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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 17, 2008, 01:14:21 PM
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VFL Round 11
Coburg Tigers vs Casey Scorpions
Sunday June 22 @ ABD Group Stadium (Coburg City Oval)
Ressies: 11:10 PM
Seniors: 2:00 PM
nb. No broadcast this week
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Really need this one after the slip up in Tassie if we want top 4. :pray
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might wonder down take a look at Meyer and hopefully Cogs.
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Casey is a game ahead in 2nd spot so a 8-point game this Sunday. A good win (40 pts) would see us sneak into the top 4. The main thing is the Burgers win after the stuff-up in Tassie. There won't be the 12/10 rule ths week so Collard should be playing.
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Team for game against Casey
Coburg Tigers
B: Meyer Silvester Keogh
HB: Tivendale Rance Horne
C: Raines Carnell Pettifer
HF: Edwards Currie Shelton
F: Connors Graham Schulz
R: Cartledge N. Caruso Howat
Int: Carrick Corr Rayson
F. Caruso Collard Liddle Casserly
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-118-0-0-0&sID=54560&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=5665290§ionID=54560
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Good to see Collard is back after 12/10 rules forced him out last week. :clapping
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Yep great to see Collard back in the side. Meyer, Cass and Rainesy will be better for the run last week. Cam is a good VFL player so he'll strengthen the Burgers midfield coming back into the side after the 12/10 rule. Sarge will need to have a strong performance up forward for his and Coburg's sake.
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Dal Santo and Milne playing for Casey.
They will be hard to beat.
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Would appreciate some player reports (longer than 6 words if possible) Haven't had a proper Coburg fix for a while now ;)
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Dal Santo and Milne playing for Casey.
They will be hard to beat.
Great timing they get dropped this week :P.
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Geez, got a tough week to go up against Casey with The Aints looking to make a statement.
Would like to see the Burgers return the favour with an emphatic performance, however the forward line looks a lot less mobile without the Cleaver & Jack presenting.
Would hope that the midfield (yes that includes you Kayne Pettifer) work hard for both the offensive & defensive aspects to reduce Casey's scoring ability.
Graham at Full Forward :o is a tad top heavy.
Would like to hear of a comitted 4 quarter effort and some tactical nous from the box, and will be very interested in Coburg observer's views.
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Any way of finding the reserves team selection to see if Cogs is playing?
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TFL may know the ressie side Infamy if he logs on tonight.
Btw Casey only have 11 St Kilda players in their line-up even with Milne and Dal Santo in the side:
B Miles Silvagni Taylor
HB Garrubba Wall Panozza
C Matthews Birss L. Fisher
HF Howard R. Clarke Dunne
F Parker Waite Milne
R Rix Fiora Dal Santo
Int Galvin, Vernon, Haretuku, O'Bryan, Mercoulia, McDonald, Steven
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Cogs not playing this week
B Clifton Riddle Vasilevski
HB McErlain Gourdis Davis
C Simpson Collins Rayson
HF De Sousa Putt Gazzo
F Jones Dulic Jordon
R Foster Corr Caruso
Int Bramich Groves Cattapan
Abdallah Clingan
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Cogs not playing this week
B Clifton Riddle Vasilevski
HB McErlain Gourdis Davis
C Simpson Collins Rayson
HF De Sousa Putt Gazzo
F Jones Dulic Jordon
R Foster Corr Caruso
Int Bramich Groves Cattapan
Abdallah Clingan
No Sam Robertson ?? Injured ?
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Cogs not playing this week
B Clifton Riddle Vasilevski
HB McErlain Gourdis Davis
C Simpson Collins Rayson
HF De Sousa Putt Gazzo
F Jones Dulic Jordon
R Foster Corr Caruso
Int Bramich Groves Cattapan
Abdallah Clingan
Didn't they say Cogs would be a few weeks away from returning? More like next week if he's okay.
Collo has paid a hefty price for one poor game last week ???. He's more part of our future than Howat is.
