One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Ramps on October 08, 2007, 10:45:05 PM
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Was at Collingwood running Football and Collingwood got to 2 grand finals.
Went to Geelong, Geelong wins a Flag
Was a decent coach way back, has got fantastic business acumen from what Ive been told.
Richmond Premiership Player who hasnt found his way back to Punt Rd
and we're running around trying to Recruit Blokes like Hooper and giving away 2nd rounders for Mitch Morton lol...atleast according to the media.
If we fail in this trade period, then there must be change and NEIL BALME needs to be a target for our club. His record at Collingwood and Geelong cannot be underestimated. If we fail, Greg needs to be looked at and someone like Neil would make a good candidate for head of football at Richmond.
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Balmey has done well as a footy manager although the Pies let him go rather than the Cats poaching him.
Weren't we meant to be getting a new recruiting chief to oversee and help Francis Jackson? It's gone all quiet on that front for the past couple of months. We're probably are waiting for an existing recruiter to finish up with his current club before crossing over.
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Tigers should pounce on Neil Balme
Kevin Sheedy | September 21, 2008
RICHMOND needs to get serious and go after Neil Balme.
The club needs a football manager and Balme is the perfect candidate. Look at his record and the evidence is compelling.
He has just made it to his fourth Grand Final in the past six years - two while at Collingwood in 2002 and 2003 and now with this mighty Geelong outfit.
For a guy who isn't coaching that is a remarkable effort.
I personally put my hand up for him to join Essendon in the middle of 2006. At the time the CEO Peter Jackson felt he wasn't right for us.
He slipped through and it was a drastic mistake, considering we were struggling at the time.
Balme seems to have the capacity to get coaches to work together. If not for a freakish snap by Jason Akermanis he would have won a flag with Collingwood in 2002.
In Adelaide he was a manager and a coach who won premierships and then he came across to do a reasonably successful job as head coach of Melbourne.
He doesn't appear to get flustered and keeps a lid on issues by playing it tight but fair.
Graeme Richmond and Alan Schwab would never have allowed him to drive past Richmond from his home in the eastern suburbs.
The current administration would be foolish to overlook him and need to do whatever it takes to get him back there.
With his experience he would make an ideal No.2 to coach Terry Wallace.
For a team that consistently keeps finishing ninth he could be the difference. He would be the first person you'd get back, especially losing someone such as Greg Miller.
You can interview all the people in the world, but there are some who just have that "it" factor.
Sometimes the plant nearest the back door doesn't get watered because you just keep walking past it.
That happened with North Melbourne when Denis Pagan was overlooked for a reserves or senior job and came to Essendon.
Then the Roos came back to nab him and he went on to win two premierships.
It also happened with Mark Williams. At Glenelg they said, 'We don't think you're good enough'. He won a premiership with Port within a decade.
Sometimes people around the corner get walked past too readily.
And it shouldn't be forgotten that Balme had a tremendous career at Tigerland.
He wasn't Royce Hart or Francis Bourke, but he was a really good contributor to the team. A lion in the goal square who smashed hell out of the great Carlton Football Club.
And in the top job he did well, too. You don't have to win the premiership to be regarded as a top-class coach. Stan Alves got to a Grand Final and didn't win.
Neale Daniher is a classic case. How Victorian clubs let West Coast sign him is a disgrace and another huge error in judgment.
One of the best football managers I had was Matthew Drain.
He left and we never filled that spot properly. The football manager controls the whole conveyance of the club and is a very important piece in the puzzle.
You look at Bomber Thompson and he is as relaxed as ever.
Since Balme has come on board he has been relieved of many duties and he has been able to simply concentrate on coaching.
I don't know Balme that well.
He doesn't live in my back pocket but I just respect results. And Richmond needs an abundance of those.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24377087-19742,00.html
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Correct weight Sheeds. :clapping
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Most of us have wanted Balme back for a fair while. Sheeds is 100%. Balme is the candidate that we need. Its such a shame that we havent got him back to Punt Rd all these years.
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An interesting article and I think he is pretty much on the money. It does raise a few interesting points:
"Graeme Richmond and Alan Schwab would never have allowed him to drive past Richmond from his home in the eastern suburbs.
The current administration would be foolish to overlook him and need to do whatever it takes to get him back there.
With his experience he would make an ideal No.2 to coach Terry Wallace."
This is the most forthright or direct statement Sheedy has made in regard to his old club. In the past he has spoken in 'Sheedy-speak', waffling on saying things and stirring the pot without being accused of saying anything controversial or antagonistic. He appears to be much more intent this time.
"For a team that consistently keeps finishing ninth he could be the difference. He would be the first person you'd get back, especially losing someone such as Greg Miller.
You can interview all the people in the world, but there are some who just have that "it" factor."
This is especially pertinent given his 'history' with Miller. Publicly they didn't get on and yet he appears to be sending a strong message that we now have a responsibility and need to replace some big shoes with some just as big (or even bigger).
"Sometimes the plant nearest the back door doesn't get watered because you just keep walking past it.
Sometimes people around the corner get walked past too readily.
And it shouldn't be forgotten that Balme had a tremendous career at Tigerland."
This was the bit that got me thinking the most. Even though the article is ostensibly about Balme and Richmond, I just can't help but wonder if he isn't making a covert pitch for himself in a mentoring/football manager/department overseer type of role. As I mentioned earlier, it wouldn't be the first time he has used a third party to carry the intent of his 'real' message. Martians and seagulls anyone?
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remove wallace and i think you would have sheedy balme and many others knocking on the door wanting to come back. wallace loves surrounding himself with people who are inferior to him, and people that are close to him.
rawlings, mcrae & king are no threat to him, while royal and gordon casey are long and loyal servants to wallace. dont expect to land a big fish while wallace is still there.
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Except Balme signed a new 2 year contract with Geelong only a month or two ago
I doubt it has a get out clause to take up a similar position at another club
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remove wallace and i think you would have sheedy balme and many others knocking on the door wanting to come back. wallace loves surrounding himself with people who are inferior to him, and people that are close to him.
rawlings, mcrae & king are no threat to him, while royal and gordon casey are long and loyal servants to wallace. dont expect to land a big fish while wallace is still there.
Is this Jack? lol
Weren't people saying Wallace should have no say in who the club gets or no say in anything for that matter ::)
This is purely the hierarchy not doing their job, nothing to do with Wallace.
We have no head of footy and we have no major sponsor.
Or are you going to blame Wallace for that too lol
It's about time March and all his cronies like yourself stopped blaming Wallace for everything. March should get to and do his job and land a major sponsor and a head of footy.
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Except Balme signed a new 2 year contract with Geelong only a month or two ago
I doubt it has a get out clause to take up a similar position at another club
And he's never seemed remotely interested even before Wallace was there ::)
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Except Balme signed a new 2 year contract with Geelong only a month or two ago
I doubt it has a get out clause to take up a similar position at another club
Late July I think it was Infamy...
Fact is Balme is not an option... so can we move on.
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Late July I think it was Infamy...
This year certainly has gone fast
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Except Balme signed a new 2 year contract with Geelong only a month or two ago
I doubt it has a get out clause to take up a similar position at another club
Yep Sheeds just conveniently left out that little crucial detail. It also makes a mockery of March's claim that we sacked Miller after round 16 because we couldn't wait until the end of the season to get the best candidate. Balmey had already re-signed with Geelong before Miller's sacking.
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Sheeds also doesn't seem to understand the position. It will be TW's boss, not an ideal No.2 to him.
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From today's Age.... (I think by Caro?)
Balme attended Richmond's season launch and powerful people behind the scenes remain intent on bringing him back to Tigerland. The view is that he would be an ideal president.
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Balmey not going anywhere and besides he's knocks back a footy role with the club every other year so why then make him president?
He's a administrative version of sheedy
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Why would Neil Balme leave a good PAYING job at Geelong to come back to Richmond to assume the role of President which is non paying :-\
;D
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powerful people behind the scenes
Nameless of course as usual :sleep
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powerful people behind the scenes
Nameless of course as usual :sleep
the coteries lol
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KB was stirring up Balmey this morning, calling him President etc.
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Gee wouldn't it be great, he would be better than Eddie every ware, he has had experience at very successfull clubs, the knowledge he would bring..... :pray
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Doesn't strike me as a president.
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President O-Balme-a :lol
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Dual Tigers premiership player Neil Balme linked to vacant football manager position at Richmond
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
February 19, 2013
RICHMOND is likely to start the season without a football manager.
The Tigers have started their search, but are in no rush to appoint a replacement for Craig Cameron, who resigned this month to join the racing industry.
Respected Geelong football manager Neil Balme has been linked to the role.
Balme, a dual Richmond premiership player, refused to dismiss the rumours yesterday.
Asked if he could end speculation, Balme said: "You can say what you like."
It is known Richmond opposition analyst Wayne Campbell, who played 297 games for the Tigers, is a contender and has held talks with club chiefs about the job.
The Tigers are confident Cameron's shock departure - on the eve of the AFL season - will not have an impact on what shapes as a huge year for the club.
Richmond is considered a legitimate chance to play finals for the first time since 2001, when it lost a preliminary final to eventual premiers Brisbane Lions.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-in-no-hurry/story-stuff-1226580670759
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Upgrade :thumbsup
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:dancing
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Seems like Balmey gave the journo the cold shoulder so then the journo decided to write this story anyway.
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Seems like Balmey gave the journo the cold shoulder so then the journo decided to write this story anyway.
Yep, internal promotion seems likely
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Seems like Balmey gave the journo the cold shoulder so then the journo decided to write this story anyway.
Well he did say you can say what you like.
(don't they most of the time?)
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Kevin Sheedy anyone???
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Kevin Sheedy anyone???
Sheedy can FO, where was he when he was really needed?? :thumbsup
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Doesn't Campbell change jobs every year? If he's all over it you can bet he'll talk his way into the position. Probably orchestrated Graig's departure.
This is like when we last tried to fill the role "after an extensive search we have decided to promote from within, it is our opinion that Craig Cameron is the ideal candidate, and the best available"
aka no-one wants the job or we don't have the coin to pay them :scream
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Be nothing wrong with Campbell getting the job. Smart cookie, astute businessman, strong persona and RFC soldier. :thumbsup
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Geelong is like a fortress.
Even Cook was too scared to leave.
Someone is running that club with an iron fist.
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One things for sure, the role is a hell of a lot more attractive to prospects now compared to 2-3 years ago.
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Be nothing wrong with Campbell getting the job. Smart cookie, astute businessman, strong persona and RFC soldier. :thumbsup
Then there's no reason why Daniel Jackson shouldn't get the job. Can Campbell stick a knife in Dimma's back and then talk the board into appointing him as coach?
:outtahere
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Be nothing wrong with Campbell getting the job. Smart cookie, astute businessman, strong persona and RFC soldier. :thumbsup
Then there's no reason why Daniel Jackson shouldn't get the job. Can Campbell stick a knife in Dimma's back and then talk the board into appointing him as coach?
:outtahere
You're right Coach, Jackson could do the job based on that criteria alone but I think Campbell has a lot of strengths and attributes that could make him a very good Football Manager. And I'm not a subscriber to the conspiracy theory that Campbell was responsible for stabbing Knights in the back so no point us debating that.
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Be nothing wrong with Campbell getting the job. Smart cookie, astute businessman, strong persona and RFC soldier. :thumbsup
Then there's no reason why Daniel Jackson shouldn't get the job. Can Campbell stick a knife in Dimma's back and then talk the board into appointing him as coach?
:outtahere
You're right Coach, Jackson could do the job based on that criteria alone but I think Campbell has a lot of strengths and attributes that could make him a very good Football Manager. And I'm not a subscriber to the conspiracy theory that Campbell was responsible for stabbing Knights in the back so no point us debating that.
dont believe either campbell or jackson meet the requisite to be the footy manager.
geez wayne campbell. while there are some pros there are plenty of cons that one could name.
for me campbell has never had a thing to do with a successful footy operation. plus the run ins hes had trhe knights situation etc all suggests hes not the man for the job.
lol daniel jackson how the hell is he going to be able to make a decision on his mates. what does he know about success.
nope we need the very best there is for this job or at the least the very best person we can get. balmy would be a good start. but there are plenty out there who have served under some pretty good list/footy managers.
unlike 3 or 4 yrs ago there is no reason why prospective employees would not want to come to our club in fact the opposite is occuring. half decent list stability both on and off field debt negligable and a massive club.
just think we can do better than what we have within atm. although i dont think cc would be too hard to upgrade on.
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Cambo had decent wraps from the Doggies as an assistant. He's spent 4-5 years back here as an assistant and now opposition analysis. Surely it's time to move on and chase a head coaching role at another club?? Personally I reckon he could be our next head coach ;D
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Geelong is like a fortress.
Even Cook was too scared to leave.
Someone is running that club with an iron fist.
I think Richmond is the "FORTRESS".
If Richmond had the same success as Geelong had between 2007-2011, we would probably be "THE" richest AFL club.
"IF" only we entered into that fortress ...
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Cambo had decent wraps from the Doggies as an assistant. He's spent 4-5 years back here as an assistant and now opposition analysis. Surely it's time to move on and chase a head coaching role at another club?? Personally I reckon he could be our next head coach ;D
I think if Hardwick ever goes, Williams will throw his hat in. He desperately wants to coach a big Victorian side.
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Vote 1 Neil Balme.
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i can see some serious self flagellation happening if the messiah forsakes us
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:lol
Another messiah. We love 'em don't we!
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Gotta Love Balmey's work. :thumbsup Just ask Geoff Southby. :lol
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Gotta Love Balmey's work. :thumbsup Just ask Geoff Southby. :lol
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:clapping :clapping :clapping
Get Balme!
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Its magnificent watching that stuff again. A hard but fair aggressive attempt at a hip and shoulder by Balmy that just missed - A clear accident. IMHO ;D
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Gotta Love Balmey's work. :thumbsup Just ask Geoff Southby. :lol
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Southby was stuffen kidding.
Balme hardly touched him.
Watch him pull the forearm
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A hard but fair aggressive attempt at a hip and shoulder by Balmy that just missed - A clear accident. IMHO ;D
Your version has an eerie analogy to current events. We all know what we saw but what we have been told is somewhat different! Are you a graduate of the Vlad School of Whitewash by any chance Ramps?
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Ox, Southby was replaced at Half time with severe concussion. I think Balmey hit the G spot for sure (G as in Geoff ;D)
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A hard but fair aggressive attempt at a hip and shoulder by Balmy that just missed - A clear accident. IMHO ;D
Your version has an eerie analogy to current events. We all know what we saw but what we have been told is somewhat different! Are you a graduate of the Vlad School of Whitewash by any chance Ramps?
I shoulda been a lawyer ;D
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Balmy was just trying to tap it over to Sheeds, they should have sited Southby for head butting poor Balmys size 50 fist , filthy animals those Carlton players.
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Geelong is like a fortress.
Even Cook was too scared to leave.
Someone is running that club with an iron fist.
It is called feral supporters.
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Geelong is like a fortress.
Even Cook was too scared to leave.
Someone is running that club with an iron fist.
