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Richmond veterans to play on
Caroline Wilson | August 22, 2008
RICHMOND veterans Kane Johnson and Joel Bowden have both confirmed they will play on in 2009 although Johnson has indicated he will wait until the end of the season to reach a decision with the Tigers over the club's captaincy.
Having overcome some early season doubts about his 30-year-old body standing up to the rigours of another season, Johnson is on the verge of signing a one-year deal but is understood to have indicated he would look at handing over the captaincy after four years in the job.
Bowden, also 30, is about to come to terms with the club on a one-year deal, which guarantees there will be no high-profile retirements at Tigerland this year with reigning club champion Matthew Richardson, 33, having also signed a one-year deal with the club last month. The Tigers other 30-year-olds, Nathan Brown and Troy Simmonds, are both contracted next year.
"Kane and I have had regular discussions on where he's at and I've told him I'm very keen for him to play on," coach Terry Wallace told The Age. "Anything further on the subject is up to him.
"While the season's on, Kane is our leader but at the end of the season we'll sit down and talk about it again and see where he sits with it and, if he has any issues, then it becomes a club matter."
Johnson took over the captaincy in Wallace's first season and, while he remains one of the competition's lower-profile leaders, the club has been delighted with the influential role he has played in the development of the younger group.
Mortified earlier this season after he was caught intoxicated and urinating outside Victorian Police headquarters in St Kilda Road, Johnson suspended himself for a week and offered to quit the captaincy but was talked out of it. Moving from a midfield role to the half-forward line has proved a successful strategy both for Johnson's body and his form, which has been good particularly during the second half of the season.
Should Johnson indicate the captaincy be passed on, Chris Newman probably would be narrow favourite to take the position over Nathan Foley. The prevailing view at Richmond is that emerging debutant Trent Cotchin is in the box seat to become a long-term captain of the club once the top draft pick reaches his early 20s.
Bowden's future looked shaky when he was dropped with Kane Pettifer for four games after struggling with the defensive side of his game but the dual best and fairest winner has returned with a vengeance and has played pivotal roles in three of the club's heart-stopping victories.
He has also indicated to the club his determination to play on next season.
Johnson will lead the Tigers in tomorrow's must-win clash against Fremantle at the MCG. A victory would see Richmond's finals hopes remain alive following its wooden spoon in 2007. Richmond's last game is also at the MCG against Melbourne.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/richmond-veterans-to-play-on/2008/08/21/1219262414255.html
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Nurse, smelling salts for Ox lol
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;D wanted man Joel :thumbsup by several clubs, Tigers will pay him well for his services ;D he deserves every cent he gets cause his a champion player & the young blokes look up too him :bow
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This is poor list management imho. One of the two should have been retired this year. The club will make the mistake of losing all its old players in one hit. This is a bad decision. Infact there was a serious argument that both players should have been retired.
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Bowden most definightly he's a proven champ. Sugar I bloody hope not, especially as captain. He doesn't deserve the job, go back to where you came from is all I can say. I can see bowden helping out the young ones on what and how to position themselves on the feild.
But Sugar has nothing to add to the team.
Now if we put a hat in and everyone put in to show him we no long need him will he take the money and leave and never come back. I'll put in just to see his ugly butt walk out the door.
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We still need them both. We are still a year or 2 from the kids being able to stand on their own 2 feet and mix it with the big boys. They still need a measure of protection and guidance and if we get rid of all our experienced, harder bodies too early then it will set us back by a couple of years. One year contracts for all these guys (Richo included) is terrific list management at this point in time and suits both the club and player perfectly. If we find that the older bodies struggle next year (a la Tivendale this year) then it will do no harm and probably a lot of good for them to finish the year off at Coburg helping the babies down there in their development but if they stand up and play the season in the seniors then (a) we must have needed them and (b) our bigger kids will benefit by the extra year of 'protection' and growth.
Win win.
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All our older players are desperately trying to hold onto the coat-tails of the up and coming young players in hope of finally seeing the success that they themselves failed to deliver.
