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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Jacosh on March 30, 2008, 09:42:10 PM
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All i heard and saw against Nth was Richo against 3 or 4 all game. Yeah i agree that the centres need to look around more but at what? When the camera panned back during a marking contest there was no one else around presenting half the time. When it was kicked to Richo who is up against multiple players he would at least bring to ground with NO crumbers around. Correct me if im wrong but if Richo is drawing more than one defensive player to him then we should have spare forwards, so where are they? :banghead :banghead :banghead
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All i heard and saw against Nth was Richo against 3 or 4 all game. Yeah i agree that the centres need to look around more but at what? When the camera panned back during a marking contest there was no one else around presenting half the time. When it was kicked to Richo who is up against multiple players he would at least bring to ground with NO crumbers around. Correct me if im wrong but if Richo is drawing more than one defensive player to him then we should have spare forwards, so where are they? :banghead :banghead :banghead
Amen. :clapping
Almost the same as my post on BF.
We're on the same wavelength. :thumbsup
This is why we lost today.
This, and no match for Jones.
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this is what I posted on another thread ..highlighting the same thing
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=6807.msg93024#msg93024
Quote from: {X} on Today at 10:04:32 pm
richo has got to stop demanding the ball all the time, has to play smarter and that what i mean about team play
No see that's where we disagree.
I reckon he should keep demanding the ball, let the opposition send 3 to him and free up other options for us - they triple tag him we should use this to our advantage currently we don't.
He takes out 3 and our mids play a bit smarter and fire the ball off to say Lids, Brown or whoever else is there free and we get some cheap goals. Then when they (the opposition) finally wise up and start manning up we then get Richo one on one in a contested situation he is likely to either take the mark or get to the ground - crumber lurking ...
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Same old bad habits. Blame our soft lazy mids who won't run. North has more players up and down at every marking contest.
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Our "Forward Line Structure" is "The Massive" problem! Our set ups creates leads to pockets near the 50 metre line. North Melbourne played a 2 man, man on man forward line which was open space. We had 4 men in the 50. Where and How The F***, can out players lead up the ground instead of the pockets.
I look at each forward line before each bounce. we had 4 men around the goal-square and 30 metres in a rectangle shape. North Melbourne had 3 men which would have two push back to the goal-square and the other push up leaving 30-40 metres of space. Thats how Jones got space and his goals. North Melbourne played a 2 man deep forward line with plenty of space.
Look how many times they had a one on one in front of goal. Grant (That push in the back moment which wasn't paid, but life goes on) Thompson twice (who floated to take marks with no pressure, just an awareness of space he had) Jones (3 goals from leading) Matt Campbell twice (crumbing goals, had space to run and use his speed)
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Jade Rawlings should be SACKED or we should get another Forward Coach. "I" believe that it is still the players, so i point my finger at the players. Though having a former AFL player who played most of his career in the backline as our forward coach hasn't worked.
We are still very DUMB!
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Especially when Richo has up to 5 opponents on him. Where are our others forwards then?
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Was it in Wallace first year? Commentators were talking about Terry's Triangle. That seemed to work for our fwd line. The old less is more scenario, Now we seem to be playing more inside the 50 at the bounce and leading out towards the pockets. Are we just overcrowding our fwd line. Seeing how hard and fast both Richo and Sarge can lead why not just have those 2 and 1 or 2 crumbers feeding off them. At least when Richo is going up against multiple players he brings it to ground for a crumber who can either have a shot or at least try and hook up another "spare" fwd.
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Richmond forward line is a laughable rabble
players chasing for possession instead of playing a forward attack/defensive role & not maning up :lol
leaving Richo to combat a army of Kangaroo defenders is a farce. :lol too see it several times was a disgrace to supporters paying to watch it RFC should sack the forward coach today :thumbsup
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I look at each forward line before each bounce. we had 4 men around the goal-square and 30 metres in a rectangle shape.
