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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on April 28, 2007, 06:02:36 PM
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Johnno will cop a fine over bagging the umps today in the aftermatch press conference. He said he wants the holding the ball rule clarified because Eagle players were simply dropping the ball whenever we tackled them. That was true but big brother forbids any criticism of the umpires ::). Sugar said he had talk to the umps at half time but it didn't improve in his opinion. Wallace had to cut Sugar off but saying let's now talk about the game.
I'm glad Sugar spoke out. Something needs to be said about these idiots spoiling a good game. Sure our errors cost us the game but the standard of umpiring today was disgraceful. Inconsistent plus >:(. Why bring back a ump who has no idea ::).
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Most inspiring thing he's done all year.
Well done.
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well done sugar :clapping :clapping something had to be said because those maggot bastard mutha f's cost us teh game along with missed set shots and a couple of players who showed today that they dont deserve to wear our jumper
i think tery was smart too and will get a please explain for his comment with the hidden message saying the umpires were on the eagles side whe he said something along the lines of .... there would have been alot of non richmond supporters at the game today who just love watching west coast play!!!!!
well done terry, you outcoached woosha today and no loss is a good loss but today we showed true grit and showed some very good signs!!
we hate losing but today was ok
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Just got back and I have never posted it before BUT that umpiring was absolute shizenhousen, you just cant touch the prikx ... NOT HAPPY JAN :banghead
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And while we are handing out these :clapping
a big well done to Jimmy Brayshaw who reported told Danny DUD Frawley to "F" off on air today around half time for Dudley's constant bagging of the Tigers today :thumbsup
Well done Suga - I'm happy to contribute to any fine - you had the courage to publicly say what everyone at the ground was thinking today :bow :bow :clapping :clapping
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Skipper gets stuck into umpires
by Adam Cooper, AAP
RICHMOND captain Kane Johnson has launched a stinging attack on the performance of the three umpires in Saturday's loss to West Coast at the MCG.
Johnson was clearly annoyed at the performances of Stuart Wenn, Shaun Ryan and Troy Pannell, who awarded the Tigers 13 free kicks to West Coast's 29. He was particularly aggrieved with the umpires' interpretations of the holding the ball rule in the Tigers' 14.15 (99) to 11.10 (76) loss, and accused them of lacking consistency and leaving players confused and frustrated.
Johnson gave the umpires a serve as both sides left the field at half time and then gave them a spray after the game.
"I just had a word to them," Johnson said.
"It was down and out, it was just unbelievable the amount of free kicks they (the Eagles) were getting compared to ours.
"I just mentioned it to them (the umpires) maybe they should have a look at it.
"I'm not sure what it ended up at the end of the game but it was out of whack, I think.
"A lot of the times with the holding the ball rule they were inconsistent and a lot of tackles we put on they (West Coast) were just dropping the ball but they (the umpires) just let it go," he said.
"Then when we did it, they called holding the ball. It just wasn't right.
"I think they've got to have a good look at it and hopefully they get it right next week.
"It's frustrating because sometimes they let it play on and then other times they call it straight away and it's just all over the place.
"I just hope they do get it right because it causes a lot of frustration among the players out on the ground."
Richmond coach Terry Wallace was also critical of the umpires, but was a lot more cryptic when he said: "I thought most people at the game who were non-Richmond people really enjoyed seeing West Coast here."
West Coast also had some concerns with the umpiring, as Tyson Stenglein was reported for making front-on contact on Richmond's Richard Tambling in the first quarter.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=42192
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Why bring back an ump who has no idea ::).
To our game again, too. :help
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There goes 20 grand ::)
But well done Sugar :clapping :thumbsup
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Normally it would be around a 2 grand fine but because Sugar basically said the umps blantantly favoured the Eagles he'll probably cop a lot more even though he was just telling the truth. These prima donas are wrecking the game and the AFL make them beyond criticism when deserved.
