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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Bull on July 22, 2007, 06:04:51 PM
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There is no way that anyone could walk away from today's game happy with the way our future is heading.
Sure Edwards played well once again, along with Jack and Kingy.
But the downside well and truly outways any of those positives.
I have not felt so bad about this club in a long time but things are bad. The attitude and direction of this playing group is a joke. Has been terrible all season and needs serious addressing.
Our movement of the footy today was a joke, they say that you play as you train. That doesnt say much for Wallace and Co. Our skills are getting worse instead of improving. Decision making is also getting worse and we continue to overuse the footy time and time again.
Kicking or handballing to a team mate under the pump is our trademark.
If this club doesnt get itself on the right track in the next couple of years, it will be no longer.
Sad but true. :(
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We are a basketcase and its so bad i doubt that anyone really knows how to get out of it quickly. Its atleast 3 years away just to get a decent side- and thats without mistakes at the draft table- let alone winning the thing.
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If some of you posters think I have an axe to grind about Wallace and co, you are right
This football is a rabble and something needs to be done.
I dont agree with the direction this club is going and after speaking to many influential supporters today in the Tiger executive and player link, there not happy either.
The game is a disgrace and to have Chris Newman tag David Rodan just proves that Wallace has lost the plot, keep in mind we GOT NOTHING for Rodan as he was delisted and then 15 rounds later, Wallace tags him.
Walk now Terry before it gets too hot in the kitchen
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Right now we are worse than 04. At least in 04 we bottomed out. Terry came as the Messiah and has done very little. These new players are not our future. We need to be bottom for another couple of years and make no mistakes when drafting kids in the subsequent years bedfore we can even fathom a rise up the ladder. Last wk I was gutted as Tambling could have stood up and answered a few q's in regards to his draft selection and probably played his worst game. This week we had a chance to stand up for a club champion. Our performance today is apt of where we have been for the last 25 years and where we are heading and the type of people we have at the club representing us on game day. Some of the senior lads should be very very very very very ashamed of what they did today. I am almost ashamed to call myself a Richmond Fan. Very heartbreaking and distressing and unfortunantely it will get worse. Alot worse.
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Whats sad is the dont play with ANY passion and at times I thought they actually gave up
Players refused to chase at times, it was a rabble.
We cant keep going like this , something has to change now, not is 2 years time
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Right now we are worse than 04. At least in 04 we bottomed out. Terry came as the Messiah and has done very little. These new players are not our future. We need to be bottom for another couple of years and make no mistakes when drafting kids in the subsequent years bedfore we can even fathom a rise up the ladder. Last wk I was gutted as Tambling could have stood up and answered a few q's in regards to his draft selection and probably played his worst game. This week we had a chance to stand up for a club champion. Our performance today is apt of where we have been for the last 25 years and where we are heading and the type of people we have at the club representing us on game day. Some of the senior lads should be very very very very very ashamed of what they did today. I am almost ashamed to call myself a Richmond Fan. Very heartbreaking and distressing and unfortunantely it will get worse. Alot worse.
Great post HT, feel much the same. It is very depressing.
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Terry the messiah ::) :lol :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck
He stuffed the Western Bulldogs and now he is stuffing the RFC, claimed it was train wreck when he got there, hate to see whats its called now ::)
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Terry the messiah ::) :lol :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck
He stuffed the Western Bulldogs and now he is stuffing the RFC, claimed it was train wreck when he got there, hate to see whats its called now ::)
Right now we are the Los Rodeos Airport plane crash 27th March 1977.
Confused? google it and it will explain all.
One poor decision after another until the disaster to end all calamitous ultimate disasters.
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Foley - worked his ass off in the middle
King - brings what this club is lacking --> MONGREL
Edwards - Class act
Riewoldt - KPP of the future, very promising today
Thursfield - Excellent job on Westhoff
McGuane - Showed a lot IMHO, clean hands, plays with enthusiasm
All these players contributed and have gained invaluable experience today ie it has not been a complete loss today
Very very very dissapointing day for the Richo-man on what should have been a memorable day, but at least some kids got some more experience.
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Keep at it u are, and they are starting to sway me.
Been a diehard for many a year and will still be.
BUT
In years gone by I would have made a big effort to get there today and 'would' of been there for richos 250.
But it would of taken effort in the middle of a set of nightshifts, I just couldn't justify putting myself through thatt effort, for what I have been getting and what I expected today, from Richmond.
I still dont see the point in getting rid of Wallace, as this would just be same old.
I would give him next year and if something isn't starting to show then we seriously need to re-evaluate.
What do we do, I don't know.