It is called feral supporters.
I think you have my comments out of context.
I was thinking of a bloke with an iron fist at the Cattery that doesn't work their anymore but I reckon still has strong things to say at the club.
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cosa nostra
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/neil-balme-to-work-at-collingwood-replacing-rodney-eade/story-fnp04d70-1227118233311 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/neil-balme-to-work-at-collingwood-replacing-rodney-eade/story-fnp04d70-1227118233311)
He was obviously available and willing to move but still, we as a club weren't able to secure him or worst, didn't even want to.
:facepalm
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Absolute joke. I guess Mack Bailey is good enough
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apparently a washed up burnt out has been
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A late whinge is still a good one.
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/neil-balme-to-work-at-collingwood-replacing-rodney-eade/story-fnp04d70-1227118233311 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/neil-balme-to-work-at-collingwood-replacing-rodney-eade/story-fnp04d70-1227118233311)
He was obviously available and willing to move but still, we as a club weren't able to secure him or worst, didn't even want to.
:facepalm
Honestly what is the relevance of a post like this other than to try and incite bad blood. Mate or madam take this crap some place else.
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Isnt he eighty odd or something
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Isnt he eighty odd or something
He will be 63 next week.
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Isnt he eighty odd or something
He will be 63 next week.
Had a hard life then by the looks
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Isnt he eighty odd or something
He will be 63 next week.
Had a hard life then by the looks
He did coach Melbourne - that usually adds 20 years...
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http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/neil-balme-to-work-at-collingwood-replacing-rodney-eade/story-fnp04d70-1227118233311 (http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/neil-balme-to-work-at-collingwood-replacing-rodney-eade/story-fnp04d70-1227118233311)
He was obviously available and willing to move but still, we as a club weren't able to secure him or worst, didn't even want to.
:facepalm
Honestly what is the relevance of a post like this other than to try and incite bad blood. Mate or madam take this crap some place else.
Yep. This article is 2 MONTHS OLD.
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Mick Malthouse
Kevin Sheedy
......bla bla bla. Get over them, move on.
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Richmond Tigers focus on Neil Balme
Michael Gleeson
The Age
7 September 2016
Within minutes the focus of Richmond's Focus on Footy ticket appeared to narrow to a simpler vision: Focus on Balme.
The problem with this tight focus on Neil Balme as a football panacea was two-fold and the first was rapidly apparent – they hadn't asked Neil. Obviously you can't hire someone until you have the job yourself, but putting even that aside, it was a clumsy move to nominate who you want before you've spoken to them.
Balme wanted no part of it. Not necessarily the job, mind you, just the politics. He didn't want to be dropped into the middle of an election. But it was a bit late for that by then – he had already been dropped in the middle of it.
Still it is nice to be wanted – it made a change to how he would have felt at Collingwood.
The second problem for the Focus on Footy ticket was this: the incumbent board was already looking at Balme, contemplating the former premiership player for a role at the club. Plainly there is an acknowledgement of an obvious and logical symmetry between the need at Richmond and the apparent lack of want at Collingwood.
The simplest political manoeuvre that the Richmond board could thus offer to squeeze the rebel ticket would be to appoint Balme.
Where would that leave the Focus on Footy ticket? The large part of their football plan involved hiring Balme to the newly titled (but still essentially the same football director role) called CEO of football. True they eventually said "if not Balme then someone of his calibre", but the messaging was clearly "we want Balme".
Without that as an element of their plan the main traction the Focus on Footy group would hope to draw is in the empathy they offer to the disenchanted fan frustrated to the point of disgust with what they have endured on the field.
The smartest political move the Focus on Footy group could have made – which is not to say necessarily the right move merely the smarter move to differentiate themselves from the board and validate themselves as a new broom – would have been to say "we would sack [Damien] Hardwick and we have the cash pay him out".
This would have been a far better political sell than the message they ended up with, which was "we want Hardwick, but not his game plan ... in fact we really don't want Hardwick either but we are stuck with him".
Later on the day of the launch they outright admitted that they were saddled with the two-year contract that the previous board signed Hardwick to and they could not afford to pay him out. They would only guarantee him his job next year but not beyond.
So they did not make sacking Hardwick their pitch because they either do not have the financial backer to fund the payout, or they do not want to waste money in this way.
The rebel ticket want the recruiting overturned but that too has been telegraphed by Brendon Gale's executive team and the ongoing review, which has already seen an overhaul of the assistant coaches. It would appear only a matter of time and timing before further changes occur in recruiting or list management.
(It would incidentally be an unenvious position to be in this week to be the Richmond person returning to the management of Dion Prestia or sounding out Jaeger O'Meara or Jack Steele for instance and insisting that Richmond should be their club of choice.)
If nothing else what the Focus on Footy ticket has done is flush out Peggy O'Neal to deliver the sort of response too long lacking at Richmond.
O'Neal is well respected in the AFL as sharp as a whip and effective. She can make a decision and has clarity around her thinking but she has also plainly preferred the back room to the front.
Clubs are member-based organisations and so the boards and their presidents – at all clubs – do well to remember they need to not only speak for the members they need to speak to them.
On Monday at her press conference there was the strength, the anger and the sense of understanding and empathy Richmond's membership has wanted to hear. In short there was leadership.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-2016-richmond-tigers-stuff.html
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So...........
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I don't agree with his summation on Peg. She was unconvincing and obstinate.
Tells me she can't learn.
Not curious, not humble, not prepared to take responsibility for the mess she has put the club in.
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Peggy states she didn't want any chaos
We have watched a season of chaos Peg 😂
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Relax guys. There'll never be chaos at our club. Sorry her club. The black and gold tigers. Not on her watch. Strong and bold.
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Either the current board or the challengers should be after Neil. They should promise to ring fence him from the politics as he should be and allow to just focus on football matters!
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so, have these clowns thwarted any chance of luring Balme the messiah to the club?
will he continue to part oceans for others rather than lead the tigers the wilderness to the promised land?
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Why the stuff would Balme accept any job under these circumstances
Only reason I could think of would be money, otherwise he might as well stay put and enjoy circus fc
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Staying at Holden Centre
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big noise about the mad # 21 coming home to Punt Road
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ploise axplain
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Waldren & Blake are saying that Balme has committed to Richmond,All that remains is him advising scumwood that he is leaving.
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Well done to phil and jack hiscock for convincing him to come across. These new guys already showing results.
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Balme texting his resignation in
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Waldren & Blake are saying that Balme has committed to Richmond,All that remains is him advising scumwood that he is leaving.
As in, joining the new ticket?
Or coming across with Benny etc?
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Waldren & Blake are saying that Balme has committed to Richmond,All that remains is him advising scumwood that he is leaving.
As in, joining the new ticket?
Or coming across with Benny etc?
Why would you leave a job to take a position with someone that doesnt and might not get a job? That would be pretty dumb aye?
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Waldren & Blake are saying that Balme has committed to Richmond,All that remains is him advising scumwood that he is leaving.
They were taking the pee, they have nfi
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Buckley confident Balme will stay.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/collingwood/collingwood-coach-nathan-buckley-believes-neil-balme-will-remain-at-the-magpies/news-story/1df924711a9d19250044efe37a11c616
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Have posted this in the Board Spill thread but so it doesnt get missed ;D
Also from Today's HUN (11 sept 2016)
Confirmation that Balme has been spoken to by the current board not the challengers....geez you hope Monday's cirucs hasn't stuffed things for the RFC >:(
Any way from page 80 Ando's Shout column
"Word reached this desk that NEIL BALME, that man everbody wanted bar the police earlier in the week, did soeak with a Richmond group regarding the possibility of him working with Dan Richardson, who is currently rhw General Manager of Football.
The problem for the rebel naord ticket is Balme spoke with the incumbents, who remain hopeful of lurong him from Collingwood"
Further to this Jake Niall reported something similar on Fox Sports last Monday
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-plans-to-revamp-its-football-department-countering-focus-on-footy-board-spill-group/news-story/6a537e1295035c317076147b256634cf
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Have posted this in the Board Spill thread but so it doesnt get missed ;D
Also from Today's HUN (11 sept 2016)
Confirmation that Balme has been spoken to by the current board not the challengers....geez you hope Monday's cirucs hasn't stuffed things for the RFC >:(
Any way from page 80 Ando's Shout column
"Word reached this desk that NEIL BALME, that man everbody wanted bar the police earlier in the week, did soeak with a Richmond group regarding the possibility of him working with Dan Richardson, who is currently rhw General Manager of Football.
The problem for the rebel naord ticket is Balme spoke with the incumbents, who remain hopeful of lurong him from Collingwood"
Further to this Jake Niall reported something similar on Fox Sports last Monday
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-plans-to-revamp-its-football-department-countering-focus-on-footy-board-spill-group/news-story/6a537e1295035c317076147b256634cf
So we are getting Neil Balme? Really? What's DanTheMan going to do?
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Have posted this in the Board Spill thread but so it doesnt get missed ;D
Also from Today's HUN (11 sept 2016)
Confirmation that Balme has been spoken to by the current board not the challengers....geez you hope Monday's cirucs hasn't stuffed things for the RFC >:(
Any way from page 80 Ando's Shout column
"Word reached this desk that NEIL BALME, that man everbody wanted bar the police earlier in the week, did soeak with a Richmond group regarding the possibility of him working with Dan Richardson, who is currently rhw General Manager of Football.
The problem for the rebel naord ticket is Balme spoke with the incumbents, who remain hopeful of lurong him from Collingwood"
Further to this Jake Niall reported something similar on Fox Sports last Monday
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-plans-to-revamp-its-football-department-countering-focus-on-footy-board-spill-group/news-story/6a537e1295035c317076147b256634cf
So we are getting Neil Balme? Really? What's DanTheMan going to do?
it's expected if Balme comes across he'll be head of footy dept Coaching etc whereas Dan will be in charge of list management/contracts etc which is his area of expertise as a former Player manager.
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Have posted this in the Board Spill thread but so it doesnt get missed ;D
Also from Today's HUN (11 sept 2016)
Confirmation that Balme has been spoken to by the current board not the challengers....geez you hope Monday's cirucs hasn't stuffed things for the RFC >:(
Any way from page 80 Ando's Shout column
"Word reached this desk that NEIL BALME, that man everbody wanted bar the police earlier in the week, did soeak with a Richmond group regarding the possibility of him working with Dan Richardson, who is currently rhw General Manager of Football.
The problem for the rebel naord ticket is Balme spoke with the incumbents, who remain hopeful of lurong him from Collingwood"
Further to this Jake Niall reported something similar on Fox Sports last Monday
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-plans-to-revamp-its-football-department-countering-focus-on-footy-board-spill-group/news-story/6a537e1295035c317076147b256634cf
So we are getting Neil Balme? Really? What's DanTheMan going to do?
it's expected if Balme comes across he'll be head of footy dept Coaching etc whereas Dan will be in charge of list management/contracts etc which is his area of expertise as a former Player manager.
Hope so.
I suggested Balme after the first time he was axed by the filth at the end of 2006 but we were happy to instead go with a hack ex Melbourne list manager which once again proved another astute signing by the RFC. :rollin
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it's expected if Balme comes across he'll be head of footy dept Coaching etc whereas Dan will be in charge of list management/contracts etc which is his area of expertise as a former Player manager.
So if Dan goes more list management/contract where does that leave Hartley? Isn't he the head of list management, whatever his official title may be.
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it's expected if Balme comes across he'll be head of footy dept Coaching etc whereas Dan will be in charge of list management/contracts etc which is his area of expertise as a former Player manager.
So if Dan goes more list management/contract where does that leave Hartley? Isn't he the head of list management, whatever his official title may be.
I'm hoping he'll be the orange boy until his contract expires..... :shh
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What of the decisions made on Balme's watch so far?
Has anything changed? Are we heading in an accountable and different direction to the pre-Balme era?
What do people think?
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He's just a pawn, there to get paid.
Clearly, he has no say In any matters.
Either that or he's just a fat shitman which is highly possible.
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Got rid of Vickery
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Kept conca and dimmer
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Is this the sack Balme thread?
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Is this the sack Balme thread?
Was about to post i think there could be an edit to the title coming by the end of the trade period
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Usleless fat gimp
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
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Sorry to say y&b, but if he truly is the messiah he would have delivered something by now
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;D
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Into his fault the idiots Fpdave dimmer another two years.
In sure he would have stuffed him off of he could have.
Sadly, Balmey can't get rid of Breggy.....
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He should be sacked immediately for not obtaining the signature of Nat Fyfe.
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Sorry to say y&b, but if he truly is the messiah he would have delivered something by now
He is just a very naughty boy.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
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Sorry to say y&b, but if he truly is the messiah he would have delivered something by now
Blake Caracella?
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
Spot on. If we believe that one person can come in and fix all our woes in fell swoop we are kidding ourselves. It will take time and it will take more people than Balmey to do it.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
Spot on. If we believe that one person can come in and fix all our woes in fell swoop we are kidding ourselves. It will take time and it will take more people than Balmey to do it.
So, in summary (correct me if im wrong):-
1) let the stunningly obvious poor decisions continue and let Balme assess these decisions well down the track. When the damage is done.
2) Balme delivered Caracella but has nothing to do with Maric, Conca etc. In fact, because hes new hes only resposible for the good decisions.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
Spot on. If we believe that one person can come in and fix all our woes in fell swoop we are kidding ourselves. It will take time and it will take more people than Balmey to do it.
So, in summary (correct me if im wrong):-
1) let the stunningly obvious poor decisions continue and let Balme assess these decisions well down the track. When the damage is done.
2) Balme delivered Caracella but has nothing to do with Maric, Conca etc. In fact, because hes new hes only resposible for the good decisions.
Well no one really said what you propose specifically, nor do I believe implied it. I know it does not sit well with you (or me) but basically Balme doesn't have that kind of pull yet. Oh, and I thought the damage was done already.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
Spot on. If we believe that one person can come in and fix all our woes in fell swoop we are kidding ourselves. It will take time and it will take more people than Balmey to do it.
So, in summary (correct me if im wrong):-
1) let the stunningly obvious poor decisions continue and let Balme assess these decisions well down the track. When the damage is done.
2) Balme delivered Caracella but has nothing to do with Maric, Conca etc. In fact, because hes new hes only resposible for the good decisions.
The only direct decisions Balme has made has been to employ Caracella and Leppitsch. If they are bad we will know in the future. I'm not sure what other poor decisions Balme has made as GM of football. He is not the list manager or a recruiter. How can he say those responsible have made bad decisions when we haven't even seen what the outcome of these decisions are?
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
Spot on. If we believe that one person can come in and fix all our woes in fell swoop we are kidding ourselves. It will take time and it will take more people than Balmey to do it.
So, in summary (correct me if im wrong):-
1) let the stunningly obvious poor decisions continue and let Balme assess these decisions well down the track. When the damage is done.
2) Balme delivered Caracella but has nothing to do with Maric, Conca etc. In fact, because hes new hes only resposible for the good decisions.
The only direct decisions Balme has made has been to employ Caracella and Leppitsch. If they are bad we will know in the future. I'm not sure what other poor decisions Balme has made as GM of football. He is not the list manager or a recruiter. How can he say those responsible have made bad decisions when we haven't even seen what the outcome of these decisions are?
