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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 12, 2007, 10:07:59 PM
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Stumbled across Weaver's past phantom drafts on BF. Makes for some interesting reading in hindsight looking back at the players we picked up.
2006:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279879
7. Daniel Connors- drafted pick 58
Connors has the appeal of being able to play both inside and outside. In close he has quick reflexes, vision and awareness to thread handballs through gaps only he sees. Outside he can tuck the pill under his arm, carry and kick with penetration and accuracy. Also has a handy high-mark in his locker. Not completely dissimilar to Heath Black and should be a solid third / fourth best midfielder in the AFL for 150 games. Ordering the midfielders is always tough but Connors should be one of the first to go.
10. Shane Edwards - drafted pick 26
Very much an outside winger with electric pace and long-kicking. Loves open-spaces and showed some toughness in the SANFL that belied his light frame. Can be wasteful when he runs too far and doesn’t steady before kicking. Has good form in senior company, finishing the season very strongly and moving up the draft board. Has no left foot which could be a problem.
33. Jack Reiwoldt - drafted pick 13
A slow centreman in a KP player’s body. Takes very short steps when he runs which can give the impression of running on the spot. Gets his marks from superior reading of the play and anticipation. Lack of athleticism should seem him be the dropper in this draft. Doesn’t get gaps on defenders which means he takes too many contested marks, relies on losing opponents in traffic and getting the ball at ground level. Hawks have never been too fussed about athleticism and won’t be shy about calling his name.
54. Carl Peterson – drafted pick 60
A 19 year old from country WA who was a late arrival in Perth, being invited down as part of the Clontarf Academy program. Missed most of last season with injury and OP but made an impressive 5-goal WAFL debut towards the end of the season. Despite being a year older than most and not coming through the Championship program he is unlikely to be missed. Did enough to win Claremont’s best first year player award. Could well be one who rises up the draft order and spoils many phantom drafts.
71. Tas Clingan - drafted as a rookie
Only really showed his talent in the finals campaign, which probably translates to rookie consideration at best. Thrived on the HBF where he could run at the contests, fly for spoils, swoop on crumbs and run and bounce. Turns defence into attack with good pace and long kicking.
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2005:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205391
6. Cleve Hughes - drafted pick 24
Franklin shapes as more a mobile flanker, and Roughead probably a CHB. Hughes is more a genuine contester and corridor player who works hard to secure front position and mark in his hands. He and Tom Murphy in the key spots with Franklin playing off them looks a good future forward line. Hughes is not an eye-catcher, more a John Barker type who can create crumbs and do OK when the ball hits the deck. Good long kick. Brings running players into the game with handball – that ability probably suits him to CHF more than FF. What they do here would depend on whether they go or short at 3. If Kennedy falls to 3 they could take Swallow here. Hughes and Dowler are similar and both need gym work.
10. Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls – drafted pick 8
A genuine wingman with real flair. Kicks the ball well, has some tricks and pace, and at 186cm has enough height that you can kick to him on the switch of play. Wide open spaces of Subi should suit. Freo need some extra dash through the middle and someone to kick to leading forwards. Again being a local boy won’t hurt. Ryder might be the other option for them to add depth to the forward line. Oakley-Nicholls’ flair will appeal to a rather pedestrian, workmanlike outfit.
33. Angus Graham - drafted as a rookie
Will the Saints take some ruck insurance? Probably don’t have to use this early a pick but may go for Graham. Played mostly schoolboys so is a bit underdeveloped and needs a fair bit of schooling. At 198 he has enough height and can pinch hit up forward too. A little inconsistent. Having tried to combine school in the county, rep footy with Tassie and club footy in Melbourne he is someone who could blossom in a more settled environment. Trent West would be the other contender but he tended to go missing in big games.
34. Travis Casserley - drafted pick 40
Shapes as a Subi special. Long striding, running wingman who likes to carry the ball and kick long. Needs to improve man on man work but looks the kind who would thrive in space and the Eagles have taken his type quite a lot in the past, store them away and bring them out in three years. Still very light and very much a receiver. Not too many pacy options left though. Kristian Thornton is another similar player, could look at either. Hard to call what the Eagles need so they will probably go best available all the way.
47. Matt White - drafted PSD pick 5
Missing the bulk of the finals series and the under-18 championships will see his stock fall and he will probably be a rookie-list candidate as a consequence. Has good allround game and the stamina to keep going for a full match. AFL clubs love pace in their utilities and he certainly has that.
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2004:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138047
1. Brett Deledio - drafted pick 1
trading away Fiora makes this selection more likely. Deledio can be the dashing defender that Fiora never was, before he takes on ruck-rover duties in a couple of years time. His ability to play anywhere other than ruck has to appeal to a rebuilding team. Leadership qualities will be the sealer.
5. Richard Tambling - drafted pick 4
Hawks would like a CHF to be available here but there isn't really one. They might be tempted to take ruckman Cam Wood here. Tambling is probably a best-available pick and they certainly lack pace. They might not be too keen to take someone who will struggle to play for 3 years and Tambling is super-light. Maybe they see him as a goalsneak short-term and Clarkson saw the Burgoynes thrive first-hand.
13. Danny Meyer - drafted pick 12
I think Ryan Jackson, Meyer and Chris Egan are similar players. The temptation will be to take them here. For mine Jackson is the safest of them, Egan the most talented and Meyer right in between. Melbourne like drafted SA kids they seem well connected there.
25. Dean Limbach - drafted pick 52
I am guessing they will want a key position player. There are heaps of similarly talented ones arounf and it is super tough to pick them. Limbach is from the old Carlton zone of Coburg. Is a big solid, hard worker who will appeal. They may want someone more mobile but Pagan tends to like his defenders to be big solid blokes.
33. Dean Polo - drafted pick 20
Can look ungainly but is very effective and is good insurance against them losing one of their young midfielders to a rival club. Can play inside or outside and has good stamina.
44. Mitchell Morton - West Coast father/son pick 44
By junior standards a good midfielder, by AFL standards more of an outside wngman. Lacks a defensive side to his game but has plenty of flair and class. Would have gone top-10.
49. Will Thursfield - drafted as a rookie
Another club which would like some insurance for the key defensive posts. Thursfield is a lighter type who tends to back himself but is talented and again the success of Rivers, Cornes and Bowden might pave the way for the lighter, athletic CHB.
50. Luke McGuane - drafted pick 36
There is a clutch of super-raw QLD bigmen this year. Lions have ruck options so might overlook Moran. That still leaves Garner, McGuane, West all of whom are too young to rookie list. I think Luke McGunae is the most talented of the group.
On the fringes: Adam Pattison - drafted pick 16
...key forward or perhaps defender who will come into rookie list calculation or could be picked in the draft.
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2003:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91101
29. Kyle Archibald - drafted pick 81
Tall 190cm utility type which is the kind of guys the Swans love and that thrives on the smaller SCG. Can play forward, can play wing. Probably not clean enough a mark to be a KP in the big stuff. Bit timid for a guy his size as well.
37. Tom Roach - drafted as father/son pick 37
Huge reach for this rookie-list calibre centreman. Reads the play well, is smart and has some class. But needs bulk and is a couple of levels off AFL at the moment.
51. Nathan Foley - drafted as a rookie
The first of the 'samey' inside midfielders of which their are 20-30 to choose from in any year. I am a Foley fan and so I put him in, but it could be anyone. Hawks will probably taking Tallis here.
