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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: torch on June 01, 2008, 11:05:06 PM
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time to go ...
Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer !
take ... Tuck, McMahon and Shultz with you too thank you :)
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*Sigh*, what did Schulz do wrong today gang? ::) ::) ::) ::)
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If the sledge hammer has to be swung then lets do it right. This is going to be a good one as we all have a favorites and will disagree with some of the choices that others make.
But just remember this is in the writers opinion only. As I disagree with Tuck, I think he's great. But this is my opinion. But if he has to go then its good bye, though I would hate to see him go.
The rest I do agree with and I know there are others that need to watch out to.
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time to go ...
Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer !
take ... Tuck, McMahon and Shultz with you too thank you :)
Correct.
Add Wallet, Royal, King , Rawlings , Casey, Armstrong and any other "'hanger ons "" down there :lol
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*Sigh*, what did Schulz do wrong today gang? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Nothing I dont think, he was in the top 5 or 6 for the day. Mind you that dont make him real good either on what we saw Sunday.
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time to go ...
Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer !
take ... Tuck, McMahon and Shultz with you too thank you :)
I'd rather say "goodbye" to supporters who advocate this sort of rubbish, and to ex-employees who pretend they're Richmond supporters.
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time to go ...
Bowden, Hyde & Pettifer !
take ... Tuck, McMahon and Shultz with you too thank you :)
I'd rather say "goodbye" to supporters who advocate this sort of rubbish, and to ex-employees who pretend they're Richmond supporters.
You tell me then Gordon , where have we improved ?
Did you watch yesterday ? And whats our future.
Considering we have beaten Eseendon and Freo ?
I await your reply.
As for me pretending to be a supporter, I have supported and given enough to this football club and am sick to death of ""johnny come lately"" coming in and promising the world and delivering little.
Has it ever crossed your mind I might be right ? Oh, you didnt think of that ? Or Maybe jackstar actually knows whats goes on behind the scenes ? can tell you something , I do.
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Has it ever crossed your mind I might be right ?
no.
What crosses my mind is that you desperately want our team to fail so that you can say "I'm right" (or should I say, I'm correct!).
You're so bitter and twisted that your username should be changed, by compulsion, to "lemonlips", or something similar.
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Has it ever crossed your mind I might be right ?
no.
What crosses my mind is that you desperately want our team to fail so that you can say "I'm right" (or should I say, I'm correct!).
You're so bitter and twisted that your username should be changed, by compulsion, to "lemonlips", or something similar.
Or maybe this is the case. He doesn't want his club to fail. They continue to do it. ie. the last 25 years.
If RFC is fair dikum about trying to be a decent team one day Pettifer and Hyde must not play again for the good of the clubs long term future.
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Goodes was best on ground nearly yeaterday
who made him nearly BOG
Wallace & Royal thats who, cause they do not make changes when a player like Hyde 30+ games 80 kg playing on a dual brownlow medallist who is 200+ games 96kg & 12cm taller built to dominate the modern day football game
stuffin sick of you people laying blame to Hyde when you cant see past your coaches he should have been moved very early
Pettifer in the centre WTF is that all about, his no midfielder his a forward
Jackstar is right we are going nowhere with these coaches
Rawlings our forward coach please get rid of him we are disfunctional down there
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Has it ever crossed your mind I might be right ?
no.
What crosses my mind is that you desperately want our team to fail so that you can say "I'm right" (or should I say, I'm correct!).
You're so bitter and twisted that your username should be changed, by compulsion, to "lemonlips", or something similar.
Your bitter and twisted.
I want the RFC to be successfull. Not about me being right or wrong.
Working with these people tells me there not up to it, my opinion and I am probably right on whats occurred over the past 18 months, wouldnt you agree ?
It aint going to be successful with the current structure we have.
