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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 10, 2008, 05:26:33 AM
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DISCARDED Essendon midfielder Tom Hislop could rejuvenate his AFL career, with the former high draft pick back training with the club and being courted by several suitors. Hislop was pick No. 20 in the strong 2006 draft, but was delisted late last month following repeated disciplinary breaches.
It is understood several Melbourne clubs, and at least one interstate, have asked Hislop to train with them.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24626355-19742,00.html
I wonder if one of those clubs is us?
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As a rookie I'd take him in the blink of an eye.
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Not too sure with the reported repeat discipline and injury problems.
However he is still young and I would have to leave it up to those who know better without venturing a strong opinion either way.
Although, our midfield would have to be almost covered now with Thompson, Cotch and the possibility of Pick 8( ;D) being added to the midfield in recent times. Has to be almost time to start working on rucks and KPP forwards.
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Not too sure with the reported repeat discipline and injury problems.
However he is still young and I would have to leave it up to those who know better without venturing a strong opinion either way.
Although, our midfield would have to be almost covered now with Thompson, Cotch and the possibility of Pick 8( ;D) being added to the midfield in recent times. Has to be almost time to start working on rucks and KPP forwards.
I actually think the time for focusing on rucks and KPP isn't soon..it's now starting with pick 8! All comes down to the best available player or best player available to fill a certain position argument.
Stripes
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We're putting together a pretty tight-knit group of young players. No need to add someone with poor discipline given we've offloaded two in the past 12 months despite some natural footy talent.
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We're putting together a pretty tight-knit group of young players. No need to add someone with poor discipline given we've offloaded two in the past 12 months despite some natural footy talent.
To quote a recent and well know ex coach of ours "AH Yeah Nah"
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Maybe a moot point anyway
http://afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=69782
Hislop could return to Bombers
THE 2006 draft was seen as one of the best of all time but one of the top 20, Tom Hislop finds himself on the market once again. Hislop was delisted by Essendon after just two years on the list. He was reportedly set to train with another Melbourne-based club before Bombers coach Matthew Knights gave him another chance at Windy Hill. Hislop will train with Essendon and could be picked up again on the rookie list.
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Has he nominated for both the ND & PSD.
If so, you'd think he'd be a chance to go as a late ND choice.
If not, the Dees should be all over him to take #1 PSD to team with Brock Maclean.
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Has he nominated for both the ND & PSD.
If so, you'd think he'd be a chance to go as a late ND choice.
If not, the Dees should be all over him to take #1 PSD to team with Brock Maclean.
I'm sure the bombers would not have delisted him if they thought he was a serious player. They're not that stupid.
I'd leave that one alone.
Why is Brad Hodge not in the Aust team?
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The Bombers have ruled out redrafting Hislop and he's no longer training we them.
http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=70005
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Knighter is a strong advocate of promoting young talent, there must be a very very good reason why a top draft choice has been cut.
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Tom Hislop - No :)
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From the Age.....
Delisted Essendon midfielder Tom Hislop, a casualty of the Bombers' tough stance on player behaviour, is certain to be picked up in Saturday's draft after it emerged yesterday that he had placed a price on his head.
Hislop, 20, was delisted after just two years — more for some wayward behaviour than his football ability.
He has attracted interest from Richmond, St Kilda, Geelong, Fremantle and Port Adelaide.
Hislop is the only "category two" player in the pool the national draft, meaning that he is the sole player to have nominated terms and conditions that must be met by the club that selects him.
Hislop's terms are for a two-year contract and more than the minimum base payments.
In practice, this means that at least one club has guaranteed that it will take him. While Geelong is believed to have interviewed Hislop, the Cats' tight salary cap — they can barely afford any player who is above minimum rates — means they might struggle to accommodate a player who played only three senior games in his first two season of league football.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/hip-surgery-sidelines-hawk/2008/11/27/1227491737978.html
The AFL has highlight footage of Hislop...
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFLTV/90877 (http://bigpondvideo.com/AFLTV/90877)
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Hmmm interesting. I really have no idea but if I had a punt I would go the Saints as they now are not getting Cousins.
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Well he would fit in very nicely at the Saints. ;)
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You would have to be mad to give a player a 2 year contract who was dumped due to discipline problems and then rejected again when given a second chance.
