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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on March 13, 2008, 09:42:25 PM
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Lyon just said an ex-assistant coach of an AFL club will come on and admit his side last year tanked.
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Yeah, this is an article on another website at the moment:
DEVELOPING STORY…
Thursday, March 13th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
BY SHANE POTTER
Footyhead’s be sure to check back shortly for a story that is set to rock the football world after an AFL insider admitted to Footyhead’s own Craig Hutchison that his side tanked last season.
More on this developing story shortly.
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Kouta? :whistle
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Libba - Carlton 2007.
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Heavily qualified - only stating the obvious
ps - wonder if he still wants to work in the AFL :lol
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Just saying what everyone knew anyway.
Will never get another coaching job again.
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And he can't prove it so why bother.
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Nothing that we didn't already know. We all know it goes on. Libba is just claiming as assistant coach they in his opinion deliberately did dodgy things to make it hard to win.
One thing it does do is make fools of Demetriou and Anderson who claimed last year it teams don't tank.
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He's an attention seeking man but man its great that it was Carlton. :clapping
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The sad thing for me was that Krueger (idiot's mate) obviously was very happy to go to Carlton rather than us.
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Just saying what everyone knew anyway.
Will never get another coaching job again.
Is coaching Sunbury and get more $$$$ than his assistants role at Carlton last year.
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l been saying this for several years. his telling everyone cause it does happen in football & he wants the AFL to do something to stop it before the game is thrown into disaray but many just dont want to beleive it
Money is the most powerful thing & people will do almost anything for huge gain
(example) Liverpool the goal keeper Bruce Grobbelaar threw games for money just happens l follow them since before l followed the tigers as a kid
Libba had nothing to lose comming out saying what he did infact he might gain alot of money for his story & l think his a champion doing it cause there be people wanting to chop his balls off now
Richmond will be the next team exposed for tanking
Most players want the draft rules changed & Crawford saying the last 4 teams drawn from a hat says it all that the players dont want the tanking tag put on them
exactly what l posted last year the lower teams should be hat drawn for draft choices because of tanking
this will force the AFL to take action now, its opened a can of worms & wouldnot surprise me if legal action comes from it
but Carlton got what its always wanted by cheating in the past & its been punished but yet they still do it & if its proven surely their AFL licence should be revoked & a end to the scum club
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For those that didn't see the footy show here's links to what Libba said:
Liberatore, who was part of the Blues coaching staff during that time, told the Nine Network's AFL Footy Show that winning "wasn't the be all and end all" for the club during the final matches of the year.
Asked if he felt that constituted tanking, he said: "I would have to say yes."
http://news.theage.com.au/libba-accuses-blues-of-tanking/20080313-1zb6.html
Carlton's last match was dubbed the "Kreuzer Cup" after young ruckman Matthew Kreuzer, whom Carlton secured with its top pick. When asked if anybody had talked directly about tanking before the match, Liberatore said: "I never heard it, but I could feel it."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/afl-rocked-by-tank-claims/2008/03/13/1205126118754.html
Carlton are going to hold a press conference at noon today to respond to Libba's claims.
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Libba seems to be doing some soul cleansing, first the bulldogs, now carlton. Do you think he will now come out and tell the truth about the Knights incident?
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Libba seems to be doing some soul cleansing, first the bulldogs, now carlton. Do you think he will now come out and tell the truth about the Knights incident?
i think the next admission he makes will be about molesting young boys. ;D
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Libba seems to be doing some soul cleansing, first the bulldogs, now carlton. Do you think he will now come out and tell the truth about the Knights incident?
I thought he had already done that.
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The sad thing for me was that Krueger (idiot's mate) obviously was very happy to go to Carlton rather than us.
Where did you get that from? ???
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Libba seems to be doing some soul cleansing, first the bulldogs, now carlton. Do you think he will now come out and tell the truth about the Knights incident?
I thought he had already done that.
He has??? How did I miss that! :banghead Is there somewhere I can read about it?
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Well now the truth comes out as if we didn't know and yes that is Libba's opinion. What a bunch of **** holes, they should be stripped of next years draft picks and their first round picks this year as well as Judd should be stood down from playing for the year. This is out and out match fixing to gain benifit end of story. My opinion of our game has now changed......... for the worse.
