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Snippets from "High and mighty"
Martin Blake | September 9, 2007 | The Age
Brad Ottens has suffered from excessively high expectations from the time he walked into Richmond from Adelaide as a teenager at the end of 1997. He was the No. 2 draft pick, an All-Australian under-18 player and the son of a South Australian football star, Dean Ottens, who was a member of Sturt's flag-hogging teams of the 1960s and 1970s.
He had the pedigree and he looked a player, a big-time player. No one was particularly surprised when he sauntered into an All-Australian team in 2001, just his fourth season, as a goalkicker (he snared 46 goals that year with picture-perfect drop punts) and an occasional ruckman.
Then in 2002 he damaged his back, requiring surgery to remove part of a vertebrae. Around the same time, according to his then-coach, Danny Frawley, he matured physically. "Brad grew into a big man," says Frawley. "And he lost that agility he had because of his back injury. He was leading in straight lines. The better defenders could just pick him off."
So began a downward spiral that would take him out of Punt Road three years later. For the first time, Ottens drew the public heat familiar to all but the best of players. He was on big money as a result of his 2000-2001 performances, but his output did not justify it.
Frawley went at the same time in 2005, his coaching days over. He recalls a telephone call from his prized player near the end. "I didn't want to do the wrong thing by the club," says Frawley. "But he'd made up his mind. He was going to leave."
Ottens told his coach that Sydney and Geelong were interested. "What's (Paul) ‘Roosy' want?" was Frawley's first question, and Ottens said that the Swans wanted a ruckman (they would eventually get Darren Jolly out of Melbourne). Ottens told Frawley that Cats coach Mark Thompson wanted to use him primarily as a forward.
"He was keen on Geelong because of the lifestyle," says Frawley. "But I pretty much told him he should be looking at Sydney. I said, ‘That (rucking) is where you're at, Brad'. I thought it (Geelong) was fraught with danger because he was going to be the great white hope. They hadn't had the forwards since (Gary) Ablett and (Bill) Brownless and he's such a good guy, those things can eat at him at times."
Brad Ottens was always a ruckman, as far back as his teenage years, when he led Emmanuel College to a premiership in public school football while he boarded in Adelaide - the only flag of his footballing life. "It's been my natural position," he says. Brendan McCartney, Geelong's stoppage coach, saw it all along. McCartney was Richmond's reserves coach when Ottens first arrived in Melbourne. "He was an exceptional ruckman from day one. He knew how to palm the ball and he knew how to find a teammate."
The public expected him to bash and crash, when in reality, he had his eye on the football. "I don't think I need to throw elbows around or get myself reported. It's something I've never done. If I did it, it wouldn't be natural," says Ottens.
At one point, Richmond coach Terry Wallace, attempting a Sheedyesque ramping up of the atmosphere before a Tigers-Cats match, publicly accused Ottens of leaving Richmond for money.
In truth, Ottens had been offered a smaller contract by Richmond but he was in a rut anyway, and he believed he needed a change. Sources suggest that Ottens thought there was no room in the Tigers' forward line for both he and Matthew Richardson. Wallace's comments stung, but only momentarily. "I knew the reasons why I left, and people that matter to me knew the reasons. That was just his opinion. I'd spent seven years at Richmond.
"I guess my performance had dropped away a bit. I wanted to get a bit more out of my footy and enjoy it a bit more and to do that I had to make a change. I've never thought twice about it since. It doesn't bother me. I haven't had a whole lot to do with him."
Recruiter Stephen Wells' 2005 trade for Ottens - Richmond extracted draft picks with which it selected Danny Meyer and Adam Pattison - looks a better deal with each passing moment.
Full article at: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/high-and-mighty/2007/09/08/1188783557068.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Let's wait and see if the donut goes missing today when it counts.
If he stars today I might change my mind about his worth.
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... "I'd spent seven years at Richmond." ...
Yes .. yes you had. While we nursed you through back trouble and jumping on garden stakes and paid you an absolute fortune. Us poor supporters sat there while you we injured hoping and praying you got back to your best, and happy to wait because we felt you were worth it. You are now getting back to your best and all our hard work and patience is finally paying off. But hang on, your playing for Geelong after leaving us at our darkest hour. Well Brad I suppose you will understand, being the reasonable sort of guy that you are, if I say "Thanks for nothing".
Enjoy your finals campaign.
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Oh yes whilst Geelong are in pole position going into finals
then yes the deal is great is it?
Fools fools fools in the media writing about crap and filling a page
in the paper that would be best spent writing about something else more worthwhile.
