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Tiger coach vulnerable: Miller
Tony Jones | September 7, 2008
DUMPED Richmond football director Greg Miller said he had "extreme concerns" for the welfare of coach Terry Wallace, with whom he remains a close ally.
Miller fears Wallace's tenure at Richmond is now more vulnerable than ever. "It's going to be difficult for him going into the season without harmony at the top," Miller told a luncheon at the North Ringwood Football Club during the week.
Miller was alluding to what many perceive as a strained relationship between Wallace and Richmond president Gary March.
The Tigers' boss has publicly stated that the senior coaching role won't be reviewed until next June.
But the Richmond board will meet on Tuesday night where the coaching issue is expected to be raised. So, too, will a progress report on the search for Miller's replacement.
It's understood a second round of interviews was conducted last week.
Miller believed the man he appointed to replace Danny Frawley will have a better idea about his future at the club when the AFL releases the 2009 fixture in the middle of next month.
"Terry will be praying for a favourable draw," Miller said.
Wallace, who is contracted until the end of next season, declined to comment when contacted by The Sunday Age, honouring a pact he and March made not to speak publicly about the coaching situation.
The Tigers finished ninth this season, equalling their best ladder performance in Wallace's four-year reign.
While expressing interest in the AFL's West Sydney expansion, Miller, who helped architect South Melbourne's move north, said he was in no hurry to find a job.
Instead, he's planning an around-Australia holiday with his family.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/tiger-coach-vulnerable-miller/2008/09/06/1220121603548.html
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GM is putting it out there.
9/11 is d-day.
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9/11 = confirmation of the new footy director. Has to be as it's the last board meeting before October and decision time on the list.
Anyway it's a bit late for March to make a pact not to talk publicly after the horse has bolted and made a fool of the club once again ::). In fact now is the time to come out publicly and make a united stand for the sake the club.
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In fact now is the time to come out publicly and make a united stand for the sake the club.
Long overdue :banghead
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In fact now is the time to come out publicly and make a united stand for the sake the club.
Long overdue :banghead
We shouldn't hold our breath though given the balls-ups over the past 3 months :scream
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9/11 = confirmation of the new footy director. Has to be as it's the last board meeting before October and decision time on the list.
Anyway it's a bit late for March to make a pact not to talk publicly after the horse has bolted and made a fool of the club once again ::). In fact now is the time to come out publicly and make a united stand for the sake the club.
Why would ya wanna do that?
That would spoil all this fun the media is having at our expense :banghead :banghead
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9/11 = confirmation of the new footy director. Has to be as it's the last board meeting before October and decision time on the list.
Anyway it's a bit late for March to make a pact not to talk publicly after the horse has bolted and made a fool of the club once again ::). In fact now is the time to come out publicly and make a united stand for the sake the club.
Why would ya wanna do that?
That would spoil all this fun the media is having at our expense :banghead :banghead
I believe Hutchy is hiding under the tiger skin in the RFC boardroom as we speak.
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The Tigers' boss has publicly stated that the senior coaching role won't be reviewed until next June.
But the Richmond board will meet on Tuesday night where the coaching issue is expected to be raised. So, too, will a progress report on the search for Miller's replacement.
Gee what is there to discuss exactly...
Fact: Gary March has publicly said TW will see out hi contract
Fact: Marsh has also said that no assistnats will be sacked
Fact: Marc hhas said they are looking to bolster the Footy Dept not sack people
Fact: March has said their is no fued or issues between himself and the senior coach
So IMV the only thing that needs to be "discussed" on Tuesday about the "coaching issue" is how many new coaches either assistant or development we intend to add to the dept
And how they are going to fix this mess that's been created over the last 2-3 months
If anything else is "discussed" then all of the facts listed above were what exactly ::) :banghead
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relax willie p
the only way wallet wont be coaching next yr is if he resigns.
If he resigns its because he doesnt like the fact that he doesnt have the final say in list management, or wants an extension when he has achieved........ZERO
Hence if he resigns ( which I doubt ) its a good thing. The club cannot be held to ransom by anyone, be it a player or coach.
IMHO march is doing a superb job, wallet is the one trying to destabalise the club ATM, and putting his own self interests ( job security )
above those interests of the club.
march wont put up with it, and rightly so
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relax willie p
the only way wallet wont be coaching next yr is if he resigns.
If he resigns its because he doesnt like the fact that he doesnt have the final say in list management, or wants an extension when he has achieved........ZERO
Hence if he resigns ( which I doubt ) its a good thing. The club cannot be held to ransom by anyone, be it a player or coach.