And while we are handing out these :clapping
a big well done to Jimmy Brayshaw who reported told Danny DUD Frawley to "F" off on air today around half time for Dudley's constant bagging of the Tigers today :thumbsup
Is there audio of this somewhere? :rollin :clapping
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@%*$....the umpiring was shatful in the swans game too...interstate favourtism?....thanks sugarpot for saying what we all know...heaps of respect for you bro...demetriou and all his buddies are really beginnining to test my levelheadedness....this coupled with our absolute pitiful execution of basic skills and decision making cost us an against the odds win...
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It worked for James Hird.
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@%*$....the umpiring was shatful in the swans game too...interstate favourtism?....
More like the same umpire No. 31 umpiring both games ::). He was dropped after the Swans game in the first place because he didn't have a clue about holding the ball. So what does Geischen do - brings him back for another Richmond game and once again holding the ball decisions become a russian roulette farce :scream ::). Just like a number of footballers in the modern game we now have umpires who are more athletes than real umpires.
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Kane Johnson in umpire trouble
30 April 2007 Herald-Sun
Daryl Timms
THE AFL will decide today what action to take over Richmond captain Kane Johnson's outburst on the lopsided free kick count in Saturday's game against West Coast.
The Tigers conceded 29 free kicks to the Eagles' 13.
As well as his extraordinary outburst after the game, Johnson is also in trouble for approaching and questioning the three umpires - Stuart Wenn, Shaun Ryan and Troy Pannell - at halftime.
The stuff figure at halftime was also lopsided, with a 17-6 count in favour of the Eagles.
The breakdown of the frees awarded against Richmond were: holding the man (nine); holding the ball (seven); push in the back (six); high tackle (five); throwing the ball (one); and tackling after the opposition had disposed of the ball (one).
Four West Coast players were pinged for holding the ball; three for holding the man; three for pushes in the back; two for high tackles; and one for an illegal shepherd.
The league football department is expected to review film of the free kicks to determine whether the correct decisions were made.
An AFL spokesman said yesterday Johnson's behaviour at halftime and his comments after the game would be discussed at today's football operations meeting.
A decision would then be made whether to fine Johnson or ask him for a "please explain" over the two incidents.
Asked after the game why he had approached the umpires, Johnson said: "I just had a word to them. It (the stuff count) was standing out.
"It was just unbelievable the amount of free kicks they were getting and I just mentioned to them that they should have a look at it.
"I am not sure what it ended up, but it was just out of whack.
"I think a lot of the times the holding-the-ball rule was inconsistent and a lot of tackles we put on, where they were dropping the ball, they let go, whereas when we did it, it was called holding the ball.
"It's just all over the place. I just hope they do get it right because it causes a lot of frustration from players out on the ground."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21642993%255E19742,00.html
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(http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5465113,00.jpg)
Free, what free?: Kayne Pettifer, and the Tigers, didn't have a good day with the umpires. Picture: Michael Dodge
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21641229%255E19771,00.html
Nice subtle photo and caption in the Herald-Sun to make out we are just whinging ::)
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I won't be surprised if Sugar cops a heavy fine and No. 31 gets dropped again. The AFL like sending out contradictory messages.
SEN said Sugar should use Michael Voss as a defence. Voss is still listed with Brisbane despite retiring yet made criticism of the umpiring during the Sydney v Melbourne game. No please explain there.
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Andy D was on Footy Classified and said he wasn't happy with Sugar's umpire comments but Adrian Anderson hands out the punishment.
Sugar and the RFC has received two "please explains". One for Johnson talking to the umps at half-time and the other for Sugar's aftergame comments. Andy also brought up that there'll be a fine because we had been warned last year about approaching the umps.
Caro reckons it could be $10,000. $5,000 a pop.
Andy D then went on about how so many experienced umps are out injured and the inexperienced ones are still learning the caper given the game is so much quicker. We'll soon be going to 4 field umpires.