Wasn't it not this time last year when Geelong were ready to have their soul
searching self evaluation when people were critical of the Cats in general as an organisation from top to bottom and Ottens as one
of those players that have not pulled their fingers out of their behind to play for their coach. If Geelong goes out in straight sets or fails to win the flag well would that be not egg on this journos face and Ottens?
Oh yes and your troubles with alcohol Brad I suppose they are less of an issue at Geelong as opposed to your former club at Richmond. A characterless and souless individual who left the football club when it was rock bottom. If Geelong do win the flag I hope you are on the sidelines suspended and injured and if indeed my wishes do come true next time the sides meet Terry has the boys fired up and the boys make a beeline for him and let him know about his loss. Sorry guys I'm rambling on now. :lol
Much like the Buckley story leaving Brisbane to go and play Premierships at the Pies. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what happened in 2002 and 2003 and who did you lose to Bucks. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
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Is Spud now the media's speaker of all things Richmond because they can't actually get a story off someone who is actually at Richmond? :chuck
If Otto had stayed the media would be criticising us for not trading him and getting a young tall like Patto ::). By the time we'll be in contention again Otto will be near the end of his career.
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Of course it was a great deal for Geelong, we never wanted Ottens to go, Wallace tried to talk him out of it, ottens was one of our best, he got sick of our ineptitude and left and now it looks very likely that he will be wearing a premiership medallion very shortly, good on him.
Rodan is another one, only we wanted to get rid of him, god only knows why, the blokes a winner.
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I've never thought twice about it since. It doesn't bother me
Game set and match - that sums up Ottens completely.
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Of course it was a great deal for Geelong, we never wanted Ottens to go, Wallace tried to talk him out of it, ottens was one of our best, he got sick of our ineptitude and left and now it looks very likely that he will be wearing a premiership medallion very shortly, good on him.
He wasn't exactly above that ineptitude though RR with just one top year in seven and he said publicly first he wanted to stay. It's taken his 3rd year at Geelong and playing ruck to a midfield containing Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Enright, Chapman and co to show form anywhere near that of his 2001 AA form. Good luck to him as I agree I think he'll have a premiership medallion in 3 weeks time but we can't blame the RFC for his struggling first 2 years at Geelong after 3 below par years at Punt Rd.
Same goes for Rodan. Now playing very well as second fiddle to the Burgoynes, Cornes, Pearce, Cassisi and Salopek. We also had D-Rod coming back from a knee.
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Brad who? :sleep
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"I knew the reasons why I left, and people that matter to me knew the reasons. That was just his opinion. I'd spent seven years at Richmond.
Brad sadly you just don't get it.
You told the entire footy world you wanted to stay, sat across from the then new coach and said you wanted to stay
You got offered a reduced contract and low and behold you decided to leave...
These aren't dreams people had Brad these are things that happened ... things you said...
Sugar coat it any way you want you walked out and took more money
You left a club that was bloody good to you but when things got tough you jumped.. to the cosy confines of Geelong.
Enough said...
Twit
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In the end we got nothing out of the Ottens' trade :-\ but there was nothing wrong with the picks 12 and 16 we got in return in the actual trade. We just had a two-man recruiting band who wasted them :P. Looking back the draft wasn't as strong as everyone was making out at the time. Plenty of flops and just ordinary players outside the top 7. Had we picked up a Van Berlo and perhaps Cameron Wood (not that he's a certainty either) we wouldn't have thought twice about re-doing the trade now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_AFL_Draft
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In the end we got nothing out of the Ottens' trade :-\ but there was nothing wrong with the picks 12 and 16 we got in return in the actual trade. We just had a two-man recruiting band who wasted them :P. Looking back the draft wasn't as strong as everyone was making out at the time. Plenty of flops and just ordinary players outside the top 7. Had we picked up a Van Berlo and perhaps Cameron Wood (not that he's a certainty either) we wouldn't have thought twice about re-doing the trade now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_AFL_Draft
Have to agree. Two first round draft picks for a bloke who has had back surgery is not a bad deal. It's then up to the club to draft smart and the develop properly. That's the part that went pear shaped.
The last bloke before that traded with a crook back was Hoggy. Hoggy didnt do much after that while Butch Gale and Broddo both gave good service. Cant think of the name of the other we got, but he was a flop. Still, killed the pig with that deal.