They have just dragged Roo's over the coals for his off the cuff comments, they had better have a real good look at Carlton!! >:(
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Richmond will be the next team exposed for tanking
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how are we gonna be exposed. weve been poo for 25 years+ lol
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Richmond will be the next team exposed for tanking
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how are we gonna be exposed. weve been pooh for 25 years+ lol
There is no way we tanked, I watched the last game Carlton played against Melbourne (amongst many others they played for obvious reasons) and I was nearly sick. That game is the worst game I have seen in my life. Compare that with the last game we played we performed much better and really we did not have much to gain as we were already on the bottom.
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Richmond will be the next team exposed for tanking
If Richmond were tanking then they were doing it from Round 1. The thing that characterised our season in 2007 was the evenness of effort and consistency of failure, and by that I mean we were so predictable in that we would have teams on toast and then simply run out of legs. We lacked the physical maturity (strength and stamina) and experience to win those games and if 2007 was replayed in 2009 we would make the 8 quite easily with the same effort. We didn't tank - we just weren't physically good enough or experienced enough to win most games.
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Richmond will be the next team exposed for tanking
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how are we gonna be exposed. weve been pooh for 25 years+ lol
There is no way we tanked, I watched the last game Carlton played against Melbourne (amongst many others they played for obvious reasons) and I was nearly sick. That game is the worst game I have seen in my life. Compare that with the last game we played we performed much better and really we did not have much to gain as we were already on the bottom.
Haha yeah. Whitnall. Miss miss miss. Then someone didnt make the distance from 40m.
Was an embarrassment.
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The RFC could use this as part of the incentive to win this game. I know, I know, we should just win this game because we can or how good we are. But we could use parts of that interview with Libba to fuel a bit of the players fire before running out onto the ground, just a thought.
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The RFC could use this as part of the incentive to win this game. I know, I know, we should just win this game because we can or how good we are. But we could use parts of that interview with Libba to fuel a bit of the players fire before running out onto the ground, just a thought.
I hear what you're saying but if any Richmond player needed any more motivation than season 2007 then I would be very disappointed.
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Good to see John Elliot has come out and said Libber's comments are sour grapes. Now there's a man with integrity lol.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23373158-661,00.html
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The RFC could use this as part of the incentive to win this game. I know, I know, we should just win this game because we can or how good we are. But we could use parts of that interview with Libba to fuel a bit of the players fire before running out onto the ground, just a thought.
I hear what you're saying but if any Richmond player needed any more motivation than season 2007 then I would be very disappointed.
Yeah totally agree, I just thought it would give some of our softer players a bit of mongral before the game.
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Good to see John Elliot has come out and said Libber's comments are sour grapes. Now there's a man with integrity lol.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23373158-661,00.html
Gee he ought to talk, sour grapes, he has trees of them!! Sounds like he is trying to get back in the good books
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The sad thing for me was that Krueger (idiot's mate) obviously was very happy to go to Carlton rather than us.
Where did you get that from? ???
I saw Kruezer being interviewed on TV immediately after he was drafted and he said words to the effect that he was pleased that it had all worked out for him to go to Carlton. I can't remember the specific words but it revolved around there being some uncertainty and no guarantees but he was pleased it had come to pass. At the time my reaction was that he wanted to be there.
Most draftees are just happy to be drafted - he was different. But I guess that's just my opinion.
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The sad thing for me was that Krueger (idiot's mate) obviously was very happy to go to Carlton rather than us.
what rubbish
like he had a choice
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And Cotchin wanted to come to Punt Rd so I'm happy :thumbsup.
The only time I had suspicions we tanked last year was the final 5-10 minutes of the Saints game when we, despite having the run of the play for most of the quarter, out of nowhere started chipping it short back and forth in the backline which of course eventually made us turnover possession again and again. The difference to Carlton was though they tanking from round 10 ::).
As much as I hate Carlton most clubs have tanked by playing the kids and making convenient team selections and moves on gameday. The AFL won't do anything about these claims like most things as much as it would be hilarious is the bluebaggers got whacked again. The problem is the draft system where as we learnt the hard way punishes sides that consistently finish in 9th-11th limbo while rewarding teams that finish down the bottom. There should be a lottery system like in the NBA instead (but hold off any chance for a year ;D).
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"what rubbish"'
I beg your pardon? - As Tom would say take a chill pill and put your manners back in.