Because we have a brain and can form opinions on appointments now without waiting. Its called thinking
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
Spot on. If we believe that one person can come in and fix all our woes in fell swoop we are kidding ourselves. It will take time and it will take more people than Balmey to do it.
So, in summary (correct me if im wrong):-
1) let the stunningly obvious poor decisions continue and let Balme assess these decisions well down the track. When the damage is done.
2) Balme delivered Caracella but has nothing to do with Maric, Conca etc. In fact, because hes new hes only resposible for the good decisions.
The only direct decisions Balme has made has been to employ Caracella and Leppitsch. If they are bad we will know in the future. I'm not sure what other poor decisions Balme has made as GM of football. He is not the list manager or a recruiter. How can he say those responsible have made bad decisions when we haven't even seen what the outcome of these decisions are?
The decision to keep Maric on our senior list is a massive mistake. As GM of football you don't have to wait until something has proven to be wrong to change it before it happens. A strong person in charge of people can override anything they think is wrong before it becomes a mistake.
As I have said before, I like Maric but his time was up early this season.
The list will barely change from this season which is ridiculous considering how truely bad we were this year.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
Spot on. If we believe that one person can come in and fix all our woes in fell swoop we are kidding ourselves. It will take time and it will take more people than Balmey to do it.
So, in summary (correct me if im wrong):-
1) let the stunningly obvious poor decisions continue and let Balme assess these decisions well down the track. When the damage is done.
2) Balme delivered Caracella but has nothing to do with Maric, Conca etc. In fact, because hes new hes only resposible for the good decisions.
The only direct decisions Balme has made has been to employ Caracella and Leppitsch. If they are bad we will know in the future. I'm not sure what other poor decisions Balme has made as GM of football. He is not the list manager or a recruiter. How can he say those responsible have made bad decisions when we haven't even seen what the outcome of these decisions are?
The decision to keep Maric on our senior list is a massive mistake. As GM of football you don't have to wait until something has proven to be wrong to change it before it happens. A strong person in charge of people can override anything they think is wrong before it becomes a mistake.
As I have said before, I like Maric but his time was up early this season.
The list will barely change from this season which is ridiculous considering how truely bad we were this year.
Have you seen Maric recently? I haven't. He looked cooked earlier this year, I agree. However we don't know if he has solved his back problems. We also do not know the deal he was given. Maybe as on field coach for the VFL side. So without knowing anything, how can we form opinions on what we just THINK we know?
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It's more a frustration with the idiots at the club for being delighted with Hampsons grace and poise
as number one ruck, to the degree they once again neglect the no brainer of looking for another, instead settling on Ivan's injury ravaged body as ample back up in our 2017 finals campaign....which we allegedly will be playing in. :lol
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
Spot on. If we believe that one person can come in and fix all our woes in fell swoop we are kidding ourselves. It will take time and it will take more people than Balmey to do it.
So, in summary (correct me if im wrong):-
1) let the stunningly obvious poor decisions continue and let Balme assess these decisions well down the track. When the damage is done.
2) Balme delivered Caracella but has nothing to do with Maric, Conca etc. In fact, because hes new hes only resposible for the good decisions.
The only direct decisions Balme has made has been to employ Caracella and Leppitsch. If they are bad we will know in the future. I'm not sure what other poor decisions Balme has made as GM of football. He is not the list manager or a recruiter. How can he say those responsible have made bad decisions when we haven't even seen what the outcome of these decisions are?
The decision to keep Maric on our senior list is a massive mistake. As GM of football you don't have to wait until something has proven to be wrong to change it before it happens. A strong person in charge of people can override anything they think is wrong before it becomes a mistake.
As I have said before, I like Maric but his time was up early this season.
The list will barely change from this season which is ridiculous considering how truely bad we were this year.
Have you seen Maric recently? I haven't. He looked cooked earlier this year, I agree. However we don't know if he has solved his back problems. We also do not know the deal he was given. Maybe as on field coach for the VFL side. So without knowing anything, how can we form opinions on what we just THINK we know?
Twist it any way you want to Doc, the club has kept him on our main list. Everyone would be pumped if he had committed to being a VFL listed player willing to help the kids. That would be leadership, not taking a spot on our list a young ruckman could be filing.
The club hopes he can fill a roll of a few games here or there if Hampson gets injuried which is almost garenteed rather than bite the bullet and trust their recruiting of a younger ruckman.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
Im clapping because the post makes sense. A thoughtful balanced post
The blokes been there just on a month. No one no matter who they are are going to make sweeping changes in a month.
But in the eyes of some here based on some need that a single individual is some sort of messiah them he shoud have delivered us everythong bar a premiership.
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Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting.
Do they not answer to him? If not then what does his role entail? FWIW I think your premise is right and everyone needs to take a step back and not expect him to get poo done right away but gee wiz I don't think it's been a great start with Maric and Conca. On your later point about Marics role as an on field VFL coach being a possible reason he got an extension then it begs the question why he wasn't VFL listed or even rookie listed. There should always be an expectation the people on our main list will play or develop not just hang around in the VFL and coach. He's a back up ruckman you say? Well that's just another short fall by the list management team that ultimately answer to him for not finding another ruckman to be that back up.
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It's more a frustration with the idiots at the club for being delighted with Hampsons grace and poise
as number one ruck, to the degree they once again neglect the no brainer of looking for another, instead settling on Ivan's injury ravaged body as ample back up in our 2017 finals campaign....which we allegedly will be playing in. :lol
poodle mullet speaks the truth and anyone who disagrees is in the taliban
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
Im clapping because the post makes sense. A thoughtful balanced post
The blokes been there just on a month. No one no matter who they are are going to make sweeping changes in a month.
But in the eyes of some here based on some need that a single individual is some sort of messiah them he shoud have delivered us everythong bar a premiership.
No i just expect
1) Given he is so well revered that the rot from those who report to him would stop. Which it hasnt evidently.
2) As a superior of those making decisions, he has some form of proactive involvement (e.g.checks and balances at minimum), rather than reactive after the fact.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
Spot on. If we believe that one person can come in and fix all our woes in fell swoop we are kidding ourselves. It will take time and it will take more people than Balmey to do it.
So, in summary (correct me if im wrong):-
1) let the stunningly obvious poor decisions continue and let Balme assess these decisions well down the track. When the damage is done.
2) Balme delivered Caracella but has nothing to do with Maric, Conca etc. In fact, because hes new hes only resposible for the good decisions.
The only direct decisions Balme has made has been to employ Caracella and Leppitsch. If they are bad we will know in the future. I'm not sure what other poor decisions Balme has made as GM of football. He is not the list manager or a recruiter. How can he say those responsible have made bad decisions when we haven't even seen what the outcome of these decisions are?
The decision to keep Maric on our senior list is a massive mistake. As GM of football you don't have to wait until something has proven to be wrong to change it before it happens. A strong person in charge of people can override anything they think is wrong before it becomes a mistake.
As I have said before, I like Maric but his time was up early this season.
The list will barely change from this season which is ridiculous considering how truely bad we were this year.
Have you seen Maric recently? I haven't. He looked cooked earlier this year, I agree. However we don't know if he has solved his back problems. We also do not know the deal he was given. Maybe as on field coach for the VFL side. So without knowing anything, how can we form opinions on what we just THINK we know?
Twist it any way you want to Doc, the club has kept him on our main list. Everyone would be pumped if he had committed to being a VFL listed player willing to help the kids. That would be leadership, not taking a spot on our list a young ruckman could be filing.
The club hopes he can fill a roll of a few games here or there if Hampson gets injuried which is almost garenteed rather than bite the bullet and trust their recruiting of a younger ruckman.
I'm not twisting it. I'm stating that people have defined jobs. The GM of football is not going to override decisions made by the list manger (Blair) or the recruiting team. That isn't his job. His job is to assess the performance of these employees and recommend whether they should stay or go.
Of course he will have opinions on these things like we do but he won't override these people's decisions. He may even involve himself in discussions. Ultimately the people employed to do that job are responsible for the decisions, not Balme.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
Spot on. If we believe that one person can come in and fix all our woes in fell swoop we are kidding ourselves. It will take time and it will take more people than Balmey to do it.
So, in summary (correct me if im wrong):-
1) let the stunningly obvious poor decisions continue and let Balme assess these decisions well down the track. When the damage is done.
2) Balme delivered Caracella but has nothing to do with Maric, Conca etc. In fact, because hes new hes only resposible for the good decisions.
The only direct decisions Balme has made has been to employ Caracella and Leppitsch. If they are bad we will know in the future. I'm not sure what other poor decisions Balme has made as GM of football. He is not the list manager or a recruiter. How can he say those responsible have made bad decisions when we haven't even seen what the outcome of these decisions are?
The decision to keep Maric on our senior list is a massive mistake. As GM of football you don't have to wait until something has proven to be wrong to change it before it happens. A strong person in charge of people can override anything they think is wrong before it becomes a mistake.
As I have said before, I like Maric but his time was up early this season.
The list will barely change from this season which is ridiculous considering how truely bad we were this year.
Have you seen Maric recently? I haven't. He looked cooked earlier this year, I agree. However we don't know if he has solved his back problems. We also do not know the deal he was given. Maybe as on field coach for the VFL side. So without knowing anything, how can we form opinions on what we just THINK we know?
Ridiculous.
This isnt a court of law where proof of beyond reasonable doubt is required.
There is sufficient evidence to date to suggest a high likelihood he is stuffed and its a poor decision. Based on him being finished all 2016 and the clubs penchant for offering contracts to players that dont deserve it.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
Spot on. If we believe that one person can come in and fix all our woes in fell swoop we are kidding ourselves. It will take time and it will take more people than Balmey to do it.
So, in summary (correct me if im wrong):-
1) let the stunningly obvious poor decisions continue and let Balme assess these decisions well down the track. When the damage is done.
2) Balme delivered Caracella but has nothing to do with Maric, Conca etc. In fact, because hes new hes only resposible for the good decisions.
The only direct decisions Balme has made has been to employ Caracella and Leppitsch. If they are bad we will know in the future. I'm not sure what other poor decisions Balme has made as GM of football. He is not the list manager or a recruiter. How can he say those responsible have made bad decisions when we haven't even seen what the outcome of these decisions are?
The decision to keep Maric on our senior list is a massive mistake. As GM of football you don't have to wait until something has proven to be wrong to change it before it happens. A strong person in charge of people can override anything they think is wrong before it becomes a mistake.
As I have said before, I like Maric but his time was up early this season.
The list will barely change from this season which is ridiculous considering how truely bad we were this year.
Have you seen Maric recently? I haven't. He looked cooked earlier this year, I agree. However we don't know if he has solved his back problems. We also do not know the deal he was given. Maybe as on field coach for the VFL side. So without knowing anything, how can we form opinions on what we just THINK we know?
Ridiculous.
This isnt a court of law where proof of beyond reasonable doubt is required.
There is sufficient evidence to date to suggest a high likelihood he is stuffed and its a poor decision. Based on him being finished all 2016 and the clubs penchant for offering contracts to players that dont deserve it.
Ok. Simple question. Describe to me his injury. If you know he can't come back, you should be able to tell me the exact nature of his injury as most injuries can be overcome with time and therapy.
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Who Maric?
We broke him
Like the workhorse in Orwells animal farm
Playin 100% game time alone, vs two rucks, season after season
We didn't help him, we didn't draft another option replacement in 7 years ...
He has been broken down for two years now Ffs
His injury is he is old and was mismanaged.
Frankly I'm staggered people cannot see this. The new contracts of Maric (cause he's been finishedfoe years) and Hampson (causes he's a heartless talentless bastard) and the general mismanagement of th list are frankly crap
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
I think it's fair to say that he needs the time to assess before jumping in BUT he could make a couple of strong decisions early to set the tone around the club.
Keeping all of Dan Richardson Francis Jackson (in any capacity), Blair Hartley (one I'd bite the bullet and pay out) are calls he can make. And he could fire one of them now (Blair I'm looking at you) and announce he will be rolling up his sleeves and get involved in our list strategy. Surely he has some best practise to share with that team.
No coach can fix a crap list, no list can paper over an incompetent strategy and no GM of any quality could miss the fatal errors if our List Manager without acting on it - it's going to come back and haunt him if he's not careful.
That'd be a good start.
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
I think it's fair to say that he needs the time to assess before jumping in BUT he could make a couple of strong decisions early to set the tone around the club.
Keeping all of Dan Richardson Francis Jackson (in any capacity), Blair Hartley (one I'd bite the bullet and pay out) are calls he can make. And he could fire one of them now (Blair I'm looking at you) and announce he will be rolling up his sleeves and get involved in our list strategy. Surely he has some best practise to share with that team.
No coach can fix a crap list, no list can paper over an incompetent strategy and no GM of any quality could miss the fatal errors if our List Manager without acting on it - it's going to come back and haunt him if he's not careful.
That'd be a good start.
IIRC those guys were given new contracts (or were still contracted) before he became GM. He cannot just fire them without having a huge payout on their contracts. Once their contracts lapse he will be able to exert his influence.
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two rucks one cup
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Looking forward to how bad the club is destined to go in 2017.
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Who Maric?
We broke him
Like the workhorse in Orwells animal farm
Playin 100% game time alone, vs two rucks, season after season
We didn't help him, we didn't draft another option replacement in 7 years ...
He has been broken down for two years now Ffs
His injury is he is old and was mismanaged.
Frankly I'm staggered people cannot see this. The new contracts of Maric (cause he's been finishedfoe years) and Hampson (causes he's a heartless talentless bastard) and the general mismanagement of th list are frankly crap
Exactly. Why observation and past history are irrelevant to some is mind boggling.
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two rucks one cup
:lol post of the month
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
I think it's fair to say that he needs the time to assess before jumping in BUT he could make a couple of strong decisions early to set the tone around the club.
Keeping all of Dan Richardson Francis Jackson (in any capacity), Blair Hartley (one I'd bite the bullet and pay out) are calls he can make. And he could fire one of them now (Blair I'm looking at you) and announce he will be rolling up his sleeves and get involved in our list strategy. Surely he has some best practise to share with that team.
No coach can fix a crap list, no list can paper over an incompetent strategy and no GM of any quality could miss the fatal errors if our List Manager without acting on it - it's going to come back and haunt him if he's not careful.
That'd be a good start.
Well said - whilst doc is correct that a GM needs to allow those employed to do their job, there comes a time where you need to exert some influence to stamp your authority and what better time than at the beginning. You dont need to diagnose to realise maric is cooked. Regardless of this years back injury he's been cooked for a couple of yearsand is 2 years older now.
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Blind freddy can see Ivan is shot
Neil eating waffles with hi thump up his bum :thumbsup
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Looking forward to how bad the club is destined to go in 2017.
In a strange way, it may be beneficial to bottom out in a year where the draft is particularly strong. Lets face it, our list is not one of a top 4 teams. Maybe Balme knows this and thinks that more pain is the only way to gain. I am hoping we can trade into next years draft. Several KPP are for grabs there and we sure need them.
