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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 13, 2008, 03:19:31 AM
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Time for Tigers of old to return
Caroline Wilson | April 13, 2008
THE popular myth about Richmond during its most recent golden era was that a trapdoor lay in the centre of Graeme Richmond's office and those who fell into the black hole beneath it were never to return.
The sad truth about Tigerland now in its current decrepit state is that good people leave the club disenchanted or otherwise, kick major scores at other clubs and throughout the industry and still never return.
Richmond has no former player on its board, its match committee or its coaching staff. No club in the AFL has been so blatantly shunned by its own. It seems a club almost bereft of culture. Another reminder of that came six days ago when Cameron Schwab announced he would step down as Fremantle's chief executive to return home to be closer to his family. Remarkably, it is 20 years since the then 24-year-old Schwab was appointed CEO of Richmond.
Schwab's father Alan was an architect of that golden era and although Cameron did not succeed in his time as CEO, he leaves Fremantle — $8 million in debt when he joined — with $5 million in the bank, albeit without a premiership.
If the younger Schwab has an enduring passion it is to return to the club — at which he grew up — to rebuild it. He will no doubt watch today's Dockers-Tigers clash with mixed feelings.
Schwab's ambition is not necessarily immediate but perhaps it should be. He is friendly with player manager Daniel Richardson (the son of former Richmond premiership hero-turned-coach-turned-president Barry) who, in turn, is close friends with another successful sports administrator in four-time premiership ruckman Michael Green's son, Christopher.
Imagine if that trio joined forces with, say, Neil Balme and Brendon Gale — who is said to be doing so well as CEO of the players' union that a senior AFL role reportedly beckons — who in turn managed to recruit a trio of former Tigers now well-regarded in assistant coaching ranks such as Wayne Campbell, Chris Bond and Ashley Prescott, to take over the club?
Perhaps Schwab's worst task during his time at Richmond was sacking Kevin Bartlett, the most famous example of a legend at odds with his club. Now Bartlett is a media commentator whose knowledge is so well regarded that he sits on the AFL Hall of Fame, All-Australian and Rising Star selection committees as well as the laws of the game board. Only last year, after 16 years, did he return to attend a club function and even that was one run by the past players.
Brett Ratten pushed and was moderately successful at putting some of the Carlton he knew and loved back into Carlton. If Ratten had his way you get the feeling the entire 1995 premiership team would be back at the club in some form or another.
Not Richmond. Not only has the club failed to lure one former player onto its board since Tony Jewell departed four seasons ago but Terry Wallace's assistant coaches and match committee consist of not one individual with an ounce of Tiger blood. No AFL club bar the Tigers has not one former player at any level.
Prescott resisted overtures to return to Punt Road but jumped at the chance to join Matthew Knights at Essendon, while Bond, whom Richmond has attempted to lure back several times, chose to move to Fremantle. Campbell works at the Western Bulldogs.
The subtle but passionate attempt to lure Kevin Sheedy back to Richmond began this time last year. A group of powerful former Tigers did not want Sheedy as coach but as an executive president. The symbolism, they felt, would have been as powerful as the reality and the reality is that the club appears to have no heart. Only a couple of board members make a genuine contribution. The rest should think seriously about stepping down at the end of the year. President Gary March, at least, genuinely loves the club but is heavily committed and has adopted a "softly softly" approach to fixing Richmond's damaged culture. More is required.
Greg Miller, the North Melbourne shareholder, must step down as a director. Now in his sixth year at the club, the man who largely engineered two North Melbourne premierships must be seen to have officially failed at Tigerland. The club is worse off than when he joined and he did so with the express purpose of leading the club to its 11th premiership.
Just over a year ago Miller sat with Wallace and helped explain why the club could not expect genuine success until 2011. What an indictment on Miller. It is said he spread himself too thinly but no one asked Miller to work outside the club, and devote himself to other worthy but non-Richmond-related causes.
Early draft picks at the end of 2004 have been proven inferior but won the PR battle for the Casey-Miller ticket as did Wallace, the popular choice as coach.
I have less issue with Wallace's performance and believe the club would be crazy to sack him before the end of his five-year term.
Wallace is a good coach, strong on tactics, innovation and salesmanship but not necessarily known for talent in developing young players. The shortcomings should have been dealt with much earlier and Miller should have seen that.