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Cogs not playing this week
B Clifton Riddle Vasilevski
HB McErlain Gourdis Davis
C Simpson Collins Rayson
HF De Sousa Putt Gazzo
F Jones Dulic Jordon
R Foster Corr Caruso
Int Bramich Groves Cattapan
Abdallah Clingan
Didn't they say Cogs would be a few weeks away from returning? More like next week if he's okay.
Collo has paid a hefty price for one poor game last week ???. He's more part of our future than Howat is.
That's not always the way that things work MT, Josh Riddle isnt playing this week due to injury so Gourdis will be playing FB i would imagine. Dulic will most likely go back also in the absence of Will Smith (Inj) and Keogh (Seniors)
Injuries have really started to hit Coburg and the depth is being tested. Abdallah will play his first game this week.
Also good to see Paul Currie playing his first senior game of the season this week also.
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Bump
Do we have anybody feeding us the scores today?
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I'm finding out now.
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WP said Coburg Ressies won by a lazy 21 goals.
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WP said Coburg Ressies won by a lazy 21 goals.
I might be pushing my luck but how did young Rhett Jordon go?
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The Coburg ressie details haven't been posted on the VFL site yet.
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QT
Coburg 2.3-15
Casey 5.3-33
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From WP:
"Yes (we're struggling). Last 12 minutes better in 1st. Jay a goal & ok. No other bests. Poor start. Look very flat."
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Half-time
Coburg 2.3 4.5-29
Casey 5.3 12.7-79
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2008 VFL Reserves
Coburg Tigers 5.9 13.9 19.15 25.17 (167)
Casey Scorpions 0.0 2.2 4.2 6.5 (41)
GOALS:
Coburg Tigers: Gazzo 5 De Sousa 5 Caruso 4 Corr 3 Putt 2 Jordon 2 Rayson Foster Abdallah Jones
Casey Scorpions: Mercoulia MacLeod Youle Matheson Lastrina Galvin
BEST:
Coburg Tigers: Caruso Corr Simpson Collins De Sousa Gazzo
Casey Scorpions: Mercoulia Crespin Galvin Terry Snow Hinton
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Is anyone firing a shot at all for Coburg, anyone having a real dip?
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From WP:
"Jay has 2 goals - working hard. That's about it. Tiv good again."
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66 - 106
Schulz has 3, Collard 1.
WP says Silvester is the best at this stage.
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The 3rd quarter went for 40 minutes :o
The actual 3/4 time square is
Coburg 2.3 4.5 10.12-72
Casey 5.3 12.7 16.10-106
So 34 points down.
WP said Silvester, Jay and Tivs are the best for the Burgers and not much after that.
Collo got a fair bit of the ball in the quarter and a half WP saw of the ressies so he did okay. Hard to look bad in a team that wins by 20 goals.
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is there a final score?
If you can find out how Rance and Conners went - greatly appreciated.
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Final Score
Coburg Tigers 2.3 4.5 10.12 14.14 (98)
Casey Scorpions 5.3 12.7 16.10 23.13 (151)
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I can't figure out what is wrong with Coburg, no passion ?
Maybe with the 50/50 it just aint working and we should go alone and that would be fine by me as long as we dont play at Craigeburn 1/2 the games would have to be punt road.....
The list is better than that, how did dalsanto and river rat go ?
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GOALS:
Coburg Tigers: Schulz 5 Pettifer 2 Howat 2 Carnell Tivendale Connors Collard Horne
BEST:
Coburg Tigers: Carrick Carnell Schulz Graham Silvester Keogh
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I felt for a while now that RFC should ditch coburg and go it alone. Seriously, how much development would Collins and Gourdis et al. be getting playing Coburg 2s.
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A bit disappointing not to see Conners and Rance in bests.
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Second half against Tassie 6 goals up and we lose and now this.
Could be a psyche thing from last week that they brought into this week, could be all the kids now playing at Richmond this week Clever Polo and hence a drop in performance and a loss of depth? Who knows. How did Connors go?
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I felt for a while now that RFC should ditch coburg and go it alone. Seriously, how much development would Collins and Gourdis et al. be getting playing Coburg 2s.
