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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Fishfinger on May 14, 2007, 11:25:27 PM
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Hey, on a different tangent. Just showed some headlines for tomorrow - Richmond won't get first pick in the draft if they finish last if Carlton win less than 4.5 games. :whistle
Wonder where they got that from. :)
(Article by Ramps Wilson?)
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do i win a holiday to Greece lol- preferably for about 15 weeks ;D
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Hey, on a different tangent. Just showed some headlines for tomorrow - Richmond won't get first pick in the draft if they finish last if Carlton win less than 4.5 games. :whistle
Well done AFL on rewarding cheats :banghead
Wonder where they got that from. :)
(Article by Ramps Wilson?)
:lol
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We should tell them how to fix it so they've got a scoop for Wednesday.
If the scenario happens, Carlton should get their priority pick at #2 after Richmond use pick 1. ;)
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Wooden spoon won't necessarily scoop priority pick
Jake Niall | May 15, 2007
The Age
FOR Richmond fans, the traditional consolation for a truly shocking season — the first draft pick — might not eventuate even in the unlikely event that the Tigers fail to win a single game.
As a result of changes to the contentious priority-pick rule, which gives a club an extra early draft choice, Carlton can trump the Tigers and get pick No. 1 in the draft if it wins four games or fewer this year.
Indeed, according to the revised rules introduced for the 2006 season, Carlton could finish 14th, but would get the first pick even if Richmond and Melbourne had zero and one win respectively. Richmond yesterday called the rule an anomaly.
The Blues and Essendon are the only the teams eligible to receive a "real" priority pick — i.e. a pick before all clubs had have their first choice — because they won fewer than the maximum four games in 2006 (three wins and a draw each).
Under the current rule, a club gets a prized pre-draft priority pick (invariably pick 1, 2 or 3) only if it has two terrible seasons consecutively. It cannot win more than four games or earn more than 16 premiership points for two seasons in a row.
Essendon isn't in the running, requiring only two victories to disqualify itself. Carlton has a tough draw in the coming weeks and, if it did not win a game over the next month (it plays the Kangaroos at Carrara, Adelaide, the Bulldogs and Port Adelaide), it would enter the halfway mark at 2-9 and on target to win just four games, earning a priority pick and first pick in the draft.
Richmond director of football Greg Miller said the fact that the club could end up without the first pick was an anomaly, but the club accepted the rules.
"My answer would be it's round seven, we expect not to be anywhere near that position (bottom)," Miller said. "However, the rules are the rules and we knew that anyway. We were wary of that, that's the rule — if you get a priority choice, on a two-year deal, I suppose you would (get first pick)."
Asked whether the new rule was fair, given the Tigers could finish last and not receive pick No. 1, Miller said: "I'm not going to comment on fair, any more. It's an anomaly, that's all I'd say."
Melbourne has not won a game this year, but is comfortable with the two-year system. "It's not an issue because that's the rules," recruitment and list manager Craig Cameron said.
AFL general manager of football operations Adrian Anderson said the revised system would prevent a team that had only one poor season receiving a "massive benefit".
He said, for example, that Melbourne was the highest-placed Victorian team of 2006 and for it to receive an early priority pick this national draft — if it continued its poor season — would be "incongruous".
The rule was changed after 2005, when Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn all earned "double dips".
Collingwood won five games, losing its last eight after a succession of key players had mid-season surgery, or failed to return from early season operations. Concerned about speculation on clubs "tanking" to get an extra pick, the AFL changed the rule.
Now, a club gets a pick at the end of the first round if it wins four games or fewer in a single season.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/tigers-may-miss-priority-pick/2007/05/14/1178995076197.html
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Tuesday Debate with Mark Stevens
15 May 2007 Herald-Sun
Mark Stevens
ON MY SOAPBOX: What's worse than finishing last? Finishing last and watching your oldest enemy take the prized No. 1 draft pick, Mark Stevens writes.
