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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Go Richo 12 on April 27, 2008, 07:18:27 PM
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We had no right to win that tonight, half the scoring shots, crucial errors that result in goals and small backline. However, i`m excited. We`ve finally got what one could a great future, imo. Richo bog for mind and Sugar not far away. Like Jack Reiwoldt and Morton is the best recycled player we`ve added to the list beside Browny. Brave effort tonight :clapping
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I feel very positive after that game, but at the same time I think it highlights just how far we have to go to become a true premiership contender. I am in awe of the Hawks general play, pressure and strength.
If I was a Hawthorn supporter, I would have to shoot myself. lol. No I mean if I was a Hawthorn supporter I would be very happy.
A good lesson for the boys made to look better by poor kicking by the Hawks. I am happy to say that some of that poor kicking was help by pressure from us.
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Honorable loss to a top 4 side.
Umpiring inconsistent and ordinary with all the inside 50 frees to the mayblooms.
Thought the run & carry game style tonight was positive, however the ratio of kicks to handballs needs to be addressed with more kicking to position and open space required to clear the contested area's and open up the zone.
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we had every right to win, we were very unlucky, we many times were not rewarded for our effort and the umpires shat in our faces all night
sure they had lots of shots at goal, many many of them low percentage ones , and they kicked a few arsey goals also.
we busted our butts and did not let them intimidate us, and moore did a gr8 jon on duddy
i think its time to throw hyde bag to coburg , white also and maybe rest edwards and let him get some confidence back.
i would also put deledio on notice, tell him, take the game and players on with ur pace or off to coburg
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I was happy with out endeavour and ability to win hard footy etc. Most players busted their buts tonight and i was happy from that regard.
I was unhappy with our style of play tonight though. We constantly went sideways and played the members side of the ground far too often. This wouls have been instructed by the coaching staff.
All in all, it wasnt a bad result could have been alot worse. The young kids are going along well and its goos to see Browny do some nice things. He is getting his MOJO back.
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Ur kidding right, X? Firstly, Hyde was tagging Bateman all night, and completely shut him out of the game...Bateman usually provides great drive, tonight did nothing. Secondly, Lids had 30 possies, kicked a goal and had 5 tackles. He did the hard work inside, in the packs, farming it out to Foley etc...I think that this is prob more valuable than the flashy stuff, where he might only get 18 odd possessions.
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browny is getting his mojo back that is for sure
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we had every right to win, we were very unlucky, we many times were not rewarded for our effort and the umpires shat in our faces all night
sure they had lots of shots at goal, many many of them low percentage ones , and they kicked a few behindy goals also.
we busted our butts and did not let them intimidate us, and moore did a gr8 jon on duddy
i think its time to throw hyde bag to coburg , white also and maybe rest edwards and let him get some confidence back.
i would also put deledio on notice, tell him, take the game and players on with ur pace or off to coburg
Bit stiff on Lids.
BOG last week, 30 touches tonight.
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I EXPECT MORE FROM DELEDIO
he has pace, yes he had heaps of the ball, but many times, he had a chance to run and didnt. he is alot faster than hodge brown osborne and mitchel, these were just 4 occasions he could have used his afterburnes but stopped propped and went backwards
deledio must look at foley and king and learn from them, at least blingers is now starting to back himself and take players on
lids has an asset in his pace, but its been 2 yrs now since we have really seen him expose opponents using it
he needs to believe in himself more, if it means off to coburg to get his confidence back in taking the game on , so be it
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I was happy with out endeavour and ability to win hard footy etc. Most players busted their buts tonight and i was happy from that regard.
I was unhappy with our style of play tonight though. We constantly went sideways and played the members side of the ground far too often. This wouls have been instructed by the coaching staff.
All in all, it wasnt a bad result could have been alot worse. The young kids are going along well and its goos to see Browny do some nice things. He is getting his MOJO back.
Agree TFL. Saved me from typing out the same thing :thumbsup.
Once again our start was ordinary. We were blown away early on after Richo got the first goal in the minute. The Hawks had the next 8 scoring shots and we had to put extra numbers behind the ball which meant we had to run the ball more to get it forward. That style got us back in the game and kept us in it by forcing the Hawks wide to have shots (bad kicking is bad footy anyway) but it really showed up our lack of class and how far behind we still are because we couldn't go 1-on-1 with them. A great effort and the boys tried their guts out but for us to improve we still need to dip strongly in the next 2 drafts.
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Finally back l could have ripped my F****** hair out whats left of it after that leather burnt game.