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33. Jack Reiwoldt - drafted pick 13
Doesn’t get gaps on defenders which means he takes too many contested marks...
Better than not taking them...
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The Craziness Of The 2004 AFL Draft - Richmond
AFL Insider - June 2008
1 Brett Deledio
4 Richard Tambling
12 Danny Meyer
16 Adam Pattison
20 Dean Polo
36 Luke McGuane
52 Dean Limbach
65 Mark Graham
72 Pass
Who your team picked
THE CLUB SAYS "We went in aiming to get a variety of players - some midfielders, some talls and a couple of utilities - and we think we've come out with a decent mix. We were more than happy to take Tambling on board after Hawthorn took (Jarryd) Roughead, because we rate him very highly; we rated all of the top four. We've got a couple of guys who can be thrown around anywhere. It's going to be the department of youth at Richmond next year with the boys we took last year, so Graham appealed as a senior body, not only to stand up in games but to teach these kids as well." - Greg Beck, Richmond recruiting manager
The infamous Richmond draft of 2004, they certainly had a lot of picks to use. One superstar, four other players who get regular games, probably not a big enough return.
Deledio is great but they need a couple more like him, Richmond want to play him at half back, full forward and in the middle. The good thing for Richmond is that Deledio has the size, athleticism and skills to play in all those positions. He was the number 1 pick so this was expected.
Tambling and Meyer were draft mistakes. Too small, picked too high, Richmond need to trade them out to give the players a fresh start elsewhere.
Something that Richmond didn't do in many drafts was try to find help for Richardson. Both Pattison and McGuane were drafted as possible forwards, while that didn't really happen it didn't stop those players from contributing. Pattison is the backup ruckman and McGuane has found a spot in the back line.
http://www.aflinsider.net/the-craziness-of-the-2004-afl-draft-richmond/
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if they not coached & drilled properly it all means nothing
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On the fringes: Adam Pattison - drafted pick 16
...key forward or perhaps defender who will come into rookie list calculation or could be picked in the draft.
How the hell did we end up with Patto at 16 if he was expeected to go as a rookie???
I think we will see Meyers and Polo come good to be honest! Hughes is the great enigma to me. Just wish he could step up in the F50 because of all the places on the ground it is the one area we look extremely thin....
Stripes
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On the fringes: Adam Pattison - drafted pick 16
...key forward or perhaps defender who will come into rookie list calculation or could be picked in the draft.
How the hell did we end up with Patto at 16 if he was expeected to go as a rookie???
I think we will see Meyers and Polo come good to be honest! Hughes is the great enigma to me. Just wish he could step up in the F50 because of all the places on the ground it is the one area we look extremely thin....
Stripes
Looking back he's probably deserving of a selection in the actual draft, but maybe 16 was a little high.
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On the fringes: Adam Pattison - drafted pick 16
...key forward or perhaps defender who will come into rookie list calculation or could be picked in the draft.
How the hell did we end up with Patto at 16 if he was expeected to go as a rookie???
Weaver had him as a rookie. IIRC others had Patto all over the place in phantom draft - as a late first, 2nd or even a early 3rd round pick.
They had Scott Clayton on 3aw today and he said the doggies went for Griffen over Buddy because they wanted to build a super midfield. Buddy's attitude made him classed as a potential "miss" if it went the wrong way compared to the other top picks. It turned out the attitude went the right way on the footy field. One club has apparently said it wouldn't have taken Buddy even if he had been available at pick 100.
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I didnt have Patto rated at all and i was involved ::)
For what its worth, I actually spotted Polo,
Also, in my opinion Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time
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But at the time, there was no way we were going to get Travis Cloke as Mrs Cloke wanted all her boys at the same club.
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I know for a fact that David didnt want him at Richmond due to current staff there.
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But at the time, there was no way we were going to get Travis Cloke as Mrs Cloke wanted all her boys at the same club.
one day its mrs cloke who wanted her boys to play in the one club, then the next day its mr cloke.
bottom line who would want their sons to go to richmond.
as i have said before we are a melbourne version of the fremantle football club, we really are..
pattison should be playing at coburg and i blame the selection committee for that, not him.
we have to give Angus a go for crying out loud and why not promote one of the talls from the rookie.
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Patto's playing because Simmo can't ruck alone even if Simmo was 100% fit. We are still paying for recruiting mistakes made 6-7 years ago. Remember Simmo was a trade. Spud (and Beck) never drafted a young ruckman in his 5 years ::). Cartledge is just a VFL player too even if he wasn't a rookie.
Beck told Damir we only wanted Travis whereas the Pies fed the Clokes crap about wanting all three yet dumped the first 2 as soon as they got their hands on Travis. Damir then has a sook about it ::).
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i think Richmond's development is the problem.
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I didnt have Patto rated at all and i was involved ::)
For what its worth, I actually spotted Polo,
Also, in my opinion Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time
Wow - you spotted a player that went top 20.
Your football understanding is amazing ::)
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I didnt have Patto rated at all and i was involved ::)
For what its worth, I actually spotted Polo,
Also, in my opinion Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time
Wow - you spotted a player that went top 20.
Your football understanding is amazing ::)
I did the tapes for them. . What did you do ?
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I didnt have Patto rated at all and i was involved ::)
For what its worth, I actually spotted Polo,
Also, in my opinion Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time
Wow - you spotted a player that went top 20.
Your football understanding is amazing ::)
I have actually coached , you ?
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I know for a fact that David didnt want him at Richmond due to current staff there.
I know for a fact that I don't care what David wanted or didn't want :rollin
A parent should not be their kids manager. FACT :rollin
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I know for a fact that David didnt want him at Richmond due to current staff there.
I know for a fact that I don't care what David wanted or didn't want :rollin
A parent should not be their kids manager. FACT :rollin
Travis Cloke was a standout in the under 18,s . Wouldnt he be good at punt road.. Cant blame his Dad not wanting him there. Cant beleive the pies got him for pick 35
Why didnt Chris Judd even consider the tiges ? Why would he want to come, he knew. .
Fiora/Pavlich ::)
Buddy Franklin ::)
Best we can do is trade pick 19 in last years draft for a ""cat "" lol.
And dont get me going about Polak, I told you about him. Couldnt punch a hole through a wet paper bag. ::)
At least Polak will be good at Coburg
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I know for a fact that David didnt want him at Richmond due to current staff there.
I know for a fact that I don't care what David wanted or didn't want :rollin
A parent should not be their kids manager. FACT :rollin
Travis Cloke was a standout in the under 18,s . Wouldnt he be good at punt road.. Cant blame his Dad not wanting him there. Cant beleive the pies got him for pick 35
Why didnt Chris Judd even consider the tiges ? Why would he want to come, he knew. .
Fiora/Pavlich ::)
Buddy Franklin ::)
Best we can do is trade pick 19 in last years draft for a ""cat "" lol.
And dont get me going about Polak, I told you about him. Couldnt punch a hole through a wet paper bag. ::)
At least Polak will be good at Coburg
it is becoming clearer by the day how much of a rabble we are at the moment.
only players no one wants like mcmahon will come to punt road.
we r making the same recruiting mistakes we made under spud.
under spud we recruited terrible giving up top 5 picks for our pathetic captain.
imagine we had someone like mcintosh who went top 10 in that draft.
under wallace we have recruited patto, tambling, meyer, jon to name a few. they would all struggle to go top 30 now and have another 6 months to show something or should be thrown into the rubbish bin
ill say this whoever takes over this team will inherit a plane wreck TW will leave.
spud got us into finals lets not forget that, for only the 2nd time in 25 YEARS...
