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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Lozza on May 24, 2008, 11:06:26 PM
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Hollow feeling after this win chaps, i think we still dont have that killer instinct when we have our boots on teams throats, probably a case of not being in that position often enough. It was also a game that everyone expected us to win and we did. However the same old deficiencies still reared their ugly heads such as:
Constantly missing targets by foot and hand
Hospital handpassing
Wrong options in the forward line costing us goals
Goalkicking is woeful, most players have trouble making distance over 40m
Winning most clearances but losing the pivotal ones in high congestion
Taking unnecessary risks when coming out from defence
I will always take a win almost felt like a loss, especially having given up a 50 odd point lead at half time and add a couple more grey hairs to my scalp. Main positives were the performances of young Edwards and Cotchin (all class and very clean both from foot and especially sharp by hand, shows up more senior players).
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I dont wanna seem like Im just here to be negative, especially after a win but thats the cheapest win weve had in a while, from a development point of view I think it was worthless, and its been these types of wins in the past that has cost of vital draft selections that has cost us badly. That will happen again in 2008, lets hope we aint looking around for a Daniel Rich or Michael Hurley in 2011 or 2012.
Ive seen this movie to many times. Our player list is only capable of finishing at best 7th or 8th - we need more quality picks and quality players. Essendon are a complete rabble, the fact they put us under the pump in the 3rd shows that we have a long long way to go. Especially with some of the same old faces that have now reappeared.
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I dont wanna seem like Im just here to be negative, especially after a win but thats the cheapest win weve had in a while, from a development point of view I think it was worthless, and its been these types of wins in the past that has cost of vital draft selections that has cost us badly. That will happen again in 2008, lets hope we aint looking around for a Daniel Rich or Michael Hurley in 2011 or 2012.
Ive seen this movie to many times. Our player list is only capable of finishing at best 7th or 8th - we need more quality picks and quality players. Essendon are a complete rabble, the fact they put us under the pump in the 3rd shows that we have a long long way to go. Especially with some of the same old faces that have now reappeared.
We set up the win with a 50 point lead at half time, nothing soft or hollow about that! We've been soft and hollow victories for the opposition for ages and now we score them. I think that is good. A win is a win and now we are level with last years performance in terms of points and we are not yet half way through. This is better than a hollow loss or a hollow draw.
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I argue that it was important to win a game we were actually expected to win....
That has to be a massive positive for our blokes :thumbsup
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Some people are never happy. ::)
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I argue that it was important to win a game we were actually expected to win....
That has to be a massive positive for our blokes :thumbsup
i agree 100%. we have to take a win at all costs.
im really looking forward to the swans next week, i really feel we have to beat one of adelaide or the swans to really show how much we have improved..
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Keep ya effing heads up >:( we won no matter how bad it was the Bombers dragged us down to that pathetic level & we took our focus off the mission after halftime.
Its always been a problem at the club for years now & we must be positive to help them get over that problem
no-one would admit their a bomber supporter after that pathetic effort of professional football, our bloke did a good job on thier top players ;D have they got any top players ;D
Best part about this game is it showed the players who will be axed soon, which is good cause we got some waiting to take thier spots
but in any case enjoy the win its been along time comming :gotigers
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Sorry boys, yes you're right a win is a win and i suppose straight after the match i was still thinking of what could have been after our first half. Not being negative just highlighting that we do have a way to go but our graph is on the up and things are definitely looking brighter for the future. Have to mention Cotchin again, this kid is like a Rolls Royce in motion, never seems to waste a disposal and has a very good football brain, he is the future of our club.
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I dont wanna seem like Im just here to be negative, especially after a win but thats the cheapest win weve had in a while, from a development point of view I think it was worthless, and its been these types of wins in the past that has cost of vital draft selections that has cost us badly. That will happen again in 2008, lets hope we aint looking around for a Daniel Rich or Michael Hurley in 2011 or 2012.
Ive seen this movie to many times. Our player list is only capable of finishing at best 7th or 8th - we need more quality picks and quality players. Essendon are a complete rabble, the fact they put us under the pump in the 3rd shows that we have a long long way to go. Especially with some of the same old faces that have now reappeared.
I think
Shane Edwards
Brett Deledio
Trent Cotchin
Wil Thursfield
Jack Riewolt
would all disagree
I think young Jack, Eddy and Lids all took another big step forward last night. The future is looking very bright indeed
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I dont wanna seem like Im just here to be negative, especially after a win but thats the cheapest win weve had in a while, from a development point of view I think it was worthless, and its been these types of wins in the past that has cost of vital draft selections that has cost us badly. That will happen again in 2008, lets hope we aint looking around for a Daniel Rich or Michael Hurley in 2011 or 2012.