Nice in theory, but who's going to pay for it?
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the club should find sponsors to pay for it.
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With Jack, Cleve and Morton in the seniors, the Coburg forward line is signficantly weaker. Jack averages 5, Morton 3 and Cleve around 3 too.
The Scorpions also had Dal Santo and Milne playing. Milne kicked 4.
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v3/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=8&pg=1&a=MR_
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The boys were very pumped today before the game, just werent good enough.
Casey outplayed Coburg pretty much all day, even with basically only two on the bench all day.
Milne played fairly well and Dal Santo had a very tough day at the office with Carnell tagging him all day. He would have been happy once the game was over.
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WP sms:
"Connors good 2nd half.
Rance ok in patches.
WP's bests: Silvester, Horne, Tiv, Carrick, Schulz (with 5 goals)."
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the club should find sponsors to pay for it.
Sounds so simple, makes you wonder why everyone hasn't done it.....
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sponsors arent easy to find ;D
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Coburg is now 6th on % and two games out of the top 4.
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It costs at least 500k to run an independent VFL side IIRC. That kind of money is another major sponsor's worth. I'd rather that kind of money be put into recruiting and facilities where is needed more.
The Richmond forward line yesterday was effectively the Coburg one 12 months ago so that's drained Coburg's stocks. No Polo, Jacko, White or JON either.
Could some who went give a quick run down on how each RFC player did? Especially Meyer, Cass, Rainesy and Edwards.
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all of them chimed in but none stood out. none were bad just none were good either.
that goes for the whole team.
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where is Gourdis ?
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where is Gourdis ?
Played Coburg Reserves
all of them chimed in but none stood out. none were bad just none were good either.
that goes for the whole team.
Flat as tacks in the hirst qtr and a half..... worst game of the year IMHO
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Nick Carnell has publicly taken exception to media reports Dal Santo played very well yesterday. He said he heard Dal Santo only had 12 possessions; not the 19 reported. He questioned how the numbers could be so different. He also thought he did a fairly good job of tagging Dal Santo despite Fiora, Birss and Fisher constantly blocking him. Even said Jay told him he did a good job. He spoke to Brady Rawlings before the game to get some tagging tips.
SEN claimed Carnell went public because he wants to be picked up by an AFL club.
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Fair enough too if that is true!
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Yup fair call.
I heard Carnell absolutely killed him and yet the media reports said otherwise. :-\ :shh
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Nick Carnell has publicly taken exception to media reports Dal Santo played very well yesterday. He said he heard Dal Santo only had 12 possessions; not the 19 reported. He questioned how the numbers could be so different. He also thought he did a fairly good job of tagging Dal Santo despite Fiora, Birss and Fisher constantly blocking him. Even said Jay told him he did a good job. He spoke to Brady Rawlings before the game to get some tagging tips.
SEN claimed Carnell went public because he wants to be picked up by an AFL club.
I don't blame him. If he does have AFL ambitions then playing against Dal Santo would be a huge opportunity to show what he could do. If he did a good job but then the stupid media misreported it, for whatever reason, that would be very disappointing and very unfair.
Good on him for standing up for himself.
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Nick Carnell played a super game yestersday.
Has been outstanding all season! Tremendous leader too :clapping
And I humbly apologise for not mentioning that in my SMS to MT yesterday with my bests.
Texting is not one of my best skills :P
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Nick Carnell played a super game yestersday.
Has been outstanding all season! Tremendous leader too :clapping
And I humbly apologise for not mentioning that in my SMS to MT yesterday with my bests.
Texting is not one of my best skills :P
How many possessions did you thing Dal got WP?
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Texting is not one of my best skills :P
That makes two of us ;D. Your smses are always much appreciated WP :thumbsup :bow :cheers.
Is Carnell worth a rookie spot?
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Carnell well and truly had the better of Dal Santo. He gave him basically nothing all day and when Dal Santo did get the ball most times it was under pressure and he added little value to the teams performance yesterday.