Steven Wright, the Richmond CEO, has done a more than reasonable job when you consider the club's dreadful financial position when he took over. But his only football claim is that he is a passionate Tiger and so he has never interfered with the football operations, when perhaps others would have.
Richmond supporters bled last year as they watched the positive influence Balme had on Geelong and coach Mark Thompson in his debut season at Kardinia Park. For 25 years they cheered but bled as Sheedy became one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game. Perhaps Knights will cause them heartache as well.
Too many Tigers have left the club, disenchanted but carrying an intangible passion for Richmond. Too many have never returned.
The club has lost a generation of barrackers but the true believers remain. Thank heavens for the past players group, and thank heavens for Matthew Richardson. It is time for the good servants of Tigerland — and their offspring — to join forces and return. It is also time for some others to cut their losses and leave.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/time-for-tigers-of-old-to-return/2008/04/12/1207856925933.html?page=fullpage
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But Caro it was your "Richmond people" who got the club in the mess it is now in the first place and most of those former players you mention were part of the individualistic and losing culture that has plagued us for the past 25 mediocre years.
To have a go at Steve Wright as only a "passionate Richmond supporter" is a cheap shot. He's done more for his club than any those bozzo 'Richmond true believers' you support Caro and he's trying to fix their 25 year mess they left behind ::).
Hey Caro, why don't you ever include 'daddy' in your history lessons? I mean who was the president who let our 4 time premiership coach walk out never to return in an offical footy dept or admin capacity ::). Who was the president who allowed 3 club champions and captains to walk out in one summer and now we watch one of their KP sons star for a different club ::). And who was president in 1985 when the club made a loss roughly equal to 50% of its revenue at the time ($1.5m) that would be equivalent now to the club losing $14m in a single year. Over 20 years later and the current CEO is still trying to fix the legacy of that disaster ::). LOL at the nerve of having a go at Steve Wright :rollin.
Too many Tigers have left the club, disenchanted but carrying an intangible passion for Richmond. Too many have never returned.
Most of the those names too left the club well before the current regime came into existence so what's that got to do with now. So much passion for Richmond yet such a bunch of sooks after all these years when the people responsible for their initial spat are long gone. How many times did Sheeds play us for fools to get another contract at Essendon. Sorry Caro but what a load of crap! If they cared they would be back but they really don't. All talk no action - a bit like the club itself over the past quarter of a century.
The club has lost a generation of barrackers but the true believers remain. Thank heavens for the past players group, and thank heavens for Matthew Richardson. It is time for the good servants of Tigerland — and their offspring — to join forces and return. It is also time for some others to cut their losses and leave.
Thank heavens for the average supporter/member in the outer :thumbsup who has kept this club alive via their hard earned and their bums on seats despite the egotistical tossers on the inside and around the periphery thinking the club is their personal political plaything to throw into mayhem at any whim.
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I actually agree with Caro.
Seems she has done a bit of ""turn around""
The facts about Sheedy being at the club is this.
before the Wallace appointment, Sheedy was to come to Punt road, except for Miller not informing the board , its common knowledge sheedy doesnt like Miller and vice versa,.
Its also true the ex Richmond people and players wont go anywhere near the club while Miller and Wallace are there.
Dont ask me who as I will not tell you but there are many influential ex players and supporters who will rerturn to Punt road to enure the club is going in the right direction.
I asked a certain ex player yesterday who voted on the last election ,would he of voted differently if the election was now, he said certainily.
MT, its no secret I am friends with many ex players who have offered to help the current regime but have bascially told to ""pee off"" Whether there help was to be the runner, team manager etc etc.
Tell me something, why is Duncan Kellway for example at Geelong ?
Why have quality people like Chris Naish gone and done different roles at other clubs as support roles etc.
You tell me ?
Caro is 100% correct.
Terry and Miller have surrounded themselves with YES men to protect there own backsides.
I think that the regular catch ups between Miller , Wallet and Caro could be a thing of the past.
Whats really amazes me how political people in the footy industry are , and how they will drop off people so quick
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Not 100% Jack.
1. She insinuates through the whole article that Steven Wright should be replaced. She says he should be more involved with football operations. I disagree. The whole reason we have a head of football operations is for that reason and it is at that level that we are failing and need change. Wright has done a good job to date and should be supported, not undermined by people like Caro.
2. Her bias comes out way too much. She is blaming all our failures purely on the football administration side of things and yet says the coach must see all 5 years through. Sorry, but the blame lies equally in both areas and it is in both areas we need change and it must happen at the end of this season.
