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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: bushranger on October 10, 2008, 02:39:07 PM
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Captain Not So Marvellous, is he going to retire. Or are we going to have to suffer another year with a half ranked player like him.
I think he should be pushed out now and not make us suffer another year. :banghead
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Ooh please no. We need to be put out of our misery right now.
He brings no value to this team whatsoever.
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I reckon Sugar will hand over the captaincy to Newy for next year and then we'll play Sugar in his final year of footy as a pinchhitter in the midfield off the bench and on a HFF minding an attacking opposition rebounder. Someone we can throw in and take the hits so our young mids aren't forced to do all the workload. Even though his body is showing his footy age (over 30), the club rates highly what Sugar brings to the club and team (professionalism on and off the track) and we did win 8 of our last 11 games so he can't be the worst captain going around ;).
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The "Bottom Line" is the players have his support. ???
mAYBE THE PLAYERS NEED A KICK UP THE BUTT (geez I hate leaving caps lock on) :shh Maybe ? Actually ! for sure the players and the club need to move forward here, I am just not sure who with.
I once again will say Richoman for 2009 and see who can stand up as not only a player but enforcer, for until we develop a team of tough bastards we will forever be treading water.
We are getting there, in 09 I want to see toughness come in, I want the Clarkson mentality of playerpushing the boundaries, nothing less will take us the next step forward to where we belong ....
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Surely peeing on a police station wall does not constitute professionalism off the field MT. If the club had more backbone they would have taken the captaincy from him rather than take the easy way out and sanction him by offering a mandatory one game suspension. He can be used as a pinchitter at best if need be but he has run his race as Captain I feel and if the club is insisting and promoting this youth policy then possibly a younger captain Newy seems a logical choice is the go. Take the captaincy off him if he aint in our long term plans also it would be unwise from a leadership perspective to have him linger there when in 2010 he will more than likely not be at the club. Let him play without the restriction of it this year. If we have modelled ourselves on Cats model take a leaf out of the Hawk one as well and place a much younger player as captain with Richo as the spiritual on field and club leader much like the Mitchell and Crawford partnership at the Hawks.
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well according to wikipedia
deledio's the new captin :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond_Football_Club
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well according to wikipedia
deledio's the new captin :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond_Football_Club
dont make me pee my pants.
i feel like celebrating..
is this true or is brackets stuffin around again??
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It's wiki, of course it's not officially true.
But I agree, would be an excellent choice.
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But I agree, would be an excellent choice.
Not yet, not nearly ready or the right time for it.
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But I agree, would be an excellent choice.
Not yet, not nearly ready or the right time for it.
Disagree. The kid is a leader and now knows his level at AFL. If he wants it, he can have it imo.
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But I agree, would be an excellent choice.
Not yet, not nearly ready or the right time for it.
Disagree. The kid is a leader and now knows his level at AFL. If he wants it, he can have it imo.
Probably going to end up an "agree to disgree" thing but IMO he needs to be the one that others look up to and want to follow into 'battle' - he is still very much learning how to be that person.
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As much as I man love Lids I would be more inclined to give it to Newy or Foley.
I would like to see Lids able to fully develop as a footballer without the burden of captaincy. I think he needs to establish himself as a full time midfielder with an improvement on his defensive side before captaincy comes into the equation for him.
In regards to Kane Johnson I can't deny he is hardly an on field inspiring player. However I do appreciate he had a difficult job in difficult times and I believe he has fully given all that he could to the RFC.
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Think Cotchin long-term will be the leader in our team.
Would rather us pad it out than give it to Lids. Richo next year. Maybe Newman year after if Richo calls it a day. Then Cotchin.
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Think Cotchin long-term will be the leader in our team.
Would rather us pad it out than give it to Lids. Richo next year. Maybe Newman year after if Richo calls it a day. Then Cotchin.
I could live with that.
Richo for 1 or 2 has a lot of appeal.
:cheers
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But I agree, would be an excellent choice.
Not yet, not nearly ready or the right time for it.
Disagree. The kid is a leader and now knows his level at AFL. If he wants it, he can have it imo.
Probably going to end up an "agree to disgree" thing but IMO he needs to be the one that others look up to and want to follow into 'battle' - he is still very much learning how to be that person.
