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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 01, 2008, 02:07:53 PM
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A caller to SEN just rang in to Robbo and Mark Doran and claimed the person who told him that Miller would be sacked before it became public has now said March won't be at Punt Rd next year. He'll either now walk or be pushed into walking.
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I always like to stop reading when a thread starts with "A caller to SEN" but that would sure create an interesting time for the offseason.
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It's all becoming a bit of a joke isn't it. We don't need anyone, either President or Coach, to walk at this stage. What we need is people to work together to make this club great once more. People need to put personal agendas to one side and see what they can do to help.
Walking is not a positive option for anyone
Stripes
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It's all becoming a bit of a joke isn't it. We don't need anyone, either President or Coach, to walk at this stage. What we need is people to work together to make this club great once more. People need to put personal agendas to one side and see what they can do to help.
Walking is not a positive option for anyone
Stripes
march isnt going anywhere
Wallet isnt gunna be sacked, but he may not have the balls to continue.
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It's all becoming a bit of a joke isn't it. We don't need anyone, either President or Coach, to walk at this stage. What we need is people to work together to make this club great once more. People need to put personal agendas to one side and see what they can do to help.
Walking is not a positive option for anyone
Stripes
march isnt going anywhere
Wallet isnt gunna be sacked, but he may not have the balls to continue.
Doesnt make sense, could you evaluate? Is something being held over him at board level?
Because I cant see why Wallace would stop at the fourth year when the kids are finally developing and coming together on the coaching side so the pressure to "not have the balls to continue" must surely be coming from inside the club. :-\ :scream
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I always like to stop reading when a thread starts with "A caller to SEN" but that would sure create an interesting time for the offseason.
lol true TA but I was just quoting what was said for discussion.
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It's all becoming a bit of a joke isn't it. We don't need anyone, either President or Coach, to walk at this stage. What we need is people to work together to make this club great once more. People need to put personal agendas to one side and see what they can do to help.
Walking is not a positive option for anyone
Stripes
march isnt going anywhere
Wallet isnt gunna be sacked, but he may not have the balls to continue.
Doesnt make sense, could you evaluate? Is something being held over him at board level?
Because I cant see why Wallace would stop at the fourth year when the kids are finally developing and coming together on the coaching side so the pressure to "not have the balls to continue" must surely be coming from inside the club. :-\ :scream
TAKE IT EASY I HEARD THE CALL AND IM ABOUT 99% SURE IT WAS REFERRING TO TW, NOT MARCH.
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so many threads about the same things ;D
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It's all becoming a bit of a joke isn't it. We don't need anyone, either President or Coach, to walk at this stage. What we need is people to work together to make this club great once more. People need to put personal agendas to one side and see what they can do to help.
Walking is not a positive option for anyone
Stripes
march isnt going anywhere
Wallet isnt gunna be sacked, but he may not have the balls to continue.
Doesnt make sense, could you evaluate? Is something being held over him at board level?
Because I cant see why Wallace would stop at the fourth year when the kids are finally developing and coming together on the coaching side so the pressure to "not have the balls to continue" must surely be coming from inside the club. :-\ :scream
i will elaborate
for the first time in his tenure at richmond, wallace is being held accountable for performance.
if he doesnt perform, Ie we make the eight next year, put simply he is gone, he knows that and march knows that.
The problem is knowing this, wallets wants to trade our picks for kerr. March isnt too keen and hence the conflict. That and the fact that he will have a boss, the new football director, that he may /may not like or know makes him feel a little uneasy.
Its actually good to make peeple in a large organisation a little bit uneasy once in a while. It should bring out the best in both of them, exactly what all tiger fans should want.
IMHO march has/ is doing a tremendous job, and for the record so is wallace....this year.
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It's all becoming a bit of a joke isn't it. We don't need anyone, either President or Coach, to walk at this stage. What we need is people to work together to make this club great once more. People need to put personal agendas to one side and see what they can do to help.
Walking is not a positive option for anyone
Stripes
march isnt going anywhere
Wallet isnt gunna be sacked, but he may not have the balls to continue.