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as l said this is just the lid been taken off the can of worms
Tanking is the most discussed subject in the AFL in the last 6 months
there had been special meetings behind closed doors about it
remember it was Hutchy who contacted Libba not vice versa :lol
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as l said this is just the lid been taken off the can of worms
Tanking is the most discussed subject in the AFL in the last 6 months
there had been special meetings behind closed doors about it
remember it was Hutchy who contacted Libba not vice versa :lol
Agree the lid has been taken off TM but I reckon the AFL won't want to face it as it all comes back to their draft rules. Despite it being morally wrong and not being in the spirit of the game, there is no rule which says what team a coach can/cannot put on the field and what moves he can/cannot make during a game. Andy D and co. aren't ones for admitting they are wrong.
I notice also in the paper today Sugar said we didn't tank.
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Agree the lid has been taken off TM but I reckon the AFL won't want to face it as it all comes back to their draft rules. Despite it being morally wrong and not being in the spirit of the game, there is no rule which says what team a coach can/cannot put on the field and what moves he can/cannot make during a game. Andy D and co. aren't ones for admitting they are wrong.
And a very negative side-effect is that it means the various betting agencies are taking bets on a contest that, for want of a better term, is 'rigged'. In horse racing, if the stewards get a sniff of something not being allowed to run on its merits then they will generally move heaven and earth to find the truth and keep the contest as fair for all parties as possible. The sport probably wouldn't survive without it. Its a blight on our game's professionalism and spirit of fair play that through the deliberate ignorance and inaction of the games custodians they allow this situation to occur.
Poor form AFL - you know it's happening yet do nothing. >:( >:( >:(
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as l said this is just the lid been taken off the can of worms
Tanking is the most discussed subject in the AFL in the last 6 months
there had been special meetings behind closed doors about it
remember it was Hutchy who contacted Libba not vice versa :lol
Agree the lid has been taken off TM but I reckon the AFL won't want to face it as it all comes back to their draft rules. Despite it being morally wrong and not being in the spirit of the game, there is no rule which says what team a coach can/cannot put on the field and what moves he can/cannot make during a game. Andy D and co. aren't ones for admitting they are wrong.
I notice also in the paper today Sugar said we didn't tank.
Sugars comments :lol :lol
We cant win a game Sugar!
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Libba will meet with the AFL next week according to SEN.
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Thats correct MT the AFL in Demetriou & Anderson will turn a blind eye
its thier bad running of the AFL which has caused it to be in the situation it is today
$$$ covers the eyes who see it but willnot correct it because they are the people who say it never happened or is happening
l cannot justify his pay packet of around 1.4 million dollars per year
Anderson is the biggest smirking FW ever in the AFL & is in damage control
Smokey-58au the horse racing industry is just as bad the top guy was caught betting & had to resign recently.
l think anything that huge money is involved in has coruption, its the way the world revolves round these days
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Smokey-58au the horse racing industry is just as bad the top guy was caught betting & had to resign recently.
l think anything that huge money is involved in has coruption, its the way the world revolves round these days
Yes TM you are dead right about money and corruption but the difference is that Racing Victoria acted when it had the information - the silence and inaction from the AFL will be both deafening and damning.
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And a very negative side-effect is that it means the various betting agencies are taking bets on a contest that, for want of a better term, is 'rigged'. In horse racing, if the stewards get a sniff of something not being allowed to run on its merits then they will generally move heaven and earth to find the truth and keep the contest as fair for all parties as possible. The sport probably wouldn't survive without it. Its a blight on our game's professionalism and spirit of fair play that through the deliberate ignorance and inaction of the games custodians they allow this situation to occur.
Poor form AFL - you know it's happening yet do nothing. >:( >:( >:(
There would've been a number of people betting on Carlton's opponent to win each week in the second half of last year. It would've been better and safer than bank interest :P.
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There would've been a number of people betting on Carlton's opponent to win each week in the second half of last year. It would've been better and safer than bank interest :P.
Sadly that is both true and perverse at the same time. :-\
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as l said this is just the lid been taken off the can of worms
Tanking is the most discussed subject in the AFL in the last 6 months
there had been special meetings behind closed doors about it
remember it was Hutchy who contacted Libba not vice versa :lol
Agree the lid has been taken off TM but I reckon the AFL won't want to face it as it all comes back to their draft rules. Despite it being morally wrong and not being in the spirit of the game, there is no rule which says what team a coach can/cannot put on the field and what moves he can/cannot make during a game. Andy D and co. aren't ones for admitting they are wrong.
I notice also in the paper today Sugar said we didn't tank.