Eh. Perhaps. Maybe Lids doesnt want to be the man in the firing line but just the way he conducted himself on the field in the last half of the season was simply excellent. I'm not sure if Newy or Foley are any better than Lids in that regard.
Either would be fine choices though.
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Richo should be the cap'n,if this club still stands for anything it used to.
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I don't think Lids is a natural leader. He is a quite introverted star but is not particularly vocal on or off the field. He is very focused on his game and not boasted the morale of his fellow teammates or directed them.
If you had to pick a natural leader - Kingy would be my first choice because he is tough, directs traffic and is outspoken but...he is lacking in terms of skillful on field performance. Riewoldt falls in almost the same category as Kingy but is performing slightly better on field. Cotch will definately tick all the boxes in the future but is still a long way off.
Richo for a year or two would be fantastic but you run the risk of him missing great slabs of the season if injury hits.
Newman is the most logical choice for the next couple of years at least.
Stripes
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when do we think our new captain will be announced ?
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Richo should be the cap'n,if this club still stands for anything it used to.
i want lids captain but if Richo gets the gig i would love that also.
No one deserves it more than him.
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when do we think our new captain will be announced ?
Somehow I don't think we're going to have a new captain next year, Sugar will keep the 17
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I truely hope that you are wrong. We have the weakest leader in the AFL and for that matter the VFL to. He's a :wallywink
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when do we think our new captain will be announced ?
Somehow I don't think we're going to have a new captain next year, Sugar will keep the 17
Not sure about that Infamy. I reckon he has done a good job thus far and now as the kids are ready for the next step would be a good time to hand on to either of Newman or Foley. Let Johnson keep doing his good work behind the scenes as he gets overtaken for a gameday position by the younger players. I have a feeling that one more year might be one too many as Captain - to handover now would be a win win. There will also be much less pressure on the match committee to keep picking him on form if he isn't Captain.
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when do we think our new captain will be announced ?
Any captaincy announcement wont happen until the New Year.
Whether there is any change will greatly depend on the current captain and what he decides to do
Whether we like it or not the playing group hold Kane Johnson in the highest regard as a leader and as long as they respect him, play for him and want him in the job then that is what's important and should be the main factor in any decision. Their view is certainly more important than what the we as fans perceive or want.
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I truely hope that you are wrong. We have the weakest leader in the AFL and for that matter the VFL to. He's a :wallywink
you see your a smart person and thats a very smart post.
people on here who are happy for Captain usless to remain head of the club obviously dont care about the RFC.
read my lips he is USELESS.
DONT SOME OF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AS A CLUB????
under this fool it aint gonna happen. he provides nothing. If he must be in the side then pinch hit him and maybe he might play better.
relive him of the captaincy and free him of the burden of being the worst Captain ever of the RFC.
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Adam Simpson has quit as captain after 5 years in the job and at 32 years of age. Simpson said he stepped down as captain because next year will be his final year of footy. He's two years older than Sugar who has been our captain for the past 4 years. Interesting to see if Johnno stays on as captain for one more year or if 2009 is his last year like it is for Simpson if he steps down and passes the captaincy onto Newy, Axel or someone else.
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Dwayne Russell on 3aw just now said Richmond needs to find a new captain as it's fairly known ??? the club hasn't re-annointed Johnson as captain.
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Callers were saying Richo should get one year. Russell said one year wouldn't do any harm and it'd look good on the honour role.
Healy said he would give the captaincy to Newman. After being pushed for a reason by a Tigers fan who wanted Richo, Healy said he's seen Newman operate and believes the captaincy won't take away from his own game and form. Richo is 35 (sic) and at that age you need to focus on your own game.
They then got onto which out of Lids or Cotchin will end up our captain. Russell said Lids is obviously in front at this stage but who'll end up the better player. Healy said captaincy isn't about the best player but the best captain.
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Dwayne Russell on 3aw just now said Richmond needs to find a new captain as it's fairly known ??? the club hasn't re-annointed Johnson as captain.
Annointed? isnt that what a priest does to a person on their death bed? His not the greatest captain we've evr seen but......
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I really hope that he doesn't (Kane) get reappointed as our captain.
But as it has been sad before we ain't at the coal face to know what is going on.
So we have to abide by the desicion they make and support it 100%.