Some of our efforts haven't been too bad, but it's about winning (That's the bottom line)
But this is turning into a real gut wrentching season and it is hurting.
:'(
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Foley - worked his ass off in the middle
King - brings what this club is lacking --> MONGREL
Edwards - Class act
Riewoldt - KPP of the future, very promising today
Thursfield - Excellent job on Westhoff
McGuane - Showed a lot IMHO, clean hands, plays with enthusiasm
All these players contributed and have gained invaluable experience today ie it has not been a complete loss today
Very very very dissapointing day for the Richo-man on what should have been a memorable day, but at least some kids got some more experience.
Great post, Bluey :thumbsup
I like it you can take positives and not just look for the negative.
And I agree with you, some of these kids were okay. If they had help from their senior counterparts, we may see different results. Maybe not winning, but a hell of a lot more competitive.
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Foley - worked his ass off in the middle
King - brings what this club is lacking --> MONGREL
Edwards - Class act
Riewoldt - KPP of the future, very promising today
Thursfield - Excellent job on Westhoff
McGuane - Showed a lot IMHO, clean hands, plays with enthusiasm
All these players contributed and have gained invaluable experience today ie it has not been a complete loss today
Very very very dissapointing day for the Richo-man on what should have been a memorable day, but at least some kids got some more experience.
:thumbsup Good onya Bluey, stay positive and I still do too. These kids are the future and must play out the year. No excuses not too.
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You know what makes this harder to take.
Seeing the Lions develop week by week. Their premiership window shut in 2004, but you can already see them building something special.
We need tall defenders and there was an article not so long ago about how hard they are to find and how clubs will go all out this draft - but the Lions have picked up Jason Roe and Patfull, who look like they will be top class modern defenders.
Then they have Drummond, Stiller, Rischitelli, Sherman, Adcock, Clark, Fixter most of whom will develop into very solid players. Brennan, McGrath, Hooper add a dash of unpredictablilty and class.
There are three big differences.
1) A senior core.
2) Jonathon Brown.
3) A coach who knows how to make players better, won't accept second best from senior players and more importantly knows how to build a team. Last season Robbie Copeland was a negating tagger now he is a small forward and kicking goals every week.
I'm not convinced based on the last two and a half seasons that Terry is any good at developing individual players and formualting a game plan. I'm sure that the absence of a senior core has something to do with it, but is that everything? Why didn't we commit fully to rebuilding ala Hawthorn if we knew our senior core was weak?
Even if you say that Hawthorn got the jump on us by a couple of years in the drafting process, they comitted fully to it and generally their young players have improved greatly. A few of our boys have stagnated, others havent even left the ground.
What was Wallace's record with at the Bulldogs re. developing youngsters? I am more than happy to be proven wrong and don't have the time to do the research, but I get the feeling he inherited a tough core and added very little to it while he was there.
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Jake , great post.
We continually draft lightweights with no size.( E.G Bulldogs model)
Brisbane and Lethal have a plan and they know what there about.
Wallace has changed direction from his first two years.
100 points a game
Run and Carry
I am still in disbelief he tagged Rodan today, he has lost it.! ::)
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Who cares if we have the doggies model, look where they are right now, in the 8.
Tell me you don't want that Jack.
If they had dominant key forwards and good key defenders they would be in contention for the flag.
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I am still in disbelief he tagged Rodan today, he has lost it.! ::)
I found it ironic that Wallace gave him the ass last year but then places a tag on him now :banghead
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Probably more due to Eade's coaching than anything.
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Who cares if we have the doggies model, look where they are right now, in the 8.
Tell me you don't want that Jack.
If they had dominant key forwards and good key defenders they would be in contention for the flag.
Rather have the Hawks or Geelong models.
Both teams have good sized players around the ground and I seen what the Cats did to them on Friday nite, no thanks.
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What was Wallace's record with at the Bulldogs re. developing youngsters? I am more than happy to be proven wrong and don't have the time to do the research, but I get the feeling he inherited a tough core and added very little to it while he was there.
Don't know about how he developed, but these are the players he drafted - mixed bag!