TW wanting to draft Kerr....to save his own job for sure.
draft kerr finish 8th. job safe.
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If it aint broke why fix it?
No need to do anything just now that we are starting to get the on field house in order. Leave things as they are and if the fact that Port Freo and WCE have boosted our seasons due to their poor form and getting results worse than what their list reflects or whether we have genuinely improved and will be a top 8 side this time next year time will tell. However by mid next year we will know where Terry really stands with the president and fare enough too so hopefully March does not do anything to erratically or prematurely that might blight our growth and development.Let the natural progression of the side determine the future of these two men beyond 2009 not these two men's personal agenda's determine the future of the 22 men who go out to represent Richmond.
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This might have been the issue they had with GM(Kerr), coaches and opperation managers will always err on the side of giving up picks for short term gain - keep my job players. This is human nature
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It's all becoming a bit of a joke isn't it. We don't need anyone, either President or Coach, to walk at this stage. What we need is people to work together to make this club great once more. People need to put personal agendas to one side and see what they can do to help.
Walking is not a positive option for anyone
Stripes
march isnt going anywhere
Wallet isnt gunna be sacked, but he may not have the balls to continue.
Doesnt make sense, could you evaluate? Is something being held over him at board level?
Because I cant see why Wallace would stop at the fourth year when the kids are finally developing and coming together on the coaching side so the pressure to "not have the balls to continue" must surely be coming from inside the club. :-\ :scream
i will elaborate
for the first time in his tenure at richmond, wallace is being held accountable for performance.
if he doesnt perform, Ie we make the eight next year, put simply he is gone, he knows that and march knows that.
The problem is knowing this, wallets wants to trade our picks for kerr. March isnt too keen and hence the conflict. That and the fact that he will have a boss, the new football director, that he may /may not like or know makes him feel a little uneasy.
Its actually good to make peeple in a large organisation a little bit uneasy once in a while. It should bring out the best in both of them, exactly what all tiger fans should want.
IMHO march has/ is doing a tremendous job, and for the record so is wallace....this year.
If Terry thinks the current team is not good enough to make the 8 next year without trading for a "star" he might as well get out and resign now.
We didnt come all this way to give Terry some insurance in year 5 so he has a better chance of getting a renewed contract. He was given the job to turn this footy club around by re-building and drafting kids that would create a continuous finals side by the end of his contract. It shouldn't stop now because Terry is worried about his own personal wellbeing.
If that's all the main crux of the conflict is about I'm completely on March's side.
We keep the picks and draft the kids. :thumbsup
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I've said that for the past 18 months the side is only capable of getting to the bottom reaches of the eight on a consistent basis, we are a 7 to 10 side at the moment ... that isnt good enough and it shouldnt be acceptable to any board. Kerr would only get us to being a 6th 7th and 8th placed side, that being the case, I cant see why we should give our picks away for Kerr. You go for a Kerr if your a top 4 or 5 side needing another star mid to get to the flag, you dont get him when your a 8 or 9 placed team. We have more important needs, finding a ruckman, getting a key forward and another in and under midfielder would help as well. Wallace shouldnt get his way this time, we cant afford quick fix outcomes coz people are feeling the strain.
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I've said that for the past 18 months the side is only capable of getting to the bottom reaches of the eight on a consistent basis, we are a 7 to 10 side at the moment ... that isnt good enough and it shouldnt be acceptable to any board. Kerr would only get us to being a 6th 7th and 8th placed side, that being the case, I cant see why we should give our picks away for Kerr. You go for a Kerr if your a top 4 or 5 side needing another star mid to get to the flag, you dont get him when your a 8 or 9 placed team. We have more important needs, finding a ruckman, getting a key forward and another in and under midfielder would help as well. Wallace shouldnt get his way this time, we cant afford quick fix outcomes coz people are feeling the strain.