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*Sigh*, what did Schulz do wrong today gang? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Nothing for mine tigersalive - he was one of our better players on Sunday - one of the top 3 IMHO
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he was doing ok & Wallace benched him haha Swans added a few goals
how stuffed up is that coaching effort
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*Sigh*, what did Schulz do wrong today gang? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Nothing for mine tigersalive - he was one of our better players on Sunday - one of the top 3 IMHO
Schulz and Polak at Coburg for the rest of the season, Pettifer and Bowden as well
Keep Morton, Hughes and Reidwoldt playing with us
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*Sigh*, what did Schulz do wrong today gang? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Nothing for mine tigersalive - he was one of our better players on Sunday - one of the top 3 IMHO
Schulz and Polak at Coburg for the rest of the season, Pettifer and Bowden as well
Keep Morton, Hughes and Reidwoldt playing with us
Schultz and Polak - 23 year old developing KPP at Coburg for the season? :-\
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lol ... seriously seriously people ...
who do we blame ???
i blame the players ...
full stop ...
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Our club needs to play these players till the end of the year in the hope that they may be worth something at the end of the year although that is unlikely.
RICHMOND NEEDS TO TANK!
RICHMOND NEEDS TO LOSE EVERY SINGLE GAME FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON!
RICHMOND NEEDS TO GET 3 TOP 20 PICKS.
Our future going forward depends on us doing this right. If we cant be disciplined enough to tank for 11 Weeks then we are dropkicks.
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Our club needs to play these players till the end of the year in the hope that they may be worth something at the end of the year although that is unlikely.
RICHMOND NEEDS TO TANK!
RICHMOND NEEDS TO LOSE EVERY SINGLE GAME FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON!
RICHMOND NEEDS TO GET 3 TOP 20 PICKS.
Our future going forward depends on us doing this right. If we cant be disciplined enough to tank for 11 Weeks then we are dropkicks.
ramps u have been saying this all year and im starting to feel the same way, slowly slowly.
what do we gain from beating minnows melbourne, essendon and perhaps carlton if we r lucky?
nothing thats what. square one!!
if we cant beat a top 10 side then we should tank. we have so much to gain if we do..
like i said unless we dont beat at least 2 top sides this year this year has been a complete waste, especially if we finish mid table
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In fairness to Hyde he did have a good May in run-with roles on similar body types to himself, the problem on Sunday is that he does not have the tools to go with a duel Brownlow Medallist with pace, height & flair. IMHO it was poor coaching to leave him on the spit as long as they did, because it was obvious that they did not have plan B, C or D. The ? vs Goodes debate was an interesting thread which had no real solution, other than Hyde would not be the preferred match-up yet Wallace went with it for 2-1/2 quarters.
Hyde will probably be sacrificed this week, however he has never been an elite midfield run-with player and was playing his best footy as an aggressive running goalkicking runner off the HB line taking the 4th or 5th midfielder, something that Raines, Cotchin, Jackson, Polo, Morton etc are well capable of in preference to Petts & Bowden or MacMahon.
RFC should continue to play youth and play boldly rather than take "safe" selection options on guys that have not produced consistent match winning contributions in their 8 years + at the club..
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In fairness to Hyde he did have a good May in run-with roles on similar body types to himself, the problem on Sunday is that he does not have the tools to go with a duel Brownlow Medallist with pace, height & flair. IMHO it was poor coaching to leave him on the spit as long as they did, because it was obvious that they did not have plan B, C or D. The ? vs Goodes debate was an interesting thread which had no real solution, other than Hyde would not be the preferred match-up yet Wallace went with it for 2-1/2 quarters.
Hyde will probably be sacrificed this week, however he has never been an elite midfield run-with player and was playing his best footy as an aggressive running goalkicking runner off the HB line taking the 4th or 5th midfielder, something that Raines, Cotchin, Jackson, Polo, Morton etc are well capable of in preference to Petts & Bowden or MacMahon.
RFC should continue to play youth and play boldly rather than take "safe" selection options on guys that have not produced consistent match winning contributions in their 8 years + at the club..
So what is Hydes role in the 22? A ok tagger, when he is tagging a small, not overly fast midfielder? Is that good enough from a mid20s player given our current state?
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So what is Hydes role in the 22? A ok tagger, when he is tagging a small, not overly fast midfielder? Is that good enough from a mid20s player given our current state?