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spud got us into finals lets not forget that, for only the 2nd time in 25 YEARS...
Well is that the answer then Daniel - re-appoint Spud ;D
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spud got us into finals lets not forget that, for only the 2nd time in 25 YEARS...
Well is that the answer then Daniel - re-appoint Spud ;D
no of course not he got us into the mess we r in now but TW is slowly going to put our next coach in a similar position.
i see similar problems between the 2, very similar.
terrible recruiting from both. blind freddy will tell you we have recruited very badly. jordy was the final straw
terrible development from both i mean how can u choose tivers and hyde ahead of our kids.
where are our ruckman? no where. why are we not playing our talls.
anything is got to be better than playing a unfit/injured simmo or a c grade ruckman in patto.
plane wreck fast approaching.
our new coach needs some fresh targets in the draft and that can only come from failing in our remaining matches.
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Daniel, please dont mention Jordy McMahon.
Might as well bring back Weller and Morrsion, They still play Greg (Miller) are they ? :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Why didnt Chris Judd even consider the tiges ?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ = VISY
If Judd was after success he would've chosen Hawthorn, Geelong or the Dogs but he didn't want a bar of them either. As much as everyone is blowing up Carlton's tyres at the moment 4 of their 5 wins have come against sides below them including the bottom 3.
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Why didnt Chris Judd even consider the tiges ?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ = VISY
If Judd was after success he would've chosen Hawthorn, Geelong or the Dogs but he didn't want a bar of them either. As much as everyone is blowing up Carlton's tyres at the moment 4 of their 5 wins have come against sides below them including the bottom 3.
he went for money but that aside i believe he wouldn't have come to punt road.
the blues at least have a winning culture. something we do not and that is sadly a fact!!
im not saying that because they beat port, give me a break, i am saying that because they will win a flag in the near future because they make the right decisions in recruiting and all footy departments.
you cant say MT we have recruited well with the likes of tambling, patto, meyer, Pettifer, schulz. all first round draft picks that wont get us the ultimate prize.
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They have beaten Collingwood and Port something we have not done well the Pies anyway this season and I don't think we'll beat Port in a few weeks. Regardless of the $$$$$ thrown at Judd and all the Tanking and such they are starting to reap the benefits of tanking and finishing bottom year in and year out. The future is looking brighter for them compared to us at this point in time. They are more balanced than us and have more youth who have played more games than us. Gibbs was great yesterday and so was Murphy in the last 10 mins taking that game by the scruff of the neck when the scores stagnated on 63-62 for about 10 mins. I can't think of anyone on our list at the moment who would have done that in that time of need.
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carlton are in better shape than us
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carlton are in better shape than us
Not if we tank and get 3 top 20 picks and change the coaching set up. I think we could climb well in 2009 if we can get more talent and we get a new no nonsense no bulldust coach.
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I know for a fact that David didnt want him at Richmond due to current staff there.
Which bulldusting journalist wrote that for you to read in the newspaper as a fact Jack?
Your are no star, that's for sure.
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Who are the best of our recruits from this period?
2003 - Foley - supergun from the rookie list.
2004- Pattison, Thursfield, Deledio and Tambling. Top quality ND picks who are performing well. Mcguane is still unproven, but worthy. Polo will be back and shows lots of go too. Morton is new to us and shows he is capable.
2005 - White - a PSD pick who is performing way above the ND guys from the same draft, and not just Richmond players
2006 - Edwards and Reiwoldt
2007 - Cotchin, what a debut and he is keeping it up so far.
The standouts would have to be Foley who fought his way up from the rookie list and earned state honours and White, a speculative PSD pick who excites us all when he gets the ball and bursts through the packs. The rest of these guys are expected to be doing well and are doing so.
Things don't look so bad with these guys in our team.
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Tambling?? If getting 15 touches per game on ball enough then I'll go hee. Cotchin is streets ahead of Richard in 4 games compared to Richard in his 4th season. Does not do enough. Will be an average player at best. Possible trade.
Edwards is classy but does not get enough of it and is a bit soft. Needs to kick clutch goals.
Riewoldt just needs more games into him. Will be ok
Lids although good needs to get out of the bad habit that has begun to creep into his game by chasing cheap kicks and racking up the stats. Although he was good on Sat and last week was staggered to find out he had 30 touches with possies that had very little impact.
Polo needs to get a game. Terry needs to play the kid. Fat lot of good he is to us running around at Coburg. Same applies for kids like Connors Rance Morton Jackson Hughes.
Whitey is no Foley but he has improved and his pace can be crucial just needs to believe further that he can be a part of the team and can succeed at this level.
Cotchin I agree all class.
McGuane is a project player. Don't know if the kid will make it. His kicking is a big deficiency. Would rather play him and find out whether he will make it or not than not to play him at all.
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he went for money but that aside i believe he wouldn't have come to punt road.
the blues at least have a winning culture. something we do not and that is sadly a fact!!
im not saying that because they beat port, give me a break, i am saying that because they will win a flag in the near future because they make the right decisions in recruiting and all footy departments.
How can anyone say a club that finished bottom 2 for the past 6 years straight bar one 10th including 3 spoons has a winning culture ???. The Blues should be finally improving after all the high priority picks they've had but the week before Geelong pumped them by 10 goals and 3 weeks ago they conceded the first 7 goals against Brisbane at the Dome. Let's see how they go in the final 7 rounds when they play 6 of the top 8 sides before believing all the hype.
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Just on some current top 8 clubs top 10 picks over the past 6 years.....
#4 2002 - Tim Walsh - Doggies
#4 2003 - Farren Ray - Doggies
#7 2003 - Kane Tenace - Geelong
#9 2003 - David Trotter - Roos
#8 2004 - John Meesen - Adelaide
#10 2004 - Chris Egan - Collingwood
#8 2002 - Luke Brennan - Hawthorn
#6 2005 - Beau Dowler - Hawthorn
All clubs make mistakes even with top 10 picks. It's your overall recruiting and development over many years that counts so you have talented youth continually coming through. The reason the club is finally putting money into these areas after neglecting them by spending the least amount of money of any AFL club.
Tambling?? If getting 15 touches per game on ball enough then I'll go hee. Cotchin is streets ahead of Richard in 4 games compared to Richard in his 4th season. Does not do enough. Will be an average player at best. Possible trade.
Edwards is classy but does not get enough of it and is a bit soft. Needs to kick clutch goals.
Riewoldt just needs more games into him. Will be ok
Lids although good needs to get out of the bad habit that has begun to creep into his game by chasing cheap kicks and racking up the stats. Although he was good on Sat and last week was staggered to find out he had 30 touches with possies that had very little impact.
Polo needs to get a game. Terry needs to play the kid. Fat lot of good he is to us running around at Coburg. Same applies for kids like Connors Rance Morton Jackson Hughes.
Whitey is no Foley but he has improved and his pace can be crucial just needs to believe further that he can be a part of the team and can succeed at this level.
Cotchin I agree all class.