Ive seen this movie to many times. Our player list is only capable of finishing at best 7th or 8th - we need more quality picks and quality players. Essendon are a complete rabble, the fact they put us under the pump in the 3rd shows that we have a long long way to go. Especially with some of the same old faces that have now reappeared.
I think
Shane Edwards
Brett Deledio
Trent Cotchin
Wil Thursfield
Jack Riewolt
would all disagree
I think young Jack, Eddy and Lids all took another big step forward last night. The future is looking very bright indeed
Our 2nd half was deplorable Blaisee, Essendon are a rabble. We should have flogged them, and we should have beaten them by more than 39.5 pts :banghead
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I dont wanna seem like Im just here to be negative, especially after a win but thats the cheapest win weve had in a while, from a development point of view I think it was worthless, and its been these types of wins in the past that has cost of vital draft selections that has cost us badly. That will happen again in 2008, lets hope we aint looking around for a Daniel Rich or Michael Hurley in 2011 or 2012.
Ive seen this movie to many times. Our player list is only capable of finishing at best 7th or 8th - we need more quality picks and quality players. Essendon are a complete rabble, the fact they put us under the pump in the 3rd shows that we have a long long way to go. Especially with some of the same old faces that have now reappeared.
I think
Shane Edwards
Brett Deledio
Trent Cotchin
Wil Thursfield
Jack Riewolt
would all disagree
I think young Jack, Eddy and Lids all took another big step forward last night. The future is looking very bright indeed
Our 2nd half was deplorable Blaisee, Essendon are a rabble. We should have flogged them, and we should have beaten them by more than 39.5 pts :banghead
wrong only the 3rd quarter was, we won end of story
the bombers have the ability, look at teh nab cup and rond 1 this yr
the pushed sydney for 2 quarters, and the bombers always play 1 good quarter of footy
i was laughing at the bombers and their fans, they are poo
and their fans are pathetic, they left in their thousands at half time, sooky bastards were so used to winning they cant handle being poo
we are the real supporters, they are phonys.
its about time we made the bombers suffer
the tide has turned!
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come on boys.
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i was laughing at the bombers and their fans, they are pooh
and their fans are pathetic, they left in their thousands at half time, sooky bastards were so used to winning they cant handle being pooh
we are the real supporters, they are phonys.
its about time we made the bombers suffer
the tide has turned!
One of the most glaring things to come out of last nights game. It was a 'blockbuster' Essendon home game and only 60k turned up. There were more Richmond supporters there than Essendon. If it had been our home game there would have been 70k + attend. What happened to the arrogant, fair weather supporters that were everywhere when they were a good side? We have been a poor side for over 25 years and yet we still manage to figure in the top % of attendances and memberships (when you compare membership apples to membership apples). They had a successful run for over 25 years,fall away for a couple and no-one turns up! Weak as warm, pale yellow water they are and the real irony is that their club leaders were very loud a few years ago, gobbing off about how the weak (some other teams) should be not supported and cast aside if they couldn't 'cut it' (pay their way). How the worm has turned and these arrogant scum deserve no sympathy or empathy. If there is a side that should get no support when they are down it is these disloyal, arrogant, flogbags.
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One of the most glaring things to come out of last nights game. It was a 'blockbuster' Essendon home game and only 60k turned up. There were more Richmond supporters there than Essendon. If it had been our home game there would have been 70k + attend. What happened to the arrogant, fair weather supporters that were everywhere when they were a good side? We have been a poor side for over 25 years and yet we still manage to figure in the top % of attendances and memberships (when you compare membership apples to membership apples). They had a successful run for over 25 years,fall away for a couple and no-one turns up! Weak as warm, pale yellow water they are and the real irony is that their club leaders were very loud a few years ago, gobbing off about how the weak (some other teams) should be not supported and cast aside if they couldn't 'cut it' (pay their way). How the worm has turned and these arrogant scum deserve no sympathy or empathy. If there is a side that should get no support when they are down it is these disloyal, arrogant, flogbags.
lol. Why don't you tell us what you really think smokey.
I agree 100% by the way. Nothing better than seeing that slightly confused look Lloyd gets when they lose. Don't really think Matthew understands what's going on around him most of the time.
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I can get why you would feel a bit like that straight after lozz.
But in these days where anyone can beat anyone and after our run of near enoughs, to win a game we expected too and comfortably may I add, no complaints here.
Helps that I backed them 37 + , maybe something in the cosmos is finally changing. :shh
HUGE game against the swanies next week, glad they won, hopefully it takes enough of an edge off them to give us a sniff. :gotigers
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I love beating Essendon. Everytime. :D
Now on to Sydney..
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I'm happy we won and we won without any true standouts. Everyone contributed evenly and we won the gave in the first few minutes. Essendon are a rabble! The only down side for me was our third quarter let off and the inclusion of Petts. I would have prefered to see Morton or even Collins/Connors play rather than good old average Petts.
