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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on August 28, 2008, 02:07:45 PM
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Not 100% guaranteed yet but OER sources know the club has already sat down and discussed about promoting Collard to the senior list next year ;).
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I think it's a stupid move to elevate him now, he's only just broken into the coburg seniors.
He has a long way to go with his fitness and defensive pressure and by elevating him to the senior list it means we have to cut someone else from the list.
He's the only rookie elibable for the rookie list next year, so we should make the most of that and just make sure that he's the first one elevated with any long term injury
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I think it's a stupid move to elevate him now, he's only just broken into the coburg seniors.
He has a long way to go with his fitness and defensive pressure and by elevating him to the senior list it means we have to cut someone else from the list.
He's the only rookie elibable for the rookie list next year, so we should make the most of that and just make sure that he's the first one elevated with any long term injury
Tivs won't be at tigerland next year, so they won't have to make a cut, it's already happened and that creates a spot where Collard used to be!
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I think it's a stupid move to elevate him now, he's only just broken into the coburg seniors.
He has a long way to go with his fitness and defensive pressure and by elevating him to the senior list it means we have to cut someone else from the list.
He's the only rookie elibable for the rookie list next year, so we should make the most of that and just make sure that he's the first one elevated with any long term injury
Tivs won't be at tigerland next year, so they won't have to make a cut, it's already happened and that creates a spot where Collard used to be!
But that means we need at least 4 gone instead of 3 if we elevate Collard as we still need to take the minimum three draft picks in the NAB National draft.
Correct?
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Don't forget the Club may get special permission to place Polly on the rookie list next year while he continues with his recovery from brain injury. That would open up another senior list spot. If Collard remained on the rookie list in that case we would only be able to draft two new rookies.
As I said it's not certain. The club is considering promoting Collard.
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But that means we need at least 4 gone instead of 3 if we elevate Collard as we still need to take the minimum three draft picks in the NAB National draft.
Correct?
Precisely
At the moment we have two going, Tiva & Hyde
If we elevate Collard then we need to delist two more, Polak moving to the rookie list could be one, but who else? Rumours that Pettifer is getting another one year deal, so probably not him.
I'd rather we had at least 4 spots free for draft picks anyway, 3 in the National Draft plus a PSD spot for another kid who trains with us after the draft.
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I think it's a stupid move to elevate him now, he's only just broken into the coburg seniors.
He has a long way to go with his fitness and defensive pressure and by elevating him to the senior list it means we have to cut someone else from the list.
He's the only rookie elibable for the rookie list next year, so we should make the most of that and just make sure that he's the first one elevated with any long term injury
Tivs won't be at tigerland next year, so they won't have to make a cut, it's already happened and that creates a spot where Collard used to be!
But that means we need at least 4 gone instead of 3 if we elevate Collard as we still need to take the minimum three draft picks in the NAB National draft.
Correct?
Yep that's right TA. You can only have a maximum of 35 players on your senior list by October 31. We've still got trade week first so what happens there will have a big say on how many current players get the chop. If we trade one or two guys for picks then that'll free up spots as well.
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would be a mistake to elevate collard to the senior list IMHO
was a mistake to elevate graham last year also IMHO
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was a mistake to elevate graham last year also IMHO
I think we had to elevate him as he had had his two years on the rookie list.
To put him on as a 3rd year rookie we had to delist him and then hope no one else took him and we needed the ruck insurance in case Simmo went down again.
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he's only just broken into the coburg seniors.
He's got more talent in his right nut than 100% players on the feild in the game he kicked 6 last week
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Doesn't mean he should be on the senior list next year
He still has a lot of work to do on his fitness and defensive pressure
Staying on the rookie list will tell him that he needs to bust his ass again and prove that he deserves to be there, if he can improve his fitness in the coming preseason by as much as he did last year, then we'll have a player. If he gets elevated and uses that as a reason to slack off then he'll get delisted. Give him the motivation to work harder for it.