Carners is a real terrior and always sets himself for the task at hand. Everytime he ran back onto the ground with Dal he would constantly bump into him and kept letting Dal know that he wasnt going to let up.
Dal Santo would have been very happy once the final siren went.
VFL clubs are well known for including AFL listed players in their best when they are far from it, sometimes you only read what they want you to read. Be no surprise to see Dal Santo straight back into the team next week.
As for a rookie spot, i think Nick would be close to warranting a pre-season. He works extremely hard and is very dedicated. He also works the other way and gets his own ball at times.
Gave big Rix a nice bump in the middle of the ground yesterday and he was very groggy!!!
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How many possessions did you thing Dal got WP?
I don't know tigersalive...
But I can honestly say I didn't notice Dal Santo that much. I wasn't standing there thinking to myself "who's on bloody Dal Santo" ;D I don't remember him doing anything over brillant.
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VFL clubs are well known for including AFL listed players in their best when they are far from it, sometimes you only read what they want you to read.
Coburg too? lol
Carnell trained with us before the 2006 drafts IIRC but was overlooked in favour of Kingy. Just wondering if he's improved since then to get another shot.
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How many possessions did you thing Dal got WP?
I don't know tigersalive...
But I can honestly say I didn't notice Dal Santo that much. I wasn't standing there thinking to myself "who's on bloody Dal Santo" ;D I don't remember him doing anything over brillant.
Was listening on SEN this afternoon. 12 I think seemed to be the logical consensus however there were stories brought up of a 19 possie game as well as a 23 posession game that included 6 behinds. :lol :rollin :lol
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Some stats from the Herald-Sun
Richmond-listed forward Jay Schulz was the main focal point in attack for the Tigers with five majors, while Kayne Pettifer kicked two from 19 touches.
Andrew Raines and Greg Tivendale played in the midfield and had 50 disposals between them.
"They ran much harder than us and they won every contested ball or 50-50 and they capitalised on our errors," Coburg coach Jade Rawlings said.
Rawlings said he was pleased with Carnell's job on Dal Santo.
"We put a lot of time into Nick Dal Santo and we were really happy with his game," Rawlings said.
"Carnell is showing every week that he can play on the good players."
Rawlings also rebutted talk a line had been drawn through the names of veterans Tivendale and Pettifer at Richmond.
"I'm on the match committee and I know we haven't put a line through any player," Rawlings said.
"I'm sure they will fight back."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23905608-19895,00.html
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Match Report Vs. Casey Scorpions
coburgtigers.com.au
Coburg faced up against the Casey Scorpions this week at ABD Group Stadium. Although the Burgers were the home side Casey were moderate favourites heading into the match as they sat second on the ladder with only three losses. A large crowd attended, as it was well reported in the media that St Kilda guns Nick Dal Santo and Steven Milne were playing for Casey.
As it turned out the Scorpions were a much classier outfit on the day, running away with a fifty-three point victory.
Coburg were competitive in the first term, but Casey got on top late in the quarter and converted that onto the scoreboard creating a handy three goal buffer at the first change. Angus Graham started well and played a solid game in the ruck and around the ground, while James Keogh saw a lot of the ball in only his third game for the senior side.
¼ Time: Coburg 2.3 (15) Casey 5.3 (33)
With Cleve Hughes elevated into the Richmond side, (Coburg’s chief goal kicker for the past month), the Burgers had to change their forward line set up. Cleve Hughes actually played a fantastic game for Richmond booting 6 goals in their tight win over Port Adelaide.
After playing the majority of the season with Coburg in the back half, Jay Schultz moved up forward again, and with great success. The big man was strong in the air and finished the game with five majors, and was one of the Burgers best players.
However the second term was one of Coburg’s worst for the year. They only managed to score two goals, whilst the Scorpions helped themselves to another seven majors and a very healthy fifty point lead at the main break.
½ Time: Coburg 4.5 (29) Casey 12.7 (79)
Although the Coburg side were faced with a hefty margin running out at half time, the boys fought back well in the third term kicking six goals. They could have closed the gap even more at three quarter time had it not been for inaccurate kicking. Jarrod Silvester got on top of his opponent and cleared the ball well out of the backline.