+1
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I've said that for the past 18 months the side is only capable of getting to the bottom reaches of the eight on a consistent basis, we are a 7 to 10 side at the moment ... that isnt good enough and it shouldnt be acceptable to any board. Kerr would only get us to being a 6th 7th and 8th placed side, that being the case, I cant see why we should give our picks away for Kerr. You go for a Kerr if your a top 4 or 5 side needing another star mid to get to the flag, you dont get him when your a 8 or 9 placed team. We have more important needs, finding a ruckman, getting a key forward and another in and under midfielder would help as well. Wallace shouldnt get his way this time, we cant afford quick fix outcomes coz people are feeling the strain.
Spot on.
I'd rather get Vickery, Lynch and an inside mid than spend pick 8, 26 and a player trying to get Daniel Kerr.
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It's all becoming a bit of a joke isn't it. We don't need anyone, either President or Coach, to walk at this stage. What we need is people to work together to make this club great once more. People need to put personal agendas to one side and see what they can do to help.
Walking is not a positive option for anyone
Stripes
march isnt going anywhere
Wallet isnt gunna be sacked, but he may not have the balls to continue.
circa bulldogs.
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march isnt going anywhere
Wallet isnt gunna be sacked, but he may not have the balls to continue.
circa bulldogs.
Wouldn't call it circa bulldogs - they had no money and were cutting costs. We are supposedly increasing the footy dept spend .... so I don't see how you compare it
Said state of affairs if this is what they are trying to do.
Sad refelction on things IMHO
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I've said that for the past 18 months the side is only capable of getting to the bottom reaches of the eight on a consistent basis, we are a 7 to 10 side at the moment ... that isnt good enough and it shouldnt be acceptable to any board. Kerr would only get us to being a 6th 7th and 8th placed side, that being the case, I cant see why we should give our picks away for Kerr. You go for a Kerr if your a top 4 or 5 side needing another star mid to get to the flag, you dont get him when your a 8 or 9 placed team. We have more important needs, finding a ruckman, getting a key forward and another in and under midfielder would help as well. Wallace shouldnt get his way this time, we cant afford quick fix outcomes coz people are feeling the strain.
Apparantly that's where CAC rates the list as well. So if CAC backs March then TW will feel unloved. As was put by others. This is good, natural tension. So long as it is resolved (preferably behind closed doors) then this is good for the RFC.
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March is a dead set legend for doing this.
I was open to the idea of nabbing Kerr but not at the cost so march is simply pointing out to TW that there is no easy fix on a contract extension.
TW is trying to nabb kerr therefore almost guaranteeing a finals spot, resulting in a contract extension. Well Not on GM's watch so a big thank you goes out to March for taking this recruiting priveledge away from mr spin.
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March is a dead set legend for doing this.
I was open to the idea of nabbing Kerr but not at the cost so march is simply pointing out to TW that there is no easy fix on a contract extension.
TW is trying to nabb kerr therefore almost guaranteeing a finals spot, resulting in a contract extension. Well Not on GM's watch so a big thank you goes out to March for taking this recruiting priveledge away from mr spin.
what cost please eleborate?
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March is a dead set legend for doing this.
I was open to the idea of nabbing Kerr but not at the cost so march is simply pointing out to TW that there is no easy fix on a contract extension.
TW is trying to nabb kerr therefore almost guaranteeing a finals spot, resulting in a contract extension. Well Not on GM's watch so a big thank you goes out to March for taking this recruiting priveledge away from mr spin.
what cost please eleborate?
The cost that would be about pick 8, pick 26 and one of our good best 22 youngsters I would think is the minimum for Kerr.
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March is a dead set legend for doing this.
I was open to the idea of nabbing Kerr but not at the cost so march is simply pointing out to TW that there is no easy fix on a contract extension.
TW is trying to nabb kerr therefore almost guaranteeing a finals spot, resulting in a contract extension. Well Not on GM's watch so a big thank you goes out to March for taking this recruiting priveledge away from mr spin.
what cost please eleborate?