1997
18 – Mark Alvey
47 – Robert Stevenson
63 – Anthony Aloi
74 – Paul Digiovine
1998
14 – Luke Penny
30 – Nicky Winmar
46 – Jay Solomon
73 – Christin Macri (Rookie list)
1999
13 – Robert Murphy
32 – Daniel Giansiracusa
35 – Patrick Wiggins
43 – Lindsay Gilbee
58 – Patrick Bowden
66 – Ryan Hargrave
2000
10 – Jordan McMahon
26 – Shane Birss
56 – Daniel Cross
70 – Wayde Skipper
2001
10 – Sam Power
42 – Kieren McGuinness
57 – Brent Colbert
71 – Brian Harris
83 – Aaron James
2002
4 – Tim Walsh
17 – Cameron Faulkner
20 – Will Minson
33 – Brad Murphy
35 – Scott Bassett
49 – Cameron Wight
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I am still in disbelief he tagged Rodan today, he has lost it.! ::)
I found it ironic that Wallace gave him the ass last year but then places a tag on him now :banghead
Its telling the football world, that he is a moron and cant coach ::)
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IIRC there were some people here (and I'm not talking about anyone specifically, just can't remember who they were) that were glad to see the last of Rodan.
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Agree with Jake,
as much as Thursty and McGuane try their hearts out. They are way too skinny and you cant see them getting a whole lot bigger.
Neither will be a KPP and could possibly be fighting for the one spot in the overall scheme of things.
Have a look at the Cats from Friday night, they have big bodied players and it makes a impact on the smaller players like the Bulldogs have.
Thats what Wallace will develop at Punt Road and it WONT win a flag.
Sure it will be successful but not to he pinnacle and thats what its all about.
Wallace must go.
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What was Wallace's record with at the Bulldogs re. developing youngsters? I am more than happy to be proven wrong and don't have the time to do the research, but I get the feeling he inherited a tough core and added very little to it while he was there.
Don't know about how he developed, but these are the players he drafted - mixed bag!
1997
18 – Mark Alvey
47 – Robert Stevenson
63 – Anthony Aloi
74 – Paul Digiovine
1998
14 – Luke Penny
30 – Nicky Winmar
46 – Jay Solomon
73 – Christin Macri (Rookie list)
1999
13 – Robert Murphy
32 – Daniel Giansiracusa
35 – Patrick Wiggins
43 – Lindsay Gilbee
58 – Patrick Bowden
66 – Ryan Hargrave
2000
10 – Jordan McMahon
26 – Shane Birss
56 – Daniel Cross
70 – Wayde Skipper
2001
10 – Sam Power
42 – Kieren McGuinness
57 – Brent Colbert
71 – Brian Harris
83 – Aaron James
2002
4 – Tim Walsh
17 – Cameron Faulkner
20 – Will Minson
33 – Brad Murphy
35 – Scott Bassett
49 – Cameron Wight
He wasted all the picks in 1997 and 1998.( Alvey and Penny ::))
Aaron James 2001 ::)
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Who cares if we have the doggies model, look where they are right now, in the 8.
Tell me you don't want that Jack.
If they had dominant key forwards and good key defenders they would be in contention for the flag.
Rather have the Hawks or Geelong models.
Both teams have good sized players around the ground and I seen what the Cats did to them on Friday nite, no thanks.
But Geelong have been gifted so many players, and not to mention players who have key roles.
Scarlett, Gablett and Nablett, Hawkins, Blake were all gimme F/S.
If only we had that kind of luck
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Go and have a good look at the following players
Selwood. 2006 Draft
Egan 2004 Draft
Stokes 2005 Draft
Varcoe 2005 Draft
Prismall 2004 draft. ( named best first year player for the cats last year)
Selwood is the best young player I have seen for the past 5 years .
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McGuane - Showed a lot IMHO, clean hands, plays with enthusiasm
Except for the first quarter where he fumbled three times. However after that he played extremly well and Terry mentioned him and Thursty in the press conference as being the top backman while the experienced men had to lift. :thumbsup
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Go and have a good look at the following players
Selwood. 2006 Draft
Egan 2004 Draft
Stokes 2005 Draft
Varcoe 2005 Draft
Prismall 2004 draft. ( named best first year player for the cats last year)
Selwood is the best young player I have seen for the past 5 years .
yeah, but Selwood WAS taken before our first pick...before our ORIGINAL first pick too for that matter.
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Yep, thats right,.
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geez this thread will get some mileage.
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Go and have a good look at the following players
Selwood. 2006 Draft
Egan 2004 Draft
Stokes 2005 Draft
Varcoe 2005 Draft
Prismall 2004 draft. ( named best first year player for the cats last year)
Selwood is the best young player I have seen for the past 5 years .
yeah, but Selwood WAS taken before our first pick...before our ORIGINAL first pick too for that matter.
We traded our first pick
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Go and have a good look at the following players
Selwood. 2006 Draft
Egan 2004 Draft
Stokes 2005 Draft
Varcoe 2005 Draft
Prismall 2004 draft. ( named best first year player for the cats last year)
Selwood is the best young player I have seen for the past 5 years .