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I asked a certain ex player yesterday who voted on the last election ,would he of voted differently if the election was now, he said certainily.
Ahh old man rainsey hey :thumbsup
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Ha, yeah, was funny seeing Geoff and Andrew standing together. Although someone should tell Andrew not to wear those stupid skinny jeans.
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I do think they should get the past players back in some capacity at Richmond. Get the old Tigers blood flowing.
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Ha, yeah, was funny seeing Geoff and Andrew standing together. Although someone should tell Andrew not to wear those stupid skinny jeans.
Did you get a look at his shoes?
It looked like he stole them from a homeless person :lol
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I think more players should be given a history lesson on the tigers before they play. Then they will know more about the whole Tiger history and tyhen I think they will play with a little more passion rather than play for money and fame.
But I do still think that it would be a good idea to bring back some of the old players to. We need something and these new players of old are making it look a little of a shame that they used this term.
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Ha, yeah, was funny seeing Geoff and Andrew standing together. Although someone should tell Andrew not to wear those stupid skinny jeans.
Did you get a look at his shoes?
It looked like he stole them from a homeless person :lol
Yeah, can't even afford shoe laces!
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I agree with most parts of the article but not all of it. Wright has done a good job, if he can organise the Craigieburn deal to include some gaming then that will be a great legacy for him.
Anyone who misses the 12pm talkback today is a dill.
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I asked a certain ex player yesterday who voted on the last election ,would he of voted differently if the election was now, he said certainily.
Ahh old man rainsey hey :thumbsup
There were 5 ex players at coburg yesterday., take your pick
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maybe rarro is saying tht wright should show more balls re terry and miller and put them in their place. sure he has done a great job, but he seems a soft nice guy. we want a guy who can get the job done as he has but also be hard and ruthless
carro is spot on, but she seems softer on wallace and pretty much saying miller ef ups at trade drafting and recruiting is the reason why terry isnt coaching successfully.
i say ef them all and lets start again, lets not waste 2 more seasons with these morons, that is miller and wallace. i say keep wright but he has to get tougher
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I asked a certain ex player yesterday who voted on the last election ,would he of voted differently if the election was now, he said certainily.
Ahh old man rainsey hey :thumbsup
There were 5 ex players at coburg yesterday., take your pick
and i bet all cant stand teh current ppl at tigerland
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I asked a certain ex player yesterday who voted on the last election ,would he of voted differently if the election was now, he said certainily.
Ahh old man rainsey hey :thumbsup
There were 5 ex players at coburg yesterday., take your pick
and i bet all cant stand teh current ppl at tigerland
Correct X :thumbsup
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Maybe Wright felt that Miller could handle Football with Wallace, its quite obvious that that hasnt worked. Wright could have taken the course of action he did if he had someone like Neil Balme as Football Operations Manager, wherever Balme has gone, success has followed. He should be at Richmond. Anyway its time for change at Punt Rd. The entire football department needs to be turned over.
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This debate about ex players of the past 2 decades returning is an absolute joke. They were no good then and did jack shitzen as players. They should NOT be allowed to return to the club in any capacity in my opinion.
Those who think that getting blokes like Chris Naish and Duncan Kellaway back to Tigerland is somehow going to inspire some sort of huge lift from the players are kidding themselves!!!!
I think at the end of the day you hire a coach who has the respect of the playing group and draft the right players. Its as simple as that. You also dont keep players who constantly fail at the top level i.e Tivendale, JON, even dare I say Richo (we will never win a premiership while he is playing) and I love the bloke. In 08 he should be playing off the bench and allowing a new structure to settle.
But back to coaching and match committee. Miller needs to walk, Wallace should see out his contract unless we can get Sheeds with a young mentor in place like Hardwick who has an agreement in place to transition in say 3 years time to ensure things go smoothly and there is no blood letting.
In saying this I am not writing of 2008 just yet, If we can win today we are 2-2 and back in it. The Geelong game is the only game we cannot win in the next few weeks if we win today. Confidence is a wonderful thing.
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why is the Geelong game not winable thats rubbish. Any team is beatable in any game regardless of who they are.
