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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 25, 2008, 03:13:56 PM
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1. Winner and margin?
2. Norm Smith medallist?
3. Will you be watching it?
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1. Winner and margin? Geelong, will be close for a while but the pussies will kick to a 40 point win.
2. Norm Smith medallist? G Ablett
3. Will you be watching it? MCC member I will be there - Hopefully not in the Bullring from 1/4 on like last year. :rollin
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1. Winner and margin? Geelong 98 points
2. Norm Smith medallist? Joel Selwood
3. Will you be watching it? Yes
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1. Geelong, I hope by 150+ but probably going to be by about 38 points
2. GAJ
3. Yep, dunno where yet though, location could be weather dependent
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1. Got a 2001 feeling about this one, Hawks by 17
2. Chance Bateman
3. I should think so
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Here's the GF teams for those interested.
Geelong
B: Tom Harley, Matthew Scarlett, Josh Hunt
HB: Darren Milburn, Harry Taylor, Andrew Mackie
C: Joel Selwood, Cameron Ling, Corey Enright
HF: Steve Johnson, Cameron Mooney, Jimmy Bartel
F: Paul Chapman, Tom Lonergan, Mathew Stokes
Foll: Brad Ottens, Joel Corey, Gary Ablett
I/C: Mark Blake, Travis Varcoe, James Kelly, Max Rooke
EMG: David Wojcinski, Ryan Gamble, Shannon Byrnes
In: Chapman
Out: David Wojcinski
Hawthorn
B: Stephen Gilham, Trent Croad, Brent Guerra
HB: Grant Birchall, Luke Hodge, Rick Ladson
C: Jordan Lewis, Sam Mitchell, Chance Bateman
HF: Michael Osborne, Lance Franklin, Cyril Rioli
F: Mark Williams, Jarryd Roughead, Campbell Brown
Foll: Robert Campbell, Brad Sewell, Shane Crawford
I/C: Stuart Dew, Xavier Ellis, Brent Renouf, Clinton Young
EMG: Thomas Murphy, Simon Taylor, Travis Tuck
No change
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i dont care about margins and all that crap i just want them to get stuffin smackedddddddddddddddddddddddddd
hawks that is
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1. Winner and margin? Cats by 30
2. Norm Smith medallist? Otto
3. Will you be watching it? Yep
Bomber Thompson didn't back away tonight from saying if Hodge is in the wrong place at the wrong time they won't shy away from going in "hard" within the rules. Might be a few fireworks coming up.
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1. Winner and margin? Geelong by 67 points
2. Norm Smith medallist? Andrew Mackie
3. Will you be watching it? Absolutely, with two rabid Hawks fans. :rollin
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What are peoples thoughts on allowing an extra man on the bench for the GF.
Seemingly every year some poor b@stard who played the preliminary final misses out because someone is returning from injury and suspension. I know that if two players were returning you would then have the situation again, but statistically it would happen less.
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Geelong by 47 points
Mark Blake :lol
Prefer to watch the paint dry
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What are peoples thoughts on allowing an extra man on the bench for the GF.
Seemingly every year some poor b@stard who played the preliminary final misses out because someone is returning from injury and suspension. I know that if two players were returning you would then have the situation again, but statistically it would happen less.
Nope. Don't fix what ain't broken.
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1. Winner and margin? Geelong by 21
2. Norm Smith medallist? Joel Selwood
3. Will you be watching it? Pope a Catholic?
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What are peoples thoughts on allowing an extra man on the bench for the GF.
Seemingly every year some poor b@stard who played the preliminary final misses out because someone is returning from injury and suspension. I know that if two players were returning you would then have the situation again, but statistically it would happen less.
The game is not a charity.
The best 22 is how it is and it shouldnt change just because players get unlucky now and then.
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1. Winner and margin? Geelong 14 points
2. Norm Smith medallist? Luke Hodge
3. Will you be watching it? No need to answer this one
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1. Winner and margin? Cats 35, but I'm hoping for more ;D
2. Norm Smith medallist? Brad Ottens
3. Will you be watching it? Are the Kennedys gun shy?
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1. Winner and margin? Geelong, once they get past the famed zone, will steamroll them and win by 10 goals
2. Norm Smith medallist? Cam Mooney ($26)
3. Will you be watching it? No, I've just got my hands on an illegally downloaded copy of revenge of the nerds 3, might watch that instead.