McGuane is a project player. Don't know if the kid will make it. His kicking is a big deficiency. Would rather play him and find out whether he will make it or not than not to play him at all.
Richie is still only 21. Leon Davis was still being called duckeggs and a hack at Blingers age.
Polo's shoulders set him back longer than expected. He's only started over the last few weeks to come back into some good form at Coburg. A trainer also questioned his ticker earlier in the season :shh.
Agree with the rest. Edwards is 19 and needs to get stuck into the protein so he can play midfield where we want to eventually play him.
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he went for money but that aside i believe he wouldn't have come to punt road.
the blues at least have a winning culture. something we do not and that is sadly a fact!!
im not saying that because they beat port, give me a break, i am saying that because they will win a flag in the near future because they make the right decisions in recruiting and all footy departments.
How can anyone say a club that finished bottom 2 for the past 6 years straight bar one 10th including 3 spoons has a winning culture ???. The Blues should be finally improving after all the high priority picks they've had but the week before Geelong pumped them by 10 goals and 3 weeks ago they conceded the first 7 goals against Brisbane at the Dome. Let's see how they go in the final 7 rounds when they play 6 of the top 8 sides before believing all the hype.
record number of flags since their introduction and since 1981 has won 2 in that time (1987 and 1995).
how many times have they made the finals since 1983 and how many times have we.
we as a football club have a losing culture you have got to be blind not to see that MT.
2 finals in 25 years that is a LOSING CULTURE my friend
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I didnt have Patto rated at all and i was involved ::)
For what its worth, I actually spotted Polo,
Also, in my opinion Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time
so cloke is better than buddy?
Great. ;)
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I didnt have Patto rated at all and i was involved ::)
For what its worth, I actually spotted Polo,
Also, in my opinion Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time
so cloke is better than buddy?
Great. ;)
READ MY POST IMBECILE. I didnt say that. At the time Travis was a standout .
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Leon Davis was not a top 10 draft pick I don't think MT and personally he is a bit of a passenger. When the Pies get beat and the game is tight Leon may bob up with a goal or 2. Leon Davis has been pumped up by blokes like BT on MMM and the fact that he plays for Collingwood and is Indigenous. If we are going to use the Wallace excuse of Indigenous players take longer to develop and compare Richie to Leon then what excuses to those 2 boys have in comparison to Buddy Cyril Riolo, The Burgoynes, Aaron Davey, Adam Goodes, Andrew McCleod, Graeme Johncock, David Wirrpunda.
All boys made significant impact in their first few years. All boys are Aborigine. All boys were comfortable at this level from the moment they stepped in to this competition. What next we will make a Grand Final some day and Richo fails to trouble the statistician and we'll just console ourselves and say oh well Leon Davis didn't get a touch in his first Grand Final either.
Richie is just not up to it. We are merely perservering with him due to the fact Terry after the 04 draft went on and on publically about how we picked up the best credentialled kids and most wonderful kids who would lead us to glory some day and put the RFC back on the horizon for teams challenging for success. Same with Jordy to drop him would be an admittance of getting it all wrong. With the media sharpening their knives to stick in to Terry would you expect an admittance from him that Tambo has failed to come on or Jordan is no prize catch considering the psychology of what such a move will do. :thumbsup
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Leon Davis was not a top 10 draft pick I don't think MT and personally he is a bit of a passenger. When the Pies get beat and the game is tight Leon may bob up with a goal or 2. Leon Davis has been pumped up by blokes like BT on MMM and the fact that he plays for Collingwood and is Indigenous. If we are going to use the Wallace excuse of Indigenous players take longer to develop and compare Richie to Leon then what excuses to those 2 boys have in comparison to Buddy Cyril Riolo, The Burgoynes, Aaron Davey, Adam Goodes, Andrew McCleod, Graeme Johncock, David Wirrpunda.
All boys made significant impact in their first few years. All boys are Aborigine. All boys were comfortable at this level from the moment they stepped in to this competition. What next we will make a Grand Final some day and Richo fails to trouble the statistician and we'll just console ourselves and say oh well Leon Davis didn't get a touch in his first Grand Final either.
Richie is just not up to it. We are merely perservering with him due to the fact Terry after the 04 draft went on and on publically about how we picked up the best credentialled kids and most wonderful kids who would lead us to glory some day and put the RFC back on the horizon for teams challenging for success. Same with Jordy to drop him would be an admittance of getting it all wrong. With the media sharpening their knives to stick in to Terry would you expect an admittance from him that Tambo has failed to come on or Jordan is no prize catch considering the psychology of what such a move will do. :thumbsup
100% correct.
tambling, although 21 for me will never be a consistent performer, he doesn't seem up to it.
really apart from one game against the eagles has shown nothing to suggest he will break the game again.
i really believe the cotch in 4 games has shown more than tambling has in 4 years and yes HT 74 you are right in saying TW would never admit he got any recruiting decision wrong..could you imagine the uproar and thats why TW is for himself and Jordy will not get dropped this year.
You can all believe its not TW's fault this that but we are worse than where we started.
no forward line structure, no real game breakers. nothing. might as well start again IMO.
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I didnt have Patto rated at all and i was involved ::)
For what its worth, I actually spotted Polo,
Also, in my opinion Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time
so cloke is better than buddy?
Great. ;)
READ MY POST IMBECILE. I didnt say that. At the time Travis was a standout .
You said
Travis Cloke, was easily the best player in the draft.
Buddy was in the same draft,
So whay you are saying is that you rated Travis Cloke above buddy
No wonder you and becky got the ar@e ;)
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You can all believe its not TW's fault this that but we are worse than where we started.
no forward line structure, no real game breakers. nothing. might as well start again IMO.
Daniel, you can't seriously believe that. Worse than 2004 you think?
During the 'Slag Year' of 2004, we finished bottom of the ladder with an aging list!
We had no potential for improvement and no prospects for every making an attempt on the flag.
With our current list we have promise, hope and developing talent. That is a far cry from what we had before TW came on the scene. We now have a list filled with potential and players such as Cotchin, Lids, Foley, Thursfield and Kingy who are improving every game.
We are working towards something. There is a goal and vision.
Before TW began the rebuild all we had was a very average, aging list which was going no where.
Regardless of what you think of TW, we have improved on 2004.
Stripes
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blaisee - build a bridge - he must be doing your head in.
"Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time"
I don't think that's such an outrageous comment.
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he went for money but that aside i believe he wouldn't have come to punt road.
the blues at least have a winning culture. something we do not and that is sadly a fact!!
im not saying that because they beat port, give me a break, i am saying that because they will win a flag in the near future because they make the right decisions in recruiting and all footy departments.
How can anyone say a club that finished bottom 2 for the past 6 years straight bar one 10th including 3 spoons has a winning culture ???. The Blues should be finally improving after all the high priority picks they've had but the week before Geelong pumped them by 10 goals and 3 weeks ago they conceded the first 7 goals against Brisbane at the Dome. Let's see how they go in the final 7 rounds when they play 6 of the top 8 sides before believing all the hype.
record number of flags since their introduction and since 1981 has won 2 in that time (1987 and 1995).
how many times have they made the finals since 1983 and how many times have we.
we as a football club have a losing culture you have got to be blind not to see that MT.