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In the end we got nothing out of the Ottens' trade :-\ but there was nothing wrong with the picks 12 and 16 we got in return in the actual trade. We just had a two-man recruiting band who wasted them :P. Looking back the draft wasn't as strong as everyone was making out at the time. Plenty of flops and just ordinary players outside the top 7. Had we picked up a Van Berlo and perhaps Cameron Wood (not that he's a certainty either) we wouldn't have thought twice about re-doing the trade now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_AFL_Draft
At the time of the draft it should have always been Monfries & Wood
I couldn't believe it when we overlooked a true ruckman with 12 & even more so 16
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Still has me stunned that we did not draft Cameron Wood :o
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Losing Ottens was the wrong move, we should not have asked him to take a pay cut.
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Discusting, never should have happened, that bloke owed us end of story, we stuck with him through injuries caused off field. Regardless of any pay cut, he owed us, this is the worst I have ever felt about a player leaving our club. I don't give a crap about Rodan or who ever else but the Ottens one hurt.
He fell off a ladder and a garden stake went through his leg, we stuck with him and then he played like a rat for two years after that, he shouldn't have even been payed let alone take a pay cut. I can even remember Frawley at the time saying he owed Richmond and that was after Frawley left the club.
Ottens is a dog and I hope he never plays another game.... and I never say that about rival clubs players but this guy is a piece of work IMO :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Losing Ottens was the wrong move, we should not have asked him to take a pay cut.
Can't agree with that, he'd offered us nothing the previous couple of years
He deserved the pay cut, yet was also one of our highest valued players in regards to trade value
The move was the right one, unfortunatly Greg Beck was still in charge of recruiting and his track record speaks for itself
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Losing Ottens was the wrong move, we should not have asked him to take a pay cut.
Can't agree with that, he'd offered us nothing the previous couple of years
He deserved the pay cut, yet was also one of our highest valued players in regards to trade value
The move was the right one, unfortunatly Greg Beck was still in charge of recruiting and his track record speaks for itself
Yes got to agree with Imfamy.
Ottens was always injured & his form was never great at Tigerland. His Ruck work was landing at players feet
Seems he just didnot have the right players around him at Richmond to get his game going or the self esteem. So was best for all parties he move on.
What we got for him went out the door in recruiting
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Discusting, never should have happened, that bloke owed us end of story, we stuck with him through injuries caused off field. Regardless of any pay cut, he owed us, this is the worst I have ever felt about a player leaving our club. I don't give a crap about Rodan or who ever else but the Ottens one hurt.
He fell off a ladder and a garden stake went through his leg, we stuck with him and then he played like a rat for two years after that, he shouldn't have even been payed let alone take a pay cut. I can even remember Frawley at the time saying he owed Richmond and that was after Frawley left the club.
Ottens is a dog and I hope he never plays another game.... and I never say that about rival clubs players but this guy is a piece of work IMO :banghead :banghead :banghead
Clubs have a bad habit of treating players like dogs so its no wonder players get cynical and look out for their own interests.
Coaches even publicly say it all the time "footy" is no place for sentiment. How does that inspire any loyalty. So its no surprise players go for the money. I think he did the right thing by himself and probably the right thing by the Tiges too. We just misused the picks. Good on him.
People bag guys like Nathan Brown for being money hungry but its not the 70's anymore, its a big professional business.
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Agreed, you can't have double standards
People wax lyrical about there being no sentiment in football yet want their players to remain loyal and sacrifice a higher salary elsewhere. The players know the club will cut them loose the moment its in their best interests, the result of that is players who act selfishly... and rightfully so. For the mid range players good on 'em, the stars know that they'll make more staying with the one club as they can earn double on the veterans list which is why you don't see many guns change clubs.
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Agreed, you can't have double standards
People wax lyrical about there being no sentiment in football yet want their players to remain loyal and sacrifice a higher salary elsewhere. The players know the club will cut them loose the moment its in their best interests, the result of that is players who act selfishly... and rightfully so. For the mid range players good on 'em, the stars know that they'll make more staying with the one club as they can earn double on the veterans list which is why you don't see many guns change clubs.
I have a chuckle everytime I read someone's opinion that a player should have been expected to show some loyalty to his club or he gets lambasted for moving because of money. Loyalty is a 2 way street and every AFL club moved on from that many years ago. Loyalty to the club is only a figment of people's memories.
