wallace thinks the Tigers might have a chance for a flag in 2009, he will have 22 players in the middle bracket. In 2016, he sees his list at its peak with 28 players in the 22-26 age group.
It is not as simple as working out your players' birthdays. Coaching must be at its very best and the recruiters must be able to pick the very finest talent available every time they get their chance at the draft. And there must be luck.
The club's 2003 best and fairest winner Mark Coughlan will miss another season, this time with a knee injury.
And players must improve. The Tigers have recruited Graham Polak, let go by Fremantle at the end of last year. Polak was the Dockers' first pick in the 2001 draft and fourth selection overall. He is 22 and falls into Wallace's magic bracket.
Given he under-performed at Fremantle, Polak came at a risk. But Wallace said yesterday he was one of the club's best tall players, with soft hands that make him a superior mark. Importantly he has grown stronger and more confident.
Richard Tambling is 20 but he was the Tigers' second pick in the 2004 draft. The Tigers preferred him to Lance Franklin, the brilliant tall who has captivated Hawthorn supporters. But the news is good with Tambling, too. "He will develop into a strong inside mid-fielder. He will have an impact," Wallace said.
"He can go in and get the ball and get out the other side. Not in every game, not yet. But that will come maybe next year."
Then there is Andrew Krakouer who, at 24, is seven short of 100 games after making his debut in 2001. He has not had the fitness to run consistently through the mid-field and Wallace has been forced to plonk him in a forward pocket. That will change this year. Krakouer's fitness level has been raised significantly but so has the club's expectations.
The club has again entrusted the on-field leadership to Kane Johnson. The respect the football department has for him is palpable. And it irks it that some have tried to link Johnson with the illicit drugs controversy.
"He is clean. Absolutely," Miller said with force.
So Wallace and his team have a plan and a vision. So that's the easy bit done.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21459025-12270,00.html
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What coach in their right mind would predict an accurate placing on the ladder before a ball has been kicked??
Terry is a smart operator and as X said, there's no way he would let the press know his real gut feeling. The ninth position quote is probably designed to take some of the pressure off our young players by publicly expressing an achievable goal.
As far as regular chats with Caro goes.........Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. ;) 8)
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Sheesh another positive article about Richmond by Patrick Smith. Clinton Casey and his golf course has alot to answer for lol.
Richard Tambling is 20 but he was the Tigers' second pick in the 2004 draft. The Tigers preferred him to Lance Franklin, the brilliant tall who has captivated Hawthorn supporters. But the news is good with Tambling, too. "He will develop into a strong inside mid-fielder. He will have an impact," Wallace said.
"He can go in and get the ball and get out the other side. Not in every game, not yet. But that will come maybe next year."
How we miss someone in the guts who can cut loose. Exciting stuff ahead for the Tiges if he gets to that stage of leaving everyone around him for dead.
Then there is Andrew Krakouer who, at 24, is seven short of 100 games after making his debut in 2001. He has not had the fitness to run consistently through the mid-field and Wallace has been forced to plonk him in a forward pocket. That will change this year. Krakouer's fitness level has been raised significantly but so has the club's expectations.
This will cause a fair bit of OER debate ;D. I think we'll wait to see this before believing it.
The club has again entrusted the on-field leadership to Kane Johnson. The respect the football department has for him is palpable. And it irks it that some have tried to link Johnson with the illicit drugs controversy.
"He is clean. Absolutely," Miller said with force.
Che! Wasn't Caro targetting Wayne Johnson? ???
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People buy memberships in the hope we'll play finals. Be nice to get over the 30,000 for a change, but if ppl see the coach doesn't think we'll make the finals, why bother.
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I look at it this way.
You are paid to do a job, just do, forget about writing in newspapers,etc.
I dont know anyone who gets $600,000 a year, now that $3,000,000. over 5 years and wants to say the success is some four years away-still . Now thats a good plan to suck someone in for another contract i reckon and the way they hand out contracts at punt road ( eg Tambling) i reckon he will get an extension to his contract.
Also I reckon his selections in the 2005 and 2006 drafts is looking a bit wobbly at present. (except Deledio)
I reckon the supporters I talk too are beginning to doubt him
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When Wallace made his presentation, he would have outlined how he could turn us around within the 5 years of his contract.
Now it seems that he is doubting himself.
Wallace is and always will be a Overated DUD.
Eade would have been the better choice, without doubt.
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Can't you guys give it a rest.
We know your opinion - you don't like him. Stiff - live with it!
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Have it your own way, Jack.
This board is going to be so much fun having to put up with this on every thread.
But you know best ::)
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Come on Moi,
Surely Wallace's comments are annoying to all Richmond supporters.
The reaction on SEN was testament to that.
I cant believe that he has basically written our chances off this season before playing a game.
Wouldnt see Rocket Eade doing that.
FFS i doubt Danny Frawley would have done it.
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Wouldnt think that Terry is on Grahman Smorgon Xmas list either
I think you mean David Smorgon - Jack. ;D
Graham Smorgon (ex Blues president) would probably send Tezz a Xmas card - the rest of the Carlton board no but Tezza YEP
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And to think Danny got us to within 6 goals of a grand final playoff in 2001
now u have p issed me off
dont u dare praise danny
that yr was a total fluke
btw , i have many cousins who are doggy fans, and they all love terry and still wish he was there
u r so fos at times with ur no it all bs wink wink here wink wink there
get over
terry is realistic, and bull says he had a 5 yr plan to get richmond on top, bull has no f idea what terry planned 4 this club, he was not in the interview room when he was applying 4 teh job
facts are he took over this club when it was in the worst state in our history stuffed up totally by dudly spudly, 16 str8 losses or something like that.
and in 2 f yrs he has done a tremendous job
and jack and bull , all u can f do is criticise him.
ffs, no other coach in australia could have done or doa better job than what he has done so far.
give it a f rest, this is not the antic terry forum, so f off , leave us alone cos im pretty sure everyone not just me is over all ur f pessimistic bs
IF U stuffing HATE TERRY AND DONT LIKE OUR TEAM F OFF!