2 finals in 25 years that is a LOSING CULTURE my friend
Who cares what they did last century. We had a winning culture once too and both clubs last finals appareance coincides with us beating them. 6 years down in the bottom 2 and the worst record win/loss ratio of any club including us in that time is a losing culture. Hype isn't a winning culture.
Btw how long is our club and its supporters going to harp on about "we've been crap for 25 years". WTF has the current crop of cubs got to do with what crap went before them - that's right NOTHING! How long are we going to continue to wear this self-imposed baggage as a ball and chain. What like over 100 years like St Kilda?! That's why we fail - because we keep telling ourselves we are failures. Any time something doesn't go right quickly enough or we take a backward step, out comes the "we've been crap for 25 years" or "we've been rebuilding for 25 years". It's like driving in the country and having little kids in the back seat yelling continuously "are we there yet?". That is the difference in culture b/w us and other clubs. Other clubs think they're god's gift to footy even when they are crap and don't look back. We still seem to have people who want to wallow in the past.
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blaisee - build a bridge - he must be doing your head in.
"Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time"
I don't think that's such an outrageous comment.
Thank you mjs.
Blaisee go and admit yourself to a mental hospital, hopefully internet isnt available for patients,
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blaisee - build a bridge - he must be doing your head in.
"Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time"
I don't think that's such an outrageous comment.
Thank you mjs.
Blaisee go and admit yourself to a mental hospital, hopefully internet isnt available for patients,
:jump
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I didnt have Patto rated at all and i was involved ::)
For what its worth, I actually spotted Polo,
Also, in my opinion Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time
so cloke is better than buddy?
Great. ;)
READ MY POST IMBECILE. I didnt say that. At the time Travis was a standout .
Well, if we're talking about at the time, I think everyone was looking at Deledio, not Cloke.
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Leon Davis was not a top 10 draft pick I don't think MT and personally he is a bit of a passenger. When the Pies get beat and the game is tight Leon may bob up with a goal or 2. Leon Davis has been pumped up by blokes like BT on MMM and the fact that he plays for Collingwood and is Indigenous. If we are going to use the Wallace excuse of Indigenous players take longer to develop and compare Richie to Leon then what excuses to those 2 boys have in comparison to Buddy Cyril Riolo, The Burgoynes, Aaron Davey, Adam Goodes, Andrew McCleod, Graeme Johncock, David Wirrpunda.
All boys made significant impact in their first few years. All boys are Aborigine. All boys were comfortable at this level from the moment they stepped in to this competition. What next we will make a Grand Final some day and Richo fails to trouble the statistician and we'll just console ourselves and say oh well Leon Davis didn't get a touch in his first Grand Final either.
Peter Burgoyne wasn't a quick bloomer IMO. Decent enough but he was inconsistent. He was played a lot as a forward pocket early on in his career and even cost Port its season in 2002 when he stuffed up a certain matchwinning goal slipping over in the goalsquare during a final. He would frustrate many a Port fan lol. He didn't become the superstar midfielder he became until their premiership year. His brother came on much quicker but of course it was easier for him walking into a top side unlike Peter did in 1999.
Aaron Davey didn't make his debut until he was 21.
Tambling wins slightly more of the ball than Johncock did in his 4th year. Mind you they play different positions too. Johncock's breakout year was his 5th in 2006.
I think you're underrating Davis this year. He's been consistent, played more in the midfield and he's had more disposals and kicked more goals than Dale Thomas who is classed as a champion by some on this forum lol.
I don't necessarily believe indigenous players take longer. Someone like Michael Long does though. Everyone is different and IMO it's easier for any young player to play and gain confidence in a top side where you're not expected to be the kingpin from day one than a bottom side. Most of the above examples walked into finals sides. As the cubs develop and subsequently the side improves then our next draftees will find it easier than our current cubs.
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Quentin Meyer. :wallywink
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I didnt have Patto rated at all and i was involved ::)
For what its worth, I actually spotted Polo,
Also, in my opinion Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time
so cloke is better than buddy?
Great. ;)
READ MY POST IMBECILE. I didnt say that. At the time Travis was a standout .
Well, if we're talking about at the time, I think everyone was looking at Deledio, not Cloke.
Cloke was father and son. All pies had to give was a round 3 ?
Was easily the pick of the Melbourne based under 18,s clubs.
I know who I would rather have now
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he went for money but that aside i believe he wouldn't have come to punt road.
the blues at least have a winning culture. something we do not and that is sadly a fact!!
im not saying that because they beat port, give me a break, i am saying that because they will win a flag in the near future because they make the right decisions in recruiting and all footy departments.
How can anyone say a club that finished bottom 2 for the past 6 years straight bar one 10th including 3 spoons has a winning culture ???. The Blues should be finally improving after all the high priority picks they've had but the week before Geelong pumped them by 10 goals and 3 weeks ago they conceded the first 7 goals against Brisbane at the Dome. Let's see how they go in the final 7 rounds when they play 6 of the top 8 sides before believing all the hype.
record number of flags since their introduction and since 1981 has won 2 in that time (1987 and 1995).
how many times have they made the finals since 1983 and how many times have we.
we as a football club have a losing culture you have got to be blind not to see that MT.
2 finals in 25 years that is a LOSING CULTURE my friend
Who cares what they did last century. We had a winning culture once too and both clubs last finals appareance coincides with us beating them. 6 years down in the bottom 2 and the worst record win/loss ratio of any club including us in that time is a losing culture. Hype isn't a winning culture.
Btw how long is our club and its supporters going to harp on about "we've been crap for 25 years". WTF has the current crop of cubs got to do with what crap went before them - that's right NOTHING! How long are we going to continue to wear this self-imposed baggage as a ball and chain. What like over 100 years like St Kilda?! That's why we fail - because we keep telling ourselves we are failures. Any time something doesn't go right quickly enough or we take a backward step, out comes the "we've been crap for 25 years" or "we've been rebuilding for 25 years". It's like driving in the country and having little kids in the back seat yelling continuously "are we there yet?". That is the difference in culture b/w us and other clubs. Other clubs think they're god's gift to footy even when they are crap and don't look back. We still seem to have people who want to wallow in the past.
thats nice MT but lets not forget that we are the ones who helped this club tick over 30 k members this year. We are the ones who have never deserted this club and never will. remember that!!
we will continue to harp on about it till our club stops making terrible recruiting decisions and we all know who im talking about.
lets talk about rebuilding shall we...rebuild with a dud like mcmahon wow that was a great choice wasn't it, and for that matter polak.
what has he done.
rfc members are negative because its these decisons which drive us up the wall. I have been very consistent about this trade from day one and any trade where we forego a high pick as we did here.
Miller what has he done-ooh thats right nothing. king, royal, mcrae how r these guys helping the kids develop.
they are rubbish and must go immediately
the only person in management who can and should high their head up high is steve wright for he has turned this club around financially
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I think you're underrating Davis this year. He's been consistent, played more in the midfield and he's had more disposals and kicked more goals than Dale Thomas who is classed as a champion by some on this forum lol.