The cost that would be about pick 8, pick 26 and one of our good best 22 youngsters I would think is the minimum for Kerr.
whats more concerning to me is Warnock. 500k for whats his name again. ooh yeah warnock!!!
500k thats a big negative. Id rather develop who we have got
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I was open to the idea of nabbing Kerr but not at the cost so march is simply pointing out to TW that there is no easy fix on a contract extension.
TW is trying to nabb kerr therefore almost guaranteeing a finals spot, resulting in a contract extension. Well Not on GM's watch so a big thank you goes out to March for taking this recruiting priveledge away from mr spin.
Nice conspiracy theory there Daniel ::)
Actually you really should be a politician ;) :thumbsup
:rollin :rollin
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March is a dead set legend for doing this.
I was open to the idea of nabbing Kerr but not at the cost so march is simply pointing out to TW that there is no easy fix on a contract extension.
TW is trying to nabb kerr therefore almost guaranteeing a finals spot, resulting in a contract extension. Well Not on GM's watch so a big thank you goes out to March for taking this recruiting priveledge away from mr spin.
Problem with that is March said they will start to review Wallace's position in June and make a decision in July so unless we do a Geelong and win every game to that point June/July finals will not be guaranteed so Kerr may not be his saviour
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Then again, 'Just maybe' they will sit down like 2 adults and discuss the situation over a cuppa and come to an understanding.
After all they are all working for the same cause and it seems to be moving along quite OK atm, apart from the rumour and innuendo.
Thing about Richmond and its history is the media are gunna jump on anything and everything and blow it out of all proportion. :banghead
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march will not walk, the sen caller was saying he knows that wallace will , but this is old news as many of us here have heard this weeks ago.
anyway, what is up wallaces clacker and what makes him so precious.
1/ march gave us 5/10, we won 11 games, thats 50% so march is spot on. wallace is pipe dreaming
2/ march is correct that wallace shoud have no say on who the club employes. wallaces job is to coach . full stop. he is th ethe president board and coach rolled into 1
3/ wallace wants to chase a boom recruit to get us in the 8 to save his career. wallace = weak
4/ wallace said he had a 5 yr plan to rebuild the club and it list but in yr 5 to save his butt, he wants to change his plan
5/ wallace has been promoting how at richmond we must build our own, and now he wants to bring in imports to save him
6/ yes we improved compared to last yr, but we failed this yr. we missed the 8 mainly due to very bad coaching in the 1st half of the yr. we can live in a fantasy wallace world or be realistic. this yr with a pretty full strong list we missed out. there were no excuses this yr
7/ march is everything terry isnt, he is a strong man, with king size balls who calls it as it is
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This is not in defence for/against anyone or any particular move, just pointing something out.
WCE Premiers 2006 - 2nd last 2008
Port Grand finalists 2007 - 13 th 7 wins 2008
Brisbane 1998 - Last with 5 wins, 2 seasons later 3 peat.
Geelong 2006 - 10 th with 10 wins - 2007 Premiers and just about certs this year.
We may not be as far away as some think. Just something to think about :gotigers
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3/ wallace wants to chase a boom recruit to get us in the 8 to save his career. wallace = weak
And if he didn't go for him, you'd be the first person X to say he should have at least had a shot at trying to get him :rollin
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Quote from: moose on Today at 10:03:41 am
3/ wallace wants to chase a boom recruit to get us in the 8 to save his career. wallace = weak
more constructive input from our master business guru :lol
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2/ march is correct that wallace shoud have no say on who the club employes. wallaces job is to coach . full stop. he is th ethe president board and coach rolled into 1
No, but he absolutely should have input into list management and that was my take on his gripe - that he was to be given no input into that.
3/ wallace wants to chase a boom recruit to get us in the 8 to save his career. wallace = weak
I actually haven't heard or read that anywhere from Wallace, all I have heard is that he wants to go to the board for permission to 'shop'. That could mean anyone and in our current state I would suggest he is more concerned on the impact of Simmonds going down and would be more likely to be in the market for a ruckman than a high priced midfielder. Can you quote me the source so I can be brought up to date please?