ROME WAS NOT BUILT IN 2 DAYS
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Come on Moi,
Surely Wallace's comments are annoying to all Richmond supporters.
The reaction on SEN was testament to that.
I cant believe that he has basically written our chances off this season before playing a game.
Wouldnt see Rocket Eade doing that.
FFS i doubt Danny Frawley would have done it.
ROCKET IS AN OVERRATED COACH
ASK ANY SYDNEY FAN!!!
AS FOR DANNY, HE CAN EAT MY CRUD!
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I look at it this way.
You are paid to do a job, just do, forget about writing in newspapers,etc.
I dont know anyone who gets $600,000 a year, now that $3,000,000. over 5 years and wants to say the success is some four years away-still .
Whether rightly or wrongly, part of Plough's appeal to the Club was he would generate plenty of exposure and as a result improve our bottom line. He is not just getting paid to coach. We are 2,000 members ahead of this time last year. That's around $300k up just there.
Also I reckon his selections in the 2005 and 2006 drafts is looking a bit wobbly at present. (except Deledio)
I reckon the supporters I talk too are beginning to doubt him
Lids was drafted in 2004 ;).
Seriously, apart from saying it publicly, what in what Plough has said is off the mark?
People underestimate how totally stuffed up our list was at the end of 2004. Spud and Beck totally screwed it. I would add Geisch in there too. If you take out the 2000 draft (where we got Petts, Cogs, Newy, Krak and Hyde), we ended up with just 6 players remaining by 2005 from something like 40+ picks from the 1997-99, 2001-2 drafts. And people wonder why we have hardly any quality 22-26 year olds on our list. On top of that just 1 tall (Schulz) was drafted in 5 drafts under Spud. Absolutely unforgiveable :banghead.
Wallace was given 5 years to get the list back into balance so we can sustain a successful period, rather than the one finals appearance, get flogged twice and then not see us for 6 years. We need the majority of our list to be in it's prime early-mid 20s; not all oldies and U21's like we've had the past 2 years. That takes time. If the kids developed quickly we might have got a brief sniff by 2009 while the oldies were still around but that's being optimistic.
And to say we were only 6 goals off a GF spot under Spud is laughable. We were annihilated by the top 2 sides during the year and in the finals and that SF win against Carlton was one of worst games of finals footy ever. It was that "just one game off a GF" attitude that gave us Hudson and Houlihan :help.
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Its not about liking or disliking.
What has been said in the paper in the last 24 hours is a disgrace,
How do you think the players feel ?
Well the coach doesnt think we can make the finals, what the heck.
Maybe the players will learn that while they can't hit a target properly from 20m away nor use that thing inside their skull for decision making or fail to work hard off the ball, they will continue to just miss the finals :whistle. Maybe supporters will remind themselves we only won 2 out of 12 games against the top 8 sides last year and finished daylight (2 wins plus %%%%%) behind the dogs in eighth spot.
We can still make the finals if everything goes right but it would be hardly a surprise either if we didn't. We're one of those middle-tier teams b/w 6th and 13th.
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You got to be cruel to be kind.
Telling the players they are premiership quality won't do us any good.
Frawley crippled us, it's going to take a long time to build a good core group of players.
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Eade on SEN just before spoke about the last two articles Plough wrote about the dogs. Said a couple of bulldog players came to him upset about the first one (why did he leave us if he rates us). The second one Eade said he had a chuckle. Thought when he first saw the headline it was going to be about trying to pump up the dogs tyres to get them ahead of themselves. But it was nothing. As for the one about us he said all coaches try to tone things down at times out of self-preservation.
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Frawley crippled us, it's going to take a long time to build a good core group of players.
Glad you see it Wayne :thumbsup
There's a lot of thickheads who don't ;)
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Eade on SEN just before spoke about the last two articles Plough wrote about the dogs. Said a couple of bulldog players came to him upset about the first one (why did he leave us if he rates us). The second one Eade said he had a chuckle. Thought when he first saw the headline it was going to be about trying to pump up the dogs tyres to get them ahead of themselves. But it was nothing. As for the one about us he said all coaches try to tone things down at times out of self-preservation.
plough from what i know left because the doggies wanted tocut total funding in the footy department and they wanted plough to sack some of his assistants. from what i know , plough said no way , we need more money more assistants, from there he was told to comply and he said bye bye
but the doggie players are right, he does love them and its about time he started hating them and loving us, i have a feeling once some of our dud are gone and we are a total new team that he has groomed his passion 4 us will grow
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For all those who hate Terry doing media work on gameday, he'll be interviewed by SEN before the game on Sunday lol.
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Dermie's view on Terry's position
TERRY WALLACE Richmond
A VERY simple read on the Tigers: Terry has sold them a very long-term plan and the board has bought it. Its plan is to put long-term faith in Terry's long-term plan. As long as their youngsters improve and they are competitive, it doesn't really matter where they finish. Wallace will be there next year.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21471970%255E19742,00.html
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Eddie said on 3aw he read Plough's article with interest and reckons Collingwood are a bit like Richmond with few 22-26 players due to poor recruiting in the early 00's. Interesting there were no follow questions or fuss about it given Eddie and Malthouse oversaw that poor recruiting unlike Wallace at Punt Rd.