IMHO march is doing a superb job, wallet is the one trying to destabalise the club ATM, and putting his own self interests ( job security )
above those interests of the club.
march wont put up with it, and rightly so
Elaborate, Blaisee.
I haven't heard Wallace come out and say anything, so how do you know he's destabilising?
Heard a lot from the president who's giving ratings when he should just ignore such things.
Who's creating instability again?
March, at least, should come out in support of Wallace and shut the speculation up now.
Was it Wallace who put the assistant coaches noses out of joint or someone else.
There's more to this than an unhappy coach who wants an extension on his contract and an insult really to blame him for all of this.
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The Tigers' boss has publicly stated that the senior coaching role won't be reviewed until next June.
But the Richmond board will meet on Tuesday night where the coaching issue is expected to be raised. So, too, will a progress report on the search for Miller's replacement.
Gee what is there to discuss exactly...
Fact: Gary March has publicly said TW will see out hi contract
Fact: Marsh has also said that no assistnats will be sacked
Fact: Marc hhas said they are looking to bolster the Footy Dept not sack people
Fact: March has said their is no fued or issues between himself and the senior coach
So IMV the only thing that needs to be "discussed" on Tuesday about the "coaching issue" is how many new coaches either assistant or development we intend to add to the dept
And how they are going to fix this mess that's been created over the last 2-3 months
If anything else is "discussed" then all of the facts listed above were what exactly ::) :banghead
So all this means is we can get back to being Richmond and tell the media to p-off. And leave the board do ther thing and Terry to do his own thing. This is good to know.
Why do the media have it in for us all the time though?
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relax willie p
the only way wallet wont be coaching next yr is if he resigns.
If he resigns its because he doesnt like the fact that he doesnt have the final say in list management, or wants an extension when he has achieved........ZERO
Hence if he resigns ( which I doubt ) its a good thing. The club cannot be held to ransom by anyone, be it a player or coach.
IMHO march is doing a superb job, wallet is the one trying to destabalise the club ATM, and putting his own self interests ( job security )
above those interests of the club.
march wont put up with it, and rightly so
Elaborate, Blaisee.
I haven't heard Wallace come out and say anything, so how do you know he's destabilising?
Heard a lot from the president who's giving ratings when he should just ignore such things.
Who's creating instability again?
March, at least, should come out in support of Wallace and shut the speculation up now.
Was it Wallace who put the assistant coaches noses out of joint or someone else.
There's more to this than an unhappy coach who wants an extension on his contract and an insult really to blame him for all of this.
march has stated about 10 times publicly in the last month that wallace will coach next year. He has stated it again, and again and again.
March publicly that he rated the season as a 5/10. IMHO perfectly reasonable considering there are 16 teams in the league and we failed to make the finals. March has has also publicly that he rates wallaces performance higher than a 5/10.
The instability has not come from march.
Wallace in comparison has publicly undermined the president by saying that he was not made aware of millers sacking, and that he is not involved in the process of finding his replacement, furthermore he has tried to put pressure on the board to trade our picks and our young players to get Kerr, and hence save his arse and get another contract.
I really dont understand why some rfc fans are buying into this spin from wallace.
Wallace has deliberatly not been consulted on who his boss should be, thats the way it should be.
Wallace heading into the last year of his contract has not got the final say as to list management, again a very prudent move.
Wallace will not be sacked, and if he walks it will be his decision. March has been superb in all this.
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Wallace will not be sacked, and if he walks it will be his decision. March has been superb in all this.
Well, from your view.
Others (me) think Wallace has done a good job as well, and if he walks as a result of all this, and it disrupts our progress, no-one will be thinking too highly of March, including you I'd reckon.
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Wallace will not be sacked, and if he walks it will be his decision. March has been superb in all this.
Well, from your view.
Others (me) think Wallace has done a good job as well, and if he walks as a result of all this, and it disrupts our progress, no-one will be thinking too highly of March, including you I'd reckon.
moi
noone wants wallace to quit. Its called due dilligence.
Wallace had an unteneable situation were miller ( was wallaces boss) and he would make all the football decisions. Thats great, but miller didnt have a boss, he was his own boss.
Now that we will have a proper structure, wallace will have a new boss, the director of football. If wallace walks because of that well see you later dont let the door slam on the way out.
This club has moved forward a long way, Wright and march will not be held to ranson by anyone, coach or otherwise.
IMHO this is all bluff, wallet will coach next year, and then we will see how good he really is, hoipefully we make finals and his contract is extended. That is the goal I can assure you.