Why do half a job when we just need to clean out and reload for 2018.
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I think the fact that he has been there for nearly 4 weeks and we still haven't won a flag speaks for itself.
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Looking forward to how bad the club is destined to go in 2017.
In a strange way, it may be beneficial to bottom out in a year where the draft is particularly strong. Lets face it, our list is not one of a top 4 teams. Maybe Balme knows this and thinks that more pain is the only way to gain. I am hoping we can trade into next years draft. Several KPP are for grabs there and we sure need them.
Why do half a job when we just need to clean out and reload for 2018.
It's pointkess trying anything with the current staff employed.
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I think the fact that he has been there for nearly 4 weeks and we still haven't won a flag speaks for itself.
:lol
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
Im clapping because the post makes sense. A thoughtful balanced post
The blokes been there just on a month. No one no matter who they are are going to make sweeping changes in a month.
But in the eyes of some here based on some need that a single individual is some sort of messiah them he shoud have delivered us everythong bar a premiership.
No i just expect
1) Given he is so well revered that the rot from those who report to him would stop. Which it hasnt evidently.
2) As a superior of those making decisions, he has some form of proactive involvement (e.g.checks and balances at minimum), rather than reactive after the fact.
The rot? Outside of the re -signing of Maric that most seem to disagree with, what rot exactly? The current non re-signing of Conca that has everyone in a state? The appointment of Caracella & Leppa? What other decision have there been since hes been there?
Do you think he's spent the last 3 years at c'wood assessing the RFC list?
As i said hes been there 4 weeks, like it or not there are other things he would have been doing in the last 4 weeks. You know things like appointing assistant coaches and getting na understadnong of what needs urgent fixing and what is going to take time (at least 6-12 momths)
Trade week hasn't start yet, it starts tomorrow and apart from alot of rumour & innuendo by the media nothing has happened
Seems to me people thought or more to the point hoped he was going to walk in the door and sack the majority of the footy department. That was never going to hapen, and again like it or nor could it 6 weeks out from FA, trade and the the draft
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
I think it's fair to say that he needs the time to assess before jumping in BUT he could make a couple of strong decisions early to set the tone around the club.
Keeping all of Dan Richardson Francis Jackson (in any capacity), Blair Hartley (one I'd bite the bullet and pay out) are calls he can make. And he could fire one of them now (Blair I'm looking at you) and announce he will be rolling up his sleeves and get involved in our list strategy. Surely he has some best practise to share with that team.
No coach can fix a crap list, no list can paper over an incompetent strategy and no GM of any quality could miss the fatal errors if our List Manager without acting on it - it's going to come back and haunt him if he's not careful.
That'd be a good start.
IIRC those guys were given new contracts (or were still contracted) before he became GM. He cannot just fire them without having a huge payout on their contracts. Once their contracts lapse he will be able to exert his influence.
Hartley has 12 months to go, what do you reckon the opp cost of keeping him and losing members through his continued flawed and arrogant list strategy?
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Some of you guys have absolutely zero patience. Also, last time I looked, he was the GM of Football. He is not the list manger or head of recruiting. He doesn't decide the trade decisions or the draft picks. He has literally just walked in the door too.
Some of the rubbish posted here is just ridiculous. Give the guy a break. Give him time too shape the club. It won't happen overnight. Anyone that knows anything about running organisations that have employees contracted will know that you can't do much until those responsible for bad decisions have had their contract run its race and then they will be shown the door.
:clapping
If your clapping that post then your clapping all the decisions on Balmes watch.
The point is that the decisions of the recruiters and list mangers are not Balme's decisions. He is not going to override them. What's the purpose of employing them if he is going to have the final say? May as well save literally millions of dollars and ditch the list manager and all our recruiting staff and just have Balme. That's what you are saying because he is responsible for all those decisions. Clearly that is not the case.
His role will be to assess the performance of those guys in the up coming period and make a judgement on whether they can continue once their contract is up.
Bloody obvious if you ask me.
I think it's fair to say that he needs the time to assess before jumping in BUT he could make a couple of strong decisions early to set the tone around the club.
Keeping all of Dan Richardson Francis Jackson (in any capacity), Blair Hartley (one I'd bite the bullet and pay out) are calls he can make. And he could fire one of them now (Blair I'm looking at you) and announce he will be rolling up his sleeves and get involved in our list strategy. Surely he has some best practise to share with that team.
No coach can fix a crap list, no list can paper over an incompetent strategy and no GM of any quality could miss the fatal errors if our List Manager without acting on it - it's going to come back and haunt him if he's not careful.
That'd be a good start.
IIRC those guys were given new contracts (or were still contracted) before he became GM. He cannot just fire them without having a huge payout on their contracts. Once their contracts lapse he will be able to exert his influence.
Hartley has 12 months to go, what do you reckon the opp cost of keeping him and losing members through his continued flawed and arrogant list strategy?
If you think the majority of our members are aware of how poor Blair is you are mistaken. Only keen internet bloggers would be and they would be a distant minority.
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I reckon most people look at the output, not always the inputs. Key output is the W/L and ladder. What we do right now in recruiting and list management should impact wins and losses in a couple of seasons, the right coach at the end of 2017 can have an immediate impact.
If we fumble around without a proper plan for managing player talent, we will be screwed for years to come.
I'd have thought pulling the trigger on Hartley now would be the right call for so many reasons and we must never again contract out that type of position again.
Surely the cost of flicking Hartley now is lower than the cost of keeping him?
Fair?
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I reckon most people look at the output, not always the inputs. Key output is the W/L and ladder. What we do right now in recruiting and list management should impact wins and losses in a couple of seasons, the right coach at the end of 2017 can have an immediate impact.
If we fumble around without a proper plan for managing player talent, we will be screwed for years to come.
I'd have thought pulling the trigger on Hartley now would be the right call for so many reasons and we must never again contract out that type of position again.
Surely the cost of flicking Hartley now is lower than the cost of keeping him?
Fair?
I would agree but I have been following the Richmond saga consistently for decades. Balme was at Geelong for years and then Collingwood. I would not think he has been studying the RFC situation in depth till 4 weeks ago. A little difficult to make huge decisions like paying out contracts with so little personal experience. Give him the year and I would think that major changes with regards to list management will occur. Just my ESHO.
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I reckon most people look at the output, not always the inputs. Key output is the W/L and ladder. What we do right now in recruiting and list management should impact wins and losses in a couple of seasons, the right coach at the end of 2017 can have an immediate impact.
If we fumble around without a proper plan for managing player talent, we will be screwed for years to come.
I'd have thought pulling the trigger on Hartley now would be the right call for so many reasons and we must never again contract out that type of position again.
Surely the cost of flicking Hartley now is lower than the cost of keeping him?
Fair?
I would agree but I have been following the Richmond saga consistently for decades. Balme was at Geelong for years and then Collingwood. I would not think he has been studying the RFC situation in depth till 4 weeks ago. A little difficult to make huge decisions like paying out contracts with so little personal experience. Give him the year and I would think that major changes with regards to list management will occur. Just my ESHO.
Agree
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Another year of dozens of list plodding duds
Might be non salvageable by then
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Another year of dozens of list plodding duds
Might be non salvageable by then
Everything is salvageable. It's just how long you are willing to wait!
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Another year of dozens of list plodding duds
Might be non salvageable by then
Everything is salvageable. It's just how long you are willing to wait!
Another 36 years? Not me.
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Another year of dozens of list plodding duds
Might be non salvageable by then
Everything is salvageable. It's just how long you are willing to wait!
Another 36 years? Not me.
I'm older than you Dooks. It's even more important that we get this right quickly. Somehow I can't see it happening soon. We need to wait for Blair and Hardwick to leave and to revamp our recruiting department. We then will need to trade several of our good players for good draft picks and have another go. It's the only way I can see us ever giving the premiership a proper shake. The rest are just band aid solutions unfortunately.
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Another year of dozens of list plodding duds
Might be non salvageable by then
Everything is salvageable. It's just how long you are willing to wait!
Another 36 years? Not me.
I'm older than you Dooks. It's even more important that we get this right quickly. Somehow I can't see it happening soon. We need to wait for Blair and Hardwick to leave and to revamp our recruiting department. We then will need to trade several of our good players for good draft picks and have another go. It's the only way I can see us ever giving the premiership a proper shake. The rest are just band aid solutions unfortunately.
Well, 2 years in the scheme of a lifetime (esp in the second half of ones life) is a long time.
Too bad they will be drawing an income and well just be wasting good years away.
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Another year of dozens of list plodding duds
Might be non salvageable by then
Everything is salvageable. It's just how long you are willing to wait!
Another 36 years? Not me.
I'm older than you Dooks. It's even more important that we get this right quickly. Somehow I can't see it happening soon. We need to wait for Blair and Hardwick to leave and to revamp our recruiting department. We then will need to trade several of our good players for good draft picks and have another go. It's the only way I can see us ever giving the premiership a proper shake. The rest are just band aid solutions unfortunately.
Well, 2 years in the scheme of a lifetime (esp in the second half of ones life) is a long time.
Too bad they will be drawing an income and well just be wasting good years away.
Can't argue with that. I just can't see another way to get there quickly and with a good foundation to be up there for a while.... :banghead
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Looking forward to how bad the club is destined to go in 2017.
Yet if you're a member you're still classified as a supporter. Good to know :clapping
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I reckon most people look at the output, not always the inputs. Key output is the W/L and ladder. What we do right now in recruiting and list management should impact wins and losses in a couple of seasons, the right coach at the end of 2017 can have an immediate impact.
If we fumble around without a proper plan for managing player talent, we will be screwed for years to come.
I'd have thought pulling the trigger on Hartley now would be the right call for so many reasons and we must never again contract out that type of position again.
Surely the cost of flicking Hartley now is lower than the cost of keeping him?
Fair?
I would agree but I have been following the Richmond saga consistently for decades. Balme was at Geelong for years and then Collingwood. I would not think he has been studying the RFC situation in depth till 4 weeks ago. A little difficult to make huge decisions like paying out contracts with so little personal experience. Give him the year and I would think that major changes with regards to list management will occur. Just my ESHO.
I would say it's obvious. I'd add if Benny had any kind of backbone, he'd do it and punt Dan Richardson while he's at it.
They say you accept the standards you walk past, nothing truer at the moment at Richmond. We shouldn't enable it.
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What if Balme was getting Stephen Wells ready for a move to Punt road in the foreseeable future?
Does anyone know when his contract is up at Kardinia Park?
I'd say if Balme could get this done then I'd be seriously impressed with his influence. :rollin
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Bang. That's absolutely right.
All the stuff here want to talk about is Hartley and not the actual recruiters who have done such a great job
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Yeah because it's never been mentioned before
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Not since the lovely Clarke has been promoted
All is well now in that area :gotigers
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Not since the lovely Clarke has been promoted
All is well now in that area :gotigers
I'm going to give him one draft to get right before the whacks start flying! ;D
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Not since the lovely Clarke has been promoted
All is well now in that area :gotigers
I'm going to give him one draft to get right before the whacks start flying! ;D
His been there 6 already so if he did something right we would have some class already?
Just like when Hackson took over Miller. Blind ferry could see what was wrong but not out club, who seem more concerned about shuffling a few deck chairs to appease the fans
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Another year of dozens of list plodding duds
Might be non salvageable by then
Everything is salvageable. It's just how long you are willing to wait!
Ancient Library of Alexandria ?
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Not since the lovely Clarke has been promoted
All is well now in that area :gotigers
I'm going to give him one draft to get right before the whacks start flying! ;D
The problem about giving him one draft is it's takes about 4 years to be able to access it properly. Which means there is 4 drafts of potentially having the wrong guy in place.
It's the best job in the world! Do something today and no one can blame you for a mistake for a long time.
Even when you come to the conclusion like we have with FJ, you have to give him a little more time as he has been accessing the players of this upcoming draft.
Even worse is if we happen to trade some earlish picks, those potential mistakes are gone and you only have to draft with later picks which no one really expect you to get right, especially at Tigerland.
Where do I sign?
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He should be stopping the obviously poor decisions like maric and conca. Otherwise I could do his job.
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He should be stopping the obviously poor decisions like maric and conca. Otherwise I could do his job.
Conca? I think you're a bit premature on that one....
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Ellis.....
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Judge the man after he has worked at the club for 2 years. You can't judge anyone who has just walked into a new job & expect Jeannie is in his coat pocket.
Get real. Some of you people have no idea & expect changes over night.
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Fat neil in 24 months
Fatty: "Hampson hunt Morris Houli grigg are not very good, yarren feels sad "
Richmond: "thanks for your time, here is your 1.5 million dollars
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So far im impressed. We have put the Motlop rumors to bed but stating he is not wanted. Yarran mk II avoided
Balme salary already paid itself off :shh
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Judge the man after he has worked at the club for 2 years. You can't judge anyone who has just walked into a new job & expect Jeannie is in his coat pocket.
Get real. Some of you people have no idea & expect changes over night.
Luke Beveridge :shh
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He should be stopping the obviously poor decisions like maric and conca. Otherwise I could do his job.
Conca? I think you're a bit premature on that one....
Why? He was offered a contract under Balmes watchful eye
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He should be stopping the obviously poor decisions like maric and conca. Otherwise I could do his job.
Conca? I think you're a bit premature on that one....
Why? He was offered a contract under Balmes watchful eye
Firstly, we don't know what the contract is worth. It may be for minimal money to make him want to be traded. As far as I'm aware he hasn't signed it. Are you aware of anything different? Secondly all clubs may have said no to trade and the club doesn't want to lose him for nothing because he has been injured and may have some reasonable footy left in him. Maybe two years on minimal is worth the risk then.
So there is a lot we don't know and I still think it's premature to be making comments like the above. Have I explained it simply enough?
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Firstly, we don't know what the contract is worth. It may be for minimal money to make him want to be traded.
Mate, I am not reading the rest of that post after this point. Don't give me the "lets give them a poo deal so they don't sign it" crud that was said in the Lade scenario. Absolute cop out. You either want someone because they are good enough or you don't offer them squat.
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Firstly, we don't know what the contract is worth. It may be for minimal money to make him want to be traded.
Mate, I am not reading the rest of that post after this point. Don't give me the "lets give them a poo deal so they don't sign it" crud that was said in the Lade scenario. Absolute cop out. You either want someone because they are good enough or you don't offer them squat.
What? You have no idea of how it works. You offer someone what they are worth to you. They either take it or ask to leave if they have a better offer. If they have a better offer they leave. If they don't they stay. Their only other option is to delist themselves and hope they get picked up. However, that's a huge risk for them.
Sure we can delist him but the club feels he is still worth something. So we make him that offer. Everything is graded from dud delist to elite. We obviously value him above dud delist, and hence a low offer.
Is that easy enough to comprehend?
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I'd take a pick in the 60's for Fatty Conca....Mick Ablett said this draft bats fairly deep for mids "40's and even beyond" was his quote....and even if it doesn't, a pick in the 60's could still be used for the likes of Kirby, Ratugolea or blokes like Darcy Cameron, Tom Goodwin or even a Shane Nelson who'd all more than likely offer more than Garfield going forward IMO....