Our preasure had the hawks shiting themselves, but our over use of the ball turning it over when a kick was required tortured me watching l nearly came home early at one stage in the 2nd quarter
Jordan Mcmahon a disgrace >:( his a main offender of over use & passing to hot players, his spot in the side has to be seriouly thought about, he does not respect his opponant at all & we paid dearly all day. His not a very football smart man & Wallace was stuffing steaming at him
Richmond were the better side on the day & should have won, but when you got players like Mcmahon & Chris Newman being serious offenders of blunders & Newman over the last 3 weeks, please make some hard decisions & drop these players for continued stupid mistakes. Chris Hyde took Bateman to the cleaners which saw Bateman dragged & Wallace made the huge mistake of not dragging McMahon easlier than he did it truely cost us, which saw Kingy having to be taken off his man to go to Rioli who got too much room to move. Thursty didnot give Roughhead enough respect in the quarter, wtf is he thinking running off him at times.
Moore did a good job on Franklin who went to peices under preasure :lol he aint poo that Franklin when the preasure is on. Love to know what Kelvin was saying to him at times cause it affected him. Richoman a true Richmond champion, Tuck a great day putting the body on the line. Morton & Browny classic at times & Kingy well someone needs to chain him up his a wild little man.
Johnson well he really got the pee out of him cause his football is stepped up a level, l'm sure next week the players who could have given alot more will produce. They missed alot of goals due to nerves & the preasure they did not handle it very well & l seriously think we are just a few games behind them on par after our delayed rebuild. The signs are there l beleive if we had Bowden in there today we would have rolled the hawks because we lacked some experience that Bowden would have provided under the heat.
Overall l'm not sure what the last score was cause l didnot look at the scoreboard at game end but it would have been closer than anyone in the media would have given us credit for & l'm sure tomorrrows papers will say just were the Tigers are heading.
We will win games this years cause the writing is on the wall but we killed ourselves from to much handball & that game was ours to win
there will be some reports from this game & l'm sure McGlyn was brought in to do the dirty stuff
Umpire #10 is the biggest cheating bastard in the AFL.
l'm happy we give it a red hot go :clapping but we are 20 games off becomming a serious contender & weeding out the bad decision makers & players who continue to go backwards instead of going forward :banghead
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hey monk
thusty played on williams
mguane was on roughead who did benefit from bad umpiring
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btw
well done blingers, did a great job inside tonight and his 3rd q got us right in the game
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Loss but proud.
Gave it a red hot go.
Our intencity and pressure was there and that instance in the last quarter where the ball was in our half forward line in the last quarter and we could have had at least 4 or 5 holding the balls but the ump forgot to blow his whistle was just superb, and even though the ball spilt to the Hawks and they goaled I was so so proud of the lads.
Richard Tambling's third quarter was the best 25 mins of football he has played at this level IMHO. So so many positives.
Yes McMahon is set to become the supporters whipping boy to an extent after tonight.I just hope that Terry and the match commitee dont take a backward step and revert back to players of the ilk and character of Bowden, Pettifer and Tivendal now that we have terms of player development application committment in the last three weeks and going back to those type of blokes will only hinder this improvement.
We need to have faith in the kids now that Terry is giving them the opportunity.
After tonight I feel if we can make Connors Cotchin Rance regular weekly players and promote 1 or 2 other kids we will be in a good position come the years end to build for 2009 and beyond that. A good effort against a top 4 side and possibly a Grand Finalist. Very very proud Tiger.
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hey monk
thusty played on williams
mguane was on roughead who did benefit from bad umpiring
sorry got them mixed up :-[
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hey monk
thusty played on williams
mguane was on roughead who did benefit from bad umpiring
sorry got them mixed up :-[
shes ok monk. they are all skinny blondes lol
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Loss but proud.
Gave it a red hot go.
Our intencity and pressure was there and that instance in the last quarter where the ball was in our half forward line in the last quarter and we could have had at least 4 or 5 holding the balls but the ump forgot to blow his whistle was just superb, and even though the ball spilt to the Hawks and they goaled I was so so proud of the lads.
Yes McMahon is set to become the supporters whipping boy to an extent after tonight.
Yes l bet Umpire #10 had that whistle & wouldnot blow it cause his the biggest cheat in the AFL & we had many frees in that instance of play
McMahon seriously everyone watch the replay of this game & see how clearly this idiot thinks, his decision making & chip kicking is shocking & causing turnovers so many times l felt like jumping the fence & dragging him off the ground myself till Wallace finally done it >:(
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hey monk
thusty played on williams
mguane was on roughead who did benefit from bad umpiring
sorry got them mixed up :-[
shes ok monk. they are all skinny blondes lol
The backline did ok today they need a few more games
But having that idiot McMahon taking the kickouts is the worst decision
A huge kicker is needed to pump it out at least 60 metres cause our decision making is shocking
l blame the coach for that
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Thought we were pretty terrible in general and were lucky the Hawks had such an off day in front of goal.