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I have given this a lot of thought (apart from Spring Racing and Cricket, there is not much else to ponder right now).
I see everyones point of view on Kane Johnston.
I also see the view on Lids, Newman, Foley and even Cotchin.
With the exception of Newman (who IMO is not good enough to be captain, has not finished top 3 in our B&F in 8 years) it should be between the other 3.
So we need 1-2 years.
While it would be fantastic the see the number 12 run out with number 17 on his back, its romantic.
So its leave Johnston there for another year and let Foley and Lids battle it out or hope Cotchin explodes next year and puts his hand up (highly unlikely).
It may not be the popular choice but it is the most sensible. Newman as captain is no different to Johnston. He is not a good enough player to deliver on the "match winning" bursts of inspiration that we need from our next captain.
I reckon we sit tight for another year and let the young talent rise to the top of our leadership group naturally and then look forward to the best young crop of young talent in the AFL lead our side for the next 5-8 years.
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Give it to the big lug.
:cheers
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Richo is and will remain so while playing a spritual leader of the team. From a romantic point of view Richo as captain sounds ideal. Realistically i dont think he is the right option, he did an excellent job last year after being freed from the forward line to run free, doing pretty much what he liked. Giving him the captaincy would detract from that and i feel tie him down to much. I dont like the option of putting someone else in the role for a year just to dump sugar and fill a hole, unless he is retiring after next season and wants to play without the extra pressure. If sugar has the support/loyalty of the team and coach he should hold onto it for the next year or two until either Axel,Lids or Cotch put their hand up and then lead for the next 5+ years.
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They talked about the captaincy briefly on SEN before. They asked themselves if Lids should be Richmond captain and they thought for the next 2-3 years he should be allowed to play his own game as a gun.
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I have given this a lot of thought (apart from Spring Racing and Cricket, there is not much else to ponder right now).
I see everyones point of view on Kane Johnston.
I also see the view on Lids, Newman, Foley and even Cotchin.
With the exception of Newman (who IMO is not good enough to be captain, has not finished top 3 in our B&F in 8 years) it should be between the other 3.
So we need 1-2 years.
While it would be fantastic the see the number 12 run out with number 17 on his back, its romantic.
So its leave Johnston there for another year and let Foley and Lids battle it out or hope Cotchin explodes next year and puts his hand up (highly unlikely).
It may not be the popular choice but it is the most sensible. Newman as captain is no different to Johnston. He is not a good enough player to deliver on the "match winning" bursts of inspiration that we need from our next captain.
I reckon we sit tight for another year and let the young talent rise to the top of our leadership group naturally and then look forward to the best young crop of young talent in the AFL lead our side for the next 5-8 years.
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Excellent post y&b
Whether people agree or not (I do btw) very well said :thumbsup
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They talked about the captaincy briefly on SEN before. They asked themselves if Lids should be Richmond captain and they thought for the next 2-3 years he should be allowed to play his own game as a gun.
I strongly believe that as well, he needs to develop and cement himself as an elite player before he can be considered as captaincy material.
He has great potential and could be one of the games best and I would hate to see his development in that regard hampered or derailed by the burdens of captaincy.
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The point that I agree with most is the one one most have said even if we disagree to it, Even if Kane has the support and loyaty at Richmond this is all that matters. And if he has it he should keep the job.
I don't like him as our captain I will say outright. But I agree with what has been said. So if this is what the team wants then I will follow suit to, much to my own dislike.
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The thing about Kane is that while we had a young developing side from all accounts he is an excellent role model (except for that one little wee accident) and is actively involved in the young cubs development.
An alternative on field captain during Kane's term may not have focused as much on the developing young kids and while Kane still has value in this area and his on field game is sufficient to justify selection then I say fine let him captain.
However the time for an on field leader is soon.
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I guess one question is do you keep Kane as captain in his final year of footy when there's no obvious successor to him OR make a change now to a Newy or Foley where the new captain will still have Sugar around as a mentor to learn off in terms of the role both on and off-field.
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I guess one question is do you keep Kane as captain in his final year of footy when there's no obvious successor to him OR make a change now to a Newy or Foley where the new captain will still have Sugar around as a mentor to learn off in terms of the role both on and off-field.
Actually that is a good call MT, I'll pay that and convert to the second option.