We've already picked up one fringe player from another club. Please not another one RFC :-\.
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It is believed former Bomber Tom Hislop has been offered a two-year contract at Richmond.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24722936-19742,00.html
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It is believed former Bomber Tom Hislop has been offered a two-year contract at Richmond.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24722936-19742,00.html
:P
Why give someone who was delisted for off-field issues and then rejected again by Essendon while training with them, a 2-year contract ???. Hislop's hardly a player type we need more of either. This will mean two recycled mids from 5 picks :-\.
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Well if we win a flag with those 2 in our side then we'll all be happy to say how visionary the recruitment staff have been.
Until then :banghead
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That is an interesting decision.
Our midfield stocks have been bolstered but I am not sure if there is an elite player in our recent pick ups that I thought our midfield needed to round it off.
With Thompson and Hislop maybe we will be drafting two talls with our first two picks, oh well not long to find out now.
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The clear message is that the people making the decisions at the RFC are of the opinion that we are "soft", Thomson and Hislop toughens up the midfield, not skill wise but interms of hard at the footy, tough football, having said that I wouldnt be wasting a pick on Hislop. I wanted 4 new kids at Richmond not Recycled blokes.
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There you go....
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:banghead
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welcome to TIGERLAND Tom... :gotigers
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you are duckedddd in the head Richmond Recuirting Managers!!!
>:(
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What another discard, whats going on. Should have kept Myer. Disappointed!!!!!!!!!!1
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He may be ok but come on we could of got him at 70, dont think this was great move.
:o
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Im sure sheeds could have given a pretty good appraisal on this kid
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He may be ok but come on we could of got him at 70, dont think this was great move.
:o
Exactly my thought
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Makes you think we have something in mind for the Rookie Draft.
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History tells us that if they don't make it at other clubs they wont make it with us. Wonder he we will draft in the next draft but it wont matter they will be delisted in the next year or two.
I hope our Cameron and Jackson didn't liken to Sheedy who has a record of recruiting old players that just take up a place - disappointed that we couldn't get good kids in the best draft for years - I had high hopes and now I'm depressed
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Im willing to give the guy a chance, It was his off filed problems that led him to get dropped. Just hope he realises that this could be his last chance and starts to mature some. Better him than Cousin's who has had his second third chance.
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In my opinion we have only gotten 1 long term player this year and thats Vickery. Thomson and Hislop are short term- medium term players, Post was unnecessary because we already have Thursfield, Moore, McGuane and Rance... what can you say ... :banghead
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Selection 58: Tom Hislop
10:58 AM Sat 29 November, 2008
Watch Tom Hislop in action - http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/bigpondvideo.com/afl/90877 (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/bigpondvideo.com/afl/90877)
Date of birth: 27/01/87
Height: 185cm
Weight: 85kg
Previous AFL club: Essendon (2007-08)
Draft history: 2006 NAB AFL Draft No.20 overall.
Debut: 2007
Games: 7
Goals: 2
Bio: Hislop was one of the genuine surprise delistings after being a prized pick just two years ago.
The versatile Tasmanian found himself in trouble on and off the field, leading to his sacking at the end of 2008. Knows how to win the footy and could add something to the midfield.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=70172
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What's Tom's crimes if anyone can tell me?
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Well if we win a flag with those 2 in our side then we'll all be happy to say how visionary the recruitment staff have been.
Until then :banghead
you are such a one eyed fool aren't you.
Dont you get it we will never learn with these dud recycled players. Time after Time we do it ourselves.
What a stuffin disgraceful decision picking up an idiot like Hislop who couldn't get a game at the Bombers.
hahahahahahahaha laughing stock of the afl will continue for another year.
Adam Thompson
Tom Hislop
Jordy Pathetic Mcmahon
Mark Graham
Kent Kingsley
who the stuff else is next
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What's Tom's crimes if anyone can tell me?
Essendon football manager Travis Auld admitted Hislop's discipline problems had been a factor in the club's decision to cut him loose.
"Tom's standards for some time had not been where we needed them to be," Auld said.
"But it wasn't the only reason."
The hard-at-it Tasmanian showed promise, despite being restricted to seven games in two injury-plagued seasons.