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What got up people's goats at the time was Ottens said first he was staying and then a few weeks later he said he wanted out. He said it wasn't about money but as soon as he was offered a reduced contract (because he wasn't performing anywhere near the 2001 level he was being paid at) he "changed" his mind. No doubt he made the right choice for himself going to Geelong and he will walk away from the game with at least 2 premiership medallions but when he wanted out of Richmond then he should have been up front about it. He also tried to blame Richmond for his lack of form but his first two years at Geelong were hardly anything to write home about either. Imagine if we had retained Ottens for a further two years meaning 5 straight years of him injury-prone and underperforming. Everyone in the media would have bagged us for not trading him when we had the chance.
To trade Ottens once he said he wanted out was the right idea. We just stuffed up on draft day to get anything decent and long-term in exchange for him :P. In hindsight given how the 2004 draft turned out maybe we should have asked for one top 5 pick rather than two first rounders of any kind but everyone was calling 2004 a superdraft like 2001 and in any case it would have been highly unlikely Hawthorn or the Doggies would have traded an early pick as both were rebuilding. Perhaps Collingwood's pick 7 was the earliest we could have got as the Pies did swap it for pick 10 from Hawthorn in that trade week. Getting a Jordan Lewis would've been better than nothing. Oh well just all ifs and maybes and nothing we can do about it now.
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There's always someone in the media who will find a need to bring Richmond up and bag us even when we aren't even involved. Crawf wrongly says we let Otto go when Otto was the one who wanted to leave.
"What was Richmond ever thinking, letting Brad Ottens leave all those years ago? The Tigers have been desperate for a ruckman for some time, and Ottens is now a three-time premiership player with the Cats.
He gave the midfield first use of the ball, and his bash-crash follow-up work was critical."
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/believe-it-or-not-doubters-three-out-of-five-adds-up-to-full-marks-for-geelong/story-fn76njus-1226155356775
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It's once again what we did or rather didn't do with the two first round picks that makes the trade now look ridiculous. It just shows at the time how much it was amateur hour within our footy dept. A professional club would've had a list manager and recruiting team analysing the talent and depth of the 2004 draft since the kids where in the U16s rather than leaving it up to just two people with zero resources and hardly a clue anyway to try and guessimate what Otto was worth on the trade table. The 2004 draft was a fairly weak one beyond pick 7. Even ignoring wrongly selecting Meyer and Patto, picks 12 and 16 were hardly a reasonable return for Otto in such a poor draft year. The depth of draft years 2002-4 was ordinary. Compare that to say the 2006 draft where the same picks could have gained us Frawley and Mitch Brown or better still 2007 - Rioli and Harry Taylor. Even 2005 could've got a Jones/Hurn and Max Bailey. Then again we probably still would've gone for JON and Hughes in 2005 as we still had no full-time recruiting staff back then :P.
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MT, it is actually much worse a trade than that. I heard the other week from a source very closely connected with the Cats that they first offered Stevie J and James Bartel and we knocked it back!
We wanted 2 first round picks with one pick in the top 10, we ended up with 12 & 16 and we all know what happened after that.
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Still vouch it was a very poor decision to move Ottens on, which we effectively did by reducing his contract.
Especially as he was about to enter his prime as a tall.
Good clubs don't shaft their best players but we did and got burned big time for doing so.
Just dumb.
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he was pretty far from our best player, he was dragging his heals, he didn't have his heart with us, he wanted success and more money and we weren't delivering either.
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he had also recently had back surgery.
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he was pretty far from our best player, he was dragging his heals, he didn't have his heart with us, he wanted success and more money and we weren't delivering either.
What absolute rubbish.
He was clearly one of our best players but was affected by injury.
Ottens was unfairly lambasted by Richmond supporters and there's still a lot of misplaced bitterness.
Another case of too much left to too few and our good players copping the flak for poor TEAM performance.
He's thrived at the Cats because they have good players around him where as we had hardly any.
A very big piece of their puzzle that's now won 3 flags.
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MT, it is actually much worse a trade than that. I heard the other week from a source very closely connected with the Cats that they first offered Stevie J and James Bartel and we knocked it back!
We wanted 2 first round picks with one pick in the top 10, we ended up with 12 & 16 and we all know what happened after that.
Oh MY God!!!
That is devistating if true. Either one would have been adequate reward, but both!!!!
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he was pretty far from our best player, he was dragging his heals, he didn't have his heart with us, he wanted success and more money and we weren't delivering either.
What absolute rubbish.
He was clearly one of our best players but was affected by injury.
Ottens was unfairly lambasted by Richmond supporters and there's still a lot of misplaced bitterness.
Another case of too much left to too few and our good players copping the flak for poor TEAM performance.
He's thrived at the Cats because they have good players around him where as we had hardly any.