Stripes
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There were more Richmond supporters there than Essendon.
With due respect ;) I have to say that when Lloyd licked their first goal the noise was quite a lot louder than anything that went before or after ....there were plenty of them there - you could see the entire second level of the Northern stand had emptied out 10 secs into the Tiger song.
I thought McMahon was terrific. pity he didn't kick that goal on the run.
When are we going to take the kid gloves off Tambling? Even Richo said he started us off last night which is really stretching it a bit because he was ok early but after that?
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There were more Richmond supporters there than Essendon.
With due respect ;) I have to say that when Lloyd licked their first goal the noise was quite a lot louder than anything that went before or after ....there were plenty of them there - you could see the entire second level of the Northern stand had emptied out 10 secs into the Tiger song.
Not worth an argument but I disagree. Every Richmond goal was cheered much more loudly than any Essendon goal. And the reason the stand emptied? Re-read my post. I was in the Ponsford Stand and hardly anyone left there before the end.
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There were more Richmond supporters there than Essendon.
With due respect ;) I have to say that when Lloyd licked their first goal the noise was quite a lot louder than anything that went before or after ....there were plenty of them there - you could see the entire second level of the Northern stand had emptied out 10 secs into the Tiger song.
I thought McMahon was terrific. pity he didn't kick that goal on the run.
When are we going to take the kid gloves off Tambling? Even Richo said he started us off last night which is really stretching it a bit because he was ok early but after that?
he has got daniel wells written all over him at this stage..does a few good things here and there but its not enough.
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Not worth an argument but you'd like the last word nevertheless - ok you win - we outnumbered them :rollin
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Re Tambling - when I refer to kid gloves - he does heaps of media, gets to take the toss, is given undue praise in my opinion and it wories me that he might start to believe that he's already made it. He has a long long way to go. Even a big ruckman in Hille sold him a sucker dummy -
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Re Tambling - when I refer to kid gloves - he does heaps of media, gets to take the toss, is given undue praise in my opinion and it wories me that he might start to believe that he's already made it. He has a long long way to go. Even a big ruckman in Hille sold him a sucker dummy -
u said it and totally agree.. a few in and under tackles and clearances is not enough IMO..
He needs to work harder and put in CONSISTENT 4 quarter efforts..
right now im seeing a player who comes in and out of games..
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Re Tambling - when I refer to kid gloves - he does heaps of media, gets to take the toss, is given undue praise in my opinion and it wories me that he might start to believe that he's already made it. He has a long long way to go. Even a big ruckman in Hille sold him a sucker dummy -
I don't think he thinks "he's made it". He is kid with his head defintely screwed on the right way.
And he was the catalyst at the start of the game in the middle - his quick hands got us a number of clearances
BTW he copped a nasty knock in the 2nd ....
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Re Tambling - when I refer to kid gloves - he does heaps of media, gets to take the toss, is given undue praise in my opinion and it wories me that he might start to believe that he's already made it. He has a long long way to go. Even a big ruckman in Hille sold him a sucker dummy -
u said it and totally agree.. a few in and under tackles and clearances is not enough IMO..
He needs to work harder and put in CONSISTENT 4 quarter efforts..
right now im seeing a player who comes in and out of games..
u r very much underrating tamblings efforts
yet u overrate king the gems efforts
king should be dropped , 4 weeks running now he has been very poor
u keep bagging tambling but i want to know when are u going to put the acid on king.
very bad game again on sat night, all he did was get angry, lay a few tackles, give away many free kicks, and shank many of his own disposals, yet u have sugar and blingers in the gun week in week out
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I don't think he thinks "he's made it". He is kid with his head defintely screwed on the right way.
And he was the catalyst at the start of the game in the middle - his quick hands got us a number of clearances
BTW he copped a nasty knock in the 2nd ....
Interesting about the knock. Kicked in the hand wasn't he WP?
I totally agree he was amazing in the first quarter & a half.
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Re Tambling - when I refer to kid gloves - he does heaps of media, gets to take the toss, is given undue praise in my opinion and it wories me that he might start to believe that he's already made it. He has a long long way to go. Even a big ruckman in Hille sold him a sucker dummy -
u said it and totally agree.. a few in and under tackles and clearances is not enough IMO..
He needs to work harder and put in CONSISTENT 4 quarter efforts..
right now im seeing a player who comes in and out of games..
Tambling won a fair bit of hard ball in the packs in the first 1/2.
His inside game is quite solid.
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Generally speaking our abilities to get the disputed hard ball in the last 5 or 6 weeks has been great and we have been in the top 2 or 3 in that period so it would be remiss to label the team as soft. Perhaps mentally fragile my still be a tad harsh given the four quarter effort we put in against Freo but nevertheless the team needs to develop and carry out a ruthless killer instinct so that next time we find ourselves 50 points up at half time we win by 80 and not find ourselves biting our fingernails late in the 3rd when the margin is back to 27.