Actually agree with you on Selwood - absolute gimme fo rthe rising star award IMHO or at least should be
Even if we hadn't of traded our first pick he was gone so we cannot sook over that one being a lost opportunity
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Go and have a good look at the following players
Selwood. 2006 Draft
Egan 2004 Draft
Stokes 2005 Draft
Varcoe 2005 Draft
Prismall 2004 draft. ( named best first year player for the cats last year)
Selwood is the best young player I have seen for the past 5 years .
yeah, but Selwood WAS taken before our first pick...before our ORIGINAL first pick too for that matter.
We traded our first pick
wouldn't have mattered, selwood was already gone
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just hit the gym !!!
we need to get bigger !!!
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IIRC there were some people here (and I'm not talking about anyone specifically, just can't remember who they were) that were glad to see the last of Rodan.
yep, me!
and dont worry, rodan was always gonna have a gr8 yr this yr, next yr when he is comfortable the real rodan will stand up. he is playing 4 his career atm, next yr will be different, by rnd 12 we will see the end of him
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Agree with Jake,
as much as Thursty and McGuane try their hearts out. They are way too skinny and you cant see them getting a whole lot bigger.
Neither will be a KPP and could possibly be fighting for the one spot in the overall scheme of things.
Have a look at the Cats from Friday night, they have big bodied players and it makes a impact on the smaller players like the Bulldogs have.
Thats what Wallace will develop at Punt Road and it WONT win a flag.
Sure it will be successful but not to he pinnacle and thats what its all about.
Wallace must go.
thats cats team is 7 yrs in teh making, in 7 yrs time thursty and mguane will be much bigger.
by the way, they may be skinny but they both beat their opponents on the weekend
our backline probs are raines, joel and newman. all 3 unaccountable and shocking defensively.
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Agree with Jake,
as much as Thursty and McGuane try their hearts out. They are way too skinny and you cant see them getting a whole lot bigger.
Neither will be a KPP and could possibly be fighting for the one spot in the overall scheme of things.
Have a look at the Cats from Friday night, they have big bodied players and it makes a impact on the smaller players like the Bulldogs have.
Thats what Wallace will develop at Punt Road and it WONT win a flag.
Sure it will be successful but not to he pinnacle and thats what its all about.
Wallace must go.
thats cats team is 7 yrs in teh making, in 7 yrs time thursty and mguane will be much bigger.
by the way, they may be skinny but they both beat their opponents on the weekend
our backline probs are raines, joel and newman. all 3 unaccountable and shocking defensively.
I agree X, they both played well yesterday BUT, i cant see either of them getting a great deal bigger in the muscle stakes.
Thursty done his knee and should have shown some sign of upper body development after a year off, sadly this isnt the case.
McGuane has some tone but has really bulked up a lot over the last 3 years. He will be stronger than Thursty most likely. I dont think either can hold down a KP long term.
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Agree with Jake,
as much as Thursty and McGuane try their hearts out. They are way too skinny and you cant see them getting a whole lot bigger.
Neither will be a KPP and could possibly be fighting for the one spot in the overall scheme of things.
Have a look at the Cats from Friday night, they have big bodied players and it makes a impact on the smaller players like the Bulldogs have.
Thats what Wallace will develop at Punt Road and it WONT win a flag.
Sure it will be successful but not to he pinnacle and thats what its all about.
Wallace must go.
thats cats team is 7 yrs in teh making, in 7 yrs time thursty and mguane will be much bigger.
by the way, they may be skinny but they both beat their opponents on the weekend
our backline probs are raines, joel and newman. all 3 unaccountable and shocking defensively.
I agree X, they both played well yesterday BUT, i cant see either of them getting a great deal bigger in the muscle stakes.
Thursty done his knee and should have shown some sign of upper body development after a year off, sadly this isnt the case.
McGuane has some tone but has really bulked up a lot over the last 3 years. He will be stronger than Thursty most likely. I dont think either can hold down a KP long term.
what because both are only about 191cm?
Mal Michael is only 190cm and perhaps the strongest fellow in the AFL
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IIRC there were some people here (and I'm not talking about anyone specifically, just can't remember who they were) that were glad to see the last of Rodan.
yep, me!
and dont worry, rodan was always gonna have a gr8 yr this yr, next yr when he is comfortable the real rodan will stand up. he is playing 4 his career atm, next yr will be different, by rnd 12 we will see the end of him
And me to and to be totally honest i dont really care that hes had a good season at Port, he wasnt going to take US anywhere. Good luck to the boy but the right decision was made.