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Gieschen at odds with Johnson
01 May 2007 Herald-Sun
Mark Stevens
AFL umpires' boss Jeff Gieschen has given a pass mark to the whistle-blowers in Saturday's Richmond-West Coast clash.
Gieschen stressed the performance was no worse than average, and far from a bad day at the office for the umps.
The appraisal comes despite the protestations of Richmond captain Kane Johnson, who on Saturday criticised the umps for inconsistency.
Richmond has been sent a "please explain" for Johnson's comments. A fine for a first offence is $5000, with the maximum penalty $10,000. The club, not Johnson, will be liable for any penalty.
A review of the game by the umpiring department yesterday found West Coast had been awarded 30 free kicks to Richmond's 14.
"It wasn't a bad day out (for the umpires)," Gieschen said.
"There's a large discrepancy, but that's irrelevant.
"What is relevant is whether they are correct free kicks.
"There's nothing to say at the end of the day the free kick tallies need to be the same.
"Free kick tallies are based around which team infringes the most. It wasn't a bad day out (for the umpires)."
Gieschen said the game review revealed Richmond had received two unwarranted free kicks and West Coast three.
Of Richmond's four frees for holding the ball, one was deemed unwarranted. West Coast's seven frees for holding the ball were all ticked.
The umpires have come under scrutiny for holding-the-ball calls, but Gieschen said decisions were made on strict criteria.
He said players could not drag the ball under packs without making an attempt to dispose of it and again stressed that players with no prior opportunity had to make an attempt to dispose of the ball when tackled. Umpires have concerns about players wrapping the ball to their chests, gambling on the umpire calling for a ball-up, rather than risk disposing of the ball and causing a turnover.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21649861%255E19742,00.html
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Umpires admit holding error, but Tigers left holding the bag
Michael Gleeson | May 1, 2007
The Age
THE umpires who awarded West Coast twice as many free kicks as Richmond last Saturday had made an error with the holding-the-ball rule, a review has found.
But the error was not as Tigers captain Kane Johnson and the black-and-gold army suspected. In fact, Richmond was given one too many free kicks for holding the ball.
The AFL umpires director, Jeff Gieschen, said the review of the match, which yielded 30 free kicks to West Coast and 14 to Richmond, delivered a favourable report of the umpires' game.
"We were happy with the effort — it was an average performance, it was not a bad game, it was not a fantastic game," Gieschen said.
He said umpires coach Rowan Sawers reviewed each of the holding-the-ball decisions after Johnson said the inconsistency of the rule had mystified players.
"West Coast received a total of seven holding-the-balls and they were all correct … and Richmond received four free kicks against West Coast for holding the ball and one of those was unwarranted," Gieschen said.
"So in terms of holding the ball, 11 were paid and we had one error and that was an unwarranted to Richmond. So they picked up one they should not have got."
Gieschen said the raw stuff count was irrelevant to the umpires' performance. What mattered was accuracy.
"It was 17-6 at half-time and finished up 30 to 14 but there is nothing to say stuff counts have to be even. stuff counts are based around what is presented to the umpire in the game. There is nothing to say they need to be even or nothing to say they need to be close," he said.
"What is relevant is were there major errors one way or the other? And at the weekend, there were not major errors one way or the other, it was just Richmond infringed more than the West Coast Eagles."
Richmond was sent a letter yesterday asking the club to explain comments by Johnson after the match when he noted the free kicks were "out of whack".
On the statistics alone, Johnson was right and although he said what each Richmond player and Tigers fan felt at the game, it might not be sufficient to save him from an AFL fine.
Gieschen, a former Richmond coach, said the umpires had made errors on free kicks for both teams but nothing out of the ordinary.
"Certainly, we had some errors to Richmond and we had some errors to West Coast we had a couple of missed free kicks for the Eagles and a couple of missed free kicks for Richmond. We paid Richmond some unwarranteds and we paid West Coast some unwarranteds but that is typical of any game," he said.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/umpires-admit-holding-error-but-tigers-left-holding-the-bag/2007/04/30/1177788056201.html
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Tiger, Blue out of order
01 May 2007 Herald-Sun
Derek Humphery-Smith
RICHMOND'S Kane Johnson and Carlton's Brendan Fevola are unlikely to share a great deal in common, Derek Humphery-Smith writes.