We struggled all over the ground because players weren't working hard enough to present, which meant he overused the handball and turned it over regularly. Kick-ins were especially poor in regards to presenting options.
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Dont know what game you were watching but Hawthorn played bad cause we put the preasure on them & made them make bad decisions so l dont know where you get we played terrible
go watch the game again you will find how they won it with Umpire #10 help all day
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Sure some of the mistakes made by Hawthorn were due to pressure, but a hell of a lot weren't. They dropped a ton of uncontested chest marks, missed a heap of set shots.
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Not like them is it so what would you put that down too
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Why did we over-handball?
King - Simply Hawthorn's pressure. Thet forced us into things we didn't want to do. That's the Hawthorn way.
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hey monk
thusty played on williams
mguane was on roughead who did benefit from bad umpiring
sorry got them mixed up :-[
shes ok monk. they are all skinny blondes lol
The backline did ok today they need a few more games
But having that idiot McMahon taking the kickouts is the worst decision
A huge kicker is needed to pump it out at least 60 metres cause our decision making is shocking
l blame the coach for that
someone will prob blast me for saying this but we were 5 points in front and had all the momentum and what does mcmahon do kick it straight to a contest we could not win.
result hawks goal.
game over
Can the RFC recruit someone who can FCUKIN kick over 50 metres out of defence?
coast to coast is our biggest concern and we r so poo at it
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Our kick outs really annoyed me last night, how many times did we have someone free about 40m out and we kicked it to an even contest about 55m out. :banghead :banghead
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We don't use the new rule with the kick-ins. Simple as that. The argument for it would be that we are one of the best sides for scoring coast to coast and it drags the opposition away from our forward line. However now and then we miss opportunities by not kicking in straight away after a point and miss out on getting the ball outside defensive 50 easily. Also when we stuff the kick-in up we turn over the ball close to the opposition goal and gift them goals.
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Our intensity and pressure was there and that instance in the last quarter where the ball was in our half forward line in the last quarter and we could have had at least 4 or 5 holding the balls but the ump forgot to blow his whistle was just superb, and even though the ball spilt to the Hawks and they goaled I was so so proud of the lads.
I think the real turning point for the RFC will be when we are in a position to maybe pinch a game against better opposition that we make sure we win the 50/50 possessions. We had an opportunity after taking the lead in the third quarter to keep up the momentum by winning the centre bounce. We then proceeded to give Hawthorn easy possessions when the better teams in the competition would have stepped up and ensured they followed up with a another goal to gain the ascendancy. After we hit the front it didn't seem like we knew what to do from that point on, i suppose that comes from being a perennial loser for so long.
In the last quarter whilst we didn't receive one of fifty free kicks that could have been paid during the half forward line scramble it was Hawthorn that managed to win the clearance, we just have to find a way to win those sort of game breaking contested passages. Maybe a fit Cogs would have been the ideal person to get the clearing handball out of the pack that might have resulted in a goal, thats where we are still missing a really strong in and under player like him. Overall strength in this sort of situation is still a big weakness, we get thrown aside during attempted tackles too easily but when we do tackle a player i believe our tackling technique is not quite there as we continually fail to pin the handballing arm therefore allowing opposition teams easy clearances when by rights we should have been winning free kicks for holding/dropping the ball.
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In the last quarter whilst we didn't receive one of fifty free kicks that could have been paid during the half forward line scramble it was Hawthorn that managed to win the clearance, .....
They replayed that part on "On The Couch" tonight and counted the could've/should've frees. It ended up 5 to Hawthorn and 2 to us so we benefited by the play-on calls. Comment was also that this particular piece of play almost decided the game - whoever won it would have gone on to win. Easy to say now but there is some merit to it.
They also showed some 'down the ground' shots of Hawthorn's zoning setup and when you look at it in pieces its no wonder teams are having a hard time breaking them down. They force you to kick or run through 3 waves of brown and gold all zoning off and partly explains now why we were forced into the stop, look around, handball back method of days gone by. Clarkson admitted this in his interview when he said that stopping our run through the middle was their key. A bit different to the days when teams turned up to play us without a game plan, knowing full well they didn't need one. Baby steps on the way to reclaiming respect.