A very big piece of their puzzle that's now won 3 flags.
So, as I said, he wanted success, and we weren't delivering, he wanted more money and he got offered less, He had 2 stuffing years of rehab on his back so spare me. Richo was our best player.
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MT, it is actually much worse a trade than that. I heard the other week from a source very closely connected with the Cats that they first offered Stevie J and James Bartel and we knocked it back!
We wanted 2 first round picks with one pick in the top 10, we ended up with 12 & 16 and we all know what happened after that.
That's almost unbelievable. :-[
Richo was our best player.
I said 'players' not player.
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What people forget is that Ottens sustained his injury falling out of a tree! He did it himself! It did not occur with him risking all on the footy field. The club had every right to ask him to accept a pay cut as he was on big money for doing SFA. He had also developed footdrop at the time and some medical opinion was that he may not regain full mobility again.
Let's not let facts get in the way of a good story!!!
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Still vouch it was a very poor decision to move Ottens on, which we effectively did by reducing his contract.
Especially as he was about to enter his prime as a tall.
Good clubs don't shaft their best players but we did and got burned big time for doing so.
Just dumb.
Sorry Magic but absolute crap
Facts:
Prior to the final game of the season Ottens is on MMM sayign he wants to be a one club player and wants to stay at Richmond.. remember it soooooooooooooo well
New contract is put before him in the last week of the season which is more incentive based than his current deal. Means his base figunre is slightly reduced but if he meats all the incentives he will actually get paid more than his current deal
A week after the season finsihed he meets the club (read Miller & Tezza) and says he wants out
Who shafted who exactly?
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The bloke did a maxfield on us, simple as that, he chased some glory and some guaranteed dollars. He didn't deliver straight away for Geelong either, has had long injured patches and in the end I believe we did the right thing, we certainly could not of afforded to carry him in the same way Geelong have, they had the depth in the end to cover his long absences I suppose. At the end of the day he did what was best for himself, and I didn't even flinch when we traded him, the two picks were, given the circumstances, suitable, and we muffed them up at our end.
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Its time to move on and look to the future. Hopefully with a couple new young players who can develop into A grade players.
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Most overrated player ever
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Its time to move on and look to the future. Hopefully with a couple new young players who can develop into A grade players.
That's right we need to stop dwindling on the past. Otten's made his decision years ago now. The club succeed in doing a trade for a couple of early pick but unfortunately it didn't work out for us.
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Most overrated player ever
bull poo. stop being bitter.
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Most overrated player ever
bull poo. stop being bitter.
Nup , not bitter at all mate. Next time I'll put IMO at the end of my post just for you
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You are bitter. You're the most bitter person I have ever known... You wish he still played for us.
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You are bitter. You're the most bitter person I have ever known... You wish he still played for us.
Haha ! you are wrong on all counts my friend. Firstly you don't know me and as for Ottens , well , the bloke's had two or three reasonably good seasons in his whole career and generally only plays a handful of games per year. Was ok yesterday. That's all... and his opponent was on one leg but still got more hitouts. Was effing terrible in the GF loss to Hawthorn in 08 too.
Yep , severely overrated IMO
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Sorry, champ, but you've got NFI. Generally only plays a handful of games per year? He has played one season where he's played less than half the year. :lol he has played close to 250 games and is 31 :lol yep, obviously only plays a handful of games a year. ;D Two or three reasonable seasons :lol Biased, bitter ;D and pathetic are 3 words that sum you up well. ;D
Get a clue or go and support Freo like your old man did.
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Sorry, champ, but you've got NFI. Generally only plays a handful of games per year? He has played one season where he's played less than half the year. :lol he has played close to 250 games and is 31 :lol yep, obviously only plays a handful of games a year. ;D Two or three reasonable seasons :lol Biased, bitter ;D and pathetic are 3 words that sum you up well. ;D
Get a clue or go and support Freo like your old man did.
Brad Ottens total games missed over his career :
10 in his 1st season
10 in his 6th
7 in his 8th
6 in his 11th
16 in his 12th
7 in his 13th
I don't have the stats for this year but I'd say he's missed about 16 games.
Yep , soft, overrated spud.
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I think we should all take a cool tool
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Black, thank you for proving my point you nutter. :lol he played nearly every game this year :lol
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Black, thank you for proving my point you nutter. :lol he played nearly every game this year :lol
:lol
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Still believe we won out of the Ottens trade in terms of who got what for what (Before drafting).
2 first round draft picks for a guy who wanted out of a club and was going through an ACL rehab.