However, their teams both suffered disappointing losses at the weekend and sit in the lower regions of the ladder.
One has been called an inspiring leader and the other a flawed genius.
Sadly, both will be quickly regarded as whingers if they repeat their pathetic attempts to criticise the umpiring of their weekend matches.
Johnson's performance at the media conference after the Tigers' loss to West Coast deserves a significant fine from the AFL.
Tigers coach Terry Wallace may have looked uncomfortable sitting next to Johnson, but he didn't step in to prevent the unfounded criticism. This criticism came after Johnson approached the umpires at halftime as they tried to leave the arena.
Good theatrics if you are a Richmond supporter, but baseless antics to any knowledgeable football follower.
The stuff count was in the Eagles' favour by nearly three to one. But so what? How many of those free kicks were errors? On my assessment, not many.
If anything, both sides appeared to have free kicks missed and both sides had an equal number of unwarranted free kicks paid in their favour.
In the end, Richmond might have had one (maybe two) free kicks go against them compared with West Coast.
The far greater focus for Johnson and Wallace should be the undisciplined performance of some of their players.
Let's hope Johnson was not trying to deflect the spotlight from Richmond's ordinary start to the season or his own performance, which has been only average compared with his stellar 2006.
Either way, he can expect a hefty fine from the AFL if it is true to its commitment to protect the umpires from this sort of criticism.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21649862%255E19742,00.html
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Geischen the dill missed the whole point of our complaint ::). The Club's complaint was not with the actual frees paid but with inconsistency of decisions especially holding the ball/illegal disposal.
The Club should make a CD of decisions not paid to us and called play on such as Eagle players just dropping the ball when tackled. Send it into the AFL and Geischen for their own please explain.
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Geischen the dill missed the whole point of our complaint ::). The Club's complaint was not with the actual frees paid but with inconsistency of decisions especially holding the ball/illegal disposal.
The Club should make a CD of decisions not paid to us and called play on such as Eagle players just dropping the ball when tackled. Send it into the AFL and Geischen for their own please explain.
giesh is a dumb bastard. u r right mt, teh point was not the frees they paid , but all the ones they missed and did not pay.
tgim watson is baging the articles and teh giesh this morning on sen, saying he does not listen to a word the giesh says anymore cos he makes no sense!
you watch the umpires kill us v geelong this week! the a hole gieshen should be sacked and he is trying his hardest to destroy us cos we sacked him
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So the club gets fined because someone doesn't know how to do his job properly? You've got to be joking!
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Geischen the dill missed the whole point of our complaint ::). The Club's complaint was not with the actual frees paid but with inconsistency of decisions especially holding the ball/illegal disposal.
The Club should make a CD of decisions not paid to us and called play on such as Eagle players just dropping the ball when tackled. Send it into the AFL and Geischen for their own please explain.
Youv'e posted exactly what I was thinking when I was ready it, the problem is how many duffers are going to fall for it and call us sooks ::)
But like youv'e said before, I don't really care what anyone else thinks. Just hope it opens the umps eyes a bit (not holding my breath tho) :banghead
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Giesh says that it was no different to most games, then how come it was so noticeable.
Even Giesh is not allowed to bag the umpires.
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To me the probelm is the umpires want to be part of the "show" not just one of the props. This were the game has gone wrong by putting microphones on them and making them think they are a important part of the entertainment. The best game you can watch is a game that you do notice these guys but that never happens anymore (they wont let it). The whole standard of umpiring has gone bad (not just tigers games) and all the tinkering with the rules over the last five to ten years hasn't helped one bit.
Take a step back AFL and watch some replays of older games, listen to the fans and don't just say the game is getting better because more people go or because you get more TV dollars. Its not.