Yes Dale Thomas shows the traits of a future champion & is proving himself every week, constantly runs through the centre kicking goals & setting them up, he breaks games open & peees on players like Deledio & Tambling & had 1 less year in the AFL, compared to possessions Deledio & Tambling get theirs easy from overuse stats where Thomas gathers his stats by getting the ball & carries it taking the game on, not to mention the screamers he takes & the flies he goes for every week
l be there watching him on Sunday again cause l aint wasting my effin time & money watching Richmond get thrashed with ugly football
on Davis he play little midfield & rests in the forward line of course he would kick more goals then Thomas, cause he plays on the wing & is told to drop back to help defend & then carries the ball forward & sets players like Davis up around CHF area or pocket if you notice thats where Davis zone is
Not like Deledio & Tambling standing there watching the backline get destroyed thinking its not thier job to defend & leave it to Newman, Kingy & McMahon ;D they dont even run hard to provide link ups in the zone their prop & start players & thats where we fail cause we too slow through them zones we handball to standing targets :rollin the the Footy show Lous handball board moves more than our players receiving
if Thomas does something special this weekend l let ya know
Pendlebury is another who has had a year less in the AFL & takes on big names every week & is playing with injuries this year & still rated highly in the footy community
l know who l would have in my side
l hope to see Deledio or Tambling matchup on Pendles next year watch who wins out, l bet its pendles hands down
l will state again Dale Thomas in only his 3rd season now will be a champion like James Hird :thumbsup
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Richmond biggest blunder comes in missing a tall in Simon Taylor ( Hawthorn ) who went pick 53 who is strong in the ruck, instead we got Dean Limbach who was a dud at pick 52 from the 2004 draft & never played a game & never will
Hawthorn draft scouts can go down in history as getting the best
Roughhead who was always going to be a AFL goalkicker
Franklin who had injuries as a youngster & has bad wings ( watch this space when injuries hit him)
Lewis my favorite, a hard mongrel player one of the best finds who taunts his opponants
Taylor talented bigman can play a few KP
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Richmond biggest blunder comes in missing a tall in Simon Taylor ( Hawthorn ) who went pick 53 who is strong in the ruck, instead we got Dean Limbach who was a dud at pick 52 from the 2004 draft & never played a game & never will
Hawthorn draft scouts can go down in history as getting the best
Roughhead who was always going to be a AFL goalkicker
Franklin who had injuries as a youngster & has bad wings ( watch this space when injuries hit him)
Lewis my favorite, a hard mongrel player one of the best finds who taunts his opponants
Taylor talented bigman can play a few KP
For all their brilliance in reluctantly taking Franklin, the Hawks have a few horror stories.
Dowler (missed Ryder)
Thorp (missed Selwood)
Murphy (missed Van Berlo)
Muston (missed Ibbotson)
Little (missed Egan)
Ellis (yes he's playing in the seniors, but they missed Pendlebury)
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blaisee - build a bridge - he must be doing your head in.
"Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time"
I don't think that's such an outrageous comment.
at what time?
The time of the draft?
I dont understand
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I didnt have Patto rated at all and i was involved ::)
For what its worth, I actually spotted Polo,
Also, in my opinion Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time
so cloke is better than buddy?
Great. ;)
READ MY POST IMBECILE. I didnt say that. At the time Travis was a standout .
Well, if we're talking about at the time, I think everyone was looking at Deledio, not Cloke.
so according to jack, even though lids and griffen were clearly the best two in the draft ( at any time of 2004), he rated cloke above them. Again, I repeat, no wonder he and becky got the ar@e
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I didnt have Patto rated at all and i was involved ::)
For what its worth, I actually spotted Polo,
Also, in my opinion Travis Cloke was easily the best player in that draft at the time
so cloke is better than buddy?
Great. ;)
READ MY POST IMBECILE. I didnt say that. At the time Travis was a standout .
Well, if we're talking about at the time, I think everyone was looking at Deledio, not Cloke.
Cloke was father and son. All pies had to give was a round 3 ?
Was easily the pick of the Melbourne based under 18,s clubs.I know who I would rather have now
You would prefer Cloke to Lids. Really?
I wouldnt
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Richmond biggest blunder comes in missing a tall in Simon Taylor ( Hawthorn ) who went pick 53 who is strong in the ruck, instead we got Dean Limbach who was a dud at pick 52 from the 2004 draft & never played a game & never will
Hawthorn draft scouts can go down in history as getting the best
Roughhead who was always going to be a AFL goalkicker
Franklin who had injuries as a youngster & has bad wings ( watch this space when injuries hit him)
Lewis my favorite, a hard mongrel player one of the best finds who taunts his opponants
Taylor talented bigman can play a few KP
For all their brilliance in reluctantly taking Franklin, the Hawks have a few horror stories.
Dowler (missed Ryder)
Thorp (missed Selwood)
Murphy (missed Van Berlo)
Muston (missed Ibbotson)
Little (missed Egan)
Ellis (yes he's playing in the seniors, but they missed Pendlebury)
its all irrelevant when u pick up a guy called buddy franklin
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OK I am new to this forum but have read for years , Iam very annoyed at how someone like this so called supporter tigermonk can abuse our players and say he is not going to watch the tiges . You are a disgrace and absolute disgrace AND I don't think you know anything about footy.
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So Jackstar Travis Cloke was your best pick from 2004 , well I watched his age group and others from u12's right through to 18 championships, what games wre you watching?
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Richmond biggest blunder comes in missing a tall in Simon Taylor ( Hawthorn ) who went pick 53 who is strong in the ruck, instead we got Dean Limbach who was a dud at pick 52 from the 2004 draft & never played a game & never will
Hawthorn draft scouts can go down in history as getting the best
Roughhead who was always going to be a AFL goalkicker
Franklin who had injuries as a youngster & has bad wings ( watch this space when injuries hit him)
Lewis my favorite, a hard mongrel player one of the best finds who taunts his opponants
Taylor talented bigman can play a few KP
For all their brilliance in reluctantly taking Franklin, the Hawks have a few horror stories.
Dowler (missed Ryder)
Thorp (missed Selwood)
Murphy (missed Van Berlo)
Muston (missed Ibbotson)
Little (missed Egan)
Ellis (yes he's playing in the seniors, but they missed Pendlebury)
Wayne wake up what drugs you taking
Hawthorn is on top of the ladder :lol they didnot miss out on nobody, they got exactly what they went after & its all clicked for them & they been playing well for a few seasons now
Collingwood got exactly what they wanted & its all clicked for them & l still rate them as the team to beat for this years flag, l also picked them last year but just missed out
Richmond got what they thought was great & it blew up in thier faces cause they get it wrong 80% of the time
Hence the players who never played or are always broken & the good ones we do have, have now got the Tiger-itis desease of bad skills & turnovers & forget football goes for 4 quarters & not the half games they giving us
we draft skinny small players & dont know how to develope them, Notice the drawn faces on the young team, thats not good developement
& to top it off we still play like before Walllace took over the club just got different players
Richmond should have drafted a tall KPP Backmen years ago & built around it, Wallace start the rebuild 3 years after he got to the club & drafted Kingleys, P. Bowden, Knobel, Hickmott, oh l cant go on its too stressful :lol
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Richmond biggest blunder comes in missing a tall in Simon Taylor ( Hawthorn ) who went pick 53 who is strong in the ruck, instead we got Dean Limbach who was a dud at pick 52 from the 2004 draft & never played a game & never will
Hawthorn draft scouts can go down in history as getting the best
Roughhead who was always going to be a AFL goalkicker
Franklin who had injuries as a youngster & has bad wings ( watch this space when injuries hit him)
Lewis my favorite, a hard mongrel player one of the best finds who taunts his opponants
Taylor talented bigman can play a few KP
For all their brilliance in reluctantly taking Franklin, the Hawks have a few horror stories.