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I guess one question is do you keep Kane as captain in his final year of footy when there's no obvious successor to him OR make a change now to a Newy or Foley where the new captain will still have Sugar around as a mentor to learn off in terms of the role both on and off-field.
Why put all your eggs in one basket when there is no clear choice for captain?
He can mentor the emerging leaders - which should be Foley, Newman and Deledio - and be captain.
In cricket, how often does the test captain leave cricket the year after relinquishing the captaincy.
In fact, it is a relatively recent thing in AFL football where the captain plays on for a year or two after standing down.
It should only make sense when it makes sense to do so!
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I guess one question is do you keep Kane as captain in his final year of footy when there's no obvious successor to him OR make a change now to a Newy or Foley where the new captain will still have Sugar around as a mentor to learn off in terms of the role both on and off-field.
Id say the answer to that is two fold,
First if he is a good captain all players should be learning what it takes to be leader on and off field. Not just the future captain.
Second who ever is our next captain should get the job on their own merits and makes the job theirs, not just try and emulate their predecessor.
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Well it shows I must of had a feeling that he was going to do it.
But I think if he plays on he will be a damm sight better as just a player than as a player/captain. :gotigers
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Well it shows I must of had a feeling that he was going to do it.
But I think if he plays on he will be a damm sight better as just a player than as a player/captain. :gotigers
I reckon 2009 will be Sugar's final year as he's slowing down. Play him on a flank or even as a pinchhitter off the bench with spurts in the midfield. One thing he will no longer have to put up with is supporters expecting him as captain to be a matchwinner.
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I actually think his last half of the year was pretty good. And I think he knew he was going to give it up then and let his football do some of his talking.
So I to think 09 will be his last year and more than likely his best in the Yellow and Black.
Time will only answer that one.
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I actually think his last half of the year was pretty good. And I think he knew he was going to give it up then and let his football do some of his talking.
So I to think 09 will be his last year and more than likely his best in the Yellow and Black.
Time will only answer that one.
Agree bushy his 2nd half of this year after coming back from injury was good. The rest seemed to help free him up in his movement. Moving out to a HFF rather than spending all the time in the midfield also helped him IMO. A more natural position in the twilight years of his career (he'll be 31 by the start of next season) and out there he doesn't hinder the development a young midfielder. Let's hope you're right bushy and he can go out with a finals series appearance.
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As much as a non fan of his I do think he will play a good a vital role for us this coming season.
No secret I don't like him as a footballer, but if he shows and does what he donr to finished of 08 in he will be a good role model to the younger mob.
I just can see him plauing a freer game unthought being dragged down with the high ecpectations of wearing the captains jumper.
If there was ever a player less suited to it I would like to know, cause I think Kane wasn't suited to it, in my eye that is.
And this new found freedom will show in his 09 season and that will be our gain.
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The RFC site is running a new poll on who should be our next captain.
Who should be the next captain of Richmond?
Brett Deledio
Matthew Richardson
Chris Newman
Nathan Foley
Joel Bowden
Shane Tuck
Nathan Brown
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Chris Newman
:)
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I hope that Brett Deledio does not become captian. A) He is too young B) It will give hom something to strive for in the next 3 or so years by he then should be old enough. C) The young tiger list needs a mature head in all situations, one that has experience. It is great to have a young list but you do not have a young leader of that list IMO.
It has to be maybe Browny, Simmons or my pick RICHO. Richo can inspire the whole MCG packed to the rafters thats what you need inspiration, talent and reputations to lead us into the finals.
If not Richo maybe Browny.
Can someone explain why we need to promote young kids to this role, i thought you would need to prove yourslf over many years before getting the role. Don't get me wrong love Deledio hope he is Captian in about 2 to 3 years.
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The RFC site is running a new poll on who should be our next captain.
Brett Deledio
Matthew Richardson
Chris Newman
Nathan Foley
Joel Bowden
Shane Tuck
Nathan Brown
Richo, Joel and Browny are ruled out because of age (too old).
Flea said today on SEN when he was talking about his playing career while having diabetes, that our new captain is out of 5-6 blokes before he then added it'll be a younger bloke of 26. That would rule out Lids and Foley leaving just Newy or Tucky. Tucky wasn't in the leadership group and turns 27 next month so it has to Newy. He fits the criteria - 26 years old and is current vice-captain.