Good question - Does Wallace & Chocko as midfield coach know ?
Pinch hitter & leader at Coburg would be a prime option, but how many good trainers do you keep on the list ? Hyde & Howat are 2 too many IMHO !!
IMHO, Hyde would be better qualifying for the VFL finals where he can make a more consistent contribution to RFC, but then again he might take votes from Tivva in the Liston.
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In fairness to Hyde he did have a good May in run-with roles on similar body types to himself, the problem on Sunday is that he does not have the tools to go with a duel Brownlow Medallist with pace, height & flair. IMHO it was poor coaching to leave him on the spit as long as they did, because it was obvious that they did not have plan B, C or D. The ? vs Goodes debate was an interesting thread which had no real solution, other than Hyde would not be the preferred match-up yet Wallace went with it for 2-1/2 quarters.
Hyde will probably be sacrificed this week, however he has never been an elite midfield run-with player and was playing his best footy as an aggressive running goalkicking runner off the HB line taking the 4th or 5th midfielder, something that Raines, Cotchin, Jackson, Polo, Morton etc are well capable of in preference to Petts & Bowden or MacMahon.
RFC should continue to play youth and play boldly rather than take "safe" selection options on guys that have not produced consistent match winning contributions in their 8 years + at the club..
Uh fair enough Hyde got owned by Goodes but he also got barely any of the ball himself.
He's been crap for three weeks straight after 2 good weeks.
Its time to go.
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Hyde and Petts needs to return to Coburg. They add no additional value to the team or structure. Other younger players can fill there roles and develop in confidence and ability with consistent experience. Players such as Polo, Jackson, Collins and Connors should be given time in this role over Hyde and Morton should take Petts role. That is a given.
Bowden is not fast, skilful or tall enough to successfully play as a half-forward/forward pocket. I hope Collard gains enough fitness and discipline to slot into this role eventually but until then we need Polak and Hughes filling this role. If neither work out here then move Polak to the backline and move Schulz forward. He would be better in our F50 now that he would not have to compete with the big Richo.
Tucky is filling a hole at the moment and will remain in his current role until we have someone with the size and strength to replace him. With Johnsons injury that will more than likely be quite some time yet.
I am all for have experience and size around the ground to support our developing youth but when the older players are being outplayed by our youth and offer little in the way of leadership - we need to make the tough call and prepare for our future.
Stripes
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Shultz played his best game for the club on Sunday
He worked hard for four quarters, and was rewarded with a goal at the end
He has improved a heap this year.
Some posters need to take of the blinkers and form opinions on observations as opposed to long held biases.
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l knocked Shultz last year & this year early saying his a good VFL player but not a AFL player
he has lifted his work rate this year & is performing better than others give credit
l gave him credit this weekend l seen half the game ;D & was stunned when Wallace benched him at one stage if the game
l think Shultz & many other players problems stem from not being coached properly & not knowing where they are going to play on gameday & get shuffled around all too often
l seriously beleive & l say this till they go is Wallace, Royal, Rawling, King, are not the ones to coach Richmond
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Shultz played his best game for the club on Sunday
He worked hard for four quarters, and was rewarded with a goal at the end
He has improved a heap this year.
Some posters need to take of the blinkers and form opinions on observations as opposed to long held biases.
no your credit credit where credit is due. he has not been one of our worst by any means.
against the swans i thought he, newy and lids were our best 3.
we have bigger problems at the minute than him, thats for sure
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Our club needs to play these players till the end of the year in the hope that they may be worth something at the end of the year although that is unlikely.
RICHMOND NEEDS TO TANK!
RICHMOND NEEDS TO LOSE EVERY SINGLE GAME FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON!
RICHMOND NEEDS TO GET 3 TOP 20 PICKS.
Our future going forward depends on us doing this right. If we cant be disciplined enough to tank for 11 Weeks then we are dropkicks.
Starting to agree.
Have beaten Carlton 11th Essendon 14th Freo 15th. Big deal in this years comp.