4/ wallace said he had a 5 yr plan to rebuild the club and it list but in yr 5 to save his butt, he wants to change his plan
And even if he walked away today I would contend that he has already achieved that to a very large degree. Almost a complete list turnover - now one of the youngest in the competition - and more potential upside than most others going around. Don't see how he is changing his plan at all. He knows our Achilles Heel is our ruck and next year we can ill afford to have Simmonds go down and be as totally uncompetitive in the middle as in 2007. Our kids are now learning to become accustomed to winning and need to build on this upward curve if they are to fully develop a winning culture. Cartledge was good insurance this year but may not be considered good enough for next year if we are going to be finals contenders, so I would be willing to bet that his priority is a 'ready to go' ruckman, and most certainly not for the reason of "saving his butt".
5/ wallace has been promoting how at richmond we must build our own, and now he wants to bring in imports to save him
No club can totally "grow their own". Wasn't it about now at their stage of development that Geelong got Ottens as part of their tilt to a flag? They had 'homegrown' options but were savvy enough to know it wasn't enough.
6/ yes we improved compared to last yr, but we failed this yr. we missed the 8 mainly due to very bad coaching in the 1st half of the yr. we can live in a fantasy wallace world or be realistic. this yr with a pretty full strong list we missed out. there were no excuses this yr
I disagree totally. Please point out all the games we lost in the first half of the season that were because of poor coaching. A fantasy world was expecting anything better out of this year. We got exactly what we should have expected and for that reason most of the football department's boxes should be ticked on 2008. And for the same reason, we should not be unhappy with a 5-8 finish next year, although applying your rules I guess anything less than a premiership will be a failure.
7/ march is everything terry isnt, he is a strong man, with king size balls who calls it as it is
Everything Wallace isn't like tactful, media savvy and not prepared to hang his' team' members out to publicy dry?
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1/ march gave us 5/10, we won 11 games, thats 50% so march is spot on. wallace is pipe dreaming
Ok, lets dissect this a bit. You say that March is spot-on in his assessment so for the sake of the width of a goalpost, what would he have rated us if Moore doesn't hit the woodwork with 30 secs to go v the Saints? We win, finish 6th and at least one final to come. Still a 5/10? Or would he be a bit more realistic and give it maybe a 6 or 7? All for the sake of the width of a goalpost. The dreaming might be coming out of a pipe but I don't think Wallace is smoking it.
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2/ march is correct that wallace shoud have no say on who the club employes. wallaces job is to coach . full stop. he is th ethe president board and coach rolled into 1
I think Wallace should have a lot of say in the employment of those he controls (assistants etc). He shouldn't be able to pick his own boss though.
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did bomber thompson like the review about him, no!
did bomber thompson have any say in nreil balmes appointment, no!
bomber believed all he was doing was right and balme was not needed, he now knows he was wrong!