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No, I've just got my hands on an illegally downloaded copy of revenge of the nerds 3, might watch that instead.
Is there room for one more on your couch? :lol
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1. Winner and margin? Geelong by 27 points (after leading by 40 at 3qt)
2. Norm Smith medallist? Selwood
3. Will you be watching it? Yes - but only to catch the GF sprint at half time....go White Lightning...uphold the tradition. :gotigers
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Just abit of Q and A generally other than the questions being asked.
If you were a normal person not a troll as 99.99% of Hawk fans are and your team was in the Grand Final wouldn't you be ecstatic about being in a Grand Final not smug about what other teams exploits have been over the last 25 years. Especially as you have not won anything yet? I know what I'd be doing if the Tigs were playing and that would be living for the moment and if they won hand out all the receipts that I have written out over the years with the glee of a heterosexual bloke in a room full of buxom 20 yo virgins all to himself. Anyway I'm rambling on about the future back to the present or not so distant future.
1. Winner and margin? Geelong 48 points :pray
2. Norm Smith medallist? Gary Ablett :pray
3. Will you be watching it? Yes with the rest of my family who are Hawthorn supporters and it could be payback time. :thumbsup
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Well it's lived up to the hype although the Cats have stuffed up in front of goal. Hawks lucky to be in front but bad kicking is bad footy by Geelong. Nice fair bump by Scarlett on Buddy lol. Mitchell is a sniper with his flying elbows.
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Hawks fans are going to even more unbearable now :P but at least Crawf deservedly leaves the game with a premiership. We can also say we were the last ones to beat the premiers lol. In fact our win was probably the reason why Hodge was moved back into defence as sweeper/quarterback in the corridor and won him a Norm Smith.
It ended up being a replay of the 1998 GF. Like North, Geelong blew it in the second quarter not putting their dominance on the scoreboard keeping Hawthorn in the game. 1.9 and then 6.20 after quarter time where the Hawks made the most of every inside 50. Just further shows how critical goalkicking is in footy. Geelong also lost it at the selection table. Varcoe and Stokes had absolute shockers.
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The Hawks dominated down back and rebounding from D50.
Geelong couldnt match their run in the end as well as missing some goals and also making some terrible decisions when they had players on inside 50.
Well done to the Hawks, they deserve it.
Hopefully in 2 years our backline will be even better and deliver us a flag.
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Hawks fans are going to even more unbearable now :P but at least Crawf deservedly leaves the game with a premiership.
I'm no Geelong fan but the dawks poo me, too late now, we just must MUST win a flag in the next 2-3 years.
One thing I said to a mate was the only reason I would not hold a grudge against the farmers would be for Crawford, he deserves one.
Spewin - GO STORM
You know one thing good that came out of it, the Geelong handbag tag hasn't quite dissappeared yet. :rollin
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I don't see us winning a flag in the next 2-3 years to be honest but hey you never know. That's 2-3 years more experience and development, 2-3 years more drafts worth of players, and all our new facilities at Punt Rd and Craigieburn will be finished and is use by then.
You know one thing good that came out of it, the Geelong handbag tag hasn't quite dissappeared yet. :rollin
Yep self-destruction in front of goal. 20 more inside 50s, 17 more clearances and 9 more scoring shots. The Cats should had won by 5 goals plus but they chocked. Otto and Mooney especially missed absolute sitters.
I don't think Thompson will be snacking on his lunch in the box anymore.
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What are peoples thoughts on allowing an extra man on the bench for the GF.
Seemingly every year some poor b@stard who played the preliminary final misses out because someone is returning from injury and suspension. I know that if two players were returning you would then have the situation again, but statistically it would happen less.
I wouldn't add an ex-player as that changes the game and tactics but I would say if you've played some many games during the year then you should receive some recognition of helping the team get to a Granny. In the US they give everyone associated with the winning franchise a champion ring.
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Like North, Geelong blew it in the second quarter not putting their dominance on the scoreboard keeping Hawthorn in the game. 1.9 and then 6.20 after quarter time where the Hawks made the most of every inside 50. Just further shows how critical goalkicking is in footy.