Carlton only are 1 win ahead of us as they have beaten Freo and Coll and lost to Essendon when everyone in footyland except this forum thought they were a top 4 team.
Just not up to it. Some good signs there for us but need to add depth to our list and early draft picks to ensure success in 3 to 4 years time otherwise we will go full circle under the tenure of Terry and the incumbent coach will inherit a list not as bad as what Spud left it but one that at best would be middle of road and will never ever bring home the ultimate glory.
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It's hard to see us losing every game when we have games against Melb x2, Ess, Freo as well as Carl and WC to come.
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It's hard to see us losing every game when we have games against Melb x2, Ess, Freo as well as Carl and WC to come.
Should see us around 9 wins and 11th or 12th on the ladder. Pretty well as expected.
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Our club needs to play these players till the end of the year in the hope that they may be worth something at the end of the year although that is unlikely.
RICHMOND NEEDS TO TANK!
RICHMOND NEEDS TO LOSE EVERY SINGLE GAME FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON!
RICHMOND NEEDS TO GET 3 TOP 20 PICKS.
Our future going forward depends on us doing this right. If we cant be disciplined enough to tank for 11 Weeks then we are dropkicks.
We're not going to make the 8, we're still nowhere near good enough to take on the big boys, 3 top 20 picks in '08.... make it happen Terry!!
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It's hard to see us losing every game when we have games against Melb x2, Ess, Freo as well as Carl and WC to come.
Should see us around 9 wins and 11th or 12th on the ladder. Pretty well as expected.
Yep that's more likely the scenario. We might drop one so finish 12th. Still a top 5 pick.
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We can finally add Tivs to the list of goodbyes too. Summed up by him being 55m out and instead of just kicking it long on his left which he can, he plays on and swings onto his right ??? and muffs the kick because he doesn't have a right foot :banghead. Add then his miss at the start of the game plus another shot he avoided on the run because it had to be kicked with his right foot and it's bye-bye time.
Petts surely has played his last game too. Continually running forward of the contest in the second half when we needed numbers at the fall of the ball as we were getting smashed at the stoppages and in the clearances :banghead.
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Yep Tivs will be back at Coburg for the rest of the year and may win the Liston Medal.
Petts should play the rest of the season so hopefully we can trade him at the end of the year. Seriously how does he get a game ahead of Morton and Jack????
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Petts trade value would be near zilch at the moment. You're right though TFL - doesn't deserve a game ahead of Morton or Jack who are the future.
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Yep Tivs will be back at Coburg for the rest of the year and may win the Liston Medal.
Petts should play the rest of the season so hopefully we can trade him at the end of the year. Seriously how does he get a game ahead of Morton and Jack????
Makes the decision to drop Morton just that much more bewildering. It was kids that got us up and running this season and yet we have gradually reintroduced every one of the old culprits over the past few weeks. If that doesn't scream out a message to the football department then nothing ever will.
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Yep Tivs will be back at Coburg for the rest of the year and may win the Liston Medal.
Petts should play the rest of the season so hopefully we can trade him at the end of the year. Seriously how does he get a game ahead of Morton and Jack????
Makes the decision to drop Morton just that much more bewildering. It was kids that got us up and running this season and yet we have gradually reintroduced every one of the old culprits over the past few weeks. If that doesn't scream out a message to the football department then nothing ever will.
Yep a reminder why they made the decision to dump them after round 3 in the first place.
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Tivs after this year should not be ever allowed to wear a Tiger guernsey again.
Bowden cheap stats and a real lack of effort. That effort in the last quarter on our fwd 50 Southern Stand side where he refused to bend over and pick up the ball was very lazy and indicative of him as a player. No leadership nothing. Funny Morton gets dropped and we suddenly revert back to garbage football last two weeks with Bowden in the side. I thought we got rid of the cancer but obviously it is back and we are in need of chemotherapy again.
Pettifer just too many errors and throw in Brown just taking over Bowdens role of getting cheap kicks and running past guys to get easy lay offs whilst relying on his skill to hide this. His work rate to chase and tackle is non existent. A blow torch on Browny also.