Hawthorn has Buddy's box and it works for them. If your midfield supplies decent footy then a forward line will work. We got pumped in the contested footy and clearances on Sunday so we were forced wide as North controlled the corridor. Even when we did mark inside 50 it was usually close to the boundary because North deliberately allowed us to lead into these less dangerous areas on the ground. Brady Rawlings admitted that after the game. When we did try to cut back inside the final kick usually ended up landing 40m out from goal which is easy to defend against instead of at the top of the square because we couldn't get the ball in fast and deep enough to put pressure on the North defence. Add to that many of our mids went into lazy self-preservation mode and wouldn't run forward in case they got burnt on the way back by their North opponent.
We are still very DUMB!
Agree there.
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After today's performance by our forward line slow is the word that comes to mind. We smashed the Pies in the centre clearances today yet the ball came back out of our forward line faster than if we had instead a brick wall 30m out from goal. No defensive pressure to lock the ball inside 50 from our forwards whatsoever. 5 minutes into the first quarter you knew we were in big trouble.
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was only able to watch up till quater time? but one stat that reallyy stood out was marks inside 50 Collingwood 7? to richmond 0. No way can we win a game if we cant get a mark inside 50. Again Richo was getting multiple opponents and no-one in our team seemd free, yet when one of our backs helped out on either Rocka or Cloke then the skunks were able to spot up a free man. When going into our 50 how much of this is pressure form the opposition and how much is lack of vision from our players.
King as a forward player was one to watch always damaging, as a coach is he being allowed to apply his skills and knowledge if so he needs replacing ASAP or is Wallace to insecure to admit that his assistant has more skill than him in any area?
Richo plays his arse of every game but isnt what id call a smart player. If he was hed use the multiple tags to draw defence out of the area to set up a team mate wih an easy mark and set shot at goal. IMO he needs to be dropped for a week or two that would allow us time to shake things up a little. we are much more unpredictable without him there.
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was only able to watch up till quater time? but one stat that reallyy stood out was marks inside 50 Collingwood 7? to richmond 0. No way can we win a game if we cant get a mark inside 50. Again Richo was getting multiple opponents and no-one in our team seemd free, yet when one of our backs helped out on either Rocka or Cloke then the skunks were able to spot up a free man. When going into our 50 how much of this is pressure form the opposition and how much is lack of vision from our players.
King as a forward player was one to watch always damaging, as a coach is he being allowed to apply his skills and knowledge if so he needs replacing ASAP or is Wallace to insecure to admit that his assistant has more skill than him in any area?
Richo plays his behind of every game but isnt what id call a smart player. If he was hed use the multiple tags to draw defence out of the area to set up a team mate wih an easy mark and set shot at goal. IMO he needs to be dropped for a week or two that would allow us time to shake things up a little. we are much more unpredictable without him there.
Dont blame Richo for yesterday, the ball was not comming to him cause they were stuffing around with it in the backline & turning it over shockingly
Richo was contesting all day & there was no small crumbers, in fact no-one at all in Tiger colours but 2 Skunk players preasuring Richo most of the game
many times there was only 1 Tiger player in the forward 50 & when moving forward the players had no-one to kick it long too
Terry Wallace & the coaching staff are the blame for this not Richo. Take Richo out of that team & we will get flogged, Wallace purely got it wrong by omitting the player Hughes instead of dropping the real culprits in Brown, & McMahon,
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I will cop it for this but I am sick of people saying you cant blame richo for this, effort that, has yellow and black in his blood the other. We all know these things about the big guy but his time has gone. He is a turn over machine and if I was the likes of Newan and Foley and King I would be so peeed off. I see some of these blokes work their butt of to get it up there and when they get it to him what happens most of the time. A TURN OVER. Be it from a poor decision, a skill error, a bomb that he kicks up (he cant hit a target), a bad kick (missed shot on goal) or silly free it just happens so many times. Its been 15 years guys and yes he puts in every game, but its time to move on. We will not win with him there and thats a FACT.
Blast away guys but I have had enough.