did rodney eade have a say in fantasia , no etc etc
wallace wants total control and he is not going to get it
facts are facts e won 11 games, thats 50% or as march puts it 5/10
no need to overmark our season to make us feel good. we improved, from a 1/10 to a 5/10. thats it
wallace knows he is on thin ice and is not comfortable
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facts are facts e won 11 games, thats 50% or as march puts it 5/10
A simple rating from a simple person
There is more to our season than ladder position
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facts are facts e won 11 games, thats 50% or as march puts it 5/10
A simple rating from a simple person
There is more to our season than ladder position
We appear to be surrounded by mathematical geniuses here Infamy!! Alas, I am not one so I had to resort to using a calculator to work out what the analytical wizards could obviously do standing on their heads (before the rush of blood caused internal discomfort and damage). So to save anyone else the time and effort of working this out, and the need for any further discussion or disagreement, here is the official, unequivocal season ratings for every club (rounded for ease of understanding):
Geelong - 9.5 out of 10
Hawthorn - 7.7 out of 10
Bulldogs - 7 out of 10
St Kilda - 5.9 out of 10
Adelaide - 5.9 out of 10
Sydney - 5.7 out of 10
North Melb - 5.7 out of 10
Collingwood - 5.5 out of 10
Richmond - 5.2 out of 10
Brisbane - 4.5 out of 10
Carlton - 4.5 out of 10
Essendon - 3.6 out of 10
Port Adel - 3.2 out of 10
Fremantle - 2.7 out of 10
West Coast - 1.8 out of 10
Melbourne - 1.4 out of 10
Now, the only problem I foresee is that this is all subject to change depending on where the top 8 clubs finish after the finals. Will Hawthorn rate their season a 7.7 if they win the flag? Will Geelong rate their season a 9.5 if they don't? And will St Kilda rate their season a 5.9 if they win their next game? Aahh, so many questions - just as well we have pure maths to remove the human element from thinking. And just as well Gary March is such an intelligent individual to have latched on to that much earlier than the rest of us plebs. ::)
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facts are facts e won 11 games, thats 50% or as march puts it 5/10
A simple rating from a simple person
There is more to our season than ladder position
u r the simpleton tossbag
if you cant see reality in your face , it just shows how simple you are. just because my opinion is more realistic than urs and different does not mean you can try and increase your ego and intellect by thrying to put me down
go back to sleep with terry , and when that toss of a man wqaks or is sacked the rfc will be a better place
11 wins is just a pass, end of story
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So additions to the list has nothing to do with the overall rating of a season?
Development of younger players has nothing to do with the overall rating of a season?
Impact of injuries has nothing to do with the overall rating of a season?
Performance against Top 4 sides has nothing to do with the overall rating of a season?
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look who just crawled out of the crud cave
anyway all you wankers who dont agree with my assessment must really hate caro cos on 3aw today she said exactly what i said about the 5/10 rating
i guess she is a very stupid person also ::)
btw ox. you have no idea, none what so ever, and you are one to talk, please
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Back to topic folks ::).
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anyway all you wankers who dont agree with my assessment must really hate caro
I stopped reading here, the answer is yes
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look who just crawled out of the crud cave
btw ox. you have no idea, none what so ever,
his name is brackets, get it right. lol
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anyway all you wankers who dont agree with my assessment must really hate caro cos on 3aw today she said exactly what i said about the 5/10 rating
i guess she is a very stupid person also ::)
No she isn't...
She thinks Tezza is a great coach :whistle
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So additions to the list has nothing to do with the overall rating of a season?
Development of younger players has nothing to do with the overall rating of a season?
Impact of injuries has nothing to do with the overall rating of a season?
Performance against Top 4 sides has nothing to do with the overall rating of a season?
what about rating our skill level then INFAMY?
do you seriously think our skill level has improved under TW. I find it funny you mention all these other KPI's but no one ever brings up the skill level because it hasn't changed. Its the same now as it was 4 years or even 10 years ago.
its a joke!!
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Our skills have been praised in the media multiple times this season
First time I can ever remember it happening, so I would say that yes they have improved
Further improvement will come as our kids develop more stamina so they don't spray the ball when they are fatigued
They will get better as our kids become more accustomed to the elite level required
Finally they will get better as we support our team mates more, blocking the opposition to create leads all over the ground and protecting the ball carrier to give them space to dispose without being pressured.
The signs are there, it just takes time, I don't think our skills are good enough yet, but they are on their way
We are also focussing on kids in the draft who can kick, so they're only going to get better still
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our skills have definately improved. finally!
i would be happy if the tigers kept wallace, only if he just stuck to coaching and thats it and if we are successfull
but terry wants it all, and march, god bless him, wont give him all
we should stick with the draft and developing our own, which was terrys initial plan. terry should not now change his plan to save his butt by topping up
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our skills have definately improved. finally!
i would be happy if the tigers kept wallace, only if he just stuck to coaching and thats it and if we are successfull
but terry wants it all, and march, god bless him, wont give him all
we should stick with the draft and developing our own, which was terrys initial plan. terry should not now change his plan to save his butt by topping up
I completely agree with this and have no more to add.