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I reckon Bowden has been good since his return in round 8.
He is tackling more than early in the season, too. A clever and classy player with a good football brain.
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I reckon Bowden has been good since his return in round 8.
He is tackling more than early in the season, too. A clever and classy player with a good football brain.
l'm watching the same footy as you Fishy, Joel Bowden is playing some good football
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I reckon Bowden has been good since his return in round 8.
He is tackling more than early in the season, too. A clever and classy player with a good football brain.
l'm watching the same footy as you Fishy, Joel Bowden is playing some good football
I will third that. Bowden is not the problem and should not be lumped with the other two. They are not in his class, have never been and will never be. Petts and Tivs just have to go and McMahon MUST be dropped also.
There are a few others that are not realy performing but with Thurstys Injury and the three above that would make 4 changes. More than that I never realy like to see in any one week.
I will wait until after todays game to see who should come in but Mitch and Jack would be my first choices.
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I reckon Bowden has been good since his return in round 8.
He is tackling more than early in the season, too. A clever and classy player with a good football brain.
l'm watching the same footy as you Fishy, Joel Bowden is playing some good football
I will third that. Bowden is not the problem and should not be lumped with the other two. They are not in his class, have never been and will never be. Petts and Tivs just have to go and McMahon MUST be dropped also.
There are a few others that are not realy performing but with Thurstys Injury and the three above that would make 4 changes. More than that I never realy like to see in any one week.
I will wait until after todays game to see who should come in but Mitch and Jack would be my first choices.
Yup Bowden has been ok, at least good enough to hold his spot even if his defensive intensity dropped a bit yesterday.
Streets ahead of Petts and Tivs though.
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well l truely think Pettifer is finished as well
Petts & Tiv looked afraid on the field yesterday & had no vision at all & tried to do too much at times when it was just not possible
Moore also lost at times & seemed slow off the mark against opponants, but will be safe because of Thursfield injury
Patto is starting to make some bad decisions & his skills are falling away maybe its time to blood the other ruckmen in cartledge & Graham
McMahon well his chase & stop, bad clangers rate & continued unaccountability of his opponant surely needs punishing
Punishment needs to be brought out on the training track to remind players thier playing elite football & are being pay to perform at the highest level & should give more of a effort
Tuesdays with Terry should be banned & more time put into coaching on the track & have a media ban put on all players & staff for the rest of the season :thumbsup
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well l truely think Pettifer is finished as well
Petts & Tiv looked afraid on the field yesterday & had no vision at all & tried to do too much at times when it was just not possible
Moore also lost at times & seemed slow off the mark against opponants, but will be safe because of Thursfield injury
Patto is starting to make some bad decisions & his skills are falling away maybe its time to blood the other ruckmen in cartledge & Graham
McMahon well his chase & stop, bad clangers rate & continued unaccountability of his opponant surely needs punishing
Punishment needs to be brought out on the training track to remind players thier playing elite football & are being pay to perform at the highest level & should give more of a effort
Tuesdays with Terry should be banned & more time put into coaching on the track & have a media ban put on all players & staff for the rest of the season :thumbsup
As per Sylvester in the other thread TM we cant play Cartledge due to no long term injuries to promote him to the senior list.
On the other hand big Gus is on the senior list so lets play him and give the injury affected Simmo a rest instead of killing him for the rest of the year. :thumbsup
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:thumbsup keep forgetting Cartledge is a rookie ;D
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Surely, Tivva would have to have had his papers stamped at AFL level after the non-performance yesterday, particularly when his VFL form has been very good.
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Leave Tivs in the side for the rest of the year. Let him say goodbye to us all with his cavalcade of whimsy. Petts can join as his sidekick so can Hyde. Some people think Bowden has been good personally I haven't but each to their own opinions. Leaving them in will hopefully ensure we remain on 3.5 wins and we get Natanui through our well deserved priority pick. Surely as the worst performed side in 26 years with only two finals app's we deserve the priority pick rather than giving it to a new franchise or a side who has won flags or another who has been fairly competitive during our slumber only to get it ahead of us only due to their recent failings. Use the system to advantage people. You'd find loopholes when doing your tax a month from now why should this be any different. The returns will be very profitable.