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Firstly, we don't know what the contract is worth. It may be for minimal money to make him want to be traded.
Mate, I am not reading the rest of that post after this point. Don't give me the "lets give them a poo deal so they don't sign it" crud that was said in the Lade scenario. Absolute cop out. You either want someone because they are good enough or you don't offer them squat.
What? You have no idea of how it works. You offer someone what they are worth to you. They either take it or ask to leave if they have a better offer. If they have a better offer they leave. If they don't they stay. Their only other option is to delist themselves and hope they get picked up. However, that's a huge risk for them.
Sure we can delist him but the club feels he is still worth something. So we make him that offer. Everything is graded from dud delist to elite. We obviously value him above dud delist, and hence a low offer.
Is that easy enough to comprehend?
You're original point said "It may be for minimal money to make him want to be traded" not that "we rate him above dud delist". We can trade him during this trade period whether he's contracted next year or not so it is a completely separate issue whether we rate him enough to give him a contract. Not rating him enough to warrant a contract was exactly Harry's point but your first response was to provide a complete cop out. Is that easy enough to comprehend?
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Firstly, we don't know what the contract is worth. It may be for minimal money to make him want to be traded.
Mate, I am not reading the rest of that post after this point. Don't give me the "lets give them a poo deal so they don't sign it" crud that was said in the Lade scenario. Absolute cop out. You either want someone because they are good enough or you don't offer them squat.
What? You have no idea of how it works. You offer someone what they are worth to you. They either take it or ask to leave if they have a better offer. If they have a better offer they leave. If they don't they stay. Their only other option is to delist themselves and hope they get picked up. However, that's a huge risk for them.
Sure we can delist him but the club feels he is still worth something. So we make him that offer. Everything is graded from dud delist to elite. We obviously value him above dud delist, and hence a low offer.
Is that easy enough to comprehend?
You're original point said "It may be for minimal money to make him want to be traded" not that "we rate him above dud delist". We can trade him during this trade period whether he's contracted next year or not so it is a completely separate issue whether we rate him enough to give him a contract. Not rating him enough to warrant a contract was exactly Harry's point but your first response was to provide a complete cop out. Is that easy enough to comprehend?
You are inconrrect yet again. We cannot trade him if he is contracted unless he agrees to the trade. If he is uncontracted, he has much less leverage. We can choose to not renew his contract or tell him we will recontract him at a very low salary to force him to either accept a trade or at the very least we keep him for next to nothing and as a back up mid.
The problem we have had is that Sydney did not want him as an exchange for Nankervis. If he was contracted at a healthy wage, he would have said no to moving anyway and we wouldn't have even offered him.
We also rate him enough to offer him a contract at a much reduced wage. That's the point I was making. Understood?
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Look.
Can someone just be correct, please.
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Firstly, we don't know what the contract is worth. It may be for minimal money to make him want to be traded.
Mate, I am not reading the rest of that post after this point. Don't give me the "lets give them a poo deal so they don't sign it" crud that was said in the Lade scenario. Absolute cop out. You either want someone because they are good enough or you don't offer them squat.
What? You have no idea of how it works. You offer someone what they are worth to you. They either take it or ask to leave if they have a better offer. If they have a better offer they leave. If they don't they stay. Their only other option is to delist themselves and hope they get picked up. However, that's a huge risk for them.
Sure we can delist him but the club feels he is still worth something. So we make him that offer. Everything is graded from dud delist to elite. We obviously value him above dud delist, and hence a low offer.
Is that easy enough to comprehend?
You're original point said "It may be for minimal money to make him want to be traded" not that "we rate him above dud delist". We can trade him during this trade period whether he's contracted next year or not so it is a completely separate issue whether we rate him enough to give him a contract. Not rating him enough to warrant a contract was exactly Harry's point but your first response was to provide a complete cop out. Is that easy enough to comprehend?
You are inconrrect yet again. We cannot trade him if he is contracted unless he agrees to the trade. If he is uncontracted, he has much less leverage. We can choose to not renew his contract or tell him we will recontract him at a very low salary to force him to either accept a trade or at the very least we keep him for next to nothing and as a back up mid.
The problem we have had is that Sydney did not want him as an exchange for Nankervis. If he was contracted at a healthy wage, he would have said no to moving anyway and we wouldn't have even offered him.
We also rate him enough to offer him a contract at a much reduced wage. That's the point I was making. Understood?
Incorrect? Yet again :lol :lol? So you think we can't trade him if he's contracted? So why the stuff are we offering him a contract again? Well no stuffing poo we cannot trade him unless he agrees - thanks again Dr Obvious. I didn't think I'd have to clarify that because it's the exact same whether he's uncontracted or contracted for the next 20 years. What do you think the big difference is between 'here's a new contract so you better agree to a trade' or 'we think you're no good, agree to a trade or we're delisting you'. I think he'd be smart enough to take the trade because he can have some degree of a say in what happens. Except with the former we say here's a contract but you better want a trade, he signs it but doesn't agree to a trade or one doesn't get done and we're stuck with him. Only Richmond supporters seem to think offering players/coaches is a good idea to make them want to be traded :lol :lol :lol
Stop with the backflips. Harry's original point was criticising them for offering Conca a contract to which you responded "It may be for minimal money to make him want to be traded." That was your first retort and it's a cop out. Now you want to talk about us rating him which is a completely separate issue because your point about offering him a contract so he'd agree to a trade then becomes moot. Can you comprehend that? I don't think I can make it any clearer
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Look, you really don't understand the most basic concepts it seems. Just for the record, because you don't understand the difference between Grigg's and Conca's situation, I'll explain it for you. With Grigg, we were told that he had signed a 2 year extension. That's it. He accepted the conditions of pay whatever they were. With Conca, we've been told he has been offered a 2 year contract, not accepted. What possible reason would there be for him not to sign? Don't you think it may be about the amount of pay considering he had not expressed a wish to be traded before hand? So the club offers him a reduced contract hoping that he either responds by wishing to be traded or accepts a low rate of pay making more room in our TPP. Pretty bloody obvious I would have thought. If he was contracted, neither of those two options would be encouraged or possible.
I can't make it easier for you to understand.
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Look, you really don't understand the most basic concepts it seems. Just for the record, because you don't understand the difference between Grigg's and Conca's situation, I'll explain it for you. With Grigg, we were told that he had signed a 2 year extension. That's it. He accepted the conditions of pay whatever they were. With Conca, we've been told he has been offered a 2 year contract, not accepted. What possible reason would there be for him not to sign? Don't you think it may be about the amount of pay considering he had not expressed a wish to be traded before hand? So the club offers him a reduced contract hoping that he either responds by wishing to be traded or accepts a low rate of pay making more room in our TPP. Pretty bloody obvious I would have thought. If he was contracted, neither of those two options would be encouraged or possible.
I can't make it easier for you to understand.
Look, if you want to say we offered him a pooty contract so he would agree to a trade then try and defend that (poorly I might add) then power to you but don't go changing your argument.
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I'd take a pick in the 60's for Fatty Conca....Mick Ablett said this draft bats fairly deep for mids "40's and even beyond" was his quote....and even if it doesn't, a pick in the 60's could still be used for the likes of Kirby, Ratugolea or blokes like Darcy Cameron, Tom Goodwin or even a Shane Nelson who'd all more than likely offer more than Garfield going forward IMO....
Nelson constantly gets passed on every draft.....move on :thumbsup
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Neil Balme: "I haven't been at Richmond too long. We haven't lost a game yet and we've already won a Brownlow!"
https://twitter.com/3AWSportsToday/status/800607895834357761
;D
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some seriously salty bummer fans out there. The sense of drug assistant entitlement is strong.
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Yarran progressing as stars hit the track in scorching heat
AFL.com.au
21 November 2016
CHRIS Yarran has continued his progression back into Richmond's main training group as a number of stars returned to the track on Monday.
After a difficult first season at Tigerland that saw him dealing with personal and family issues, Yarran is working his way back to full fitness with a tailored program.
As temperatures pushed above 30 degrees on Monday morning, Yarran joined his teammates – including club champion Dustin Martin – for the first hour of a lengthy session at Punt Road Oval.
He completed the warm-up, tackling drills and kicking exercises before stepping out when the main group moved into ball movement.
The 25-year-old joined recruit Dion Prestia, who is also being eased into pre-season training, for a series of full-pace run-throughs and agility exercises.
Yarran finished by running laps of Punt Road Oval, escorted by a trainer and pushing himself to the limit, before signing autographs after a session that lasted almost two hours.
Tigers general manager of football Neil Balme was enthused by Yarran's efforts but conceded his quest to return to the game would be a long process.
"He did a reasonable amount (of training). It's a challenge for him, he's got a fair way to go, but we'll give him every opportunity to do it," Balme told 3AW on Monday night.
"It's just good to see him turning up and having a crack at it. There's more to it than just playing footy.
"Physically he's got a reasonable amount of work to do but you can only do it bit by bit."
Asked what it would take for Yarran to be selected in the pre-season competition, Balme said the former Blue needed to "put the body of work together" and show he had "the appetite for it".
"There will be objective measures of where he's going – what's his fitness like, what are his skin-folds like ... but probably the most important thing about it will be what does he really want to do?" Balme said.
"Is he able to cope with this? Does he want to do that? Where's the best place for him – is it here (or) is it somewhere else? Obviously we'll have those open discussions.
"If he can do the work and he can get himself fit and give himself a chance, obviously we're keen for him to play."
Prestia, who is recovering from a minor knee complaint, also spent a large portion of training running laps and was joined by young midfielder Corey Ellis.
Midfield recruit Josh Caddy also joined teammates for his first official session.
The majority of Richmond's list has now returned to training, with senior players who have played eight or more seasons to filter back in the next week.
Martin, who won his first best and fairest and All Australian selection in 2016, returned in good condition and settled mid-field in the running drills.
Kane Lambert, Nick Vlastuin and Kamdyn McIntosh were the standout runners when the players were pushed.
The two-and-a-half hour session was run by Richmond's mostly new panel of assistants, with coach Damien Hardwick in the United States for a study tour.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-21/yarran-progressing-as-stars-hit-the-track-in-scorching-heat
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So I thought Vlastuin couldn't run out of sight on a dark night?? Hence not playing in the midfield.
Complete bull5h17!!
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where did you get that notion?
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where did you get that notion?
That was the reason I heard why he hasn't been given much opportunity in our midfield. Instead we drafted Townsend and Moore to play in that "inside mid" roll. Working well to date...
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but where did you hear it?
I cant recall ever hearing any reason from a reliable source for Vlastuin not playing midfield, let alone lack of pace
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Only place I heard it was on here :lol
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Wonder what happened between this interview and Yarran going?
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but where did you hear it?
I cant recall ever hearing any reason from a reliable source for Vlastuin not playing midfield, let alone lack of pace
I'm not 100% but I have definitely heard it. I think it came up after Vlastuin played a couple of good games in the midfield this year only then to never be seen again in there.
I think Jackstar was banging on about it from memory, and it must be true as I'm pretty sure he wrote "fact" after it. :thumbsup
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:lol
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Richmond Tigers' boss Neil Balme makes blunder trying to dodge media
Video has emerged of an Australian Football League (AFL) team's general manager making a bit of a blunder while trying to avoid media.
Richmond Tigers boss Neil Balme was seen trying to dodge waiting media as he was leaving Punt Rd Oval in Melbourne on Thursday.
On his way out, Balme wasn't answering questions from media and headed towards his car, or at least that's what he thought.
In the video, he walks up to a black Jeep Cherokee, unlocks it, and gets in before realising that car wasn't his.
"Is this my car?" he says.
"How did I get in that car?"
Balme can be seen walking away from the car laughing and confused but carried on down the car park to find his actual car, which happened to be another black Jeep Cherokee.
WATCH VIDEO: http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2017/06/richmond-tigers-boss-neil-balme-makes-blunder-trying-to-dodge-media.html
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FGUYi_s7tbs/UDkHFwujVMI/AAAAAAAAALs/oiPk9SUnEN4/s1600/key_art_dude_wheres_my_car.jpg)
(https://s.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/7OLBPJcPHoWcv1.7cEYLBg--~B/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvOzI5Mjt4PTI5Mjtyb3RhdGU9YXV0bw--/https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/170630/5955a9a4d1278_balme630gb_5955a95a77bf1.jpg)
(https://cdn-triplem.scadigital.io/media/22383/neil-balme-car-800.jpg?preset=MainImage)
:lol
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The rebels who wanted to take over Richmond did deliver one positive change - the return of Neil Balme
Michelangelo Rucci,
Chief Football Writer,
The Advertiser
8 August 2017
IT is now down to four - Adelaide, Richmond, GWS and the ominous Sydney.
Unless Brownlow Medallist Patrick Dangerfield can indeed carry Geelong on his shoulders, the Cats are gone - more so once part of the “Dangerwood” combination, captain Joel Selwood, goes under the surgeon’s knife.
Forget Port Adelaide. Lightning will not strike twice with the AFL premiership titleholders at the Western Bulldogs. And whoever among Melbourne, St Kilda, Essendon and West Coast stays on the tightrope to the final eight, there will be no long run in September.
And for all that is repeatedly said of this season’s AFL competition being close - and erratic - the marathon run to September is catching up with the pretenders, in particular the Power that remarkably holds fifth spot.
The script is now true to all the AFL wanted while trying to avoid the traps of other professional sporting competitions that deliver the same winners season after season.
The final eight will have at least two and possibly three changes to last year. From last season, Hawthorn and North Melbourne are already eliminated. West Coast is not far behind.
But the greatest delight for the master planners at AFL House is the prospect of the Crows and Richmond proving that long-standing droughts do eventually fall, as do dynasties.
As the Bulldogs ended their 62-year wait for an AFL flag on October 1, there was one graphic published to remind all that the longest absences from the grand final were with Richmond (1982, 35 years) and Adelaide (1998, 19 years).
Now a Crows-Tigers grand final is one of the most-probable play-offs for the flag on September 30. And probably the most interesting.
It also will enhance the reputation of Neil Balme, a classic journeyman who has made a mark in three States - at home in WA, in SA as a premiership coach at Norwood and in the VFL-AFL as a player, coach but most significantly as a football department leader.
Balme was part of the Collingwood revival (with two grand finals) while striking a partnership coach Michael Malthouse. He had immediate success at Geelong with his move to the Cats in 2007 - after a vigorous review of the football department identified the need for his pragmatic leadership - ending a 44-year premiership drought.
And history may repeat in his first year back at his “home” VFL-AFL club of Richmond that has not won a flag since 1980. Each time Collingwood has pushed Balme “sideways” it has ended in tears for the Magpies - and champagne at the AFL club that has hired Balme.
Balme’s reputation as a premiership winner as a player (twice at Richmond, 1973 and 1974); as a coach (twice at Norwood, 1982 and 1984) and as an football department administrator (three times at Geelong, 2007, 2009 and 2011) would be crowned by ending the drought at Punt Road.