Sugars comments :lol :lol
We cant win a game Sugar!
when someone asks this guy a question he should respond " no comment"
he is not worthy to represent the richmond football club as a footballer
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Libba backflip on tank claims
Jackie Epstein and Tony Sheahan | March 16, 2008
TONY Liberatore will back away from his claims that Carlton tanked last season when the AFL meets with him this week.
And the former Blues assistant coach said he was not paid for The Footy Show interview, saying he spoke out because he wants the system to change.
"If they say to me, 'Do you think Carlton tanked?', I would say, 'I don't think they did'." Liberatore told SEN yesterday.
"We had something in vogue that we wanted to play the young kids no matter what. My understanding is if that might compromise a win or a loss that's their (the AFL's) direction.
"If there's anything suspicious or sinister it's certainly not from my behalf. If there's anything they need to talk to me about by all means.
"I do think it's a bit of a bugbear and I think the system's wrong and that's the main reason why I think we have to change it."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23381903-19742,00.html
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Either the Kneecappers have gone and paid Libba a visit to show him a presentation on their talents if he does not retract his comments or
he still believes he has not burned all his bridges and may coach within the AFL system someday.
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Either the Kneecappers have gone and paid Libba a visit to show him a presentation on their talents if he does not retract his comments or
he still believes he has not burned all his bridges and may coach within the AFL system someday.
Your first point most likely - probably in the form of potential legal action.
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The AFL and everyone says tanking doesn't exist ::)
So you can bet your life that if we're in line for a priority pick this season they'll change the rules and abolish it >:(
PS: Libba is a dill
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Either the Kneecappers have gone and paid Libba a visit to show him a presentation on their talents if he does not retract his comments or
he still believes he has not burned all his bridges and may coach within the AFL system someday.
The Carlton crew would have already sent Libba a message
it would have read
see how short you are well we can make you shorter ;D
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Just whipped this one up in photoshop as I thought it would be good for a laugh in this thread... Bloody Tankers!!! :lol
(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3853/carltontankersip8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Just whipped this one up in photoshop as I thought it would be good for a laugh in this thread... Bloody Tankers!!! :lol
;D
Iceberg dead ahead lol.
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Carlton say they didn't tank so it must be true according to Demetriou :whistle
Of Liberatore, Demetriou said: "If he's got a specific allegation that he can support, then we would look at it and, as I indicated the other day, I had Greg Swann on the phone at 7.30am absolutely saying they had nothing to hide.
"I heard Anthony Koutoufides refute it. You've got Greg Swann, the coach, and other people at Carlton refuting it.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23386357-19742,00.html
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no-one at the club would admit it cause it be the end of their AFL licence
can you imagine the storm it would create from punters & bookmakers
l beleive Libba surely he aint that stupid ( is he ??? )to make comments & not have any backup like recordings
he might be a adding to Underbelly :lol :lol even if he has proof :rollin
Carlscum are known for thier dirty cheating & the damage to the game that club has done & thier mongy supporters ;D
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The AFL and everyone says tanking doesn't exist ::)
So you can bet your life that if we're in line for a priority pick this season they'll change the rules and abolish it >:(
Priority picks are staying for at least this year ....
Priority picks to stay
17/03/2008 3:15:10 PM
Paul Gough
Sportal
The AFL's controversial priority pick system will remain unchanged for season 2008 despite the recent 'tanking' allegations levelled at Carlton from last season.
Both Carlton and Richmond will again be eligible for that prized priority pick before the first round of the draft if they fail to win more than four games this season.
Despite the recent controversy Demetriou said the system would not be changed in 2008.
"We debated it 18 months ago and we came up with a new system that rewarded teams over a two year period," he said on Monday.
"So it's certainly not on the agenda (to be changed or scrapped) for this year given that we don’t like changing things mid-season and we certainly don't like changing things after a year and a half."
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/priority-picks-to-stay-45040
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Does this make our first round match the "Natanui Cup"?
:cheers
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LOL 1965
I had to laugh at Eddie tonight saying Collingwood has never tanked :lol. Hmmm someone has forgotten the Pies being 4 goals up with 5 minutes to go against the Roos and losing to get Thomas and Pendlebury :whistle.
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AFL clears Blues of tanking claims
March 19, 2008
THE AFL has announced that Carlton has no case to answer regarding Tony Liberatore's tanking claims.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23402986-19742,00.html