But the club had become increasingly concerned about his lack of discipline.
Hislop was suspended for all pre-season games this year for an alcohol-related incident in which he missed a 10am training session.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/sport/afl/story/0,26547,24538500-5016212,00.html
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Well if we win a flag with those 2 in our side then we'll all be happy to say how visionary the recruitment staff have been.
Until then :banghead
you are such a one eyed fool aren't you.
Dont you get it we will never learn with these dud recycled players. Time after Time we do it ourselves.
I don't think yellowandblack was agreeing with the pick
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In my opinion we have only gotten 1 long term player this year and thats Vickery. Thomson and Hislop are short term- medium term players, Post was unnecessary because we already have Thursfield, Moore, McGuane and Rance... what can you say ... :banghead
post isn't exclusively a defender tho he can play there. he can and should play as a CHF
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In my opinion we have only gotten 1 long term player this year and thats Vickery. Thomson and Hislop are short term- medium term players, Post was unnecessary because we already have Thursfield, Moore, McGuane and Rance... what can you say ... :banghead
post isn't exclusively a defender tho he can play there. he can and should play as a CHF
I hope your right and Im proven wrong, but what I saw of Post ... I came to the view that Post is a CHB in AFL terms. Hes also a chance of having a turn on a wing. Hopefully he can play at CHF. We need Dean Putt to come along this year and make a play for a spot in the forward line.
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In my opinion we have only gotten 1 long term player this year and thats Vickery. Thomson and Hislop are short term- medium term players, Post was unnecessary because we already have Thursfield, Moore, McGuane and Rance... what can you say ... :banghead
post isn't exclusively a defender tho he can play there. he can and should play as a CHF
I hope your right and Im proven wrong, but what I saw of Post ... I came to the view that Post is a CHB in AFL terms. Hes also a chance of having a turn on a wing. Hopefully he can play at CHF. We need Dean Putt to come along this year and make a play for a spot in the forward line.
what have you seen of post other than the youtube vision on the afl site?
my guess is zero.
Post has played his whole career as a forward except for this year. He has the pace and the marking ability to be a forward.
It really annoys me when someone can sit behind a keyboard and what you tube vids of players for three minutes and then consider themselves qualified to question the clubs recruiting.
If you havent noticed, the clubs biggest needs were addressed on draft day and the trade period.
A grade developong ruckman with a genuine mean streak.
Big Bodied versatile KPf/b
2 tough big bodied midfielders to add to rotations
We now have a developing a grade ruckman that can play as a key forward. We have a 194 cm utility that can play as a key forward or as the biggest key backman of the club, he runs 20 metres in the top 15 percentile of his age and has elite endurance and took 50 more marks than any of his peers last year.
We also two more midfielders to add to our rotations, this means 74kg edwards can learn his trade on the flanks, which is where he belongs .....for now.
As far as this draft goes, we have been very fortunate indeed. But there will always the dropkicks on this site who just love whinging and whining, and that without even having the luxury of ever seeing them play. Its a joke.
We have one more pick remember, and via waiting till psd, we can have the likely applicants train with us.
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Post has played his whole career as a forward except for this year. He has the pace and the marking ability to be a forward.
It really annoys me when someone can sit behind a keyboard and what you tube vids of players for three minutes and then consider themselves qualified to question the clubs recruiting.
If you havent noticed, the clubs biggest needs were addressed on draft day and the trade period.
A grade developong ruckman with a genuine mean streak.
Big Bodied versatile KPf/b
2 tough big bodied midfielders to add to rotations
We now have a developing a grade ruckman that can play as a key forward. We have a 194 cm utility that can play as a key forward or as the biggest key backman of the club, he runs 20 metres in the top 15 percentile of his age and has elite endurance and took 50 more marks than any of his peers last year.
We also two more midfielders to add to our rotations, this means 74kg edwards can learn his trade on the flanks, which is where he belongs .....for now.
As far as this draft goes, we have been very fortunate indeed. But there will always the dropkicks on this site who just love whinging and whining, and that without even having the luxury of ever seeing them play. Its a joke.
We have one more pick remember, and via waiting till psd, we can have the likely applicants train with us.