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::) BANG BANG you just got shot fluffy rabbit ;D
l can tell you Richo was very let down in the forward line yesterday
he does all the hard work making the contest against several defenders flying with him yet no-one is at his feet collecting the ball when it hits the ground, so his still got 1 defender fending him off for his second effort while the other one clears the ball
Forward coach is where the blame lays :banghead
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richo deflates the team with his pathetic skill level and brain made of mush. he would not get a game elsewhere with his pathetic skills and lack of understandingthe modern game
the only thing richo is still good at is choking and stuffing up
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::) BANG BANG you just got shot fluffy rabbit ;D
l can tell you Richo was very let down in the forward line yesterday
he does all the hard work making the contest against several defenders flying with him yet no-one is at his feet collecting the ball when it hits the ground, so his still got 1 defender fending him off for his second effort while the other one clears the ball
Forward coach is where the blame lays :banghead
richo let the team down, missed easy scoring opportunites again whwn it counted and also had some neautifil deliveries lace out and kept dropping and fumbling marks, then stmble over and let pie nathan brown run off him
richo is laughable
hey monk , ur boy tiv played very well lol
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As much as I would hate to watch that game again I wish I had recorded it. I would love to document everytime he got the ball and the result. I would love to be proven wrong but I would say that 50% of the time he got it it resulted in a turn over or a point. Just becasue he puts in a effort to get to and make contests dont mean he playing winning football. Effort is great but I am looking for results. Time for the new breed and I said on this board when they signed him for two more years it was a mistake. New breed, new plan, lets see what the future holds please.
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i have said it b4
richo is 100% effort = 0 reward
he is a liability and a joke
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I think Tigermonk is right about not blaming Richo for our loss against either the Roos or Woods. He had no support, be they tall forwards or most importantly crumbers, and was allowed to be triple teamed when the ball was bombed into him from near the centre line.
Our midfielders are as much to blame as our coaches though. Thye just couldn't break the lines and the opposition midfielders and half forwards did exactly to us what I hoped we would do to them and that is to cut off the space between the centre circle and F50 arch. Without being able to move into this are we were forced to bomb it and could not spear it onto a lead. We also couldn't get a clear shot at goal.
I also liked Jackstars idea in retrospect about tagging the Shaws. This would have clogged up their run from the back half and through the centre.
What I do agree with you abour fluffytiger (besides our taste in women ;)) is Richos future. He gives his all and has eyes only for the ball but he doesn't know how to work with other forwards to create space, block out their defenders, dummy lead or pull out of a contest to allow a team mate a better chance of getting the ball.
For the best chance of a strong Forward Team we need our young forwards to learn how to work together to create goals. We need a good spread of goal kickers and we need an unpredictable collection of targets to choose from.
Richo bleeds yellow and black but for our best chance of future success we need a change.
Stripes
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I think Tigermonk is right about not blaming Richo for our loss against either the Roos or Woods. He had no support, be they tall forwards or most importantly crumbers, and was allowed to be triple teamed when the ball was bombed into him from near the centre line.
Our midfielders are as much to blame as our coaches though. Thye just couldn't break the lines and the opposition midfielders and half forwards did exactly to us what I hoped we would do to them and that is to cut off the space between the centre circle and F50 arch. Without being able to move into this are we were forced to bomb it and could not spear it onto a lead. We also couldn't get a clear shot at goal.
I also liked Jackstars idea in retrospect about tagging the Shaws. This would have clogged up their run from the back half and through the centre.
What I do agree with you abour fluffytiger (besides our taste in women ;)) is Richos future. He gives his all and has eyes only for the ball but he doesn't know how to work with other forwards to create space, block out their defenders, dummy lead or pull out of a contest to allow a team mate a better chance of getting the ball.
For the best chance of a strong Forward Team we need our young forwards to learn how to work together to create goals. We need a good spread of goal kickers and we need an unpredictable collection of targets to choose from.
Richo bleeds yellow and black but for our best chance of future success we need a change.
Stripes
I would never blame Richo for the loss, it took a lot of poor players to produce such a result. I can how ever say that that the current foward line structure and the delivery to that structure sucks. Why is that so, well I believe the big guy is a huge part of it. He demands the ball but when it gets to him it a waste more times than not. With the way teams can spin the ball up the other side so fast everytime he turns it over or we try to kick to him in when out numbered or he misses a goal, well those things result in goals to the opp. The coaching over that 15 years also must take some of the blame for this. But the guy plays the way he does and I believe he is basicly uncoachable nowdays.
I would love to see our new forwards there. I want to see your future not our 15 years of loosing past.