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!Dont know if this is true! Heard along the grapevine that other clubs were looking at him but not sure how system works after finding out that it is a 2year rookie contract can other clubs still take him.If so this might have promped the club to elevate him i know he will star at top level if get fittness right.
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Just elevate him, he is obviously going to be a decent player and they are obviously going to do it eventually so give him the sniff, elevate him and let him bust his butt over summer and play round 1 2009.
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As long as Petiffer is punted it's a good move IMO.
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As long as Petiffer is punted it's a good move IMO.
correct.
It will be a case of one door opens and another closes if it occurs.
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!Dont know if this is true! Heard along the grapevine that other clubs were looking at him but not sure how system works after finding out that it is a 2year rookie contract can other clubs still take him.If so this might have promped the club to elevate him i know he will star at top level if get fittness right.
It's up to the player, he can simply accept to stay on the rookie list for a 2nd year, or he can leave and enter himself back in the draft for another club to pick him up.
After we've given him a chance to turn his career around I'd be shocked if he were to do that.
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!Dont know if this is true! Heard along the grapevine that other clubs were looking at him but not sure how system works after finding out that it is a 2year rookie contract can other clubs still take him.If so this might have promped the club to elevate him i know he will star at top level if get fittness right.
It's up to the player, he can simply accept to stay on the rookie list for a 2nd year, or he can leave and enter himself back in the draft for another club to pick him up.
After we've given him a chance to turn his career around I'd be shocked if he were to do that.
rubbish
its not up to the player at all
he is contracted as a rookie ( dependant on age ) for 2 yrs minimum
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!Dont know if this is true! Heard along the grapevine that other clubs were looking at him but not sure how system works after finding out that it is a 2year rookie contract can other clubs still take him.If so this might have promped the club to elevate him i know he will star at top level if get fittness right.
It's up to the player, he can simply accept to stay on the rookie list for a 2nd year, or he can leave and enter himself back in the draft for another club to pick him up.
After we've given him a chance to turn his career around I'd be shocked if he were to do that.
rubbish
its not up to the player at all
he is contracted as a rookie ( dependant on age ) for 2 yrs minimum
Try getting your facts right before you call what I said rubbish
Rookies only get 1 year deals, not 2 like the National Draft, that's the whole point and why clubs will take more speculative types because they aren't stuck with them for a forced 2 years.
They are only allowed to only be on your rookie list for 2 years, if you want to keep them for a 3rd year you need to delist them and let them go through both the National Draft & PSD, if they haven't been taken then the club can nominate to select them back as a rookie using their last pick in the rookie draft.
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I believe that Collard was still being paid by Freo this season, last year was his first year there and he would have been given a two year deal.
There may be pressure for him to be put on the list so he will stay, possibly due to financial reasons.
I still think he has a long way to go before he makes AFL. Commitment and work ethic especially on the training side of things appear to me to be his major area in need of improvement.
He certainly has extremely good skills and awareness etc. Some of the things he does are Gary Ablett like.
Would be a huge addition to the team if takes the opportunity given to him.
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More bags from Collard in the VFL finals will make the decision easy for the Club. Other clubs would be sniffing for young talent before the new teams come in and hijack all the top draft picks.
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So I'm a tad confused now - can Collard elect for the National Draft this year or be poached by another club to be played on their rookie or main list or not? ???
Stripes
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!Dont know if this is true! Heard along the grapevine that other clubs were looking at him but not sure how system works after finding out that it is a 2year rookie contract can other clubs still take him.If so this might have promped the club to elevate him i know he will star at top level if get fittness right.
It's up to the player, he can simply accept to stay on the rookie list for a 2nd year, or he can leave and enter himself back in the draft for another club to pick him up.
After we've given him a chance to turn his career around I'd be shocked if he were to do that.
rubbish
its not up to the player at all
he is contracted as a rookie ( dependant on age ) for 2 yrs minimum
Try getting your facts right before you call what I said rubbish
Rookies only get 1 year deals, not 2 like the National Draft, that's the whole point and why clubs will take more speculative types because they aren't stuck with them for a forced 2 years.