Bowden and Johnson can see the writing on the wall. Johnson has had an average couple of seasons with a few good games thrown in but is certainly no inspirational leader and is being outplayed by most of our developing midfielders already. Bowden has had years of negative, inadequete, unaccountable, meaningless possession acquiring with a few well timed acts that saved us some games. Without these acts he would be well and truly gone.
I agree with you Ramps, dependent upon injuries and form - Bowden should have gone this year(2009), Richo and Johnson next (2010)and Browny and maybe even Simmo the year after (2011) that.
I just hope we don't delist a young player such as Meyer, Casserly or even Cogs to keep these two for just another season or two.
Stripes
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All our older players are desperately trying to hold onto the coat-tails of the up and coming young players in hope of finally seeing the success that they themselves failed to deliver.
Bowden and Johnson can see the writing on the wall. Johnson has had an average couple of seasons with a few good games thrown in but is certainly no inspirational leader and is being outplayed by most of our developing midfielders already. Bowden has had years of negative, inadequete, unaccountable, meaningless possession acquiring with a few well timed acts that saved us some games. Without these acts he would be well and truly gone.
I agree with you Ramps, dependent upon injuries and form - Bowden should have gone this year(2009), Richo and Johnson next (2010)and Browny and maybe even Simmo the year after (2011) that.
I just hope we don't delist a young player such as Meyer, Casserly or even Cogs to keep these two for just another season or two.
Stripes
another b.u.lls.hit post on Bowden
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We still need them both. We are still a year or 2 from the kids being able to stand on their own 2 feet and mix it with the big boys. They still need a measure of protection and guidance and if we get rid of all our experienced, harder bodies too early then it will set us back by a couple of years. One year contracts for all these guys (Richo included) is terrific list management at this point in time and suits both the club and player perfectly. If we find that the older bodies struggle next year (a la Tivendale this year) then it will do no harm and probably a lot of good for them to finish the year off at Coburg helping the babies down there in their development but if they stand up and play the season in the seniors then (a) we must have needed them and (b) our bigger kids will benefit by the extra year of 'protection' and growth.
Win win.
Agree smokey
One year deals for players of this age are the way to go
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All our older players are desperately trying to hold onto the coat-tails of the up and coming young players in hope of finally seeing the success that they themselves failed to deliver.
Bowden and Johnson can see the writing on the wall. Johnson has had an average couple of seasons with a few good games thrown in but is certainly no inspirational leader and is being outplayed by most of our developing midfielders already. Bowden has had years of negative, inadequete, unaccountable, meaningless possession acquiring with a few well timed acts that saved us some games. Without these acts he would be well and truly gone.
I agree with you Ramps, dependent upon injuries and form - Bowden should have gone this year(2009), Richo and Johnson next (2010)and Browny and maybe even Simmo the year after (2011) that.
I just hope we don't delist a young player such as Meyer, Casserly or even Cogs to keep these two for just another season or two.
Stripes
another b.u.lls.hit post on Bowden
I just call it as I see it big fellow. ;D
As I have said to you before I think Bowden has had a few good games which have saved his skin but until those games he was a liability rather than an asset.
Sorry if that opinion upsets you :P
Stripes
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We still need them both. We are still a year or 2 from the kids being able to stand on their own 2 feet and mix it with the big boys. They still need a measure of protection and guidance and if we get rid of all our experienced, harder bodies too early then it will set us back by a couple of years. One year contracts for all these guys (Richo included) is terrific list management at this point in time and suits both the club and player perfectly. If we find that the older bodies struggle next year (a la Tivendale this year) then it will do no harm and probably a lot of good for them to finish the year off at Coburg helping the babies down there in their development but if they stand up and play the season in the seniors then (a) we must have needed them and (b) our bigger kids will benefit by the extra year of 'protection' and growth.
Win win.
Agree smokey
One year deals for players of this age are the way to go
As long as Sugar signs off on the captainsy, He's the false pretender and should hand it over. But if he stays I bet he'll keep it. Cause it makes him feel important.