Glen Carrick, playing in only his fourth game for the season, was fantastic for the Burgers. The little fella was often found at the bottom of a pack and was Coburg’s best player on the day. He was well supported by Nick Carnell who was his usual classy self, with a stack of clearances and tackles.
¾ Time: Coburg 10.12 (72) Casey 16.10 (106)
There was still a little sniff of a victory in the final term for the Burgers, but the Scorpions were quick to put an end to that as they finished the final term strongly with seven goals. Jay Schultz kicked 5 majors for the match, while Kayne Pettifer and Cam Howat added a couple of goals each as well.
One major positive to take out of the game was Coburg matched it with the Scorpions in the second half, only losing it by three points.
The Burgers still sit in sixth spot on the ladder with a very healthy percentage of 114% and face Frankston at Frankston Oval this Sunday beginning at 2pm; the reserves start at 11.10am.
Coburg Tigers 2.3 4.5 10.12 14.14 (98)
Casey Scorpions 5.3 12.7 16.10 23.13 (151)
Goal Kickers: J. Schulz 5, K. Pettifer 2, C. Howat 2, G. Tivendale, N. Carnell, A. Horne, D. Connors, C. Collard
Best Players: G. Carrick, N. Carnell, J. Schulz, A. Graham, J. Silvester, J. Keogh
RESERVES
The reserves continued on with their excellent season with a very comfortable 126 point win over Casey.
After another very inaccurate first quarter the Coburg boys really straightened up in the second term booting eight straight goals without a miss. The result was clearly beyond doubt after half time and the Burgers went on to record another hundred point thumping, this time winning by 126 points.
Jake De Sousa and Joe Gazzo kicked ten goals between them, while Fort Caruso was best on ground also contributing four goals.
Coburg Tigers 5.9 13.9 19.15 25.17 (167)
Casey Scorpions 0.0 2.2 4.2 6.5 (41)
Goal Kickers: J. De Sousa 5, J. Gazzo 5, F. Caruso 4, C. Corr 3, D. Putt 2, R. Jordon 2, S. Foster, D. Rayson, T. Abdallah, J. Jones
Best Players: F. Caruso, C. Corr, T. Simpson, A. Collins, J. De Sousa, J. Gazzo
http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?client=1-118-10471-0-0&sID=56260&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=5711173§ionID=56260
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That is a ridiculous reserves side with Collins, Gazzo and Fort all playing ressies.
No wonder they're smashing everyone who gets in their way.
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That is a ridiculous reserves side with Collins, Gazzo and Fort all playing ressies.
No wonder they're smashing everyone who gets in their way.
Agree TA and it's not as if Coburg seniors are winning and keeping them out either. Collins shouldn't be playing VFL ressies.
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Who's spot are they going to take?
Its hard when many of these players play the same position, you can only have so many of the same type in the team.
Joey Gazzo was playing his first game back from injury also.
Collins is still very much 50/50 in regards to if he will make it or not IMO.
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But TFL, Collins had been in the Coburg side for most of the year. He was also showing some promising signs playing consecutive weeks in the Coburg seniors until they made him an emergency for Richmond where he ended up not playing at all. Then IIRC Coburg had a bye the following week and they brought him back via the VFL ressies and then to the VFL seniors. Collo might have had a poor game against Tassie but the selection process with him over the last month hasn't helped his confidence IMO.
As for who he comes in for - I would've thought a 19 year old on our senior list would get preference over a 23 y.o. 'rookie' in his 3rd year who hasn't progressed from VFL level and more than likely will be cut this year.
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Some stats from Rawlings in EOTT:
Connors - 24 disposals, 11 marks, 3 tackles
Howat - 27 disposals, 2 goals
Petts - 19 disposals, 2 goals. Committed his body
Graham - best game for the year.
Schulz - Coburg's best player with 5.2.
Tivs - solid.
The rest were average and/or had minimal impact.