Hawthorn somehow managed to boss Geelong. Cats couldn't break the lines and Hawks got numbers back so that Geelong had a conested forward line. On the rebound Hawks managed to find the extra man and get it in early. Cats blew it in Q2, but thereafter they were forced wide for many of their set shots.
Who else tipped the Hawks ;D
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Hawthorn somehow managed to boss Geelong. Cats couldn't break the lines and Hawks got numbers back so that Geelong had a conested forward line. On the rebound Hawks managed to find the extra man and get it in early. Cats blew it in Q2, but thereafter they were forced wide for many of their set shots.
Who else tipped the Hawks ;D
Did you have some hard earned on it jake? Would've done nicely out of it.
I know others will disagree with me here as they did after our loss to Carlton were we missed sitter after sitter but footy is such a momentum game nowdays and when it's your turn you've got to make the most of it on the scoreboard. Scoreboard pressure is huge. The Cats put more and more pressure on themselves with each and every miss. They would've gone into half-time gutted to be behind on the scoreboard knowing that in general play they were playing all over the Hawks. Mooney missing from 5m out after the siren (imagine the uproar if that was Richo) and Otto's selfish miss lol ignoring Lonergan in the goalsquare. Actually it was first time in 2 years Geelong played selfish footy ignoring wide open teammates inside 50. The pressure of failing to score got to them.
Hawthorn did well to keep their composure, discipline (apart from Mitchell) and stick to their gameplan (Hodge plonked in the defensive corridor) despite the onslaught but that was made easier because there was no scoreboard pressure on them. Geelong would've used plenty of juice too in that onslaught period for no reward. When the momentum wheel eventually turned (2nd half of both 3rd and 4th quarters) the Hawks made them pay.
The worse thing about yesterday is the AFL will now bring in another rule change to counter deliberate rushed behinds :banghead after Hawthorn conceded 11 of them.
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The most interesting things that I took out of the GF yesterday was:
1/ Geelong had no plan B, C, D or anything. When they got in strife they didn't try anything different :o. The 2nd qtr killed them, bad kicking = bad footy. Some of their "stars" faltered. Thank goodness for Junior. Actually will admit any doubts I had about Junior were dispelled with his efforts yesterday, he busted his guts, sadly some of his mates cannot say the same thing.
2/ Skill errors - couldn't believe the Geelong skill errors... it reminded me of ...er.... us :rollin
3/ With the exception of Hodge it was the lesser lights of the Dawks that won them that game. It wasn't Buddy (who went missing - kicked goals when the game was over see 6 below) or Mitchell (who was more interested in sniping) but the likes of Ladsen, Osborne, Young, Gilham who set that game up for them
4/ Mitchell is a sniper and should get 4 weeks for his hit on Junior - clearly didn't have eyes on the ball. And he is very lucky he didn't collect that Cats player (who I cannot remember in the 1st) with his elbow or he'd be looking at 6 weeks for that alone. That isn't leadership, that's cowardly
5/ Cyril Rioli is going to be stae
6/ Buddy - very dispoointing yesterday - kicked goals when the game had been broken open. And he gets hit twice and both times he hits the ground like he's been shot looking for a free. Soft as custard was Buddy ;D
Not looking forward to work tomorrow ...so many Dawk supporters :chuck :chuck :chuck UNBEARABLE it will be
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Sammy Mitchell cleared.
what a disgrace the Match Review panel are.
bunch of fuckheads
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Couldnt agree with the match review panel more.
Ablett had his head over the ball and Sam Mitchell crunched him on the shoulder, not on the head. Ablett was within 5 metres of the ball so Ablett had every reason to expect a bump and Mitchell had every right to dish it out.
And a bloody good one it was too. :thumbsup
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Amazing how a club like Hawthorn can get it right from a rebuild. Makes Richmond look stupid all over again :banghead
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Couldnt agree with the match review panel more.
Ablett had his head over the ball and Sam Mitchell crunched him on the shoulder, not on the head. Ablett was within 5 metres of the ball so Ablett had every reason to expect a bump and Mitchell had every right to dish it out.
And a bloody good one it was too. :thumbsup
Have to disagree....
Mitchell at no stage had eyes for the ball, his "bump" made contact above the shoulder with Junior's head.
Going by what the "learned panel" at Match review has dished out during the course of this season - Mitchell deserved to be sanctioned.....
All I want is consistency... this decision shows a form consistency. And that is the lack of it.