My 2 cents
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Spot on Fluffy.
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Who else can tell that Jeff Gieschen was molested as a young boy ?
Rather obvious really.....I thought.
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This is the standard response they come out with whenever there is a public criticism of umpires. All they do is change the names and churn it out. And people accuse Terry of media spin....
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To me the probelm is the umpires want to be part of the "show" not just one of the props. This were the game has gone wrong by putting microphones on them and making them think they are a important part of the entertainment. The best game you can watch is a game that you do notice these guys but that never happens anymore (they wont let it). The whole standard of umpiring has gone bad (not just tigers games) and all the tinkering with the rules over the last five to ten years hasn't helped one bit.
Take a step back AFL and watch some replays of older games, listen to the fans and don't just say the game is getting better because more people go or because you get more TV dollars. Its not.
My 2 cents
Well said Fluffy. It would also help if they were actually full-time professionals.
How is the umpiring meant to improve and refine their decision making if there are no means to objectively and independently critique their performance. It's not just Richmond games. The inconsistent modern interpretations of the rules is spoiling our game in general. We don't have the depth and quality of umpires. There are good ones (most are currently injured :-\ ) but there are also those getting a game that shouldn't. And now Andy D is considering increasing the number of field umpires to 4 which will only show up the lack of depth even further.
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Richo was very tactful this morning. Said you don't notice free kicks while playing but by halftime they were out of whack ;).
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Considering we can't mercilessly kill them..............
All umpires should be retired players.
The earlier they retire the better,imo.
The AFL needs to expand umpire recruitment and offer incentive to ex players to
view it as a second stage to having been a footballer.
Guy's stop playing from between 26 - 35.
I wouldn't have a problem with them being as old as 50 ,so long as they knew the game from
a PLAYERS perspective,as opposed to a kid that never had the personality,guts or talent to actually play.
Geesh is just another Frawley.
I cant believe we employed these guys.....actually...I can. :banghead
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Who else can tell that Jeff Gieschen was molested as a young boy ?
Rather obvious really.....I thought.
True story, he's a Maffra boy like myself, and my mum actually used to babysit him.
I'll ask her what his parents were like or if he had one of them 'molestering' uncles, that everyone seems to have.
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Who else can tell that Jeff Gieschen was molested as a young boy ?
Rather obvious really.....I thought.
True story, he's a Maffra boy like myself, and my mum actually used to babysit him.
I'll ask her what his parents were like or if he had one of them 'molestering' uncles, that everyone seems to have.
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ROFLOMAOO Sorry Tiga Wayne.lol
for sure.
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Who else can tell that Jeff Gieschen was molested as a young boy ?
Rather obvious really.....I thought.
i thought more on the line that his mum and dad were brother and sister!
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You could then end up with Spud as an umpire :help. Even the umpiring fraternity doesn't deserve a fate such as that lol
The AFL needs to expand umpire recruitment and offer incentive to ex players to view it as a second stage to having been a footballer.
A good idea. Mark Fraser is probably the only ex-player currently I can think of.
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terry said today that its just not right of the afl to fine sugar for telling the truth
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not fining other people for lying!!!!!!
well done terry
take note giesh!!!! u liar!
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Humphery-Smith says Sugar should be fined $10,000. Says you can't tolerate it because it'll put off kids doing umpiring. Accused us of doing it premediated and theatrical ::).
Schwarz is actually sticking up for us. Said the umpiring was shocking and why can't the Captain comment on the umpires as all he said it was inconsistent. Humphrey-Smith ignores that question and keeps going on about Sugar going up to the umps.
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I know the umps or whatever go and see the clubs to sort stuff out if they have issues, but where does it leave the supporter? We get no explanation and are left in the dark as to why we get crucified week in and week out - well it seems that way this year.
Just leaves you with the impression there is an agenda at work here :(
Probably not one, but what else are you to think?
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How about Humphrey-Smith saying people who thought we were hard done by were ill-informed about the game ::).