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Some people think Bowden has been good personally I haven't but each to their own opinions.
You're getting soft, HT. ;)
Took until the last quarter to see something through your Bowden blinkers to snipe him about. :D
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Some people think Bowden has been good personally I haven't but each to their own opinions.
You're getting soft, HT. ;)
Took until the last quarter to see something through your Bowden blinkers to snipe him about. :D
In reality Fishfinger all Tiger fans have the Bowden Blinkers on in some capacity. The thing that differs is some of us see an entirely different picture than the others when we have them on. Totally opposite ends of the scale either very very good or either very very bad I wouldn't call me going soft on him as I am very vehement in my opposition of him in the side and the fact that our poor results other than the Essendon game has more than coincided with his return in the side. You just can't keep on reiterating the same thing about the same person over and over again but that is my opinion of him. May not agree with some posters here and their opinions of him but as I said that is their own opinions and I respect that. We are all different. :thumbsup
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We actually started playing competitive football against the Dockers, Dogs, Hawks, Cats and Saints and with a bit of luck may have won at least two maybe three of those games. These games were played without your Pettifer's, Tivendale's and Bowden's but slowly they have been brought back and now we are starting to play like we did earlier this year, similar to previous years. Forget the Essendon game, they are crap and in fact the way we started we should have won by more than 10 goals. Our losers culture still exists and until we finally accept that these inept players need to be placed in the scrap heap the better. Wallace do yourself a favour and place some faith in the youth and they may surprise you again. Get rid of the players that can't improve us, NOW!!!! Remember all tigers supporters we have only been in two final series since 82. :'(
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We actually started playing competitive football against the Dockers, Dogs, Hawks, Cats and Saints and with a bit of luck may have won at least two maybe three of those games. These games were played without your Pettifer's, Tivendale's and Bowden's but slowly they have been brought back and now we are starting to play like we did earlier this year, similar to previous years. Forget the Essendon game, they are crap and in fact the way we started we should have won by more than 10 goals. Our losers culture still exists and until we finally accept that these inept players need to be placed in the scrap heap the better. Wallace do yourself a favour and place some faith in the youth and they may surprise you again. Get rid of the players that can't improve us, NOW!!!! Remember all tigers supporters we have only been in two final series since 82. :'(
Someone has bought the authentic Bowden Blinkers not the replicated cheap pair you get in Bali and Bangkok for $2 along with the Pettifer and Hyde shades. :thumbsup
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The sleeping giant may have awaken twice in the last 25 years but it only opened it's eyes for moment. It appears as though this same giant is now falling into a coma. Quick before we lose the pulse forever.
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i remember saying last year how much of a better player leon davis was compared to petts and got blasted by a few people on this forum.
where are you people now.
petts is not even 5% of the player leon is
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The sleeping giant may have awaken twice in the last 25 years but it only opened it's eyes for moment. It appears as though this same giant is now falling into a coma. Quick before we lose the pulse forever.
Quick, means get rid of the cancer thats currently there.
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Someone has bought the authentic Bowden Blinkers not the replicated cheap pair you get in Bali and Bangkok for $2
Hope they're not the same brand as the delusional blinkers you wore to round 22 in 1998. :)
I still shake my head at your claim (on more than one occasion) that just turned 20yo Bowden running across goal and getting caught by Neitz cost us the game. :nope We were smashed from start to finish all over the ground and lost by 13 goals yet you managed to single him out.
That's dedication to your anti-Bowden cause.
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Someone has bought the authentic Bowden Blinkers not the replicated cheap pair you get in Bali and Bangkok for $2
Hope they're not the same brand as the delusional blinkers you wore to round 22 in 1998. :)
I still shake my head at your claim (on more than one occasion) that just turned 20yo Bowden running across goal and getting caught by Neitz cost us the game. :nope We were smashed from start to finish all over the ground and lost by 13 goals yet you managed to single him out.