Dowler (missed Ryder)
Thorp (missed Selwood)
Murphy (missed Van Berlo)
Muston (missed Ibbotson)
Little (missed Egan)
Ellis (yes he's playing in the seniors, but they missed Pendlebury)
its all irrelevant when u pick up a guy called buddy franklin
What i'm trying to say is that we have drafted ok, it's just because of our lack of quality players in the 24-28 age group, we basically need every draft pick to become a good player.
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its all irrelevant when u pick up a guy called buddy franklin
Good.
For consistency, I expect this from you in the near future:
"its all irrelevant when u pick up a guy called Trent Cotchin"
Looking forwarding to that time when I'm not reading your constant bellyaching about draft picks. :)
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hickmott? Jackstar lewis and lids ave 7 cont poss per game each thomas only 6 ,Richie also 6 How can you say our players only get cheap possession? Are you also then saying your 2 favourite players only pick up cheap possies? Incidently thomas averaging nearly 10 less possessions than lids ,does this mean he just isn't working hard enough(gut running). The grass always looks greener......... One other thing if you have played football ,which makes players appear better footballers ? playing in a top side or playing in a struggling side. From your knowledge is it easier to play well in a top side or a struggling side? West coast have shown that it is easier to play well in a top side.
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lol. dogged, you'll do yourself an injury arguing with them. Suggest you take note of Fishfinger's avatar and give up.
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lol. dogged, you'll do yourself an injury arguing with them. Suggest you take note of Fishfinger's avatar and give up.
;D dont worry l wont be wasting my breath with his reply :rollin
lol. As I have said before TM, you occasionally post something I agree with. World would be pretty boring if we all agreed all the time ;) Agreeing most of the time would be nice though. :lol
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hickmott? Jackstar lewis and lids ave 7 cont poss per game each thomas only 6 ,Richie also 6 How can you say our players only get cheap possession? Are you also then saying your 2 favourite players only pick up cheap possies? Incidently thomas averaging nearly 10 less possessions than lids ,does this mean he just isn't working hard enough(gut running). The grass always looks greener......... One other thing if you have played football ,which makes players appear better footballers ? playing in a top side or playing in a struggling side. From your knowledge is it easier to play well in a top side or a struggling side? West coast have shown that it is easier to play well in a top side.
any Richmond player should get alot more possessions than any other player at other clubs in the league
They suffer from overuse leather burns & dont do nothing with the ball, Takes Richmond 15 possies to get the ball to the centre square & take the opposition 1 carry & kick to score says alot for possession stats at Tigerland
Deledio gets 30 possies ?? how many are damaging l bet half of them go sideways & backwards when 1 kick would acheive better results
As l said Thomas collects & carries the ball, most of his stats are damaging, l know this cause l watch him every week, his one of my favorite players
get back on your chain :shh stop barking
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You haven't answered the question, you Skirt around it well with dribble. You are getting carried away with thomas' flashiness and the commentators overzealousness . I've watched thomas for a long time yes he is a good player but it would be much different for him in a weaker side. What knowledge do you base all this critiscism of our players what are your credentials,I must have missed them over the years,and remember it is YOU who is attacking the players
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I think you're underrating Davis this year. He's been consistent, played more in the midfield and he's had more disposals and kicked more goals than Dale Thomas who is classed as a champion by some on this forum lol.
Yes Dale Thomas shows the traits of a future champion & is proving himself every week, constantly runs through the centre kicking goals & setting them up, he breaks games open & peees on players like Deledio & Tambling & had 1 less year in the AFL, compared to possessions Deledio & Tambling get theirs easy from overuse stats where Thomas gathers his stats by getting the ball & carries it taking the game on, not to mention the screamers he takes & the flies he goes for every week
l be there watching him on Sunday again cause l aint wasting my effin time & money watching Richmond get thrashed with ugly football
on Davis he play little midfield & rests in the forward line of course he would kick more goals then Thomas, cause he plays on the wing & is told to drop back to help defend & then carries the ball forward & sets players like Davis up around CHF area or pocket if you notice thats where Davis zone is
Not like Deledio & Tambling standing there watching the backline get destroyed thinking its not thier job to defend & leave it to Newman, Kingy & McMahon ;D they dont even run hard to provide link ups in the zone their prop & start players & thats where we fail cause we too slow through them zones we handball to standing targets :rollin the the Footy show Lous handball board moves more than our players receiving
if Thomas does something special this weekend l let ya know
Pendlebury is another who has had a year less in the AFL & takes on big names every week & is playing with injuries this year & still rated highly in the footy community
l know who l would have in my side
l hope to see Deledio or Tambling matchup on Pendles next year watch who wins out, l bet its pendles hands down
l will state again Dale Thomas in only his 3rd season now will be a champion like James Hird :thumbsup
A champion like Hird? :rollin
Thomas is a frontrunner. Looks a star when the Pies are winning on the back of the hardwork of the Pies mids and half-backs yet goes missing when they lose. He hasn't kicked more than one goal against a top 8 side. The problem is the Pies get soft draws so they've only played four top 8 sides. Beating up bottom 8 sides doesn't make you premiership material ;).
Bris 15 disp. 1 goal Loss
North 16 disp. 0 goals Loss
Haw 15 disp. 0 goals Loss
Geel 18 disp. 1 goal Win (the party trick goal in junk time)
:rollin @ champion like Hird :rollin
You've been watching too many Collingwood games TM. You're starting to sound like one :wallywink.
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:rollin @ champion like Hird :rollin
I think he meant Heard (as in Bob).
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I think he meant Heard (as in Bob).
;D
Well TM will be happy then. He'll end up at Richmond ;D.
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Wears a similar mask. Just got longer hair.
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Geez looking back at 2003 it was a shocking year for the draft. In retrospect trading for Brown was a master stroke, very hard to pick many winners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_AFL_Draft
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Geez looking back at 2003 it was a shocking year for the draft. In retrospect trading for Brown was a master stroke, very hard to pick many winners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_AFL_Draft
Foley should have been a top pick. :cheers
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You've been watching too many Collingwood games TM. You're starting to sound like one :wallywink.
its far more entertaining watching good football compared to watching promised talked up ugly footy that comes out of Tigerland & all the rubbish talk coming from coaches & players about how they are going to get better but we have heard that year after year & the style & brand has not changed & the scoreboard, ladder, & percentage looks the same for this time of year so tell me where are the good points.
It will not be long before our good players will try getting to thier childhood clubs they barracked for & other clubs poach us for our talent with big dollars they have gathered over the years for being successful & playing finals
say what you like about Thomas but his a class footballer, l bet if he played for Richmond you would be saying different
l talk about footballers for what they are & bring to the game of football, & not the colours from clubs they wear
l do see alot of Collingwood & attend most of thier games cause unfortunately l have to pay the money for the memberships my family require but l can assure you its war come footy in the home when the 2 teams clash, l have no love for them shunks
l pride myself for going to the football to watch a game of football, not to go see my club win by 60 points but to win & win by playing a brand of football every spectator would enjoy or to lose & lose playing a good brand of football
if you think watching Richmond this year is any different to the last 10 years then your deluded & would be taking depression tablets to blind the real facts, maybe your spending too much time down there hanging off the fence ;D but keep going your training reports are excellent & tiger supporters like me enjoy them ;D
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oh forgot to add if anybody needs to call me tomorrow l be at the Skunks vs Carlscum cause l aint going to watch Richmond play ugly football & get rolled by Melbourne & Wallace starts blurting out excuses
The main reason now read carefully & understand this
as a supporter l refuse to go watch my club whose home ground is the MCG is forced by the AFL to play at another venue, l will not attend games in the draw like this l'm fully against these decisions to play clubs away from their home grounds
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OK I am new to this forum but have read for years , Iam very annoyed at how someone like this so called supporter tigermonk can abuse our players and say he is not going to watch the tiges . You are a disgrace and absolute disgrace AND I don't think you know anything about footy.