I agree with the caller who said it's laughable to be critical of people being ill-informed when it's a closed shop and there's no comunication to the public nor explanation of decisions. Agree umps would gain greater respect if they accepted constructive criticism and were open and honest about decisions. They are meant to be grown men who are professionals just like the players and coaches. I remember World of Sport when they had "What's your decision?" and they would get the ump in to talk through controversial decisions. That didn't do any harm to umpiring.
Every single caller is bagging Humphrey-Smith :thumbsup
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Humphrey-Smith is to umpiring as Andrew Bolt is to the top end of Collins St. A mere apologist, the one who is prepared, even welcomes, criticisms of him, it spurs him to greater heights, it just goes to show that once an umpire, always a friggin umpire Derek!
Geishen was totally incorrect to focus only on mistakes that occur as free kicks paid, if that is how they review things as the norm for umpiring guidance and reviews then they are on the wrong track, some of the best umpiring is calling 'play on'.
To me the probelm is the umpires want to be part of the "show" not just one of the props. This were the game has gone wrong by putting microphones on them and making them think they are a important part of the entertainment. The best game you can watch is a game that you do notice these guys but that never happens anymore (they wont let it). The whole standard of umpiring has gone bad (not just tigers games) and all the tinkering with the rules over the last five to ten years hasn't helped one bit.
Take a step back AFL and watch some replays of older games, listen to the fans and don't just say the game is getting better because more people go or because you get more TV dollars. Its not.
My 2 cents
Fluffy that is absolutely spot on, I am sick of hearing their voices, they talk to the players too much, not just the infamous Richo 'coaching' incident, but these maggots just keep crapping on and on, they virtually encourage players to argue with them by continually responding to their complaints about the free just paid against them.
I've got an idea for the umpiring fraterity. Keep it simple! Don't argue back with the players! Even better, go back to the rule book and do what it requires you to do, it requires you to blow the whistle, make a hand signal and call the free kick. The rule book doesn't ask you to call the players by name, as if you were a friend of theirs. It doesn't say that you have to justify your decision to a player. So don't do it!
I am a big believer in that the best umpires are the ones that you don't notice, and that applies in any sport.
Unfortunately, miking up the umps has made it worse, now they are just showcasing themselves, and if anyone doesn't believe me on that, go to
http://www.aflua.com.au/
and check out the line of footy umpire cards, that the umpires association themselves have released, ffs!
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Geishen was totally incorrect to focus only on mistakes that occur as free kicks paid, if that is how they review things as the norm for umpiring guidance and reviews then they are on the wrong track, some of the best umpiring is calling 'play on'.
Well said DC :clapping. Incidental contact should be called play on.
and check out the line of footy umpire cards, that the umpires association themselves have released, ffs!
That's tragic :rollin
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To me the probelm is the umpires want to be part of the "show" not just one of the props. This were the game has gone wrong by putting microphones on them and making them think they are a important part of the entertainment. The best game you can watch is a game that you do notice these guys but that never happens anymore (they wont let it). The whole standard of umpiring has gone bad (not just tigers games) and all the tinkering with the rules over the last five to ten years hasn't helped one bit.
Take a step back AFL and watch some replays of older games, listen to the fans and don't just say the game is getting better because more people go or because you get more TV dollars. Its not.
My 2 cents
Maybe your 2 cents Fluffy but 100% spot on.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
Although one DH Smith ;D would tell you your argument lacks any form of logic and let's be honest he'd know
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SEN news just said Richmond has been fine $5,000 with a portion of it suspended by the AFL for Sugar's comments and going up to the umps at half-time. Not exactly sure if they meant $5,000 in total or $5,000 for each of the two breaches.
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a joke
he has been fined 10k
2.5k suspended
afl are losers
gees , why did i give up swearing yesterday
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Would the AFL and Geischen then like to explain why Umpire No. 31 has been dropped again if the umpiring was okay ?! What a crock! ::)
This guy was dropped after our Sydney game because he stuffed up on the holding the ball decisions. He then is brought back for our West Coast game on Saturday, stuff ups and gets dropped again and yet we get fined :banghead.
