One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Gordon Bennett on June 12, 2007, 02:30:19 PM
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There have been rumours about Miller's position at the club >:( and about whether his tenure will be over at season's end.
I'd just like to give him some credit where it's due - he engineered the Polak deal, and so far, you'd have to say it's been a great deal for the club. So well done Greg Miller!
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First thing is first. Greg Miller should resign from the board of the Richmond Football Club so Steven Wright can do his job properly and properly evaluate his performance. Whether Miller stays in his job will probably depend on whether or not Terry Wallace is coaching RFC in 2008.
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First thing is first. Greg Miller should resign from the board of the Richmond Football Club so Steven Wright can do his job properly and properly evaluate his performance. Whether Miller stays in his job will probably depend on whether or not Terry Wallace is coaching RFC in 2008.
Have to agree - should be a fair assessment of his performance and he should stand down.
Well if Sheeds comes there's no way Miller will be there, so that's a bit of a no-brainer.
Agree, doesn't get enough congratse for Polak. He's been excellent and at the right age we need. Will be there for years hopefully :thumbsup
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True GB and Greg also gets a tick for the Simmo for Fiora deal. Trade wise we've done pretty well the past couple of years. It's spending more money on better resources to decipher between potential draftees that we still need.
Who is actually up for re-election this year btw?
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Miller standing down from the board is a must.
I would like to see us get someone like Craig Cameron to the club to replace Miller :shh
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Should get a cross for Kingsley.
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All the points being made ie. Simmonds, Polak, Kingsley etc, are all very fair points but Steve Wright cant evaluate the Miller performance as things stand because Greg is on the board and he was also the leading vote getter at the election.
Everything needs to be fair- if Steve Wright judges Millers performance is acceptable then he'll stay in his job if not he goes, but the fact remains- Miller is on the board- so how can Steve Wright do what he has to do. Maybe he can I dont know. It just doesnt seem correct to me thats all. Its a personal opinion.
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I would like to see us get someone like Craig Cameron to the club to replace Miller :shh
::) ::) ::) :help
:nope :nope :nope
:eyebrow
:nope
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I would like to see us get someone like Craig Cameron to the club to replace Miller :shh
Very Subtle lol
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A lot less people will jump and say the same things they were saying about Greg Miller today that they were saying when they elected him to the board
At best he has been a disappointment that didnt live up to expectations, at worst he has been bad for the club, trying to play a Graeme Richmond type role and setting us back further than when he joined.
And let Polak at least finish a season before we ask the jury for its decision
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I think the issue is the amount of $dollars we have spent on recruiting. For several years Miller was it and relying of favours. We finally brought Francis Jackson in just before the 2005 draft, which wasn't enough time for Jackson to have any real input to that draft. So far the 2006 draft picks all have positive signs.
The detail given to us at the draft night last November was impressive and from the comments it is a work in progress.
I'd say keep Miller in place and continue the build up of a fair dinkum recruiting department.
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I'd say keep Miller in place and continue the build up of a fair dinkum recruiting department.
I'm with you, Gracie
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I think the issue is the amount of $dollars we have spent on recruiting.
This is why it annoys me when I hear the Dees boasting about making a million dollar "profit". We've had to cut resources to the bone (lowest spending club on recruiting) to trade out of our debt by ourselves yet these welfare clubs are allowed to spend more despite receiving $1.5m in AFL charity each year :scream.
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http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/miller-loses-key-role-in-tiger-recruiting/2007/06/14/1181414462796.html#
Miller loses key role in recruiting
Caroline Wilson | June 15, 2007
GREG Miller has been removed from overseeing Richmond's recruiting, with the club embarking on a nationwide search for a talent and list manager as part of a radical restructure of the Tigers' football department.
Although Miller will retain his role as director of football, he appears to have become the first casualty of the restructure, following the club's indifferent recruiting performance over the past five years.
Francis Jackson is expected to retain his role as the club's full-time recruitment manager, with the Tigers also looking to invest in not only an overall list manager to oversee recruiting, but at least two part-time talent-spotters working outside Victoria.
Miller is understood to have met club directors, including president Gary March, over the past week with a final series of recommendations regarding the planned changes to go before the Richmond board next week.
With the Tigers languishing at the bottom of the AFL ladder 11 rounds into the season, without a win, March told The Age after the Geelong thrashing at the start of last month that his board and chief executive had already embarked upon further rebuilding and a restructure of the club's under-resourced football department.
This followed coach Terry Wallace's comments on the eve of the season, that detailed and revealed the club's challenge regarding massive holes in his team's list.
March, when contacted by The Age last night, refused to comment on Miller's relatively reduced new role, saying no final decisions had been made.
Appointed to the board as part of the Clinton Casey ticket at the end of 2004, Miller does not face re-election until the end of 2008. It is not known whether he will retain his position until then.
Increasingly forced to defend Richmond's recruiting performance, since he joined the club almost five years ago, Miller is expected to continue to work with chief executive Steven Wright and the new list manager on player contracts.
He will also continue to work closely with coach Wallace and his assistants in a mentoring role.
Richmond's increasingly positive financial performance — although the Tigers are at present $1 million down on gate receipts from 2006, they forecast a profit of at least $500,000 — has allowed the board to continue to place unprecedented emphasis on recruiting and other football areas.
