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Tigers to protest over 'lost' seconds
Matt Burgan
richmondfc.com.au
12:07 AM Sun 04 May, 2008
RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace says the club will "absolutely" be making a complaint to the AFL after it is believed roughly 15 seconds were lost during the dying stages of the Tigers dramatic three-point loss to St Kilda at Telstra Dome on Saturday night.
A week after a timekeeper error occurred during Geelong's one-point win over Fremantle at Subiaco Oval, seconds again went missing in another AFL match where the result went down to the wire.
Wallace said the club would confront the AFL about the issue to ensure "the professionalism and integrity" of the competition remained paramount.
"We're going to end up with talk-back radio for seven days again over a clock situation we should be talking about the feats of [St Kilda's] Stephen Milne and [Richmond's] Matthew Richardson playing the best football of his life," Wallace said during his post-match media conference.
"Those are the things we should be talking about from the game not talking about things that can be controlled."
It is understood the seconds were lost after Kelvin Moore's shot at goal hit the post late in the game and time-on was not called.
Soon after, Tiger Jack Riewoldt had a shot at goal after the final siren, but his kick from outside 50m did not register a score.
Wallace said had the seconds not been lost in the process, Riewoldt's position could have been different and the four points may not have ended up with St Kilda.
"How do you lose 14 seconds in a game of football we'd love to have that 14 seconds with Jack Riewoldt, with the ball and be able to make a decision about it," he said.
"We have no doubt that after the Kel Moore shot on goal and the result and kick-out came out that the clock continued to run down.
It was sitting right in front of me in the box and it continued to run down and it didn't re-set.
"Whether it was 14 or 17 [seconds] it was certainly over 10 seconds of lost play and we'd love to have that 10 seconds to be able to make the right decisions at the end of the game."
Wallace also suggested the AFL needed to be careful handing out financial penalties for rule breaches.
"As soon as you're in a losing situation, you get the run of sour grapes when this sort of thing happens, but we are playing in such a professional industry, he said.
The AFL has such stringent rules and restrictions on us as a group as a football division and we get fined if we don't blow our noses correctly in the result of a game.
"Over the last few days, we've had interchange sanctions come to the club and the [message] said we'd have strong fines if there were any indiscretions in relation to [the] interchange.
"We are playing in a super professional sport here. It cannot be making mistakes about that. Can we have a fining system and go to the AFL and actually want to fine them if they want to fine us?
"We probably had someone step over the line or do the wrong thing in the interchange today and we'll get slapped with a please explain why. Well, who explains to us?
But Wallace stressed that Richmond lost the match due to its own missed opportunities.
"We'll wear the fact that we lost the game no issue with that but there's got to be a professionalism that lifts the standard that those sorts of things don't happen, particularly [when it's happened] a couple of weeks in a row," he said.
Asked what could be done about the situation, Wallace said, "I'm coaching the side. It's hard enough for me to know what's got to be done to get us over the line to win the game.
"It's somebody else's responsibility to tell you that they shouldn't be having the clock run down like that."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=59026
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Great. ::)
14 seconds, plenty of time to spot a target.
Thanks timekeepers. :banghead
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As much as it was potentially costly (Jordie was free inside 50 when Jack marked it), we have only ourselves to blame for losing last night. The timekeepers don't kick the footy for you. We had 22 to 17 scoring shots after quarter time.
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As much as it was potentially costly (Jordie was free inside 50 when Jack marked it), we have only ourselves to blame for losing last night. The timekeepers don't kick the footy for you. We had 22 to 17 scoring shots after quarter time.
No doubt about that but that doesnt mean we should lose seconds for one final crack at it! :banghead
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AFL will overlook it
end of story
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AFL will overlook it
end of story
Exactly will sweep it under the rug just like Freo's case on lost time last week 19 players on the ground and other issues. Wait a sec a player gave the bird to the fans watch this space.................
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they will do nothing
this "issue" isn't helped by the fact that stupid channel 10 has that pathetic 5 minute warning as opposed to the countdown clock
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we lost end of story.
wallace should try and discuss reasons why we lost, but no the spin doctor in every match after the last 3 weeks comes out with crap.
first it was lake
then it was the hawks and their tactics
now its the seconds lost.
id rather hear about how some players are really stepping up and how some are not than hear about this crap.