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You make some good points, Blaisee
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Wallace will not be sacked, and if he walks it will be his decision. March has been superb in all this.
Well, from your view.
Others (me) think Wallace has done a good job as well, and if he walks as a result of all this, and it disrupts our progress, no-one will be thinking too highly of March, including you I'd reckon.
moi
noone wants wallace to quit. Its called due dilligence.
Wallace had an unteneable situation were miller ( was wallaces boss) and he would make all the football decisions. Thats great, but miller didnt have a boss, he was his own boss.
Now that we will have a proper structure, wallace will have a new boss, the director of football. If wallace walks because of that well see you later dont let the door slam on the way out.
This club has moved forward a long way, Wright and march will not be held to ranson by anyone, coach or otherwise.
IMHO this is all bluff, wallet will coach next year, and then we will see how good he really is, hoipefully we make finals and his contract is extended. That is the goal I can assure you.
I'm in for the long haul. And I listen to those who know better that I do. And this seem so right. So I'm listening to it. There has to be bosses and the understaffers and if people don't like it then they are hiding from the truth.
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Its not often I say this but Blaisee's appraisal of the situation seems to be correct
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relax willie p
the only way wallet wont be coaching next yr is if he resigns.
If he resigns its because he doesnt like the fact that he doesnt have the final say in list management, or wants an extension when he has achieved........ZERO
Hence if he resigns ( which I doubt ) its a good thing. The club cannot be held to ransom by anyone, be it a player or coach.
IMHO march is doing a superb job, wallet is the one trying to destabalise the club ATM, and putting his own self interests ( job security )
above those interests of the club.
march wont put up with it, and rightly so
I agree blaisee Wallace wont quit (which we both know will disappoint some ;))
I disagree with you comment regarding Wallace being the one destabilising the Club ATM. I don't think we need to be Einstein to work out when it appears that all destabilisation started. A little bit of support there wouldn't have gone a stray.. But I digrese....
My view on list managment is that the Coach must have some say, alot of the say and this is why... and folks this is a hypothetical
What happens if pick 1 is put on the table and Melb say Tiges you can have it if you give us say Foley. List Manager thinks this is a great deal, Coach says nope Foley is not fro trade... who has the final say?
Surely it has to be the coach not the list manager
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relax willie p
the only way wallet wont be coaching next yr is if he resigns.
If he resigns its because he doesnt like the fact that he doesnt have the final say in list management, or wants an extension when he has achieved........ZERO
Hence if he resigns ( which I doubt ) its a good thing. The club cannot be held to ransom by anyone, be it a player or coach.
IMHO march is doing a superb job, wallet is the one trying to destabalise the club ATM, and putting his own self interests ( job security )
above those interests of the club.
march wont put up with it, and rightly so
I agree blaisee Wallace wont quit (which we both know will disappoint some ;))
I disagree with you comment regarding Wallace being the one destabilising the Club ATM. I don't think we need to be Einstein to work out when it appears that all destabilisation started. A little bit of support there wouldn't have gone a stray.. But I digrese....
My view on list managment is that the Coach must have some say, alot of the say and this is why... and folks this is a hypothetical
What happens if pick 1 is put on the table and Melb say Tiges you can have it if you give us say Foley. List Manager thinks this is a great deal, Coach says nope Foley is not fro trade... who has the final say?
Surely it has to be the coach not the list manager
WHY?
the list manager should have final say. Human nature being what it is, the coach will try and save his hide by making a short term decision, especially if he is in the last yr of his contract.
Thats exactly the reason why list management decisions have to be taken out of the coaches hands, and in the best run clubs in the land, that is exactly how it is done, and how it will be done at tigerland in the future.
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Surely it has to be the coach not the list manager
WHY?
the list manager should have final say. Human nature being what it is, the coach will try and save his hide by making a short term decision, especially if he is in the last yr of his contract.
Thats exactly the reason why list management decisions have to be taken out of the coaches hands, and in the best run clubs in the land, that is exactly how it is done, and how it will be done at tigerland in the future.
I tend to think a bit of both. It should one of the areas where the most collaboration football-wise occurs. The coach should have significant input, but not necessarily the final say, and I would bet you London to a brick that your Geelongs, Sydneys, Brisbanes, West Coasts etc of recent times have had a strong 'team' approach to list management. Letting one person - be it a coach or independent list manager - have autocratic control is just opening up the potential for unbalanced decision making.
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Surely it has to be the coach not the list manager
WHY?
the list manager should have final say. Human nature being what it is, the coach will try and save his hide by making a short term decision, especially if he is in the last yr of his contract.