Caro has been writing alot lately cause she knows the s h i t is about to hit the fan in a few more rounds. ;D
MT great peice about her father who helped crash the club & was busy making sure he got paid while the club was losing money. :thumbsup
l know why Caro is writing about wanting ex players coming back to the club ;D : cause she knows there are a few who are about to get the ass after this season cause Gary although being very quite is infact stoking the fire & is heating his hot poker cause his already talking to replacements of many positions & even that Stevie is doing a good job, he be off to venture in other buisness as his job is done
one other thing is l'm astounded how many Richmond listed players are playing Coburg 2nds is a sign Miller really got it wrong. Cya Greg back to North you go & King going with you :lol
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Caro should not be writing anything on Richmond. EVER with regards to financial mismanagement, list management. Why? Totally agree with the posters who refer to her forgotten years of mention, the final 3 years of her father's presidency at Punt Rd and the litany of mistakes he made. Jack Dyer once said to him "I hope you public school poofter don't stuff up my footy club". Well he did his best to get that off to a best possible start in 1983. Caro should be the last person to write about the tigers after her family connection to the club. She should also get off the high moral ground and actually start writing genuine pieces of sports journalism as she did years ago rather than writing sensationalist tripe on the Tigers that ultimately is crap.
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Caro should not be writing anything on Richmond. EVER with regards to financial mismanagement, list management. Why? Totally agree with the posters who refer to her forgotten years of mention, the final 3 years of her father's presidency at Punt Rd and the litany of mistakes he made. Jack Dyer once said to him "I hope you public school poofter don't stuff up my footy club". Well he did his best to get that off to a best possible start in 1983. Caro should be the last person to write about the tigers after her family connection to the club. She should also get off the high moral ground and actually start writing genuine pieces of sports journalism as she did years ago rather than writing sensationalist tripe on the Tigers that ultimately is crap.
Not really a Caro fan but why condemn her for the ills of her father.
There are a few of us who would not be happy to judged on the actions of our forebears.
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She keeps writing articles on how slack we are as a club how we have failed on and off field for so long. Her father contributed to that yet she makes no reference to that. It is "slightly hypocritical". Its not condemning her it is merely a question that she has never answered and in her position she should at least recognise it. Why is her fathers presidency in the last few years not worthy of any reference? Does she want us to suppress that and no reference perhaps suggests a reason for us to conveniently forget her fathers ills? The crap all started with him under his presiding.
As for ppl not happy to be judged by actions of their forbears I understand how they would feel but I would certainly not carry on passing the buck to someone else and neglecting to mention my forbears ills as if it never occurred nor would I be happy to convict and slaughter subsequent administrations and position of public authority to condemn them whilst conveniently forgetting the Sins of the Father. Isn't moving forward a form of forgiving of past admins accepting what has hapenned and moving on? Obviously not in Caro's case. Caro's articles are beyond a joke. Hypocritical to say the least!!!!!!!!
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She keeps writing articles on how slack we are as a club how we have failed on and off field for so long. Her father contributed to that yet she makes no reference to that. It is "slightly hypocritical". Its not condemning her it is merely a question that she has never answered and in her position she should at least recognise it. Why is her fathers presidency in the last few years not worthy of any reference? Does she want us to suppress that and no reference perhaps suggests a reason for us to conveniently forget her fathers ills? The crap all started with him under his presiding.
As for ppl not happy to be judged by actions of their forbears I understand how they would feel but I would certainly not carry on passing the buck to someone else and neglecting to mention my forbears ills as if it never occurred nor would I be happy to convict and slaughter subsequent administrations and position of public authority to condemn them whilst conveniently forgetting the Sins of the Father. Isn't moving forward a form of forgiving of past admins accepting what has hapenned and moving on? Obviously not in Caro's case. Caro's articles are beyond a joke. Hypocritical to say the least!!!!!!!!
love it! :thumbsup
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:thumbsup HT74
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What the article indicates is that things arent right at Punt Road, actually far from it, as a lot of posters here would agree on. Whether Caro is right or wrong is irrelevant I think, but it does re enforce there is a problem
If people think that things are ok, they have there head in the sand.
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Whether Caro is right or wrong is irrelevant I think, but it does re enforce there is a problem
Obviously.....there is a problem Jak. :lol
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Move along people, no problems at tigerland
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What you talkin about barbrady, sit down and shutup .....