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we lost end of story.
wallace should try and discuss reasons why we lost, but no the spin doctor in every match after the last 3 weeks comes out with crap.
first it was lake
then it was the hawks and their tactics
now its the seconds lost.
id rather hear about how some players are really stepping up and how some are not than hear about this crap.
Correct.
We should of won by at least 5 goals.
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we lost end of story.
wallace should try and discuss reasons why we lost, but no the spin doctor in every match after the last 3 weeks comes out with crap.
first it was lake
then it was the hawks and their tactics
now its the seconds lost.
id rather hear about how some players are really stepping up and how some are not than hear about this crap.
"But Wallace stressed that Richmond lost the match due to its own missed opportunities."
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this is a nothing story, our club should worry about continuing to develop the playing style of the team and the player list, this other stuff is complete nonsense.
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this is a nothing story, our club should worry about continuing to develop the playing style of the team and the player list, this other stuff is complete nonsense.
Totally agree.
Would be more concerned about our players staging for free kicks while his oppponent( Milne) just walks in and kicks another goal, :banghead
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Mate,
I'd have something to say if i was a prisoner TO the AFL
monopoly on EVERYTHING!
If that bi, dumb wog Dimi wants to be head hole,at least run the stuffing system professionally,FFS!
They(afl)make more money than anyone out of everybody elses efforts
but are,by comparison to other professional codes,laughable.
AD -To muni tis manas su!
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AFL embarrassed over lost time
May 4, 2008 - 2:33PM
The AFL admits its timekeepers made an embarrassing and unacceptable mistake which wiped several seconds off the clock late in St Kilda's nail-biting win over Richmond.
Richmond coach Terry Wallace angrily demanded answers from the league over the incident after the Saints won 17.8 (110) to 16.11 (107) at Telstra Dome on Saturday night.
With the Tigers trailing by four points, Richmond's Kelvin Moore hit the post with a set shot from 30m with about a minute to play.
The resultant Saints' kick-in was initially called back and had to be retaken, but the time clock was allowed to run while that was happening, Wallace believing about 14 seconds was lost.
Richmond then won the ball in midfield and worked it back to youngster Jack Riewoldt, who had a set shot from just outside 50m after the siren, which failed to make the distance.
AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson conceded the time was lost as a result of human error, with the two timekeepers failing to notice the umpire's signal to stop the clock.
"We've spoken to the timekeepers involved and they're unable to explain it other than obviously being very apologetic," Anderson told Melbourne radio 3AW.
"They are unable to explain how they made this mistake.
"They've got a good viewing position, particularly at the MCG and Telstra Dome and when the umpire calls time-on they stop the clock and it didn't happen in this case."
Wallace said on Saturday night the AFL needed to be held to account, given fines were regularly dished out to clubs over various infringements.
"We are playing a super-professional sport here, it cannot be making mistakes like that," Wallace said.
"Can we have a fining system? Can we go to the AFL and fine them if they want to fine us?
"We've probably had someone step over the line or do the wrong thing on the interchange and we'll get slapped with a please explain why.
"Well, who explains to us?"
Anderson said he could fully understand Wallace's anger.
"We share that frustration and we have to work via the umpiring department to make sure everything's done to make sure it doesn't happen again," he said.
"From time to time we are going to have human error, but we certainly want to minimise that and as far as we're concerned an error has happened which is unacceptable and we're as frustrated as anybody about it."
Anderson said the timekeepers responsible would be dealt with by the umpiring department, which oversees their role, and would have harmed their chances of selection for future matches.
"We just have to make sure via the umpiring department we make sure we've got the right people in those roles," he said.
http://news.theage.com.au/afl-embarrassed-over-lost-time/20080504-2ar2.html
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we lost end of story.
wallace should try and discuss reasons why we lost, but no the spin doctor in every match after the last 3 weeks comes out with crap.
first it was lake
then it was the hawks and their tactics
now its the seconds lost.
id rather hear about how some players are really stepping up and how some are not than hear about this crap.
Posted by: Jackstar
Correct.
We should of won by at least 5 goals.
Posted by: Jackstar
Quote from: Ramps on Today at 05:13:25 pm
this is a nothing story, our club should worry about continuing to develop the playing style of the team and the player list, this other stuff is complete nonsense.
Totally agree.