Thats exactly the reason why list management decisions have to be taken out of the coaches hands, and in the best run clubs in the land, that is exactly how it is done, and how it will be done at tigerland in the future.
I tend to think a bit of both. It should one of the areas where the most collaboration football-wise occurs. The coach should have significant input, but not necessarily the final say, and I would bet you London to a brick that your Geelongs, Sydneys, Brisbanes, West Coasts etc of recent times have had a strong 'team' approach to list management. Letting one person - be it a coach or independent list manager - have autocratic control is just opening up the potential for unbalanced decision making.
Everything should be discussed and be a team effort. The battle of ideas should be encouraged, unltimately however we are talking about final say. and it can't be the coach, its gotta be the list manager
and it wont be the coaches.
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I have to agree.
There is no point paying a list manager if the coach is the one that is truly managing the list with the final decisions.
Wallace should be able to make his view on such an offer but when it comes to the crunch we let the guy with the title he's paid for list manage.
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Well one would think that the club would hire a coach who would fit the way the club wanted to go. No use hiring someone that has a radically different idea to you
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Well one would think that the club would hire a coach who would fit the way the club wanted to go. No use hiring someone that has a radically different idea to you
wallace was hired 4 years ago, alot has changed at the rfc since then
Great coaches continue evolving
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Well one would think that the club would hire a coach who would fit the way the club wanted to go. No use hiring someone that has a radically different idea to you
wallace was hired 4 years ago, alot has changed at the rfc since then
Great coaches continue evolving
Seems you have lost a fair bit of faith and respect in Wallace as a coach, blaisee. :-\
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Well one would think that the club would hire a coach who would fit the way the club wanted to go. No use hiring someone that has a radically different idea to you
wallace was hired 4 years ago, alot has changed at the rfc since then
Great coaches continue evolving
Seems you have lost a fair bit of faith and respect in Wallace as a coach, blaisee. :-\
no, not true
I work in facts
Fact is wallace has been coaching 12 years and hasnt made a grand final.
Fact is he has had 4 years and has one year left on his contract. and hasnt benn able to get the tigers into the finals
Fact is, he has no chance of continuing his career beyond next year if we dont make the finals in 2009.
Fact is, he needs to get used to the fact that unlike when he was appointed, the only job we need him to do now is coach
I think he is a great coach BTW, hopefully he proves that next year and he earns another contract.
I have however been dissapointed with the political pressure he has tried to exert on the board through his comments to the media. I really believe it has been an unnecassary distraction. His track record on this kind of thing is there for all to see and judge.
Shut your mouth and coach terry :thumbsup
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Well one would think that the club would hire a coach who would fit the way the club wanted to go. No use hiring someone that has a radically different idea to you
wallace was hired 4 years ago, alot has changed at the rfc since then
Great coaches continue evolving
Seems you have lost a fair bit of faith and respect in Wallace as a coach, blaisee. :-\
no, not true
I work in facts
Fact is wallace has been coaching 12 years and hasnt made a grand final.
Fact is he has had 4 years and has one year left on his contract. and hasnt benn able to get the tigers into the finals
Fact is, he has no chance of continuing his career beyond next year if we dont make the finals in 2009.
Fact is, he needs to get used to the fact that unlike when he was appointed, the only job we need him to do now is coach
I think he is a great coach BTW, hopefully he proves that next year and he earns another contract.
I have however been dissapointed with the political pressure he has tried to exert on the board through his comments to the media. I really believe it has been an unnecassary distraction. His track record on this kind of thing is there for all to see and judge.
Shut your mouth and coach terry :thumbsup
Dont we all . . . :pray
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I have however been dissapointed with the political pressure he has tried to exert on the board through his comments to the media.
Seems if you're Terry Wallace you can't win.
He was crucified when he left the Dogs and now he wants to stay at a club same thing.
And no other coach has used the media before for his own end?
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Surely it has to be the coach not the list manager
WHY?
the list manager should have final say. Human nature being what it is, the coach will try and save his hide by making a short term decision, especially if he is in the last yr of his contract.
Thats exactly the reason why list management decisions have to be taken out of the coaches hands, and in the best run clubs in the land, that is exactly how it is done, and how it will be done at tigerland in the future.
I tend to think a bit of both. It should one of the areas where the most collaboration football-wise occurs. The coach should have significant input, but not necessarily the final say, and I would bet you London to a brick that your Geelongs, Sydneys, Brisbanes, West Coasts etc of recent times have had a strong 'team' approach to list management. Letting one person - be it a coach or independent list manager - have autocratic control is just opening up the potential for unbalanced decision making.