And it will prove that hapless rebel group that tried to take over the Richmond board with the “Focus on Footy” campaign did have one (maybe only one) grand idea - Get Balmey. Perhaps that is all Richmond ever needed.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/the-rebels-who-wanted-to-take-over-richmond-did-deliver-one-positive-change-the-return-of-neil-balme/news-story/78ff80e2ed3beba11cf955e2ccdcfb5a
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I thought they were already all over him.
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Dont believe this idiot, he's trying to cause trouble in the ranks.
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Who Owl?
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The current board Chucky. They were already all over him when the "Focus on Footy" group said they would get him.
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We only got Balme because he cracked it after Collingwood effectively demoted him and installed Gubby Allen in his old position ......was pure luck......if we should be thanking anyone, it should be Pert & Fathead......:clapping
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Grubby is a scumwood favorite and they owed him for pillaging and drip feeding GWS talent back to them. We lucked in getting Balme back to Tigerland because he says stuff and does stuff that's really good.
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We only got Balme because he cracked it after Collingwood effectively demoted him and installed Gubby Allen in his old position ......was pure luck......if we should be thanking anyone, it should be Pert & Fathead......:clapping
Correct and dont i let the pie supporters i know all about it.
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Love this bloke every time i hear him speak. Didn't hear his name mentioned when Benny and Peggy names are thrown around but I think he is equal to those 2 IMV.
Slobbo FO with your opinion peace for the AFL to target Balme today. I'm not shocked to see a headline like that from a snot rag like yourself.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_MRE170_a&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fsport%2Fafl%2Fteams%2Fgold-coast%2Fthe-afl-should-headhunt-richmond-stuff-robinson%2Fnews-story%2F27157d07969d89ddf5cb9744f543aa7d&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium
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Yeah seriously FO slobbo, Balme is a tiger and this is fate, he came home.
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Nice bump. 12 years ago I started this thread lol.
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There is a reason I've had him as my avatar since he walked back into Punt road..... :shh
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Nice bump. 12 years ago I started this thread lol.
Very astute post indeed!
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Nice bump. 12 years ago I started this thread lol.
haha i did a search and found the one most appropriate.
didnt know it started 12 years ago
very relevant still.
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Cant believe Ive been here so long. Its like Im doing a life sentence in the big haus
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As per Sam Edmund’s tweet, leaving for the Crows.
https://twitter.com/sammy__edmund/status/1431418397519085573?s=21
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As per Sam Edmund’s tweet, leaving for the Crows.
https://twitter.com/sammy__edmund/status/1431418397519085573?s=21
Noooooooooooooooooo
That’s it, we are now stuffed, he is the engine of the club, huge loss
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Massive loss, but his role has become less and less over the last few years (not necessarily the right thing either), but a huge get by the Crows. Thanks Balmey for everything; you will be missed
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Hartley and Livingstone will be ok. I wish Balmey the best hes given us a great last 5 years.
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He's 70.. Not sure his health can handle a fulltime role in high pressure environment.. Odd move
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Hartley and Livingstone will be ok. I wish Balmey the best hes given us a great last 5 years.
This- he is comfortable in the knowledge that these guys are well trained to take over :clapping
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Hartley and Livingstone will be ok. I wish Balmey the best hes given us a great last 5 years.
Agree. Thanks Balme :clapping
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Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Man this sucks. At least teaching the crows our club song won’t take too much work
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His from SA , I think he wanted to retire there.
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Disappointing and sad , a man who gave us common sense and intelligent planning. I am not convinced those who replaced Him have the same abilities, I hope I am wrong.
Thanks Balmey for being part of one the best periods in Richmond’s history
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His from SA , I think he wanted to retire there.
From WA originally... :shh
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Balmey coached Norwood back in a day so he's familiar with SA.
It was rumoured a few months ago Adelaide were chasing him. Sad to see Balmey go just because of what he has done again for the Club and his calming influence.
Interesting to see now what we do with the soft cap money and who we bring in.
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Not confirmed it seems.
Adelaide sound out Neil Balme for football department role
Peter Ryan
The Age
August 28, 2021 — 1.59pm
Adelaide have had informal discussions with highly respected football manager Neil Balme about taking on a role supporting the club’s football department as the Crows continue to implement a full-scale rebuild of their list.
The talks with Balme have been part of the club’s desire to bolster the number of experienced voices around the football department which is led by the relatively inexperienced football manager Adam Kelly and coach Matthew Nicks.
However Balme, who is contracted at Richmond where he is a revered figure, has not been made the Crows head of football with premature reports that the 69-year-old had been appointed to the position. If he was to play a role at the Crows it would be in a more advisory role supporting Kelly who would remain in his position.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-sound-out-neil-balme-for-football-department-role-20210828-p58mpn.html
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Hearing him on talking tigers didn't seem like he was leaving maybe all talk media useless.
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He is going to the Crows :shh
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Key Tigers figure Neil Balme set to become Crows football boss
Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
August 28th, 2021 1:43 pm
Richmond senior club advisor Neil Balme is set to join the Adelaide Crows as their new football boss for 2022.
Foxfooty.com.au has confirmed the Crows have successfully convinced Balme to head back to South Australia.
It’s unclear what the appointment means for current footy boss Adam Kelly.
Balme will depart the Tigers after five years at the club, playing a key part in their recent success including three premierships in 2017, 2019 and 2020.
A year on from the Crows’ failed poaching of Balme, he will now officially make the move to the South Australian club.
Balme told SEN radio last October that he seriously considered returning to South Australia but an “unusual medical condition” prompted him to stay at Punt Road.
The key footy figure coached Norwood to two premierships over 11 seasons in the 1990s.
He has also worked at Geelong and Collingwood in instrumental roles to their recent successes.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/adelaide-crows/afl-news-2021-neil-balme-to-adelaide-crows-departs-richmond-details-official-announcement/news-story/0b7cb5fd7c9eb6cb1845c1d17b6da123
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I suspect our soft cap is a problem, with some may have been given pay rises as rewards for success ,it is important to use any available money wisely in areas of greatest need.
It alway felt like we would prevail while Balmey was giving advice to coaching / recruiting group
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I suspect our soft cap is a problem, with some may have been given pay rises as rewards for success ,it is important to use any available money wisely in areas of greatest need.
It alway felt like we would prevail while Balmey was giving advice to coaching / recruiting group
My understanding is With his move the senior advisor role Balmey wasn't part of the footy department, so his wage was not part of the soft cap this season
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Makes you wonder why he wasn’t part of the football Dept
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Makes you wonder why he wasn’t part of the football Dept
Because he has handed over to Blair and Livingston. Blame is a footy person and has done his job with the club... for that we should be thankful.
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Sure, I’m suggesting he should have kept some involvement with the football department and he might have stayed at the club
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yet another stuff up in this department by our club.
seems like they downgraded his role, and at the same time decided to pay everyone else more. Furthermore, its clear they think the assistants we currently have were good enough to go around again without replacing the ones who left. :shh
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I suspect our soft cap is a problem, with some may have been given pay rises as rewards for success ,it is important to use any available money wisely in areas of greatest need.
It alway felt like we would prevail while Balmey was giving advice to coaching / recruiting group
My understanding is With his move the senior advisor role Balmey wasn't part of the footy department, so his wage was not part of the soft cap this season
That is spot on
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yet another stuff up in this department by our club.
seems like they downgraded his role, and at the same time decided to pay everyone else more. Furthermore, its clear they think the assistants we currently have were good enough to go around again without replacing the ones who left. :shh
It was actually a smart move taking him out of the footy department. If was part of it then we would have had to cut deeper....
His role wasn't down graded. He moved into a boarder role within the club. He was happy to do that as he believed that Hartley and Livingstone who had mentored and trained could combined and take over his role. He has been available to the footy department all the time. But more importantly he believed the change was in the best interest of the Club. He as always put the Club first.
And before you ask the source.
It was the man himself, who I believe without hesitation. One on one chat at a function early in the year at a AFLW function. I know you won't believe it but it's what he said.
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i dont doubt he told you that, but i doubt the reasons things have happened, or why they have happened in the football department.
the biggest issue post 2016 was hardwick cant do it alone and needed support, so what did they do. Not replace any of those who left and balmes role was downgraded. :banghead
we won 3 flags and we made money. Somones wages doesnt add up if we maxed our cap out and i refuse to believe it was soley because of the 100k fine. Either other clubs are paying their assistants peanuts, or we are paying ours too much.
Bottom line is the club wont be heading into 2022 with the same assistants. If they do you can expect the same result for next year IMO.
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Do we actually know if it’s officially a done deal to the Crows . Just going through social media there’s stories saying yes he’s gone and others a lot muddier… and still nothing out of RFC
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Gone
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Very sad news. His return to the club was a major reason behind our recent success. Big loss.
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The Sunday sun reports he not gone yet, who knows . We are better when Balmey is part of the Football Dept decision making process, whilst there had to be a transition he will also tell you his love is being in the coaching and recruiting side of the football club ,( ask him) so why wouldn’t you keep him involved
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P. O'Neal
B. Gale
B. Hartley
T. Livingstone
D. Hardwick
That looks solid to me. I think our opportunities are below Hardwick rather than above him. Although I acknowledge he needs oversight from time to time, he has acknowledged this himself in the past, and he commented on the necessary intervention Livingstone made early in 2020 to hold him to account and refocus him.
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Simple fact is if the football department around Balme hasn't learned or taken his experiences they will never do no matter who so we should be in good hands.
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i dont doubt he told you that, but i doubt the reasons things have happened, or why they have happened in the football department.
the biggest issue post 2016 was hardwick cant do it alone and needed support, so what did they do. Not replace any of those who left and balmes role was downgraded. :banghead
we won 3 flags and we made money. Somones wages doesnt add up if we maxed our cap out and i refuse to believe it was soley because of the 100k fine. Either other clubs are paying their assistants peanuts, or we are paying ours too much.
Bottom line is the club wont be heading into 2022 with the same assistants. If they do you can expect the same result for next year IMO.
:clapping
x2
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For all we know he is going there to sabotage the place even more haha
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Mmmmmm- just hold the phone for a minute with this one :shh
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/neil-balme-to-adelaide.1283492/post-71906603
:shh
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Mmmmmm- just hold the phone for a minute with this one :shh
Beat me to it
Been off line all day
But the only newspaper that accurately reported the situation is The Age = Peter Ryan's article
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Mmmmmm- just hold the phone for a minute with this one :shh
Beat me to it
Been off line all day
But the only newspaper that accurately reported the situation is The Age = Peter Ryan's article
link please wp? you know the rules
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Mmmmmm- just hold the phone for a minute with this one :shh
Beat me to it
Been off line all day
But the only newspaper that accurately reported the situation is The Age = Peter Ryan's article
link please wp? you know the rules
The one already posted and linked in this thread.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=31391.msg707492#msg707492
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/neil-balme-to-adelaide.1283492/post-71906603
:shh
@Sammy__Edmund Fake news bud? You think you would actually ask Neil before going nuts and announcing it
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https://twitter.com/Tiger7192926603/status/1432241044079333382
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haha pretty funny if true. I went early, but i'm not paid like edmund is.
who does he support?
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🐅 well, very happy about that🎊
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haha pretty funny if true. I went early, but i'm not paid like edmund is.
who does he support?
Carlton
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I don’t have access to the Advertiser, but this went up about 5 minutes ago.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/news/adelaide-crows-bid-to-lure-neil-balme-to-south-australia-hits-a-stumbling-block/news-story/7dbf17f45ffc7c96cb44054fff27191e?amp&nk=9e01de56f7980a65c87d79078e3e82ee-1630311632
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I don’t have access to the Advertiser, but this went up about 5 minutes ago.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/news/adelaide-crows-bid-to-lure-neil-balme-to-south-australia-hits-a-stumbling-block/news-story/7dbf17f45ffc7c96cb44054fff27191e?amp&nk=9e01de56f7980a65c87d79078e3e82ee-1630311632
Here's the full article. Still denying the report was wrong.
Adelaide has hit a stumbling block in its bid to lure football guru Neil Balme to West Lakes.
Balme is contracted to Richmond for one more year and is understood to be still weighing up the approach to join the Crows football department.
The Crows and Balme have had informal talks about him relocating to Adelaide.
Reports over the weekend had suggested that it was confirmed, and Balme would be the club’s head of football – a role currently held by Adam Kelly.
But Balme is still under contract at Richmond and is yet to make a call as to whether he will leave Melbourne.
Kelly is also remaining in the head of football role, with senior coach Matthew Nicks praising him in his speech at Adelaide’s Club Champion night on Saturday.
“To Adam Kelly, not many have earnt the respect of the group that you have in such a short time,” he said.
“You have been a rock for me and I look forward to working with you long into the future.”
The Crows pursued Balme last off-season to bolster the experience around Nicks and Kelly, who were both in their first seasons in their respective roles.
Balme was open to returning to Adelaide having coached Norwood to two premierships in the 1980s.
But a health condition meant Balme stayed at the Tigers, in a “godfather” role in their footy department.
The talks with the Crows have focused around a yet to be specified role, but it is understood if Balme went to Adelaide he would be along with Nicks as the two most influential figures in the football department.
The potential of Balme, who has also worked at Geelong and Collingwood, coming to the Crows had been praised by those in the industry.
Premiership Cat Cameron Mooney, who is now on FOX FOOTY, said the Crows and Nicks would be “extremely lucky to have him”.
“He’s the best person I know in football,” he said.
“He is supremely calm, he is a beautiful man, he is a great influence on coaches, on players, on staff and on footy clubs in general.
“He came into us (Geelong) at the end of 2006 and along with Steve Hocking, they just made the club run smooth.
“He was just a great voice to have, he was a voice of calmness and reason.”
Outgoing Geelong chief executive Brian Cook told FIVEaa on Sunday that Balme had the ability to turn waves into flat water.
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/news/adelaide-crows-bid-to-lure-neil-balme-to-south-australia-hits-a-stumbling-block/news-story/7dbf17f45ffc7c96cb44054fff27191e
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This is an attempt by the crows to destabilize us internally and with the membership, their using Edmund to do it.
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LOL
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1432288329756655624/photo/1
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They say home is where the heart is
Balmey's heart is with Richmond
It's home
Simple really
Oh and BTW, Sam Edmund has just tweeted he got it wrong
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Bahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhshhahhah
Maybe Tex will stay for another year at least
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Petition to change thread title to “Neil Balme is NOT leaving”.
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Petition to change thread title to “Neil Balme is NOT leaving”.
Done! ;D.
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https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1432288329756655624
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Sam Edmund's tweet tonight:
Hand up. Happy man raising one hand
Sometimes we get a bum steer in this caper and it’s not always straightforward. Nevertheless, I was premature in declaring Neil Balme in Crows colours. He stays at Richmond (again!) which is great news for them.
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1432291016162222082
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Adelaide supporters traumatised by us once again :snidegrin.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/neil-balme-head-of-football-no.1283494/page-10
Here's a timeline summary of the past 36 hours for Crows fans :rollin.
Relying on only 5AA for all their 'news':
Neil Balme was heavily involved in the first game the Crows ever played. Good to see him back in SA.