:rollin
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She keeps writing articles on how slack we are as a club how we have failed on and off field for so long. Her father contributed to that yet she makes no reference to that. It is "slightly hypocritical". Its not condemning her it is merely a question that she has never answered and in her position she should at least recognise it. Why is her fathers presidency in the last few years not worthy of any reference? Does she want us to suppress that and no reference perhaps suggests a reason for us to conveniently forget her fathers ills? The crap all started with him under his presiding.
As for ppl not happy to be judged by actions of their forbears I understand how they would feel but I would certainly not carry on passing the buck to someone else and neglecting to mention my forbears ills as if it never occurred nor would I be happy to convict and slaughter subsequent administrations and position of public authority to condemn them whilst conveniently forgetting the Sins of the Father. Isn't moving forward a form of forgiving of past admins accepting what has hapenned and moving on? Obviously not in Caro's case. Caro's articles are beyond a joke. Hypocritical to say the least!!!!!!!!
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Ian Wilson was last president in 1985, 23 years ago.
History surely.
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What the article indicates is that things arent right at Punt Road, actually far from it, as a lot of posters here would agree on. Whether Caro is right or wrong is irrelevant I think, but it does re enforce there is a problem
If people think that things are ok, they have there head in the sand.
But Caro isn't pointing the finger at Wallace unlike others in the media. It's more Miller (fair enough), Steve Wright (cheap shot by Caro) and the board that she is having a go at. She's still bitter over the 2004 elections.
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Caro thanks but no thanks :wallywink
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Caro's "tigers of old" stuffed Richmond up in the 80's and 90's.
We have moved on with an astute CEO and President doing great jobs getting the Tigers back on the right track.
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I actually agree with Caro.
Seems she has done a bit of ""turn around""
Well last week you were telling us that she, Wallace and Miller regularly had coffee together. While other people were telling you that Caro cannot stand Miller
Struth with coffe friends like that Miller sure doesn't need enemies ::)
She's appears to be off on one of her we need more Richmond people back at Richmond mantras again.
She carries on about there being no Richmond people back invovled at the Club in the Footy Dept. Hello Caro: Dale Weightman - remember him ??? He works at the Club in the footy dept no less and from what I can recall he was a Captain of the Club, won a few B&Fs. I think these are what we commonly call FACTS - Caro - get 'em straight please
ANd how convienent that Caro doesn't even bother to mention that we have former players mentoring our current list. Caro here's a couple of names for you .... Francis Bourke, Mike Green, idiot Clay... RFC champions I believe... like me to go on ??? No probably not because again these are FACTS which clearly don't suit your mantra this week
And as for taking a cheap pot shot at Steven Wright - Caro you have absolutely no idea
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You might find the "'mentoring"" program isnt running as smooth as people think. ;)
Actually, no I wont say a word. Not worth it
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You might find the "'mentoring"" program isnt running as smooth as people think. ;)
Actually, no I wont say a word. Not worth it
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::) ::) :lol
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Glad you didn't say a word Jackie lol
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;) :gotigers
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Tiges played well today didn't they, Jackie
Terry coached well also - you wanna start the "Well Done Terry" thread or should I ;D
Round 12 you reckon :wallywink
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;) :gotigers
Tiges played well today didn't they, Jackie
Terry coached well also - you wanna start the "Well Done Terry" thread or should I ;D
Round 12 you reckon :wallywink
Hold on a tick, one game isnt going to save him.
And blind man freddie knows that Richo should of been played high :banghead :banghead
Might add the opposition were pitafull. If we have problems, Freo is just as bad ,even worse.
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Might add the opposition were pitafull. If we have problems, Freo is just as bad ,even worse.
Now there's a headline...... Will Harvey see out the season ;D
Actually he has Freo playing the way Sheeds had Essendon playing the last few years - no new kids, not very direct and very very slow :rollin :rollin
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Might add the opposition were pitafull. If we have problems, Freo is just as bad ,even worse.
Now there's a headline...... Will Harvey see out the season ;D
Actually he has Freo playing the way Sheeds had Essendon playing the last few years - no new kids, not very direct and very very slow :rollin :rollin
Would think the recuiting of Bradley and Johnston were a bad move for Harvs. would think his team played with little spirit today, actually they were disgraceful
I dont know about the new kids thing, Sheeds blooded about 7 last year, how many did wallet ?? :banghead :banghead :banghead
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I dont know about the new kids thing, Sheeds blooded about 7 last year, how many did wallet ?? :banghead :banghead :banghead
Jack seriously... with Sheeds it was in one week out the next
It is pretty clear that Knight's is giving the kids the opportunity to play consecutive matches. I mean seeing some of the kids running around for the Bombers at the moment makes you wonder why Sheeds didn't give them more game time. The 2008 Bombers are quick, the 2007 Bombers were slow slow slow. And now Harvey is following the Sheeds philosophy of relying on older players and it will cost him.