Yes, that could be you, Richmond fans. If you're close to the brink of despair after seven straight losses, it may be too painful to read on.
The Tigers could claim the wooden spoon -- winning one, two, even zero games -- and still be beaten to the punch on draft day by Carlton.
Under priority-pick rules, the Blues get the No. 1 choice in 2007 if they win four, or fewer, games -- regardless of how bad the Tigers are.
The criteria is simple: if you win four games or fewer in successive years you are entitled to a prized priority pick before the first round.
Carlton won 3 1/2 games last year. That's one box ticked.
If the Blues, now 2-5, win no more than two games in their last 15, the No. 1 pick comes gift-wrapped.
It could be the first time in draft history that the bottom team hasn't been handed the first pick.
Winning a wooden spoon is bad enough. Imagine the pain if the Tigers finish behind Carlton, only to cop it in the backside with a nasty, jagged splinter as well.
Under the nightmare scenario for Richmond, the Blues would get their hands on picks No. 1 and No. 3 if they finished second last.
The Tigers, if they finish last, would get No. 2 and then a priority pick (No. 18) at the end of the first round.
Essendon, too, could get its mitts on a priority pick before the first round if it wins fewer than four.
Remember the Bombers, like Carlton, only won 3 1/2 last year.
But Essendon is not that bad. It won't happen.
The season is only a third of the way through, agreed. Carlton might surge; the Tigers may claw their way out of the depths.
But it is worth thinking about -- and the possible ramifications of the priority rules have been largely forgotten.
If the losing run of the young Blues continues, it will raise unprecedented speculation about the worth of playing kids and tanking.
Imagine if the Blues continue to fight hard, but still find themselves at 3-10 and then, say, 4-13.
The temptation could be huge for the Blues to select development teams and ensure they win no more than four.
Denis Pagan is a win-at-all-costs coach, but it may just be the chance for the Blues to top up with two more prime kids and have a real tilt in 2008.
And it would be an opportunity to make up for the pain of losing those early choices in 2002.
Why win five or six games? Really, it's a waste of time.
If you can't get eight to 10 wins, take the four. It would be much better for Carlton long-term.
The Blues are playing exciting footy and clearly heading in the right direction, but don't have the experience or clout to challenge for the eight -- particularly with Nick Stevens out for the year.
Make no mistake, the cries of "tank it" will come loudly if the Blues still have four or fewer wins in the bank a month out from the end of the season.
That would be horrible for the game. The AFL's rule change, taking away an automatic early priority pick for winning five or fewer matches in a single season, was a step in the right direction.
But they should go further. From 2008, all priorities should be taken only after the first round.
It would be cruel, painfully cruel, if the Tigers cop the spoon and miss pick No. 1.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21731518%255E19742,00.html
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It's 4 1/2 wins or less, not 4. They should have read our thread more carefully. ;D
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It's 4 1/2 wins or less, not 4. They should have read our thread more carefully. ;D
Shh don't remind them lol
Go Blues :chuck
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Lyall Johnson | May 16, 2007
The Age
Wallace said he was content with the AFL priority pick rule that could deny the Tigers first pick in the national draft should they finish on the bottom, provided the AFL decides on a model and sticks with it.
As reported in The Age yesterday, Carlton could trump the Tigers, or another team that finishes last, with a priority pick ahead of the first draft pick if the Blues won only four games this year to go with the three wins and a draw they had in 2006.
"I'm comfortable with the rules that are in place, provided they stay in place. The swapping and the changing is what gets difficult because one side gets advantaged by something that, in the same position, the other side doesn't get an advantage on," Wallace said.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/give-me-a-game-terry/2007/05/15/1178995158384.html
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A question about the priority pick rule over two years.
Is it specifically only 4 wins or less in successive years or does it also include a combined 8 games or less over 2 years. For example if we went winless this year and won 8 games next year would we get a priority pick next year?