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hey monk , ur boy tiv played very well lol
;D :thumbsup knew you bring that one up ;D seen him get some nice passes off to tell you the truth things were getting a little blurry in the box we made pigs of ourselves :thumbsup l aint watched the replay yet might just do that now
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l also want to see our future at the helm of the forward line Fluffy Tiger
l have wanted change for a longtime. What l been talking about Richo is that his not to blame, he had no support the last few weeks
he demands the ball cause his the only one at many times of the game in the 50 metre arc
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l also want to see our future at the helm of the forward line Fluffy Tiger
l have wanted change for a longtime. What l been talking about Richo is that his not to blame, he had no support the last few weeks
he demands the ball cause his the only one at many times of the game in the 50 metre arc
Im not saying Richo is soley to blame for the loss as our whole team/game plan was under pressure right from the start, This post however is about the fwd line, and ours hasnt changed in a dozen years or so and is easily stopped on most occassions.I honestly think it would do us good to see Richo dropped for a few weeks.
1st, It will make the other forwards HAVE to step up and make themselves more accountable.
2nd The mid feild will HAVE to start lifting their eyes and not simply look for the big fella bomming it to him allowing 2-3 opposition players to spoil him and tag him out of the contest.
3rd our rucks should be doing more to help around the area as well, thinking back to when we were in contention for finals we had rucks that would move fwd and help out (Ottens, Stafford, Gale, Etc).
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simple answer is to play Richo down field on the wing or HFF & play through him with a small player at his feet & then rest him at FF.
This would cause teams great concern because we have other options then to use the corridor or other wing, There is no way in this world l would drop a ball magnet like Richo his got the best hands & great kick on the move why on earth would you drop a player who can gather 10-15 marks at times & can kick long goals, why you think he runs down the field to help out often getting the ball because everyone down the back are stuffing it up turning it over & using the wrong option
Richo is too good a player to think of droping, otherwise coaches would have done it long ago if he was the problem.
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Finally someone talking sense!!! :clapping
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Lets see how good a player Richo is when we stop mucking around with the ball at HB and get into the fwd 50 quickly.
Richo in a 1 on 1 contest will win it 9 times out of 10
Takes us forever to move the ball from HB. Giving plenty of time for opponents to flood back and man up.
Richo is not to blame. Its our ball movement and rebound footy.
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simple answer is to play Richo down field on the wing or HFF & play through him with a small player at his feet & then rest him at FF.
This would cause teams great concern because we have other options then to use the corridor or other wing, There is no way in this world l would drop a ball magnet like Richo his got the best hands & great kick on the move why on earth would you drop a player who can gather 10-15 marks at times & can kick long goals, why you think he runs down the field to help out often getting the ball because everyone down the back are stuffing it up turning it over & using the wrong option
Richo is too good a player to think of droping, otherwise coaches would have done it long ago if he was the problem.
We have a winner!
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i have said it b4
richo is 100% effort = 0 reward
he is a liability and a joke
{X} what did you think of him today ????????????????????/
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simple answer is to play Richo down field on the wing or HFF & play through him with a small player at his feet & then rest him at FF.
This would cause teams great concern because we have other options then to use the corridor or other wing, There is no way in this world l would drop a ball magnet like Richo his got the best hands & great kick on the move why on earth would you drop a player who can gather 10-15 marks at times & can kick long goals, why you think he runs down the field to help out often getting the ball because everyone down the back are stuffing it up turning it over & using the wrong option
Richo is too good a player to think of droping, otherwise coaches would have done it long ago if he was the problem.
l would say that you all read this post again it explains what happened with Richo today
is Wallat reading what l write ??? na surely not its just that times have started to change for RFC
its great to see a different game plan & also strengthens my idea Richo serves us better in a greater role down the ground while the cubs are breed playing senior football now bring on Cleve Hughes
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simple answer is to play Richo down field on the wing or HFF & play through him with a small player at his feet & then rest him at FF.
This would cause teams great concern because we have other options then to use the corridor or other wing, There is no way in this world l would drop a ball magnet like Richo his got the best hands & great kick on the move why on earth would you drop a player who can gather 10-15 marks at times & can kick long goals, why you think he runs down the field to help out often getting the ball because everyone down the back are stuffing it up turning it over & using the wrong option
Richo is too good a player to think of droping, otherwise coaches would have done it long ago if he was the problem.