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Most of the Essendon youngsters playing this year played last year.
Would agree, Harvey could have a short career
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Might add the opposition were pitafull. If we have problems, Freo is just as bad ,even worse.
Now there's a headline...... Will Harvey see out the season ;D
Actually he has Freo playing the way Sheeds had Essendon playing the last few years - no new kids, not very direct and very very slow :rollin :rollin
Would think the recuiting of Bradley and Johnston were a bad move for Harvs. would think his team played with little spirit today, actually they were disgraceful
I dont know about the new kids thing, Sheeds blooded about 7 last year, how many did wallet ?? :banghead :banghead :banghead
Tiges - Polak, King, Edwards, riewoldt, Connors, Graham
Bombers - Mal Michael :lol, Camporeale :lol Davey, Houli, Jetta, Gumbleton, Reimer, Hislop, Neagle, Hocking
Last three got about a game each - hardly blooding.
I'd say they were on a par.
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She carries on about there being no Richmond people back invovled at the Club in the Footy Dept. Hello Caro: Dale Weightman - remember him ??? He works at the Club in the footy dept no less and from what I can recall he was a Captain of the Club, won a few B&Fs. I think these are what we commonly call FACTS - Caro - get 'em straight please
And Flea's at every training session ;). He's there more than Wallace ;D.
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old Flea l admire that great footballer
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People like Barry Rowlings and Merv Keane should also be at the club in some capacity IMHO.
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David King and Caro crossed swords on 3aw
* Good to have a win especially as we were under pressure but that's the nature of the business we are in. It would've pleased all richmond supporters including you Caro.
* Caro asked about Archer and BT's criticisms - re: selfishness?
King doesn't like those comments as they are too general. If you've got something to say mention names or come over to the club and say it.
* Caro said supporters weren't too disappointed after the North game as North were just too good but the Pies game and Terry's match-ups upset supporters. King said as a richmond supporter you should expect to come to games and see the boys have a dip and give 100% win or lose so Caro took that as agreement.
* King got stuck into Caro about her article on the lack of Richmond people because on Footy Classified she criticised Ratten for having too many Carlton people. Caro still said there's no Richmond people on the coaching staff apart from acknowledging Terry did play briefly for a year.
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People like Barry Rowlings and Merv Keane should also be at the club in some capacity IMHO.
Merv Keane was involved with recruiting for at least 3 years, but went to Essendon in 2007. Dont think he and Miller see eye to eye :shh
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Caro still said there's no Richmond people on the coaching staff
Someone please tell Caro Flea is down at every training session.
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Caro still said there's no Richmond people on the coaching staff
Someone please tell Caro Flea is down at every training session.
Flea is just there.
I know where Caro is coming from here
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Flea is just there.
Well he's there and is involved with the cubs unlike Caro's sooky la la coterie mates :whistle.
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Francis Jackson? Neville Crowe?
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Francis Jackson? Neville Crowe?
Caro means match days coaches etc . Not recruiting or Coteries groups.
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Francis Jackson? Neville Crowe?
Caro means match days coaches etc . Not recruiting or Coteries groups.
Pretty sure she talked about no ex-player on the board, match committee or coaching panel. Also pretty sure she mentions Cameron Schwab, Daniel Richardson, Christopher Green, Brendan Gale etc, none of whom in a potential football role so my take on the article is that she was referring to the club as a whole and as with many of Caro's articles, she can be light on in facts to present the perception she wants.
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Caro also specifically said "ex players" and then highlighted Cameron Schwab. I've had a look but can't find any record of Cameron Schwab (nor Dan Richardson and Chis Green) having ever played for the club.
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Caro also specifically said "ex players" and then highlighted Cameron Schwab. I've had a look but can't find any record of Cameron Schwab (nor Dan Richardson and Chis Green) having ever played for the club.
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Caro also specifically said "ex players" and then highlighted Cameron Schwab. I've had a look but can't find any record of Cameron Schwab (nor Dan Richardson and Chis Green) having ever played for the club.
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See TM, we can agree! :thumbsup :)