Couldn't have said it better myself Blaisee. :clapping
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Post has played his whole career as a forward except for this year. He has the pace and the marking ability to be a forward.
It really annoys me when someone can sit behind a keyboard and what you tube vids of players for three minutes and then consider themselves qualified to question the clubs recruiting.
If you havent noticed, the clubs biggest needs were addressed on draft day and the trade period.
A grade developong ruckman with a genuine mean streak.
Big Bodied versatile KPf/b
2 tough big bodied midfielders to add to rotations
We now have a developing a grade ruckman that can play as a key forward. We have a 194 cm utility that can play as a key forward or as the biggest key backman of the club, he runs 20 metres in the top 15 percentile of his age and has elite endurance and took 50 more marks than any of his peers last year.
We also two more midfielders to add to our rotations, this means 74kg edwards can learn his trade on the flanks, which is where he belongs .....for now.
As far as this draft goes, we have been very fortunate indeed. But there will always the dropkicks on this site who just love whinging and whining, and that without even having the luxury of ever seeing them play. Its a joke.
We have one more pick remember, and via waiting till psd, we can have the likely applicants train with us.
Couldn't have said it better myself Blaisee. :clapping
ditto.... :thumbsup
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In my opinion we have only gotten 1 long term player this year and thats Vickery. Thomson and Hislop are short term- medium term players, Post was unnecessary because we already have Thursfield, Moore, McGuane and Rance... what can you say ... :banghead
post isn't exclusively a defender tho he can play there. he can and should play as a CHF
I hope your right and Im proven wrong, but what I saw of Post ... I came to the view that Post is a CHB in AFL terms. Hes also a chance of having a turn on a wing. Hopefully he can play at CHF. We need Dean Putt to come along this year and make a play for a spot in the forward line.
what have you seen of post other than the youtube vision on the afl site?
my guess is zero.
Post has played his whole career as a forward except for this year. He has the pace and the marking ability to be a forward.
It really annoys me when someone can sit behind a keyboard and what you tube vids of players for three minutes and then consider themselves qualified to question the clubs recruiting.
If you havent noticed, the clubs biggest needs were addressed on draft day and the trade period.
A grade developong ruckman with a genuine mean streak.
Big Bodied versatile KPf/b
2 tough big bodied midfielders to add to rotations
We now have a developing a grade ruckman that can play as a key forward. We have a 194 cm utility that can play as a key forward or as the biggest key backman of the club, he runs 20 metres in the top 15 percentile of his age and has elite endurance and took 50 more marks than any of his peers last year.
We also two more midfielders to add to our rotations, this means 74kg edwards can learn his trade on the flanks, which is where he belongs .....for now.
As far as this draft goes, we have been very fortunate indeed. But there will always the dropkicks on this site who just love whinging and whining, and that without even having the luxury of ever seeing them play. Its a joke.
We have one more pick remember, and via waiting till psd, we can have the likely applicants train with us.
I have answered you in a private message. I think you get to emotional- attacking people who disagree with you. People are entitled to there views. But for the 1000'th time I will say it publically ... and you can check every single one of my posts on young Post, he takes a good grab, hes got good run, but in my opinion he seems more likely than not to end up as a key defender and we already have enough of these. I think everyones entitled to there own opinion. Thats it for me on this issue, Blaisee read the mesage I sent.
PS- And when you check out what I said on him in my other posts, look to see if I edited, youll find my comments have never altered- not one iota.
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I have answered you in a private message. I think you get to emotional- attacking people who disagree with you. People are entitled to there views.
Why did you need to say this? Looks like your trying to provoke him. If you have PM'd him then why bring it up again in public? Is it important everyone know you PM'd him?
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Welcome Tom, another great fit for the club, by the way are some of the people on this site that don't agree with recruiting Hislop the same ones that actually want Cousins???????? Really have a look at yourselves if you are.
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Welcome Tom, another great fit for the club, by the way are some of the people on this site that don't agree with recruiting Hislop the same ones that actually want Cousins???????? Really have a look at yourselves if you are.
Not me, I dont want Cousins and am a bit puzzled over Hislop.
That the RFC gave Hislop a 2 year contract it would suggest to me that they are convinced his past troubles wont occur again. On that basis I am prepared to wait and see.