**** this is good. Balme has the Midas touch. We've been talking about bringing him to the club for years, and for years it seemed like a fantasy. Now that it's virtually a done deal, every Crows supporter should be pinching themself.
You would think the club would announce it today considering all the media speculation if it’s a done deal, we will see in a few hours
Rowie believes all parties have agreed to agree but nothing formal.
Riccuito this morning also didn't deny Balme Rumours, but he kept saying he wont be head of football, seems the advisory role is on the money, basically said wait and see till the club announces it.
Crows CEO Tim Silvers goes on 5AA at 5.30pm yesterday:
Tim Silvers "can't comment on that".
All cleared up then...
lol wtf....this club poos me cant comment? if we are not even considering him just say no ffs
Wtf is wrong with our club and communication FFS. It's not hard Silvers it's either a yes he is coming or not it was just speculation. How hard is it to say the truth, really gives you the poos massively.
Claim the email from Balmey was fake because they are too stupid to understand different time zones: :stupid
Im calling the email a massive fake
Honestly
It's so easy to create a false email....
The time stamp of that email says it was sent at 4:20, 11 minutes ago.
4:20 was not 11 minutes ago.
Clear fake.
People on here have faked their own death, not sure why it’s such a stretch that some clown might have faked an email.
And finally a 10+ page meltdown on the Crows forum after the confirmation Balmey wasn't going to Adelaide: :rollin
This is so AFC its hilarious.
It's sad how use to operational incompetence we've become.
Complete rubbish from the club. Silvers was on radio 2 hours ago stringing things along as if he was stitched up.
And some random on BF knew more about it than him.
What a goose.
Welp, Richmond have wedgied us bad here
f*** me I am sick to death of this club, are we actually able to do anything to a competent level anymore?
;D as if we were going to be that lucky, nothing that good happens for us, not sure why people here got their hopes up before an official club statement, only time a rumour is true is when one of our good players wants to leave.
I ******* bet it was Mark Ricciuto that leaked it to the media, opening his big mouth before Balme had even made a decision
Well this is embarrassing
This is the most Adelaide thing ever. This club is such a pathetic pooshow.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/neil-balme-head-of-football-no.1283494/page-10
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Good news. Have enormous respect for Neil and glad he is not leaving the club.
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Sam Edmund's tweet tonight:
Hand up. Happy man raising one hand
Sometimes we get a bum steer in this caper and it’s not always straightforward. Nevertheless, I was premature in declaring Neil Balme in Crows colours. He stays at Richmond (again!) which is great news for them.
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1432291016162222082
"A bum steer"? Better give the person who gave you the "steer" a clip Sammy :lol
A person taking a phone call doesn't normally mean something or someone is locked in.
But perhaps we should thank you Sammy, your incompetence probably helped in bringing forward the decision :shh :lol
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Now by the sounds of things a few clubs (North Melbourne and Gokd Coast) are coming for Blair Hartley.
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Great news.
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Happy 70th birthday Neil Balme :birthday
176 games as a player, 251 goals with Subiaco, Richmond, Norwood
1973-74 VFL flags
1972-73 leading goals
Coached Norwood, Woodville-West Torrens, Melbourne
1982, ‘84 SANFL flags
Footy GM Collingwood, Geelong (3 flags), Richmond (3 flags)
https://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane/status/1482108011770675200
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1482129431972184064
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2021 Told Adelaide fc to pee off. :rollin
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AFL legend Neil Balme has revealed details of his battle with epilepsy. The former coach and premiership-driving footy administrator suffered his first brain seizure three years ago.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1697887563619676373
n.b. the news report says Balmey is fine, and that medication has his epilepsy under control.
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‘I woke up in the ambulance going, ‘where the hell am I?’
Neil Balme was asleep in his Fitzroy home when he suffered a severe brain seizure out of the blue. Now he’s opening up on his shock diagnosis to raise awareness of life with epilepsy.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/neil-balme-opens-up-on-harrowing-battle-with-epileptic-brain-seizures/news-story/cc9f91ab09b55e1c94918f5d1157fcdf
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There will be story about in on tonight's Ch7 news
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A story on this is also in the Sunday Sun
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Wife opens up on AFL icon’s ‘horrible’ health news
News.com.au
September 4th, 2023 12:09 pm
AFL cult hero Neil Balme has gone public with his secret battle following a recent epilepsy diagnosis.
The 71-year-old was only diagnosed with the condition in 2020 after suffering his first seizure which came from out of the blue when he had been in bed with his wife.
Balme, one of the key figures in Richmond’s recent premiership dynasty as the club’s head of football, said he has no memory of the seizure and has since has further episodes.
“I woke up in the ambulance — I haven’t got a great recall of this — but I woke up and said, ‘Where the F am I?’” Balme told 7NEWS.
“I genuinely can’t recall all that stuff,” he admitted.
“Anything could have happened. It is pretty scary, when you think about it.”
His wife Carmel has also opened up about the scary incident.
“This horrible noise like a koala just started happening and I looked to my left and it was Neil clinching his teeth and making the worst noise ever,” she said.
Balme has lost around 20kg since the first seizure.
He is speaking out publicly about his battles after taking up a position as an ambassador for the Walk For Epilepsy fundraising campaign.
He earlier told News Corp: “It’s lucky my wife was there because if I was on my own I don’t know what would have happened,” he said.
“I was making crazy noises and shaking, and I was sort of knocked out. She was terrified.
“She tried to make sure I was breathing and checked my heart and realised something bad was going on so she rang triple-0.
“I woke up in the ambulance going, ‘Where the hell am I?’ I was in hospital for a few days and they sort of figured it out.”
Balme played 159 games for Richmond in the 1970s including the 1973 and 1974 premierships and coached Melbourne for 98 games in the ‘90s.
He is now encouraging others impacted by epilepsy to similarly open up about it.
“I believe everything you’ve got, you’re better off getting it out there, talking about it — you’re not going to fix it by denying it,” he said.
The Walk For Epilepsy fundraising campaign begins October 1.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/wife-opens-up-on-afl-icons-horrible-health-news/news-story/5ac04c13bba1495c4a686ed222b4851f
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Balmey will be a guest on AFL360 tonight (Tuesday).
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Balmey will be a guest on AFL360 tonight (Tuesday).
Bump.
Coming on the show soon.
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Neil Balme shares his story and how he has tackled his recent diagnosis of epilepsy.
You can register for the Walk for Epilepsy at http://walkforepilepsy.org.au
WATCH THE SEGMENT HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1699006818737942706
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-casual-lunch-that-brought-a-club-favourite-s-time-at-tigerland-to-an-end-20240314-p5fcie.html
Just don't go to the scum please balmey
What a bloody champion and a gentleman if you have ever met him.
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-casual-lunch-that-brought-a-club-favourite-s-time-at-tigerland-to-an-end-20240314-p5fcie.html
Just don't go to the scum please balmey
What a bloody champion and a gentleman if you have ever met him.
I will have read when I get the paper today as the above link for me is behind a paywall
Just my take (without reading the entire article) but a poor decision by the Club
And you are right Frankie, Balmey is an absolute gentleman. Treats everyone the same with so much respect.
Sat and chatted with him at the Collingwood praccy game. What a great night it was
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-casual-lunch-that-brought-a-club-favourite-s-time-at-tigerland-to-an-end-20240314-p5fcie.html
Just don't go to the scum please balmey
What a bloody champion and a gentleman if you have ever met him.
I will have read when I get the paper today as the above link for me is behind a paywall
Just my take (without reading the entire article) but a poor decision by the Club
And you are right Frankie, Balmey is an absolute gentleman. Treats everyone the same with so much respect.
Sat and chatted with him at the Collingwood praccy game. What a great night it was
i wouldnt pay a cent for any social media WP , let alone the age.
nice little 3 button hack their silly it department is failing to address :shh
here it is and FWIW i agree. I know it wasnt just bennys call but why is he making calls when he has one foot out the door , unless he received some medical advice about balmy or Yze wants him out. If its the latter then he better deliver.
You get the feeling he will go around again, and so he should.
I cant recall ever meeting anyone as nice as him in any code tbh. Some of our current players are a disgrace in comparison.
here is the article
The casual lunch that brought a club favourite’s time at Tigerland to an end
By Caroline Wilson
The Age
March 16, 2024
It was at a casual pre-season lunch hosted by Brendon Gale where Neil Balme, another key player from the Richmond premiership epoch, learned that his time at the club was about to come to an end.
In a conversation Balme described as briefly awkward, always caring but ultimately definitive, the Tigers CEO and his football boss Blair Hartley made it clear that season 2024 would be Balme’s last at the club.
Eavesdropping fellow diners at Richmond’s Rowena Parade Milk Bar would not have realised the significance of the conversation at first. Gale, Hartley and Balme have been part of a passing parade of Tigers’ staff and players at the cafe for years.
Breaking bread and drinking coffee, the Richmond bosses asked Balme about his health and well-being and plans for the future. They talked about how much he deserved a proper holiday. At some point, the penny dropped.
Balme, speaking exclusively to this masthead about the decision, said he had come to terms with his subtly enforced exit but admitted it had not sat comfortably with him for some days afterwards.
“I think they were making the point they want me to retire rather than move me on,” he said, “and in a sense that takes the pressure off all of us. For a day or two I did feel a little bit uncomfortable, but the reality is I’m out of the decision-making area, and it’s kind of like a changing of the guard.
What they were saying was I’ve done my work at Richmond without any doubt. And while they have enormous respect for my relationship with the Richmond community the reality is I’ve been a bit crook and a bit weird.
“I’m not as strong mentally as I used to be, and I struggle with my emotions sometimes.”
Balme was diagnosed with epilepsy in 2020 after his first in a series of frightening seizures. Still very much a media frontman for the club and a highly effective conduit with sponsors, coterie groups and other heavy hitters, Balme was removed from the football department and its day-to-day processes in 2021 partly due to soft-cap constraints but remained an influential player in the Tigers’ fledgling AFLW program.
Although he was Melbourne coach when the teenaged Adem Yze was recruited to the Demons, Balme was not included in the coaching process to find Damien Hardwick’s replacement. He was not explicitly told, but it became clear over the pre-season he would no longer sit in the coaches’ box on match days.
“I’m not really part of match committee any more,” said Balme, “and they made a conscious decision not to have me involved [with Yze’s appointment] and I accepted that.”
A famously outspoken critic of the AFL and its processes, Balme, whose equally old-school football values have never prevented him having a positive impact on players and football departments, remains acutely self-aware about his diminishing role as a full-time football official in the era of increasing compliance.
“What I have to say doesn’t always suit them,” he observed of both club and head office. While Balme has a relationship with the new coach, “he doesn’t regularly come into my office and ask my advice”.
Gale, too, looks certain to depart Richmond to take over as inaugural chief of the new Tasmanian team, but he will ensure Balme receives a fitting send-off towards the end of 2024.
Whether he chooses to share his effective wisdom on a part-time basis with another club, work on another biography or share his stories as an after-dinner speaker, Balme will remain one of the game’s most fascinating and ultimately heroic characters.
After two premierships as a Richmond player and a successful coaching career at Norwood in the SANFL, Balme came close at Melbourne. He came close, too, on several occasions at the helm of Collingwood’s football operation. Sacked the first time, he moved to Geelong where the under-performing Cats won their first of three flags under his football stewardship.
Sacked the second time by the Magpies in late 2016 he moved to Richmond. If he could single out one key success over the past seven-and-a-half years it remains the drought-breaking 2017 premiership.
That came off the back of a 2016 review where Gale restructured the football department and placed Balme in charge and Peggy O’Neal fought significant political unrest. The only thing O’Neal’s board and the two separate groups of challengers agreed upon was that the club needed to bring back Neil Balme.
“I felt I had an impact,” he said. “I just encouraged them to do the things their values dictated. To make it simple. They were already doing a lot right. How I fitted in was terrific and in a sense it was easy because it felt like I was coming home.”
With so many key players going and gone from the Tigers’ premiership era, Balme still insists he holds no fears for the club which before 2017 had endured 37 years without a flag and for many of those years existed in a relative cultural wasteland.
“No I don’t,” he said. “I know people say this, but culturally they’ve never been in a better spot. Adem [Yze] and Tim [Livingstone] and Blair [Hartley] reflect the values and behaviours that they and others before them had put into place.
“It can always fall apart if you put the wrong people in of course, but I don’t see any danger of that happening here. There will be challenges on-field as we re-build but the attitude to training and the general feeling about the place is terrific.”
As he enters his 73rd year, Balme remains torn about his football future. He came close to leaving Richmond towards the end of 2021 when Mark Ricciuto led an Adelaide push seeking a football mentor for the relatively inexperienced new coach Matthew Nicks and his football boss Adam Kelly. But Balme’s medical specialist urged him not to make the geographic career change.
He calls Richmond home and sees his return for eight years as a football administrator and later ambassador and influencer at the club as his ultimate legacy. But he still believes he has something to offer.
“I’m not sure I’ll ever work full-time at a footy club again,” Balme said. “It’s a challenging job working in a footy club. They’re challenging places. But I’d love to keep helping others and in a lot of ways I’m ready for another challenge even if it’s on a consultancy basis.
“If I had to sum it up I can say I’ve come back to the club I called home for eight years, and we’ve had some success and everything comes to an end.
“This is just another part of the changing of the guard. I might have been a bit disappointed for about five minutes but in the end in their position I probably would have done the same thing.”
Football historians and Richmond supporters will look back and debate the final domino, which fell to end the Tigers’ premiership era.
Some will point to 2022, when a grieving Dustin Martin lost his football appetite and the club lost him for the best part of a season. Others to 2023 and the not-so-pleasant May Sunday morning when Hardwick told Gale he, too, had lost the hunger – at least for Richmond. Or in August, when a tearful Trent Cotchin and Jack Riewoldt walked from the MCG for the final time in Tiger jumpers. Premiership president Peggy O’Neal had stepped away in 2022 with Gale set to follow by the end this season.
But history should also register the recent February lunch down the road from Tigerland where Neil Balme pondered his football mortality and accepted, not without some difficulty, that his time, too, at the club had come to an end.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-casual-lunch-that-brought-a-club-favourite-s-time-at-tigerland-to-an-end-20240314-p5fcie.html
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I appreciate that many on here don't give a rats about our women's team and the AFLW
But Balmey has been a staunch supporter of it but I am really worried about it now. Our AFLW squad love him and sound him out for advice often. Like he was with our men, a cool head in any circumstance
And still don't know what to make of this decision
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What's AFLW?
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What's AFLW?
Best post you’ve made
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I appreciate that many on here don't give a rats about our women's team and the AFLW
But Balmey has been a staunch supporter of it but I am really worried about it now. Our AFLW squad love him and sound him out for advice often. Like he wascwith our men, a cool head I any circumstance
And still don't know what to make of this decision
I find it puzzling this decision who.made the call Gale who is on the way out. Balme would be perfect for Yze no one better with his experience. If he was pushed sorry to say with all this transition happening it was a poor call.
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The entire club needs a fresh start.