The club will also bolster its medical and conditioning team and could employ a full-time sports psychologist. It is also expected to plough more money into player development, an area former Lion Craig McCrae will continue to oversee.
However, the board's emphasis remains heavily focused on recruiting and increasing the club's resources around Australia, along with plugging holes in the Richmond list.
March and his team have already begun identifying candidates and the club is expected to make an appointment before the end of the season, with the Tigers increasingly likely to take the No. 1 pick in the national draft. Miller had already been focusing upon out-of-contract players, including Brisbane's Jamie Charman.
March's board has also appointed a significant new fund-raising arm and will next week set about prioritising new football department roles, with Wallace's right-hand man Paul Armstrong expected to remain at the club.
However, Armstrong is unlikely to take the role of overall list manager.
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That isn't really massive news because Miller keeps his job as director of football and stays on the board, thus maintaining the unusual position of Miller being his own boss.
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this is still not good enough.
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He should stay on the board at least until the end of 2008.
He was voted onto it by the majority of members. The conflict of interest was there when he was elected so it would be undemocratic if he was removed now because of it. The members can vote him off or retain him when he is up for election again.
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So we have Miller, Armstrong, and someone else 'managing' the football side of things, whatever that entails.
IMO you need ONE person doing this job. They act as conduit between the coach, the board and the recruiting team. They ask the coach what he thinks he needs to win more games of footy, makes sure that it is in line with the direction the list is going and then tells the recruiting team to execute.
Too many cooks IMO. Get another full-time coach and another full-time recruiter.
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So we have Miller, Armstrong, and someone else 'managing' the football side of things, whatever that entails.
IMO you need ONE person doing this job. They act as conduit between the coach, the board and the recruiting team. They ask the coach what he thinks he needs to win more games of footy, makes sure that it is in line with the direction the list is going and then tells the recruiting team to execute.
Too many cooks IMO. Get another full-time coach and another full-time recruiter.
As I have said all along, the place is a joke.
Would keep Armstrong well away from any footy matters, nice bloke, no idea.
Would think if the club wants to go anywhere in the future that this is the tip of the iceberg
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Also March looking for a replacement, he shouldnt have been seen having secret lunches with Craig Cameron should he ;)
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Also March looking for a replacement, he shouldnt have been seen having secret lunches with Craig Cameron should he ;)
i guess if it was a secret they would not have been seen! i am pretty sure if teh meeting was meant to be "secret", they would have had it in a place where they would not have been noticed. just my opinion
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There was a lot of debate when Miller was running for the board. Facts are now that he is unsackable. Members voted him on, members can only vote him off, and no sooner than end of 2008.
So we've only got ourseleves to blame. Cant blame the club for Greg Miller, and he will continue to influence things around the place behind the scenes, because as long as he is on the board, he can do whatever he wants.
Cameron is not the only lunchtime date. The usual rumor mill and unsubstantiated speculation mob is all about Sheedy wont come back unless Miller is out. And thats what makes us a joke club. Miller should be out because he has been a disaster. Nothing more
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It's all bull poo folks.
You all carry on about board members and positions of so called importance within the club as though it matters.
Fact is,everything starts with good players = recruitment.
stuff the board and all the assholes who think their presence will "turn things around"
Fair dinkum,footy was a LOT MORE ENJOYABLE before we were fooled by the media into believing that
all the reat of the crap was actually news.
FO
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someone is angry today ;D
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I wonder why we didn't go for Heath Scotland when he was available to be picked up - there was plenty of notice, and I know that we sent one of our best forward scouts to check him out ;)
Wonder if the report was to go for him or leave him alone ??
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And what does a meeting actually mean ?
You aren’t doing your'e job if you are not continually looking for ways to improve.
I would be dissapointed otherwise.
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I wonder why we didn't go for Heath Scotland when he was available to be picked up - there was plenty of notice, and I know that we sent one of our best forward scouts to check him out ;)
Wonder if the report was to go for him or leave him alone ??
lol. It was to pick up him up
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good point Ox, when we finally piece together a side that can win I reckon the off-field stuff will sort itself out
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Miller should be out because he has been a disaster. Nothing more
Do you mean recruiting-wise or in general?
In any case, that's a matter of opinion rather than a fact.
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Also March looking for a replacement, he shouldnt have been seen having secret lunches with Craig Cameron should he ;)
With the exit of Daniher at Melbourne, Camerons contract now has an escape clause.
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With the exit of Daniher at Melbourne, Camerons contract now has an escape clause.
Reported in today's Age by Caro (when she suggested that Daniher would go) that Melb are looking to sign Cameron to a long term contract Jack
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Pardon my ignorance but Craig Cameron is overrated. He has been there for long enough to have built a spine. Bate and Dunn are not KPP's. We should not be going for Craig Cameron. He is just as bad as Daniher in some ways. Kinnear Beatson or a recruiter who can find 'talls' is what we need. Not Bruce, Yze, Green types. You would think McCrae would have some inside knowledge of some good scouts.
Despite this I like Francis Jackson. I was rapt with our draft last year. Some good finds especially late.
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So Bossong, how would you "Evaluate" our current playing list?
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So Bossong, how would you "Evaluate" our current playing list?
::) ;)
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So Bossong, how would you "Evaluate" our current playing list?
"Evaluate" where do you start. There are holes like most other clubs. Unfortunately we haven't had our leaders on the ground for long enough. :banghead