They are only allowed to only be on your rookie list for 2 years, if you want to keep them for a 3rd year you need to delist them and let them go through both the National Draft & PSD, if they haven't been taken then the club can nominate to select them back as a rookie using their last pick in the rookie draft.
rookies get one year minimum, unless they are forced to move interstate, as in collards case, in that case all rookied players who move interstate get a 2 yr deal. Hence collard has a two year deal. Just like I said earlier,hence the lack of a need to upgrade him, as he has to stay on the rookie list anyway
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rookies get one year minimum, unless they are forced to move interstate, as in collards case, in that case all rookied players who move interstate get a 2 yr deal.
Fair point, although I'm not sure how his existing contract with Freo affects all that. Possibly not at all.
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Are you 100% sure blaisee?
According to the AFL Player Rules International rookies get 2 year contracts. All other Rookies get 1 year. Rookie that come from interstate have their relocation expenses covered by the club. It does say a mimimum of 1 year so perhaps rookies can have 2 year contract if both player and club agree.
21.2.3 Contract of Service
(a) Where a Club includes a Player on its Rookie List, it shall:-
(i) in the case of an International Player, enter into a Contract of Service for a minimum of 2 AFL Football
Seasons; or
(ii) in the case any other Player, enter into a Contract of Service for a minimum of 1 AFL Football Season.
(b) Any Contract of Service between a Club and a Rookie Player must specify that such contract will expire or terminate on 31 October of the relevant year.
21.4 Retention of Rookie List Players
(a) A Club may retain a Player on its Rookie List for a second season provided it nominates such Player or Players prior to advising the AFL of its Primary List under Rule 4.1.1 and such Player consents to being nominated on the Rookie List for a second season.
(b) A Club may retain a Player on its Rookie List for a third season provided that the Player has nominated himself for and was not selected at the National Draft Selection Meeting prior to the Rookie Draft Selection Meeting and prior to the Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting the Club provides the AFL with written evidence of the Club’s and Player’s agreement to be retained as a Rookie for a third season which agreement must specify that the Player can and only
will be retained as a Rookie for a third season if he is not selected by any Club at the Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting.
(c) A Club may retain a Player included on a Club’s Rookie List under Rule 21.3.4(a)(i) and (ii) for a third season provided it nominates such Player prior to advising the AFL of its Primary List under Rule 4.1.1 and such Player consents to being nominated on the Rookie List for a third season.
21.7 Relocation of Player
21.7.1 Relocate Benefits
Where a Club includes a Player on its Rookie List and the Player is required to relocate, the Club shall pay relocation benefits as set out in the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
21.7.2 Re-location Expenses
(a) If a Rookie Player relocates as a result of his inclusion on a Club’s Rookie List but he is subsequently not included onto the Club’s Primary List before or at the end of his Contract of Service, then subject to Rule 21.7.2(b), the Club shall, if requested within two months of the end of his Contract of Service, pay the Rookie Player’s reasonable expenses in relocating the Player back to where he lived immediately before his inclusion on the Club’s Rookie List.
(b) A Club is not obliged to pay the relocation expenses under Rule 21.7.2(a) if the Player is included on the Primary List or Rookie List of another Club, regardless of where that other Club is located.
http://aflpa.com.au/sites/all/files/AFL%20Player%20Rules_2008.pdf
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thanks for all that info guys really helpful :thumbsup
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Today was probably the first time a few of us who don't see Coburg games have seen Collard play. Thoughts?
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Today was probably the first time a few of us who don't see Coburg games have seen Collard play. Thoughts?
Still has massive question marks over his fitness and dedication IMO. When the game was in the balance, he 'pretended' to chase, giving up far to easily. If I were a coburg listed player, I would be very dirty on his defensive efforts today.
In saying all that, I love his skills and composure - just wish he will/could apply himself 100%....I would have no doubts that he could become anything if he could get that aspect of his game right...time will tell.