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Would the AFL and Geischen then like to explain why Umpire No. 31 has been dropped again if the umpiring was okay ?! What a crock! ::)
This guy was dropped after our Sydney game because he stuffed up on the holding the ball decisions. He then is brought back for our West Coast game on Saturday, stuff ups and gets dropped again and yet we get fined :banghead.
we must all get ontoi SEN tomorrow, try and talk to that **** KB, get on teh good oil and the run home, we should all bombard them with phones calls asking them the exact same thing
"Would the AFL and Geischen then like to explain why Umpire No. 31 has been dropped again if the umpiring was okay ?! What a crock! ::)
This guy was dropped after our Sydney game because he stuffed up on the holding the ball decisions. He then is brought back for our West Coast game on Saturday, stuff ups and gets dropped again and yet we get fined " [/size]
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As I said this is crap and Richmond should protest and appeal. A $7,500 fine for just telling the truth :banghead.
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Well I suppose the one bright spot is the fact that Suga hasn't received so much support on the forum for gawd knows how long
:whistle ;D :cheers :rollin
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Tigers hit with $10,000 fine
richmondfc.com.au
Thursday, May 3, 2007
RICHMOND has been fined $10,000 for skipper Kane Johnson’s criticism of the umpires after last weekend’s clash against the West Coast Eagles.
Johnson approached the umpires at half time of the Eagles game and followed up with further criticism of the men in white at the post-match press conference.
The AFL wrote to Richmond earlier this week after determining that Johnson’s actions and comments were prohibited under AFL Regulations 16.1 and 16.3, respectively.
AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson said Richmond had been fined $5000 for each two offences, totalling $10,000. However, $2500 of the fine for approaching the umpires has been suspended for three years.
"Regulations such as these exist because of the need for the AFL competition to set a positive example on conduct towards umpires,” Anderson said.
“Abuse and misconduct towards umpires has impacted negatively on the recruitment and retention of umpires throughout Australia."
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=42542
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Ch 9 are claiming there's "anger at Punt Rd tonight" over the fine.
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Kane Johnson's costly critique
04 May 2007 Herald-Sun
Damian Barrett
BY APPROACHING the umpires at halftime during the match on Saturday and then criticising them for a lopsided stuff count, Richmond captain Kane Johnson gave the AFL two reasons to take action against his club.
Last night it provided 10,000 reasons not to do it again.
The AFL fined the Tigers $5000 for the approach to umpires and another $5000 for the press conference criticism.
The penalty was mitigated when $2500 of the umpire-approach fine was suspended for three years.
Richmond football director Greg Miller said the Tigers would cop the fine, but said it was harsh.
"We think it is a bit excessive, but what can we do?" Miller said. "Not much. We won't be appealing."
Miller queried the magnitude of the fine in light of football's recent controversial off-field problems.
"Given Kane's record and the way other things are happening in the footy world at the moment, it's probably a bit surprising to most people, wouldn't you think?" Miller said.
"Kane has an outstanding record, he is not an antagonist, he does the right thing . . . 10 grand is up there."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21668447%255E19742,00.html
The AFL has ordered Richmond to pay the fine, and the Tigers are prevented from appealing against the decision.
AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson said in a statement that the league needed to set a positive example about how players treat umpires.
He added that abuse and misconduct towards umpires had a negative impact on recruiting and retaining umpires.
AFL umpires' manager Jeff Gieschen has strongly defended the performance of Wenn, Ryan and Pannell.
However, Pannell has been dropped to an emergency for Saturday's Essendon-Hawthorn game at the MCG.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/johnson-fined-for-umpire-criticism/2007/05/03/1177788305015.html
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Wallace will hold a press conference later this afternoon. He's expected to say we will pay the fine.