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Nurse, smelling salts for Ox lol
Geez Moi,I just came to after reading this mornings paper :P
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Bowden and Johnson can see the writing on the wall. Johnson has had an average couple of seasons with a few good games thrown in but is certainly no inspirational leader and is being outplayed by most of our developing midfielders already. Bowden has had years of negative, inadequete, unaccountable, meaningless possession acquiring with a few well timed acts that saved us some games. Without these acts he would be well and truly gone.
Stripes
Hit the nail on the head Striper and summed up Bowden's self preserving career. :thumbsup
As I have said to you before I think Bowden has had a few good games which have saved his skin but until those games he was a liability rather than an asset.
Sorry if that opinion upsets you
Whadd'ya expect Stripes....birds of a feather
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Bwaha! This has made my day.
Maybe we could have another half @rsed Bowden poll. :P
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Very dissapointing news, we are just setting ourselves up for a mass exodus of old farts rather than staggering their departure and managing the transition.
If only one had to go then at least Bowden can stay on the veterans list, but Id prefer it if both went, not sure who we're going to cut now, can't be many.
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I'm glad these 2 are on the list for at least 09, cos with Tivva, Hyde, Petts superceded by younger fella's there is a need for some experience retention on the list.
Also allows for some list management options in terms of the 2 nominated veterans in the salary cap. Shrewd start for Craig Cameron as it provides for freedom come 2010 & 2011 when GC17 & Western Sydney RooDogs enter the comp.
2010 will see the clean-out begin in earnest of 3 of the 5 oldest vets on the list in Suga, Joel, N.G Brown, Simmo & Richo, so I'm satisfied that there will be a managed transition of playing stocks hopefully in to a sustainable successful era.
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Bwaha! This has made my day.
Maybe we could have another half @rsed Bowden poll. :P
What does 'Bwaha' mean? How has it made your day and why do want to make a poll up about Bowden?
We all know which posters believe Bowden should remain on our list and who doesn't. The trick is to argue the facts and not make it personal otherwise you show weakness.
I think Bowden has been an asset to the team over the last few weeks since he has been moved out of the backline where his flaws were exemplified.
It's interesting that TW is now using both Richo and Bowden all over the ground depending upon where the greatest need is. This also allows for an easier transition when they eventually move on with our team structures allowed to be established with youth without them being part of it.
He is a clever coach that TW.
Stripes
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These blokes when they do retire (Kane and Joel), their retirement needs to have the least amount of impact overall on the side and not leave a gaping hole in the sides structure lets say as when Richo retires. I would have seen it of merit if 1 of these blokes retired at the end of the year preferably Kane and Bowden possibly at the end of next year. Even though both of these players have at times been not in the side due to injury or form we have shown we can adapt and play competently without them so overall it won't be the huge loss many think will occur. Impact on the team will be minimal. Lets just say these two blokes will be used as pinch hitters more especially Joel depending on necessity and game trend as seen at either end of the ground v Bombers and Lions hopefully Jonno gives up the captaincy to either Lids or Axel. Kane is slow as his and the game is passing him by. He should have been retired by the club at the end of the year.
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Bowden most definightly he's a proven champ. Sugar I bloody hope not, especially as captain. He doesn't deserve the job, go back to where you came from is all I can say. I can see bowden helping out the young ones on what and how to position themselves on the feild.
But Sugar has nothing to add to the team.
Now if we put a hat in and everyone put in to show him we no long need him will he take the money and leave and never come back. I'll put in just to see his ugly butt walk out the door.
Dont agree at all. Sugar has had a pretty good year. A very good pick up IMO. I think he should stand down as captain though. JB and Sugar to play on is a great move. We need experience to go with the youth.
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As I said in the previous post, we are making a list management error with this decision. One of the two players should have retired this year and the other at the end of 2009. We will have 5 senior players all leaving at the same time down the track and that will not help the club at all at that time.