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Couldnt agree with the match review panel more.
Ablett had his head over the ball and Sam Mitchell crunched him on the shoulder, not on the head. Ablett was within 5 metres of the ball so Ablett had every reason to expect a bump and Mitchell had every right to dish it out.
And a bloody good one it was too. :thumbsup
Have to disagree....
Mitchell at no stage had eyes for the ball, his "bump" made contact above the shoulder with Junior's head.
Going by what the "learned panel" at Match review has dished out during the course of this season - Mitchell deserved to be sanctioned.....
All I want is consistency... this decision shows a form consistency. And that is the lack of it.
Mitchell's bump from the hip did not make contact to Ablett jnr's head, it hit him flush on the shoulder, I am 100% certain of that. An angle 7 showed on GF day showed it perfectly while the others were inconclusive.
If I saw Ablett's head was made contact I would be completely on the same side as you but as there was no head high contact there is nothing cite him for. Also there is no law against having to go for the football in a bump when the other player is contesting the ball, that's what the bump is all about.
Absolute ripper bump and I loved it. :clapping
And if you think consistency isnt being shown maybe they're showing actually showing consistency after the Cats player (Trent West?) absolutely polaxed Xavier Clarke who was no where near the ball and he had to be stretchered off. Zero weeks.
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Mitchell's bump from the hip did not make contact to Ablett jnr's head, it hit him flush on the shoulder, I am 100% certain of that. An angle 7 showed on GF day showed it perfectly while the others were inconclusive.
If I saw Ablett's head was made contact I would be completely on the same side as you but as there was no head high contact there is nothing cite him for. Also there is no law against having to go for the football in a bump when the other player is contesting the ball, that's what the bump is all about.
Absolute ripper bump and I loved it. :clapping
And if you think consistency isnt being shown maybe they're showing actually showing consistency after the Cats player (Trent West?) absolutely polaxed Xavier Clarke who was no where near the ball and he had to be stretchered off. Zero weeks.
Ch7 News showed the bump again from 2 different angles and Mitchell made contact with the head of Junior based on both bits of vision they showed tonight.
Mitchell went straight at Ablett and made contact with both the shoulder and above, which means there was head high contact for mine.
For the "learned panel" to use as part of their "considerations" the reasoning that Ling pushed Mitchell and thereby causing things to fall outside Mitchell's control is drawing a long bow IMHO.
I don't think they are showing much consistency based on exactly what you are saying. One week someone gets off the next week they cite a bloke....
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Amazing how a club like Hawthorn can get it right from a rebuild. Makes Richmond look stupid all over again :banghead
you are 100% correct.
2004 draft is the reason they are where they are today.
we had more picks inside the top 20 and we stuffed it. Alternatively they can thank that draft and Richmond FC for handing them their 10th flag
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Mitchell's bump from the hip did not make contact to Ablett jnr's head, it hit him flush on the shoulder, I am 100% certain of that. An angle 7 showed on GF day showed it perfectly while the others were inconclusive.
If I saw Ablett's head was made contact I would be completely on the same side as you but as there was no head high contact there is nothing cite him for. Also there is no law against having to go for the football in a bump when the other player is contesting the ball, that's what the bump is all about.
Absolute ripper bump and I loved it. :clapping
And if you think consistency isnt being shown maybe they're showing actually showing consistency after the Cats player (Trent West?) absolutely polaxed Xavier Clarke who was no where near the ball and he had to be stretchered off. Zero weeks.
Ch7 News showed the bump again from 2 different angles and Mitchell made contact with the head of Junior based on both bits of vision they showed tonight.
Mitchell went straight at Ablett and made contact with both the shoulder and above, which means there was head high contact for mine.
For the "learned panel" to use as part of their "considerations" the reasoning that Ling pushed Mitchell and thereby causing things to fall outside Mitchell's control is drawing a long bow IMHO.
I don't think they are showing much consistency based on exactly what you are saying. One week someone gets off the next week they cite a bloke....
We disagree as much as we like but as long as I maintain (and am in rock solid belief from the angle I saw) that Abletts head did not get collected by Mitchell and you're the other way round I dont think we are going to agree. ;D
Is the MRPs reasoning anywhere on the web yet?
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2004 draft is the reason they are where they are today.
rubbish
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2004 draft is the reason they are where they are today.
rubbish
rubbish.