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hey monk
thusty played on williams
mguane was on roughead who did benefit from bad umpiring
sorry got them mixed up :-[
shes ok monk. they are all skinny blondes lol
The backline did ok today they need a few more games
But having that idiot McMahon taking the kickouts is the worst decision
A huge kicker is needed to pump it out at least 60 metres cause our decision making is shocking
l blame the coach for that
someone will prob blast me for saying this but we were 5 points in front and had all the momentum and what does mcmahon do kick it straight to a contest we could not win.
result hawks goal.
game over
Can the RFC recruit someone who can effIN kick over 50 metres out of defence?
coast to coast is our biggest concern and we r so poo at it
Hyde out - Cotchin in and we will suddenly look alot better at it.
Patience grasshopper.
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People might not like to hear this either, but Bowden in for McGuane would help clear the ball out of defence a lot easier.
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People might not like to hear this either, but Bowden in for McGuane would help clear the ball out of defence a lot easier.
With Bowden's (apparent) current frame of mind I'm not so sure. He is not going to beat his opponent any better than McGuane has been doing, he is no better in the air and unless he embraces the run straight, bounce, take 'em on strategy then he could well be more of a hindrance. Not saying he will or won't but you have to consider the possibility.
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Not many teams are going to get within 12 points of the Hawks this season.
Our pressure was fantastic, they kicked bad.. who cares, remember Round 7 1990.
Geelong 9.28
Richmond 13.18
Yes, Geelong had more shots, we won though, I recall not complaining too much that day.
We kicked 15 goals against the 3rd best defense in the comp, we've kicked 55.31 in the last 3 weeks.
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Saying Bowden a 200 game veteren, 2 times B&F winner wont do better than a player with 20 games is ludicrous :lol
Bowden will be back this weekend, his experience would have helped us greatly on the weekend against the Hawks & experience is what we need going into games against the Saints & Cats, Our backline needs guidance getting the ball out quickly by foot. If Joel was playing them last 6 minutes against the Bulldogs we would have won that game cause his one of the best players in the league to hold the game up, too much sometimes for my liking.
Once we stabilize the kicking out from goal then that cuts down the easy goals we give other sides & will create goals for us which in turn will bring wins & lift confidence in the whole playing group. We also need to breed & stablize players who can take over for when we are hit with injuries
McGuane played a good game :thumbsup so l dont know why anyone would want to drop him cause Joel & Luke are 2 different types of players.
Never judge a quality player by VFL standards cause its sometimes the slow pace of the game that deludes people of the real ability of a player
Put Tambling back into the VFL now & he will turn to poo, Put Hyde back to the VFL & he fits in cause he likes to slow the game down
Tivendale is a prime example, he shines at VFL level, but now struggles with endurance of AFL. so his a VFL player that can play AFL as a pinch hitter, thats why his played off the bench :thumbsup only problem is his skills have lacked quality from confidence the past few seasons & others have stepped up a level to take his place. His best option if he wanted to play more AFL games would have been to go to another club cause he should have been doing the harder yards some years back to keep him at a certain level. Still a very serviceable player & one of my favorites but l think his days are numbered.
Cool experience outweighs a preasured youth
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Saying Bowden a 200 game veteren, 2 times B&F winner wont do better than a player with 20 games is ludicrous :lol
Who said he would? What part of "Not saying he will or won't but you have to consider the possibility." didn't you understand?
Cool experience outweighs a preasured youth
And thats why we did so smashingly well with our 'veterans' leading the charge against North and Collingwood. Our youth should be let play without the constraints or fear of learning the bad habits of cultures past. There are upsides and downsides to Bowden playing in our current team with their current modus operandi and frankly, I would rather the kids learnt their lessons from the school of hard knocks like they did v Bulldogs than run the risk of a Bowden-type stifling their creativity by playing ultra safety first football.
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Saying Bowden a 200 game veteren, 2 times B&F winner wont do better than a player with 20 games is ludicrous :lol
Who said he would? What part of "Not saying he will or won't but you have to consider the possibility." didn't you understand?
Stop writing in jumble people will understand you more
Cool experience outweighs a preasured youth
And thats why we did so smashingly well with our 'veterans' leading the charge against North and Collingwood. Our youth should be let play without the constraints or fear of learning the bad habits of cultures past. There are upsides and downsides to Bowden playing in our current team with their current modus operandi and frankly, I would rather the kids learnt their lessons from the school of hard knocks like they did v Bulldogs than run the risk of a Bowden-type stifling their creativity by playing ultra safety first football.
Joel Bowden was not playing :lol how can you say that when its instructed from the coaching staff to shut the game down they got it wrong
that means your saying Richo is a poo player cause he started it ;D did you not see him signaling to the players to shut the game down.