Would be more concerned about our players staging for free kicks while his oppponent( Milne) just walks in and kicks another goal,
And if the club copped it and said nothing then the whingeing minority would make that another reason to sack the president, sack the committee, sack the coach, sack the football dept, sack the players and sack the tuckshop grannies. One of the glaring shortcomings of our extended period in the wilderness was to accept crap and not stand up for ourselves as a club. Now that we have a president and coach publicly saying we, RICHMOND, won't take it any more, it makes me even more confident that we are on the right path and will succeed in the reasonable future.
Whinge away sad sacks, its getting quite boring.
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we lost end of story.
wallace should try and discuss reasons why we lost, but no the spin doctor in every match after the last 3 weeks comes out with crap.
first it was lake
then it was the hawks and their tactics
now its the seconds lost.
id rather hear about how some players are really stepping up and how some are not than hear about this crap.
I think you need to read the article again.
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We make our own mistakes, but thats no reason to accept the mistakes made by others that are to our detriment, esp from the AFL who are quick to jump up and fine everytime a club makes a mistake...big or small
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Daniel, I listened to the Wallace press conference on the way home last night.
It might interest you to know that he didn't bring the subject up. He was asked a question and he answered it. He actaully said "I wasn't going to bring it up" but he was asked a question and he answered it - simple.
I don't think questioning how this can happen again in the space of 8 days is spin doctoring. It is not good enough on the part of the AFL that is a FACT.
As to giving answers as to why we lost - he did that in the press conference I heard on the radio. Is it his fault that the press have brushed that aside.
Seriously what do you think they are going to write about? What's going to sell more papers?
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we lost end of story.
wallace should try and discuss reasons why we lost, but no the spin doctor in every match after the last 3 weeks comes out with crap.
first it was lake
then it was the hawks and their tactics
now its the seconds lost.
id rather hear about how some players are really stepping up and how some are not than hear about this crap.
Posted by: Jackstar
Correct.
We should of won by at least 5 goals.
Posted by: Jackstar
Quote from: Ramps on Today at 05:13:25 pm
this is a nothing story, our club should worry about continuing to develop the playing style of the team and the player list, this other stuff is complete nonsense.
Totally agree.
Would be more concerned about our players staging for free kicks while his oppponent( Milne) just walks in and kicks another goal,
:weights
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Too late now but Rohan Connolly and Mike Sheahan have both wrote today saying something needs to be done to stop this from happening again as well as the other AFL stuff-ups.
Time for AFL to act on time. (http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/time-for-afl-to-act-on-time/2008/05/04/1209839459904.html)
Stuff ups unacceptable. (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/1,9191,23645200-19742,00.html)
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Daniel, I listened to the Wallace press conference on the way home last night.
It might interest you to know that he didn't bring the subject up. He was asked a question and he answered it. He actaully said "I wasn't going to bring it up" but he was asked a question and he answered it - simple.
I don't think questioning how this can happen again in the space of 8 days is spin doctoring. It is not good enough on the part of the AFL that is a FACT.
As to giving answers as to why we lost - he did that in the press conference I heard on the radio. Is it his fault that the press have brushed that aside.
Seriously what do you think they are going to write about? What's going to sell more papers?
fair comment
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While we're whinging about inept officialdom. Watching on telly, I was a lot more upset with the inside 50 to Shulz who took a diving mark but then wasn't paid because it didn't travel the 15 metres - than I was with the time-clock.
The ball travels the other way and they kick a goal. Vossy & co thought we were gipped and the replays supported 'em. I was livid.
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While we're whinging about inept officialdom. Watching on telly, I was a lot more upset with the inside 50 to Shulz who took a diving mark but then wasn't paid because it didn't travel the 15 metres - than I was with the time-clock.
The ball travels the other way and they kick a goal. Vossy & co thought we were gipped and the replays supported 'em. I was livid.
I was just as livid with the Gehrig dropping the ball not payed that resulted in a goal to Harvey. Happened right in front of us and if ever there was a classic 'incorrect disposal' for the umpiring guidance dvd that was it. It was an absolute disgrace that the call was play-on. Then to rub salt into the wound, Gehrig again infringed in the last quarter by holding McGuane so Milne could dance around him and goal. I noticed McGuane going 'berko' but didn't know why until I saw the replay. Three goals from three blatant umpiring mistakes. These had more cause or impact on us losing than the lost seconds but when you add them all together we really did get royally screwed.