Well i have almost 200 reasons to suggest otherwise.
Buddy and Roughead. How many goals did they kick again in 2008? Yes exactly apology accepted.
Throw in tough nut Lewis.
bang!!
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2004 draft is the reason they are where they are today.
rubbish
rubbish.
Well i have almost 200 reasons to suggest otherwise.
Buddy and Roughead. How many goals did they kick again in 2008? Yes exactly apology accepted.
Throw in tough nut Lewis.
bang!!
I don't remember Roughead kicking 90 goals in 2008. Did he even get 90 kicks for the year?
Go and barrack for the Waverley Thugs that used to come from Glenferrie if you like these guys so much.
Buddy is the most undisciplined player in the AFL, on and off the field, that is why he has a full time minder, even at GF celebrations only attended by players and family....to keep the other players and families safe. You did not see any Hawk players patting Buddy on the head after they won the GF, did you? They know that hair is dangerous these days.
Finals footy produces champions....not duds like Buddy who can't get a kick when the pressure comes on....when one of his team mates passes it too him (oops I meant used to pass it to him)....oops another undisciplined slash at the footy and the resultant point.....no wonder Clarko moved him away from FF but didn't have the guts to drop a 100 goal hog. (I wouldn't have either mind you)
Chris Judd showed his disgust at the West Coast culture by coming east to those mongrels at Optus.
Shane Crawford is about to hang up his boots......for similar reasons.....its best to get out of the fire while the kindling is still trying to get our attention.
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2004 draft is the reason they are where they are today.
rubbish
rubbish.
Well i have almost 200 reasons to suggest otherwise.
Yes exactly apology accepted.
bang!!
I don't remember Roughead kicking 90 goals in 2008. Did he even get 90 kicks for the year?
Go and barrack for the Waverley Thugs that used to come from Glenferrie if you like these guys so much.
Buddy is the most undisciplined player in the AFL, on and off the field, that is why he has a full time minder, even at GF celebrations only attended by players and family....to keep the other players and families safe. You did not see any Hawk players patting Buddy on the head after they won the GF, did you? They know that hair is dangerous these days.
Finals footy produces champions....not duds like Buddy who can't get a kick when the pressure comes on....when one of his team mates passes it too him (oops I meant used to pass it to him)....oops another undisciplined slash at the footy and the resultant point.....no wonder Clarko moved him away from FF but didn't have the guts to drop a 100 goal hog. (I wouldn't have either mind you)
Chris Judd showed his disgust at the West Coast culture by coming east to those mongrels at Optus.
Shane Crawford is about to hang up his boots......for similar reasons.....its best to get out of the fire while the kindling is still trying to get our attention.
First you tell me to support the blues and now its the Hawks. Which one is it??
i agree with you about only one thing. Buddy having a "MINDER"
A good mate lives with Sewell and we played poker last year and he told me then the same thing. Loose cannon he is, but who cares he is a century goal kicker and a premiership player
If you think Shane Crawford is going to hang up his boots because of the off field behaviour at Glenferrie than you dont know anything about Football, in fact im sure you dont.
Read my post again "almost 200 reasons to suggest otherwise" Buddy=113 goals, Rough-75goals = 188 goals.
They would never have won a flag withouth these 2 i am 100% sure of that, surely you can see that.
Ill repeat again, the 2004 Draft was the most important Draft for them resulting in a flag.
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Ill repeat again, the 2004 Draft was the most important Draft for them resulting in a flag.
Only 4 of their premiership 22 came from the 2004 draft. Their most influential players came from other drafts. It takes a whole team of 22 to win a flag anyway.
That 2004 draft was important for them as it was a second wave of top youngsters to add their already existing young core and to balance up their list but if they didn't have that existing core of mostly mids all now in their mid 20s and with 7 or so years experience behind them they wouldn't have won the flag. All top sides have strong midfields with depth to rotate 10 or so players through there.
Apart from their best youngsters post-2004 we haven't yet seen most of their kids they've drafted in the Clarkson era at AFL level yet people expect all our cubs to match a Hawthorn. The only thing we have in common with the Hawks is we both finished down the bottom in 2004. People continue to ignore the state of both lists at the time as well as the financial positions and off-field resources. We needed to start from scratch both on and off-field. Hawthorn didn't.