Anybody that watches football knows Joel Bowden is the best in them situations even Robert Walls said l wish Joel Bowden was out there now he would win this for the tigers as the game was being shutdown which anybody would know was too early
it dont take a idiot to know it takes 15 seconds to send out the runner with a message keep the game flowing ;D that would have left 6 minutes on the clock to play football but because they were told to shut the game down & l know this by being told so from within the club & so we got spanked in them last minutes because the preasure overcome them all
We lost the North game cause we got smashed at the start of the game & we stayed with them the rest of the day ;D dont you watch
every player is accountable for that slow start & the lose including the coach who should have told the players to manup long before he did so
Richmond lost against Collingwood from the same thing but more. a bad game plan, out coached, overuse of the football & using the wrong options all day by every player on that ground not one player. Bowden is only part of 200 odd handballs & Tuck would have had more than Bowden & was just as bad, but he dont get dropped because his our in & under blocking player.
Joel Bowden was the scapegoat for that & many other players could have been dropped before him
Joel took the brunt because he is the senior player & stood up to it.
Get off Joels back >:( if he gets BOG this week you be kissing his bum saying how good he played
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Stop writing in jumble people will understand you more
People did. You on the other hand......
I still don't know what part of that was so hard for you to understand.
And thats why we did so smashingly well with our 'veterans' leading the charge against North and Collingwood. Our youth should be let play without the constraints or fear of learning the bad habits of cultures past. There are upsides and downsides to Bowden playing in our current team with their current modus operandi and frankly, I would rather the kids learnt their lessons from the school of hard knocks like they did v Bulldogs than run the risk of a Bowden-type stifling their creativity by playing ultra safety first football.
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Joel Bowden was not playing :lol how can you say that when its instructed from the coaching staff to shut the game down they got it wrong
that means your saying Richo is a pooh player cause he started it
I am genuinely concerned for your health TM. How you came up with this and the rest of the dribble that followed, from my post is really out there.
Get off Joels back >:( if he gets BOG this week you be kissing his bum saying how good he played
And if he fails you and your fraternity of naysayers and prophets of doom will be baying for his blood. Again.
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thats what l expected from you another crap post :lol
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To me it looks like Joel has lost a yard of pace so he's struggling to zone off and then lock back on to his direct opponent like he use to when he won his B&Fs. He wasn't dropped because of his ball usage remember. He was dropped for his lack of defensive efforts (although he shouldn't have been on Medhurst in the first place). Sure Joel would have been handy in those last 6 minutes against the dogs but we will never know if we would have been in that leading position in the first place had Joel played. Just all ifs, buts and maybes. As for the Hawks game remember Roughead kicked 4 goals in a half on Joel last year so no guarantees again we would've done any better with him in the side.
I think Joel will come back in but like Richo I think he will be asked to play a new role further upfield if he wants to stay in.
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I think Joel will come back in but like Richo I think he will be asked to play a new role further upfield if he wants to stay in.
Play him off the bench - 7th forward.
Plays tall, skillful. Showed vs. Carlton in the forward line he doesnt get alot of the ball, but is quite smart.
Along with Brown, Morton, Edwards, Deledio types we'd start to create a fairly skillful forward line.
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I think Joel will come back in but like Richo I think he will be asked to play a new role further upfield if he wants to stay in.
Play him off the bench - 7th forward.
Plays tall, skillful. Showed vs. Carlton in the forward line he doesnt get alot of the ball, but is quite smart.
Along with Brown, Morton, Edwards, Deledio types we'd start to create a fairly skillful forward line.
I reckon Joel will come back as a forward of some form too but he'll still need to provide defensive pressure in our forward line given how many attacks are set up from defence these days.
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I don't think pace is the problem, I just think that for some reason he's not putting his body in like he has in recent years. Last year I think he was hugely underrated for the courage he showed, was regularly sacrificing himself to get in front of leading forwards and getting crunched. This year, haven't seen it from him. Hopefully this stint at Coburg gets him that defensive urgency back as I think he has a hell of a lot to offer the side.
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I don't think pace is the problem, I just think that for some reason he's not putting his body in like he has in recent years. Last year I think he was hugely underrated for the courage he showed, was regularly sacrificing himself to get in front of leading forwards and getting crunched. This year, haven't seen it from him. Hopefully this stint at Coburg gets him that defensive urgency back as I think he has a hell of a lot to offer the side.
IMO Joel is a player who plays at the same standard regardless of whether we need someone to stand up or not. That is, if we win by 10 goals he is bog, the next week he will get the same stats and we will lose by 10 goals and be bagged. Thats why he got dropped imo, he can`t stand up when the poo hits the fan like, say, Richo.Consistency may be his downfall