We have a winner!
& the winner is Richmond our football club :thumbsup ;D :clapping & my sad mates in WA that will transfer thier money this week into my bank account as will sportsbet for my crazy betting :lol :lol :thumbsup
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Polak's goalkicking is iffy but he was very good today otherwise. He presented the option that allowed Richo to be freed up further up the ground and he marked nearly everything in sight that came his way.
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Like many others, I have been harping on about how we need Richo playing up the ground and using his speed, motor and marking ability to expose the opposition while also giving more space in the forwardline and making us far less predictable.
It worked beautifully and I believe it would work just as well on the MCG. I'm not sure how it would work on the smaller grounds though but I hope we get to see it tried.
Great game Richo! :clapping
Stripes
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Confidence is the key now, as long as the players keep their heads after a win & Wallet moves the side around alot more so that it confuses other sides Polak with them big hands will be a winner if his kicking goals & gets his confidence up
l'm concerned Johnson cant kick 45 metres at present but this could be his last year which gives Cotchin a huge task ahead
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Like many others, I have been harping on about how we need Richo playing up the ground and using his speed, motor and marking ability to expose the opposition while also giving more space in the forwardline and making us far less predictable.
It worked beautifully and I believe it would work just as well on the MCG. I'm not sure how it would work on the smaller grounds though but I hope we get to see it tried.
Great game Richo! :clapping
Stripes
smaller grounds would be better for him as his engine would last longer & see more ground time
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:clapping :clapping :clapping Congratulations to RFC today and also special congratulations to Terry Wallet for some very clever rotations which completely threw the Fremantle pre game plan. Richo on the wing is something as other people have said was long overdue, other rotations in the forward line worked a treat and we actually looked dangerous every time the ball came into the 50 metre zone. On a negative i would just like to say that we need a new goalkicking coach if indeed we have one. Graham Polak was abysmal with his kicking today, his marking was sensational and if he was to learn how to kick straight there is no reason he couldnt average 3-4 goals per game. Why does he constantly look for passing options while he is coming in to shoot goal? I think someone needs to take him aside and maybe provide Richo type instructions and that is when he takes a mark inside 50 to settle and just fully focus on kicking the goal. By rights we should of killed off Fremantle by half time if our goal kicking was up to scratch. Anyway hate to end on a negative so would like to wrap up with a big positive and that was the form of young Tambo, he has taken on alot of criticism of late for his lack of participation but today i think was an important milestone in his career, big pat on the back, great to see, keep it up :clapping
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Polak should be put at CHF & left there with Cleve Hughes taking the FF position
Cleve would have to play against the dogs after his efforts
with polak l would adopt a quick kick from the centre bouce at times with the midfielders feeding off him running into goals, using him to break the pattern heading into goals & also from the halfback attack to forward 50
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Like many others, I have been harping on about how we need Richo playing up the ground and using his speed, motor and marking ability to expose the opposition while also giving more space in the forwardline and making us far less predictable.
It worked beautifully and I believe it would work just as well on the MCG. I'm not sure how it would work on the smaller grounds though but I hope we get to see it tried.
Great game Richo! :clapping
Stripes
smaller grounds would be better for him as his engine would last longer & see more ground time
Harder to run opponents off though!
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you put him there to be used from attacking back 50 into the forward then lay off midfielders like Tambling & Foley even Hyde who can get long goals just use him to mark the ball & kick the odd goals within 40m
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Just keep the opposition guessing.
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:clapping :bow :thumbsup :clapping
What a comeback from the game against Collingwood, i had many people telling me over the last week that they liked Richmond soley because they made tipping easy, well i bet they are all :banghead now. Ok so i was wrong about dropping Richo (big enough man to admit when im wrong), although he was moved out of the forward line which mixed things up. White, taking on players time after time just needs to settle a little more when having the shot i think. Polak, Great hands poor kicking what more is there to say. Edwards goal in the last quater which resulted from multiple efforts. Tambling, Foley, Hyde, Delidio, etc all chipped in with goals but more importently they not only got the ball in thick and fast, they helped hold it in when it came to ground something that has been missing over the last few weeks and what prompted this post. :woohoo :congrats