Its just a shame we had a bunch of retards who were in charge of drafting at the time.
Who would you call a modern day Ottens. Shane Mumford? Todd Goldstein?
Would you rather Pick 12 and Pick 16 or either one of these players.
Give me the draft picks every single day of the week. We should have 2 B+ graders of 150+ AFL games each our list thanks to Ottens departure but we stuffed that up with deplorable recruiting.
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Not really deserving of its own thread but Ottens has a video clip reflecting his first AFL game (our R1 1998 win over the Bombers). There's some footage from the game included.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/125705/default.aspx#embedvideoplayer
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Still believe we won out of the Ottens trade in terms of who got what for what (Before drafting).
2 first round draft picks for a guy who wanted out of a club and was going through an ACL rehab.
Its just a shame we had a bunch of fools who were in charge of drafting at the time.
Who would you call a modern day Ottens. Shane Mumford? Todd Goldstein?
Would you rather Pick 12 and Pick 16 or either one of these players.
Give me the draft picks every single day of the week. We should have 2 B+ graders of 150+ AFL games each our list thanks to Ottens departure but we stuffed that up with deplorable recruiting.
we won out you reckon popey :lol, do you realise we were offered Brent Moloney and corey enright, and miller scoffed at the prospect...lord knows how many flags we would have WON :shh
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yeah man. Moloney and Enright would have won us flags :lol
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yeah man. Moloney and Enright would have won us flags :lol
Let's be very clear, we were offered Stevie J and J Bartel. Whichever way you look at it, we stuffed up the deal no fault of Meyers or Pattison nor Bartel or Stevie J nor Ottens.
Just RFC fools running the club att
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no argument there. but i dont think any two players would have come in and won us a flag...especially with Wallet running the show
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Brad left Punt Rd as he wanted to play in a premiership team and wanted more money.
Source= his family
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Don't forget Stevie J looked like being a talented loose cannon who never got the best from himself until Geelong pulled him into line with an intra club suspension.
I suspect if he had come to RFC he wouldn't have gotten the best out of himself.
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Don't forget Stevie J looked like being a talented loose cannon who never got the best from himself until Geelong pulled him into line with an intra club suspension.
I suspect if he had come to RFC he wouldn't have gotten the best out of himself.
Relton Roberts style ;D ;D
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Relton Roberts style ;D ;D
I reckon you can mount a far argument that Relton at Geelong is now a 35 game 100 goal forward with a Premiership.
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yeah man. Moloney and Enright would have won us flags :lol
Let's be very clear, we were offered Stevie J and J Bartel. Whichever way you look at it, we stuffed up the deal no fault of Meyers or Pattison nor Bartel or Stevie J nor Ottens.
Just RFC fools running the club att
nope it was just maloney and 16. the rfc did not want moloney and insisted we get another 1st rnd pick.geelong then off loaded him to melb.
i know bartel was offered up in trade to the eagles at one stage but cant remember the details.
okay i think geelong were very smart they said to themselves if you dont have a pic in the top 6 or 7 you could end up with nothing so they traded out of what has to be the worst draft of all time.
if we had people in charge who knew what they were doing 2004 would not have been the yr we traded good players for draft picks.
have a look at this list.
8 meeson.
9 russell.
10 egan
11 thomson
12 meyer
13 bate
14 monfries
15 dunn
16 pattison
17 mcqualter
18 wood
19 willits
20 polo
21 murphy
22wells
23 rusling
24 van berlo
25 hartlett
26 little
27 garner
28 gibson
29 rosa
30 lee. 13 of 22 are gone and the rest are average at the best. not just richmond but every side struggled
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Claw, papers say what they say, in this case the truth is different. No matter, we don't win a flag whichever way you look at it.
Anyways, here we are 2012 with nothing to show for the Ottens deal.
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no argument there. but i dont think any two players would have come in and won us a flag...especially with Wallet running the show
thats precisely it davey, you THINK, you dont know...I'll tell you one thing we would have won a whole lot more games than what we chalked up over the journey :shh
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You think................
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...I'll tell you one thing we would have won a whole lot more games than what we chalked up over the journey :shh
lol.....look at you go Nostradamus! The funny thing is Moloney ended up at Melbourne and sure as hell hasn't helped them out much :lol :lol
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You think................
ummm, errr, I'm working on the hypothesis that Enright and moloney were infinitely better AFL footballers than patto and meyer...but hey you can challenge that :lol
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Most overrated player ever
Thought this comment needed a bump. get a clue you nuffer ;D