List management should be like team selection where there is a selection commitee. The coach has his input and can make strong recommendations, however the buck stops with the Chairman.
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the list manager should have final say.
I can't agree with that.... they should be joint decisions at the very least.
You say hypothetcially what if the coach wants to trade Cotchin & Reiwoldt for Kerr the list manager has the right to veto but my arguement goes the other way.
WHat if the Coach says Foley (or worse still Cotchin) is off limits and "not for trade" but the list manager thinks pick 1 for Foley (Cotchin) is a good deal and wants to do that deal.
Who should have the final say then?
It's swings & roundabouts ;D
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Wallace has had too much to say in recruiting over the last 4 years and thats been the biggest problem.
Wallace = McMahon, Mark Graham, Kent Kingsley.
March wont let it continue and rightfully so!
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Wallace has had too much to say in recruiting over the last 4 years and thats been the biggest problem.
Wallace = McMahon, Mark Graham, Kent Kingsley.
March wont let it continue and rightfully so!
Using that argument... how do we rate these...
Wallace = Cotchin, Deledio, Tambling, McGuane, Reiwoldt, White, Thursfield, Rance, Connors, Polo, Pattison
:thumbsup
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Wallace has had too much to say in recruiting over the last 4 years and thats been the biggest problem.
Wallace = McMahon, Mark Graham, Kent Kingsley.
March wont let it continue and rightfully so!
As much as I hated giving up pick 19 for him, the only bad pickup in that bunch was Kingsley and he cost us nothing
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Wallace has had too much to say in recruiting over the last 4 years and thats been the biggest problem.
Wallace = McMahon, Mark Graham, Kent Kingsley.
March wont let it continue and rightfully so!
Using that argument... how do we rate these...
Wallace = Cotchin, Deledio, Tambling, McGuane, Reiwoldt, White, Thursfield, Rance, Connors, Polo, Pattison
:thumbsup
On a scale of A to E with A being the best possible result and E the worst Id reckon
Cotchin = A [he was a top 2 pick so we should have gotten an A grade player]
Deledio = A [he was the top selection so we should have gotten a A grade player]
Tambling = C [Selected at 4, hasnt lived up to a top 4 pick expectation yet]
McGuane= B [Selected in the 30s, being a latish pick its a B result, hes going ok]
Riewoldt= C [Selected in first 15 picks, going ok, C is a fair result]
White= B [Selected in PSD, Bargain pick, Going ok at Present, Gets a B because he was such a late pick]
Thursfield= A [Bargain pick, a great get, Gets an A]
Rance= Unknown, hasnt played yet
Conners= C [Picked in the 50s, going ok just, can play, can easily get to B with 20 game next season]
Polo= C-/D [Picked at 20, has stalled imho]
Pattison= C-/D [Picked at 16, tries really hard, has played games, not sure going forward
A=3, B=2, C=3, C-/D=2. I reckon its just a pass. JUST
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A=3, B=2, C=3, C-/D=2. I reckon its just a pass. JUST
To be fair you need to rate every other side as well as ours, otherwise the rating means little and it might just surprise you to see how we have done in comparison. And I don't think Wallace was solely responsible (for better or worse).
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A=3, B=2, C=3, C-/D=2. I reckon its just a pass. JUST
To be fair you need to rate every other side as well as ours, otherwise the rating means little and it might just surprise you to see how we have done in comparison. And I don't think Wallace was solely responsible (for better or worse).
Precisely
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A=3, B=2, C=3, C-/D=2. I reckon its just a pass. JUST
To be fair you need to rate every other side as well as ours, otherwise the rating means little and it might just surprise you to see how we have done in comparison. And I don't think Wallace was solely responsible (for better or worse).
Im not going to do this with every other side smokey. I just put up a rating for our players based on where they were taken in the draft. I think its a fair appraisal.
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So Tuesday (Supposed D-Day to some here) has come and gone. TW is still coach. What happened?
In terms of our draft choices we have chosen some players with early picks who have not lived up to their potential but conversely we have found some diamonds in the rough with late picks also. Overall though I think we have created a good young even list which is what will hopefully give us success.
Players like Lids and Cotch are standouts but the gap between our best players and weakest players is reducing every year. Over the past decade or more that has been our biggest problem - we relied on a few to win us games. Now we are looking for a more even spread of responsibility across the field and our recruiting reflects this.
Yes players such as JON, Casserly, Meyer and Polo have not performed to date but players of the calibre of Foley, Thursfield, White and McGuane have more than made up for them.
So in the big sceme of things we are still moving forward and TW (& co.) have done well.
Stripes
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