That's dedication to your anti-Bowden cause.
Ok Fishfinger I will justify my case here it is
This in a game we needed to lose by no more than 4 goals to keep Essendon from making the finals.
Dees kick 5.5 to 1.2 in 1st quarter including 3 goals in opening 5 minutes. Somehow we restrict the bleeding to 27 points at quarter time. Somehow against the flow we scrounge our way back into the game and by time on in the second quarter are looking good with more of the play and trail by 11 points when a suicidal run from the members 50 city end goal towards centre half back ignoring options is thwarted by a Neitz tackle. Goal dees out to a 4.3 to 6.8 lead their one and only goal of the quarter but in the context of the game and our season very defining. Every head wearing black and yellow drops. Momentum shifts never to return Dees get two more points to go in at half time 19 points up and give us a temporary respite from the 13.9 to 4.6 barrage we endure in our second half to end our season. If all Bowden lovers can talk about his 1997 game when he kicked 4 goals in a quarter as a 19 year old then your skin also needs to be a little thicker when reference is made to the 20 y.o Bowden's calamitous momentum shifting error. You know the one Bowden does gets caught from behind as he's running in slow motion like its his God given right to have the remainder of the quarter to dispose of the footy. I can actually recall a similar thing occurred in rd 2 2004 ironically against Melbourne in the second quarter also but the margin at the time was much greater than in the 1998 game when that incident occurred so although not game changing was still quite poor nonetheless from a so called senior player with skill poise calmness. Must be prepared to talk about the good and the bad with Bowden. The man is at his best when the pressure is off and the result of the game is either meaningless in the long term, or well established and entrenched by that stage of the game. The sooner he is gone the better. Play the kids let him take votes off Tivendale for the Liston Medal at Coburg as well as the Burger best and fairest.
Round 22 1998 Sunday August 30
Melbourne 5 5 35 6 10 46 12 15 87 19 19 133
Richmond 1 2 8 4 3 27 6 9 45 8 9 57
Still remember the game and that incident lucidly like it happened 30 minutes ago. Each to their own opinion as I shake my head just as vigorously to those that ark up with regards to Joel as if he is some sort of untouchable and team superman. :thumbsup
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Sticking up for Bowden against fanciful bagging does not equate to being a Bowden lover. Nice attempt at subterfuge.
I'm a fan of RFC, so I'm a Bowden fan. To me, that's what being a fan and supporter is. I don't talk about his 4 goals as a 19yo though, and if I did it certainly wouldn't be all I could talk about.
I don't understand you not liking Bowden but, as you've said, everyone is different.
Seems to me you watch him just to note any mistakes he makes. All players make mistakes.
No matter what your opinion of him is, he is dual All-Australian and dual RFC Best & Fairest. It's in the record books.
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He is a dual best and fairest rightly or wrongly noone can take that away from him and good luck to him. I merely do not like the way he goes about his business and I am just as critical on other players. Libba and Woewodin are Brownlow Medallists too noone can take that away from them either doesn't mean they are superstars or competent. In their cases they perhaps were fortunate just like Joel was in 04 a season where the quality of the list was as awful as the list we were watching and 05 where eventually the quality of our list and an unfortunate Brown injury stifled any momentum we had and horribly exposed us. That is not to say that on game day if Bowden kicks a goal or saves a goal I won't clap it or cheer it as yes you are right in mentioning we are all Tigers at heart and our sole purpose is to see the Tigers win as with his goal in the 3rd quarter from 50 yesterday. However just as I publicly cheer a goal I will privately cringe with derision at those half hearted and laxadazical efforts he has come up with in his career.
We all have to however get over the fact of what he has achieved in his career rightly or wrongly and stop being sentimental and begin to think logically now.