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Surely Balme is another jibby jab victim... Never heard of someone becoming epileptic.. but I know many that developed it after being jibby jabbed for the safety of the community lol
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Surely Balme is another jibby jab victim... Never heard of someone becoming epileptic.. but I know many that developed it after being jibby jabbed for the safety of the community lol
Just another ignorant statement from you about something you clearly have no idea about
My late Mum developed epilepsy in her late 60s. Once diagnosed she was on medication for it unitl she passed away. BTW She passed away in 2005 a long time before COVID, so you sweeping "jibby jabbed" statement is at best foolish but mostly ignorant
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Surely Balme is another jibby jab victim... Never heard of someone becoming epileptic.. but I know many that developed it after being jibby jabbed for the safety of the community lol
Ridiculous statement. Breathtaking in its ignorance
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Lmao , pull your head out of the sand.. I have 2 family members and know a few others that have never ever had epilepsy, but since taking the convid jab are now epileptic. Living in denial is your issue . Not my problem the sheep don't want to wake up. .
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Lol. Two family members. Sure buddy....
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You gotta love conspiracy cookers...self-involved "wolves" who are so caught up in culture-war nonsense that it becomes their entire personality..... :lol
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What's the conspiracy, it's all facts.. you've all been brainwashed. It's laughable. Personally idgaf. I have no sympathy for fools. Facts are out there in pure daylight . Died suddenly, been a trend for 2 years now. It's fun..
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Well he's not wrong about the vaccine causing illness for many people. It's real
Not real sure it applies to Neal Balme and anyone else who gets epilepsy however
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Well he's not wrong about the vaccine causing illness for many people. It's real
Not real sure it applies to Neal Balme and anyone else who gets epilepsy however
I simply asked the question about Balme, but epilepsy has been well documented as a major side effect, just as myocarditis, pericarditis, stroke, clots ... The list goes on . People can live in denial , they choose to, because they will never admit to being totally brainwashed and shafted . I have no sympathy... These are the people that treated us like leppers and we were the healthy ones , laughable .
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Clowns to the left of me , jokers to the right..... :shh
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And the jibby jabbed in the middle
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Of course there are rare cases of adverse reactions to vaccines. That’s well known.
The amusing thing for me is old mate raising it abruptly on footy forum, claiming it happened to two family members…
Then claiming that he doesn’t give a stuff about the topic, when he is very clearly a culture war obsessed “patriot” who spends time calling people “sheep” on various internet platforms if they do not share his specific world view.
“Wake up” … “do your own research”….”the deep state is putting 5G in your onions” …. :lol
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Slick Willy you may be right about him but I see you using some good old abc type language while taking him down :shh
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What bugs me about this whole episode
Is why has the club done an about face about balmy when barely two years ago they fended off the crows interest in him
Is he just that much older or has his disease progressed ?
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Maybe it’s just time? The club has been amazing to him and vice versa. His legacy makes him an immortal of the club but we need to move forward.
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Yes you’re probably right .. it’s just time
We all have a use by date I guess
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Hmm, I knew people who weren't "jibby jabbed" & died from Covid. I also know people who weren't "jibby jabbed" & are now suffering Long Covid, I mean really suffering,. Constant headaches, respiratory problems, & various other symptoms.
How many people suffered adverse reactions to the vaccines, relatively few all things considered. Far more would have died without the "jibby Jab"
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Hmm, I knew people who weren't "jibby jabbed" & died from Covid. I also know people who weren't "jibby jabbed" & are now suffering Long Covid, I mean really suffering,. Constant headaches, respiratory problems, & various other symptoms.
How many people suffered adverse reactions to the vaccines, relatively few all things considered. Far more would have died without the "jibby Jab"
or it could be age, sex, first nation status etc :shh :shh
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-15/long-covid-symptoms-queensland-chief-health-officer-john-gerrard/103587836
i think both sides have valid points but willy sorry to say how the stuff do you, mafia, or anyone knows anything as a matter of fact. They are full of poo this government.
That said, one thing we can all agree on though is balmy's jabbed status does not belong in this topic?
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What bugs me about this whole episode
Is why has the club done an about face about balmy when barely two years ago they fended off the crows interest in him
Is he just that much older or has his disease progressed ?
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I agree especially with ao much staff leaving bit puzzling for me Balme is perfect for Yze development.
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Hmm, I knew people who weren't "jibby jabbed" & died from Covid. I also know people who weren't "jibby jabbed" & are now suffering Long Covid, I mean really suffering,. Constant headaches, respiratory problems, & various other symptoms.
How many people suffered adverse reactions to the vaccines, relatively few all things considered. Far more would have died without the "jibby Jab"
You know they've just discovered that "long covid" is not really a thing and even leftist media outlets are reporting it:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/long-covid-doesn-t-exist-as-we-know-it-according-to-new-research-20240314-p5fcjz.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/15/long-covid-symptoms-flu-cold
:shh
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That said, one thing we can all agree on though is balmy's jabbed status does not belong in this topic?
totally agree.
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TIS
You are a stuffing dog
Total stuffing grub
Keep your mouth shut
And before you PM me with your normal threats of coming to front you , how about you come and front me
Tough guy
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Sad to hear about NB.
I'd say with his slow removal from responsibilities is that this has been long coming.
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TIS
You are a stuffing dog
Total stuffing grub
Keep your mouth shut
And before you PM me with your normal threats of coming to front you , how about you come and front me
Tough guy
Wtf are you on about, and if you wanna meet face to face, fly over. Will be happy to meet. You really have issues, but if you think I gave my time to waste being baited by you, think again. But you seem very confident and strong, come over , what's stopping you?
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Hmm, I knew people who weren't "jibby jabbed" & died from Covid. I also know people who weren't "jibby jabbed" & are now suffering Long Covid, I mean really suffering,. Constant headaches, respiratory problems, & various other symptoms.
How many people suffered adverse reactions to the vaccines, relatively few all things considered. Far more would have died without the "jibby Jab"
You know they've just discovered that "long covid" is not really a thing and even leftist media outlets are reporting it:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/long-covid-doesn-t-exist-as-we-know-it-according-to-new-research-20240314-p5fcjz.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/15/long-covid-symptoms-flu-cold
:shh
Covid , long covid , global burning, cow poo is destroying the earth ...... Lmao
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Sounds like Balmey has more to give. :shh
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Sounds like Balmey has more to give. :shh
Sorry Frankie, not trying to be a smart behind but waht are you talking about?
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Sounds like Balmey has more to give. :shh
Sorry Frankie, not trying to be a smart behind but waht are you talking about?
Mate he even said it took him by shock and wanted to go on. Even in a part time basis would be good. His calm head and experience is what we need. Livingstone and Blair have made bit to many blews last couple years
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Sounds like Balmey has more to give. :shh
Sorry Frankie, not trying to be a smart behind but waht are you talking about?
@WilliamPowell I suspect it has something to do with this interview and being willing to help Matthew Nicks if he was asked.
https://x.com/7NewsAdelaide/status/1803724358780895675
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Celebrating Neil Balme’s immense contribution to Richmond, and across the AFL, for more than 50 years.
Thank you for everything Balmey, and congratulations on a remarkable career
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdmkGNfbQAAzRax?format=jpg&name=small)
One of the most respected figures in the history of our game.
We honoured Neil Balme’s pivotal role in football and celebrated his achievements at the @MCG on Thursday.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdmiY3rW8AAvr9T?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/Richmond_FC
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So what’s the go with balmey. I know there were reports that he was leaving (or being nudged out the door) but I don’t remember anything official from the club.
So has he left the club and/or retired?
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So what’s the go with balmey. I know there were reports that he was leaving (or being nudged out the door) but I don’t remember anything official from the club.
So has he left the club and/or retired?
He has retired.
Had heart surgery back on August, hence why the tribute function was last week. Was supposed to be August but his surgery got in the way.
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one of the best men you will ever meet.
:clapping :clapping
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Feel like he is the perfect example of that there are 2 types of people in life, winners and losers.
Balmey is a winner. Just as pure as a winner as you'll ever meet.
Everywhere he went he won, not all the time but most often he did.
One of the big pieces of our puzzle in dynasty era, forever grateful of this man and his hard work. Thank you NB. Champion Tiger.
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What a champ.
Before he came back we were full of Greame Richmond wannabes leaking information to the media to suit their own agendas, we were a leaking siv most of the time.
What he was able to do behind the scenes to weed out the narcissists and make us act like a professional organisation.
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"Neil Balme has his say on Richmond’s bold trade and draft strategy"
Herald Sun
23 December 2024
"There was a mass exodus of stars at Richmond within just two months of Neil Balme leaving the club. The former Tigers administrator has his say on the trade and draft strategy."
Former Richmond administrator Neil Balme believes the Tigers can bounce back from their rebuild reasonably quickly, saying the club did the right thing in allowing quality players to depart in return for prized draft picks.
The Tigers lost premiership quartet Shai Bolton, Dan Rioli, Liam Baker and Jack Graham during the trade period which allowed them to stockpile top-end selections.
In a draft praised for its depth in the early rounds, Richmond took Sam Lalor with the No.1 pick, 195 centimetre midfielder Josh Smillie, electric small Taj Hotton, key forwards Jonty Faull and Harry Armstrong, and intercept defender Luke Trainor.
The Tigers traded their final pick in the first round for North Melbourne’s 2025 first-round pick which could prove to be valuable.
The late Richmond recruiting manager Chris Toce was behind this illustrious draft haul and Balme described his tragic death as “horrifying”.
Balme, who stepped away from the Tigers in August, saw first-hand the impact of Geelong’s draft hauls in the early 2000s – including the 2001 ‘super draft’ – which led them to three premierships in five years.
After his stint as football boss at Geelong from 2007-14, he joined Richmond ahead of the 2017 season and saw the likes of Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin hold the cup aloft.
He said Richmond’s trade and draft strategy should prove to be effective given the strength of 2024 draft crop and the looming threat of Tasmania.
“All the recruiters are saying it’s as good a draft as there’s been for a while. And also with Tassie coming in, it will cost us a fair bit in terms of draft picks going forward, which we can understand,” Balme said.
“So I think it’s the right place at the right time and now there’s got to be some really good coaching, which I’ve got no doubt our guys will (provide), and it’s a lot of good learning for the players to really buy into it.
“I think the older blokes and even the middle-aged blokes at Richmond get it, they are really pleased that these kids have come on and I think they will really help them understand how the game works and get them in as quickly as they can.
“They’re in a pretty good place and I think everyone is still looking back, it wasn’t that long ago that we were outstanding for three out of four years. So there’s a little bit of patience required in that, but I think they’ll get it and I think they’ll come out of it reasonably quickly.
“With the draft, I think hopefully it’ll be an exceptional draft and those kids will take the opportunity that’s in front of them.”
Balme said it is imperative for clubs to be honest about where they sit and this was ultimately why the Tigers allowed three quality players to walk for the right price.
“There may be a time when you’ve got to rebuild, as they call it, and that’s exactly what they’re doing. I think the real challenge for those footy clubs is to understand where they are, what position they are in,” Balme said.
“As long as the CEO and the board, etc and the coach all think the same way as to where we are, I mean, it’s more achievable to pull out of it as quickly as you can. And I think that’s what they’ve recognised.
“Several of the first-picked players leave, well if we thought there was a genuine chance that we might be in the picture again for this year coming, we wouldn’t have let those blokes go and worked a lot harder to keep them.
“But because of where we are, we say, ‘OK, if they want to go, that’s okay.’ We’ll sort of help them go, as long as we get decent picks for them. And then we can do what we’ve done, which is pick six or seven kids who obviously might not have a huge influence next year, but very soon they will – they are the rebuild on top of what we’ve already got.
“So I think they know where they are, I think there is probably going to be a bit of pain next year because it’s hard to get through. But they know what they’re doing and they will just keep getting better.”
Toce, who passed away from cancer on the final day of the trade period, was honoured on draft night by having his young son, Harry, log the first selection that saw Lalor join the club.
Balme has had health scares himself in recent years, telling this masthead in August that he “dodged a bullet” undergoing heart bypass surgery, having also battled epilepsy in recent years.
“It is almost surreal what happened to him because he’d only been with us for nine months in the end and it almost come from nowhere. All of a sudden he is crook and you think, ‘ah yeah he is crook, he will be alright’, but then the poor fella passes,” Balme said.
“Then you see his wife and kids at the function that we’re at for him and it’s just horrifying when you look at it.
“It was awful and when you saw all the people that had worked with him in footy and how wonderfully they spoke about him, I know everyone does when you pass, but they were real.
“It was very challenging for Blair Hartley and our recruiting blokes to lose him when we did. He really had quite a bit of impact even though he’d only been there for nine months, very, very said.”
Balme said he will consider lending a hand at the Tigers, where he also won two premierships as a player.
“I’m sort of thinking a little about what I’m going to do – I can’t do nothing - but I’m looking forward to just having a bit of a breather and think it through and see what I can do,” Balme said.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/neil-balme-has-his-say-on-richmonds-bold-trade-and-draft-strategy/news-story/0b6572110094abbb7120d7aae234d03c
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Sounds like Balmey has more to give. :shh
:shh
Some people here have been made to look pretty stupid now.
treated like a peice of crap in the last few years by this administration and a few of the old ones too.
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Adelaide embracing their demons - like when Liverpool got Michael Thomas. :shh
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AFL great Neil Balme joins Adelaide Crows' board
Shayne Hope
14 Feb 2025
Adelaide have finally succeeded in luring AFL premiership "godfather" and respected administrator Neil Balme to join the club's board.
Adelaide previously chased Balme in 2020 and 2021 while he was heavily involved in Richmond's golden era, which delivered three premierships.
The 73-year-old stepped down from his role with the Tigers last August and has a long history of success as a player, coach and administrator at the top level.
"Football has always been such a big part of my life and this is a new challenge, and great opportunity to remain involved in the game in an official capacity," Balme said.
"In recent years I've had numerous conversations with the Crows and the likes of John Olsen, Mark Ricciuto and Tim Silvers, and I obviously have strong ties to South Australian football, and this role is a good fit."
Balme played in two VFL premierships with Richmond and coached Norwood to a pair of SANFL flags.
He was also an influential figure in premiership-winning football departments at Geelong (2007, 2009 and 2011) and Richmond (2018, 2019 and 2020).
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/afl-great-neil-balme-joins-adelaide-crows-board/ar-AA1z0Oq6
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Herd about the health issues, but seems no issue for him to take the role never understood why we didn't keep his expertise.
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Herd about the health issues, but seems no issue for him to take the role never understood why we didn't keep his expertise.
No idea myself but maybe he was offered more money by Adelaide and we couldn't afford to keep him?
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Board positions don’t often pay that well Andy
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:shh
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Board positions don’t often pay that well Andy
Club directors (board members) don't get paid
Herd about the health issues, but seems no issue for him to take the role never understood why we didn't keep his expertise.
A non full time position -v- full time position that took up god knows how many hours a week.... when you've just had major heart surgery and managing epilepsy. Seems sort of obvious to me.
:shh
And you're implying what?
Tell you what go to the praccy in a fortnight you'll probably see him there and you can ask him what the go is ;)
IMHO there's nothing to see here
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They’ll pay him expenses which I presume will include some mayo for his troubles…