Yeah but we love him anyway.
:cuddles
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Collingwood play 18 games at their home ground so you're defecting to the right team as far as your stance about that goes, TM. :P
I don't think it's Richmond's fault.
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Collingwood play 18 games at their home ground so you're defecting to the right team as far as your stance about that goes, TM. :P
I don't think it's Richmond's fault.
;D not defecting mate just not watching till they play a brand that is watchable
footy time have a nice day fishy :thumbsup
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OK I am new to this forum but have read for years , Iam very annoyed at how someone like this so called supporter tigermonk can abuse our players and say he is not going to watch the tiges . You are a disgrace and absolute disgrace AND I don't think you know anything about footy.
Yeah but we love him anyway.
:cuddles
must of missed this post saying l know nothing about footy
moron haha chain yourself up you must be a brainless pitbull ;D
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moron haha chain yourself up you must be a brainless pitbull ;D
Sad that you chose to use a Pitbull to demonstrate your point TM. One of the most loyal, intelligent and maligned breeds of dog ever. I have owned them, my son has owned and bred them, and they suffer from gross misrepresentation in the sensationalist media - almost every dog attack is attributed to them and yet they are a very under represented breed in the general canine population. Did you know that Labradors are responsible for many, many more dog attacks each year than Pitbulls?
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Did you know that Labradors are responsible for many, many more dog attacks each year than Pitbulls?
The only attack our lab is any good at is "licking people too much".
But I hear what you say smokey.
Reports say Alaskan malamutes can be an aggressive breed but our Mal is the most placid thing you'd ever meet. Alaskan malamutes = the worst watch dog you could have ;D
We were always taught that any breed of dog can be aggresive, it is up to the owners to temper it correctly with proper training :thumbsup
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moron haha chain yourself up you must be a brainless pitbull ;D
Sad that you chose to use a Pitbull to demonstrate your point TM. One of the most loyal, intelligent and maligned breeds of dog ever. I have owned them, my son has owned and bred them, and they suffer from gross misrepresentation in the sensationalist media - almost every dog attack is attributed to them and yet they are a very under represented breed in the general canine population. Did you know that Labradors are responsible for many, many more dog attacks each year than Pitbulls?
;D my Richo is part Bully ;D :lol
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tell me fool what do you know about footy..... let me know your credentials to make so many critiscisms. I am quite happy to discuss my football experience with you. I'm tired of worthless drop kicks attacking players for what they think they know.These players all of them from all the sides deserve respect. Only FOOLS who have never played could say some of the ridiculous stuff that you do
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tell me fool what do you know about footy..... let me know your credentials to make so many critiscisms. I am quite happy to discuss my football experience with you. I'm tired of worthless drop kicks attacking players for what they think they know.These players all of them from all the sides deserve respect. Only FOOLS who have never played could say some of the ridiculous stuff that you do
;D l been down this path before, some here know me personaly, been involved in football for over 30 years playing & coaching & that newbie is all you need to know. If you dont like what l write then you know the drill, dont read what l write. l dont tell stuffwits my personal life
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moron haha chain yourself up you must be a brainless pitbull ;D
Sad that you chose to use a Pitbull to demonstrate your point TM. One of the most loyal, intelligent and maligned breeds of dog ever. I have owned them, my son has owned and bred them, and they suffer from gross misrepresentation in the sensationalist media - almost every dog attack is attributed to them and yet they are a very under represented breed in the general canine population. Did you know that Labradors are responsible for many, many more dog attacks each year than Pitbulls?
Would you like to see some photos of my grandaughters face? :banghead
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moron haha chain yourself up you must be a brainless pitbull ;D
Sad that you chose to use a Pitbull to demonstrate your point TM. One of the most loyal, intelligent and maligned breeds of dog ever. I have owned them, my son has owned and bred them, and they suffer from gross misrepresentation in the sensationalist media - almost every dog attack is attributed to them and yet they are a very under represented breed in the general canine population. Did you know that Labradors are responsible for many, many more dog attacks each year than Pitbulls?
Would you like to see some photos of my grandaughters face? :banghead
I don't want to take the thread OT Mopsy so I won't continue after this reply and I don't wish or need to see a photo. I don't doubt or deny that the breed is capable of inflicting serious damage or death but so are so many other breeds that don't get treated with anywhere near the same misrepresentation in the press. As WP so correctly stated, the problem is in the ownership, not the breed and I was only responding to TM's comment that they were brainless. I too have grandchildren, and would have them around my pitbulls anyday before a stranger's Labrador or Fox Terrier or German Shepherd. I know how my dogs have been reared and how they will react to any given situation. I never need or use a lead when I walk them, they will sit and stay on command (and frankly be quite bored) while a stranger walks past with a dog on a lead going off it's brain. They are not a breed that should be owned by anyone walking into a pet shop to buy a cute puppy but neither should they be banned. If your granddaughter was injured by a dog then I feel very, very sorry for her but please don't make the mistake of blaming the breed.
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moron haha chain yourself up you must be a brainless pitbull ;D
Did you know that Labradors are responsible for many, many more dog attacks each year than Pitbulls?
is that fair dinkum?
im real keen on a lab but my mrs is dead against any big dogs so she wouldn't like that information..
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moron haha chain yourself up you must be a brainless pitbull ;D
Did you know that Labradors are responsible for many, many more dog attacks each year than Pitbulls?
is that fair dinkum?
im real keen on a lab but my mrs is dead against any big dogs so she wouldn't like that information..
Yeah, true but put it in perspective. There are a lot more Labs around than many other breeds including Pitbulls so law of averages says they will figure in more attacks. It's all in the ownership and rearing and if you raise your dog in the right way for the right reasons then it will not give you a moments cause for concern, regardless of it's a big dog or small.
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Nice attempt at deflection monkey,only been around footy for 30 yrs have you lets hope you were a little more positive towards your team mates than what you are now. I'm only a socalled newbie on OER but I've got you covered well and truly with experience in footy at any level you would like to name. The reason i'm unfortunately replying to your post is I do not feel it is right to character assasinate ours or any of the other teams players, you do it regularly. I know what it takes to play AFL and feel it is a lack of character on your part along with some others to say what you do. Unfortunately in a public forum some readers may even believe what you say to be true that is why I believe their is a responsibility on your needed, but not shown.............I also don't take kindly to being called an effwhit, a fool perhaps because I believe in giving these players respect and Constructive critiscism but an effwhit sorry no,you're lucky I do NOT know who you are.
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oh forgot to add if anybody needs to call me tomorrow l be at the Skunks vs Carlscum
Good to see Daisy's 13 possies was another Hird-like effort TM ;D. (sorry couldn't resist ;) )