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He shouldn't but Sheeds might cop a fine too for his after game comments on the umps and the 'push in the back' rule.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Sheedy-critical-of-handsinback-rule/2007/05/05/1177788470326.html
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Apparently the Eagles have had 158 free for and 98 against so far this year. That's 10 frees extra every week :help.
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Tiger umpire dropped
06 May 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
ONE of the officiating umpires in last week's Richmond-West Coast clash has been dropped to the VFL.
Richmond captain Kane Johnson was fined $5000 for criticism of umpires Stuart Wenn, Shaun Ryan and Troy Pannell (pictured left with Matthew Richardson).
Pannell has been demoted to umpire the VFL today despite umpires boss Jeff Gieschen giving the Tiger clash umpires an overall performance a pass mark.
AFL spokesman Patrick Keane said it was simply part of the normal rotations.
"He is one of six new umpires who will be given a spell," Keane said. "He'll do one or two weeks in the VFL."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21678869%255E19742,00.html
Also Rodney Eade could be in trouble too for saying virtually the same thing as Sugar said last week....
"The holding-the-ball rule was a bit confusing at times," he said. "It tends to be paid more at home grounds than it does to the away teams."
Asked if the umpires appeared to enjoy umpiring the Eagles, Eade responded: "I had better not comment on that."
But he went on: "I think we got pinged a fair bit for holding the ball, which is OK, but exactly the same the other way didn't seem to be a free kick."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/eade-treads-fine-line-on-free-kicks/2007/05/05/1177788470347.html
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Michael Voss has stuck up for Sugar over his aftermatch umpiring comments....
Richmond captain Kane Johnson voluntarily fronted the media last Saturday after a narrow loss to West Coast — the Tigers' fifth in a row. He answered questions honestly and openly. Now he has been asked by the AFL to explain his comments about the umpiring and faces a $5000 fine.
He expressed some opinions about a 29-13 free kick count against his side. But he didn't denigrate anyone personally. Some might even say he was doing his job.
The Sunday Herald Sun reported that Johnson "launched an extraordinary attack on umpiring standards". Did he really? Or did he express in a calculated, controlled fashion a frustration shared by his coach, his teammates and Richmond fans?
Most coaches may consider the "fifth quarter" a burden, but it is an important part of our game. That's why it's obligatory for coaches to give news conferences after games. And it is why some clubs are sending players as well to face the media.
It's a chance for key people inside the game to explain events to those outside the game. So that when fans read the paper, watch the news or listen to radio the next day, they know a little more about what happened. And why it happened.
We need that. We need personalities who are prepared to speak honestly and openly, with insight and understanding. We cannot afford to legislate in blanket fashion against anything and everything remotely critical of umpires or other aspects of the game.
If the comments are outrageous, or get personal, then sure, the AFL should act. But was Kane Johnson outrageous or personal?
What might he say next time he's asked to front the media? And if it's not safe for the captain to speak because he's worried about saying the wrong thing, what hope do other players have?
So the fans lose out. They don't get an explanation for a result or a tactic or some other aspect of a game because coaches or players are afraid of the consequences of saying the wrong thing.
Generally, umpires don't have a huge bearing on a result. For every umpiring error, there are many more errors by players that have a bigger impact. Umpires are unavoidably thrust into the spotlight by their own actions — when they blow the whistle. Because the game stops. Suddenly, the focus is on them and their decision.
There is no whistle when a player doesn't man up or when he misses a target with a handball. So unless the incident is picked out later, there's no scrutiny. The game moves on. The less the umpire blows his whistle, the less we notice him and we believe the better job he has done.
Yet when the stuff count is 29-13, that is a talking point. The fans want to know why. It's a reasonable question that deserves a reasonable answer. It is OK for the coach or captain to say: "It was nothing to do with the umpires — we were just undisciplined too often and gave away a lot of silly free kicks!"
So why isn't it OK to say in a reasonable manner that the players were frustrated by some interpretations and would be seeking an explanation from the umpires.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/stuff/2007/05/05/1177788463591.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1