What good will Bowden give the team if he has not got a position up forward, and is not kicking goals, applying pressure and showing leadership up fwd something which I feel he has not possessed throughout his career, then the Club must unequivocally make the hard but correct decision and get rid of him. Terry can't talk about reinventing him and then throwing him back into the backline into the role he has played in the last 4 seasons. That is weak as pee we need to develop Thursty and Moore and Rance now. Not so hard if the decision lay with me. We must have to think of the team first and the future of the footy club. Is it coincidence that the team was playing well, against top 8 opposition mind you, when Bowden was out. For me the decision is obvious and one that the Coaching Team must have the guts and balls to make. When Terry finally made the call and bit the bullet after media and public pressure and finally so and his abscence lasted for a month I am sure you were happy with the way we were playing and the game time the kids were getting also. The answer is simple its time for players of the ilk of Bowden to go. He has had his chance and is no longer worth any value. Time for him to go as he won't help the club going forward. The sooner this is implemented the better.
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This is where I have a problem. Me biting stems from your personal attack on him back in December.
You make out that your opinion is fact. It's just an opinion. An opinion I don't share.
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And that is your right Fishfinger and I respect that hence I am not personal towards you . I don't state its fact nor am I looking for recognition or support as it is my opinion of him and I am merely trying to present a cogent argument to support my claims. We don't see eye to eye on this but that's okay we both come from two different schools of thought. Doesn't make you or me any less/more of a Richmond fan. I have this same argument with my mate who I go to the footy with each week for nearly 20 years. No dramas champ nothing personal towards you or anybody. Like I said we all have different opinions :thumbsup
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Goodbye - Joel Bowden, Chris Hyde and Kayne Pettifer
Full Stop!
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Mark Robinson's blog today
After the weekend’s loss to Adelaide, should Richmond drop Kayne Pettifer, Greg Tivendale and Joel Bowden?
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/afl/ourteam/index.php/heraldsun/comments/should_this_trio_of_tigers_be_dropped/
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Like most players who have been at the club long enough, Joel Bowden has been Richmond-ified and is merely a product of the environment he’s been in all these years. To me, he seems comfortable with himself as a player, and seems to lack any motivation or ambition to become a better player than he is. The past has a lot to answer for, but from a perception point of view, the present system doesn’t appear to promote a proactive side to JB, or any other player, that is sustained long term.
Seeing him in the VFL a few weeks ago, I wondered what made TW select him the following week to play for Richmond? JB can play at that level standing on his ear, so what is the challenge for him there? And what did they see in him that wasn’t there prior to his VFL stint?
Judging by his AFL games since, there is no real difference, except that he’s playing further up the ground. So did they expect that playing him in the VFL would suddenly transform him or something? And why expect that competition to do what they could not do at AFL level?
It doesn’t come across that the RFC ‘system’ is based on working ‘with’ players, but instead relies on asking, demanding and telling players to do this and be that. Otherwise, where’s the evidence to suggest that they provide players with the tools to change anything and instill in them the traits that can help and motivate them to become better players?
It just seems that the current style of ‘coaching’ creates an ‘us’ (coaches) versus ‘them’ (players) environment and could be de-motivating and also place added pressure on some players to perform, as if there’s not enough on them already.
This sort of approach would seem unhealthy and not conducive to developing players and promoting in them initiative, ambition, self-motivation, confidence and pride.
My concern is a player like Trent Cotchin, who stands out so much, and seems to have more purpose, intensity and urgency in his game than any other of our players out there.
I just hope and pray that he is able to maintain that drive, and doesn’t allow himself to become an unfulfilled talent, like so many Richmond players before him.
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The club never put the necessary resources ($$$) into development areas so I guess you get what you pay for :-\. It also comes down to the player himself too. Why does Axel rated as only worth a rookie spot have that absolute drive to get the best out of himself and the want to be an elite player?! Why isn't he mired by mediocrity?!
I always felt Joel never was the same player after breaking his collarbones when he was younger. When he first arrived on the scene he liked the contested stuff. I also think he was played out of position for almost all of his career and only now when it's too late and he's slowed down is he tried up forward. The expectations as a youngster were also over the top - "the next Hird" and all that. I guess we still place unrealistic expectations on our youngsters before they even play a game and then are critical when they fail to reach them.