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.......Sugar I bloody hope not, especially as captain. He doesn't deserve the job, go back to where you came from is all I can say.
.......As long as Sugar signs off on the captainsy, He's the false pretender and should hand it over. But if he stays I bet he'll keep it. Cause it makes him feel important.
The captaincy of an AFL club is something much bigger than a '2 hour per week, inspire them with courageous deeds' role. To captain effectively takes a commitment of 7 days per week and encompasses more than just leading by example. I think Johnson gets treated very unfairly by many because they focus too much on the visible and do not pay enough respect to the role he plays off-field. He gets mentioned very favourably in almost every article or interview with any of our players and that tells me that he has a significant amount of respect within the team. He is not our best player but most definitely not our worst, is still well within our best 22 and plays an important role in the team structure, especially with so many kids still developing and learning. A couple of unsolicited quotes from Deledio's interview with Caro sums it all up.......
"Kane Johnson has been the biggest influence on me at the club. He never lets up on me, he's been really good at making sure I have a level head and he doesn't let me get ahead of myself. He also wants me to make the best of myself."
"Kane's got a happy knack of throwing in a little dagger here and there; he always keeps me on my toes, I guess, because he could see how much ability I had."
"He's always got a couple of things he tells me I could have improved on after a game. He's not big on compliments but that's not what he's there for."
Johnson's brand of tough love was so intense in Deledio's first couple of seasons that there were concerns at the club that the captain might have pushed him too hard.
"It wasn't so much what he did say, but what he didn't," said Deledio. "The looks of disgust made me feel pretty bad. Like I'd let him down. He is a bit like a father figure and you don't like letting your dad down." One week later Deledio completed the Tan in 13.08.
All this from a player with more potential than Johnson ever had and who will most likely surpass anything Johnson ever did on the field. They all learn from someone and I for one am very comfortable with the job Johnson has done and continues to do as Captain, and if he does decide to step down from the job at the end of the year then I will be first in line to say well done and thank you.
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Spot on Smokey!
It's interesting that TW is now using both Richo and Bowden all over the ground depending upon where the greatest need is. This also allows for an easier transition when they eventually move on with our team structures allowed to be established with youth without them being part of it.
He is a clever coach that TW.
Stripes
Not only easier transition but getting valuable mentoring and experience into the kids.
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We all know which posters believe Bowden should remain on our list and who doesn't. The trick is to argue the facts and not make it personal otherwise you show weakness.
Hope you master the trick and get your strength back at some stage then. :)
As far as Bowden goes, you use your personal opinion and sweeping statements about him instead of facts.
It's hard to know what to say if you actually think I want another poll about Bowden. :help
In response to your earlier post (reply #6) , if Bowden was delisted someone would still have to go because it wouldn't free up one of the 3 compulsory spots on the main list
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Bowden played another great game yesterday with pinpoint kicks
Great player & some of you wanted him & Tuck dropped :lol
Tuck has that B&F wrapped up, March is putting his name on it now :thumbsup what a great player his become. one of my favorites
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We all know which posters believe Bowden should remain on our list and who doesn't. The trick is to argue the facts and not make it personal otherwise you show weakness.
Hope you master the trick and get your strength back at some stage then. :)
As far as Bowden goes, you use your personal opinion and sweeping statements about him instead of facts.
It's hard to know what to say if you actually think I want another poll about Bowden. :help
In response to your earlier post (reply #6) , if Bowden was delisted someone would still have to go because it wouldn't free up one of the 3 compulsory spots on the main list
;D
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I think Bowden has been an asset to the team over the last few weeks since he has been moved out of the backline where his flaws were exemplified.
Stripes
funny that Bowden was mainly around the backline yesterday directing traffic again, helping out like always. Great foot skills & everyone makes a mistake or 2 but his one of the finess footballers l ever seen.
& they brought who to the club to clean up the kicking skills :rollin you wouldnot rely on McMahon OMFG what a dirty day
his disposal is one of the worst at the club