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Don't think so. Not positive though. :-\
I think it's 4 1/2 wins or less for both years rather than accumulative over 2 consecutive years.
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It's rules like this and the hands in the back >:( that just really peeves me off :banghead
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Here it is. 4 wins or less for 2 consecutive years.
Priority draft pick rules tightened
By Sam Lienert
November 17, 2005
AFL teams will be given less reward for underperforming, under a change to the priority draft pick system announced today.
Under the current system, any club that finishes a season with 20 premiership points (five wins) or less is awarded a priority selection before the opening round of the national draft.
The new policy, to come into place from next season, reduces the threshold to 16 premiership points, and the priority pick will be delayed until after each club has had a first-round selection.
Only if a club has two consecutive seasons in which it finishes with 16 points or less will it be granted a priority pick before the first round.
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0...-23211,00.html
Article gone from link, so found it at: http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/stuff-rules-tightened-t3572.html?t=3572&highlight=priority+pick+rule
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Thanks FF :).
Bugger! lol
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No doubt we'll somehow manage to win 5 games for the season, and miss out on a priority pick, while Carlton will win 4 and therefore have picks 1 and 2, us at 3 and Melb at 4.
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Hang on so lets say we 'win' the spoon.
Melbourne finish second last, Carlton third last with 4 wins.
From what little I have read the National draft will go like this:
1st Pick - Richmond
2nd Pick - Melbourne
3rd Pick - Carlton
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17th Pick (Priority) - Carlton
18th Pick - Richmond
19th Pick - Melbourne
20th Pick - Carlton
Or am I horribly wrong?
EDIT: The Journos can't seem to decide exactly whether it is 4 and 4 or 8 over two years but it looks like I am wrong....
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Or am I horribly wrong?
I am pretty sure if Carlton win less than 4 and half, because it'll be two years running, they will get a priority pick and it will be before the first round, which means number 1.
We will get pick number 2.
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Or am I horribly wrong?
I am pretty sure if Carlton win less than 4 and half, because it'll be two years running, they will get a priority pick and it will be before the first round, which means number 1.
We will get pick number 2.
Yep you're right wayne.
Going by Carlton's draw it's hard to see them winning another 3 games unless they cause a couple of upsets. I don't think they've won a game since Stevens got injured.
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Going by Carlton's draw it's hard to see them winning another 3 games unless they cause a couple of upsets. I don't think they've won a game since Stevens got injured.
That's why I was barracking so hard for them on the wkd
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Hang on so lets say we 'win' the spoon.
Melbourne finish second last, Carlton third last with 4 wins.
From what little I have read the National draft will go like this:
1st Pick - Richmond
2nd Pick - Melbourne
3rd Pick - Carlton
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17th Pick (Priority) - Carlton
18th Pick - Richmond
19th Pick - Melbourne
20th Pick - Carlton
Or am I horribly wrong?
EDIT: The Journos can't seem to decide exactly whether it is 4 and 4 or 8 over two years but it looks like I am wrong....
Nope. Not quite right.
1st Pick - Carlton
2nd Pick - Richmond
3rd Pick - Melbourne
4th Pick - Carlton
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17th Pick - Richmond
18th Pick - Richmond
19th Pick - Melbourne
20th Pick - Carlton
After a bit of research I'm very sure that this the right order if Carlton end up with priority.
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ok ... i see ...
thats every interesting ...
so we could finish last and not get the "1st Pick"!!! ... thats so funny!!! ... yet f***ing harsh ...
COME ON CARLTON !!! ...
i have a question ...
if carlton win 4 this year and 4 next year ... do they still get the "1st pick" in 2008 as well ???
because thats 3 seasons with 4 wins each ???
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It's rules like this and the hands in the back >:( that just really peeves me off :banghead
dude ... rules are rules man ... but i agree with you because we they change it Richmond gets F***ED UP FROM IT ...