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Interesting about the knock. Kicked in the hand wasn't he WP?
I totally agree he was amazing in the first quarter & a half.
Yeah that's what i heard and was also told that's what came through on the replay
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I was disappointed with our second half on the weekend but after a few days I see it as if beforehand we were told we would beat a side we should beat by a comfortable 38 points and the margin throughout the night wouldn't slip below 4 goals after bursting out of the blocks in the first quarter we would've taken it.
I remember a similar game where we were the rabble :P in the first half back in 2002.
Round 2, M.C.G., 05-Apr-2002
Essendon 7.2 13.7 14.12 16.16-112
Richmond 0.3 2.6 5.9 8.12-60
Winning the second half was just a token effort by us as the opposition (Essendon) took the pedal off and it was the same story but with the roles reversed on Saturday night.
Winning is always a positive...... unless it's round 22 and you're tanking for a priority pick lol
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I was disappointed with our second half on the weekend but after a few days I see it as if beforehand we were told we would beat a side we should beat by a comfortable 38 points and the margin throughout the night wouldn't slip below 4 goals after bursting out of the blocks in the first quarter we would've taken it.
I remember a similar game where we were the rabble :P in the first half back in 2002.
Round 2, M.C.G., 05-Apr-2002
Essendon 7.2 13.7 14.12 16.16-112
Richmond 0.3 2.6 5.9 8.12-60
Winning the second half was just a token effort by us as the opposition (Essendon) took the pedal off and it was the same story but with the roles reversed on Saturday night.
Winning is always a positive...... unless it's round 22 and you're tanking for a priority pick lol
Good point MT, i think what happens is as RFC improve then our expectations each game will get higher, i think seeing the current improvement some of us might be thinking a little bit too far ahead of ourselves. Whilst as you say our second half was disappointing we did seem to be in control most of the time and goaled when we needed to. Against the Swannies this week it would be a good followup if we can apply pressure for the full four quarters given the quality of the opposition. If we allow a team like the Swans back into a game as we did against the Bombers then we will well and truly get run down, especially at the SCG where goals can be scored very quickly.
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I was disappointed with our second half on the weekend but after a few days I see it as if beforehand we were told we would beat a side we should beat by a comfortable 38 points and the margin throughout the night wouldn't slip below 4 goals after bursting out of the blocks in the first quarter we would've taken it.
I remember a similar game where we were the rabble :P in the first half back in 2002.
Round 2, M.C.G., 05-Apr-2002
Essendon 7.2 13.7 14.12 16.16-112
Richmond 0.3 2.6 5.9 8.12-60
Winning the second half was just a token effort by us as the opposition (Essendon) took the pedal off and it was the same story but with the roles reversed on Saturday night.
Winning is always a positive...... unless it's round 22 and you're tanking for a priority pick lol
Essendon at that stage still had an aura about them whereas all we had was a prelim final and a losing wizard cup granny medal to gloat about and of course Danny talked us up much in the same way as Essendon talked themselves up until recently once reality has begun to set in. All we have to do is learn to put crap teams like Essendon to the sword each time we play them indoctrinate into the list a winning culture and hopefully we find our feet our way and achieve our team goals.
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I was disappointed with our second half on the weekend but after a few days I see it as if beforehand we were told we would beat a side we should beat by a comfortable 38 points and the margin throughout the night wouldn't slip below 4 goals after bursting out of the blocks in the first quarter we would've taken it.
I remember a similar game where we were the rabble :P in the first half back in 2002.
Round 2, M.C.G., 05-Apr-2002
Essendon 7.2 13.7 14.12 16.16-112
Richmond 0.3 2.6 5.9 8.12-60
Winning the second half was just a token effort by us as the opposition (Essendon) took the pedal off and it was the same story but with the roles reversed on Saturday night.
Winning is always a positive...... unless it's round 22 and you're tanking for a priority pick lol
Essendon at that stage still had an aura about them whereas all we had was a prelim final and a losing wizard cup granny medal to gloat about and of course Danny talked us up much in the same way as Essendon talked themselves up until recently once reality has begun to set in. All we have to do is learn to put crap teams like Essendon to the sword each time we play them indoctrinate into the list a winning culture and hopefully we find our feet our way and achieve our team goals.
I can still remember the back page of the Hun the day or two before with Dannytalking up how much tougher we were :-X.
We did put the bombers to the sword in the first half as we should had which was pleasing. We just need to learn to control the first 10 minutes after half-time to squash any sniff when the opposition cop the obvious blast and rev-up and then kick away again like we did against Freo when we finished off the game till the end. As Hawthorn (almost) found out on the weekend you can't treat any side lightly no matter what the class difference is.