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Welcome Tom, another great fit for the club, by the way are some of the people on this site that don't agree with recruiting Hislop the same ones that actually want Cousins???????? Really have a look at yourselves if you are.
Not me, I dont want Cousins and am a bit puzzled over Hislop.
That the RFC gave Hislop a 2 year contract it would suggest to me that they are convinced his past troubles wont occur again. On that basis I am prepared to wait and see.
Very well said chuck and I agree, I have been watching some video af this guy and he can play lets hope he has turned the corner off the feild.
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Post has played his whole career as a forward except for this year. He has the pace and the marking ability to be a forward.
It really annoys me when someone can sit behind a keyboard and what you tube vids of players for three minutes and then consider themselves qualified to question the clubs recruiting.
If you havent noticed, the clubs biggest needs were addressed on draft day and the trade period.
A grade developong ruckman with a genuine mean streak.
Big Bodied versatile KPf/b
2 tough big bodied midfielders to add to rotations
We now have a developing a grade ruckman that can play as a key forward. We have a 194 cm utility that can play as a key forward or as the biggest key backman of the club, he runs 20 metres in the top 15 percentile of his age and has elite endurance and took 50 more marks than any of his peers last year.
We also two more midfielders to add to our rotations, this means 74kg edwards can learn his trade on the flanks, which is where he belongs .....for now.
As far as this draft goes, we have been very fortunate indeed. But there will always the dropkicks on this site who just love whinging and whining, and that without even having the luxury of ever seeing them play. Its a joke.
We have one more pick remember, and via waiting till psd, we can have the likely applicants train with us.
Couldn't have said it better myself Blaisee. :clapping
I'm with you guys
Like said we addressed our needs as best as I can possibly tell. We needed talls, bottom line.
Just can't please some people, some will make it, some wont and there will be surprises, just like at every other club.
Gaurenteed whoever we get in the PSD, they will cop a lash from the armchair experts.
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What pee's me off here is people slaging players before they have even played a game in our colours. Do we not all agree that the club is heading in the right direction?? I see todays selections as calculated and accurate. Vickery is a standout and an excellent pick. The so called controversial pick of Hislop was a late one but I feel a good one for one reason...depth! Depth is something that some people seem to forget here. The ready-to-go's in Thomson and Hislop provide us well needed depth with added grunt. These guys will take pressure of developing players like Cotchin & Edwards. They will fill holes when injuries occur and heaven forbid they may actually prove some of the negative posters here wrong and gain well earned regular selections. You can't put players like Thomson & Hislop in the same boat as Kingsley and Graham as someone who's name escapes me did in an earlier post. That sort of ridiculous and outdated comment shows how ignorant some people can be and whatever you do...."Just don't mention the war" :lol Build a bridge.....
The same guys that bagged the Morton deal are doing exactly the same thing today with Thomson & Hislop and I fear will continue to do so into the future. Very soon these posters will be nothing but white noise to the majority of us who support the club and its endeavours to achieve the perfect mix of players that will bring finals success to Punt Road once again.
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Well this post will be popular lol.
I'm happy with our first two picks and I understand the plan to target particular player types we need to balance up our list but there's two assumptions in your post blaisee - (i) that the two recycled mids we have picked up will suddenly play consistently good footy for us in the midfield when they didn't at their respective former club and (ii) that the 'missing' kids we didn't draft instead won't come back to bite us in the long run.
Taking Hislop at 58 cost us a kid the club wanted (McCulloch) and trading pick 42 for Thomson has cost us someone decent like Mitch Banner. The club had planned to use all 4 National draft picks today so they obviously got caught out when all the kids we were keen on for picks 58/70 were gone by pick 70 - Sloane, Bennell, Motlop, Shiels, McCulloch (Source: Duncan on Y&B). Not all would've been gone if we had kept and used picks 42 and 58 on them. It makes a mockery of the lack of depth statement. We caused the apparent lack of depth problem at pick 70 ourselves by going for recycles first with our 3rd and 4th round picks over kids we were actually interested in.
Picking up only 2 kids is totally astonishing to me :scream. I mean why are putting more dollars, resources, scouts and fancy stat programs into recruiting if we can't be stuffed drafting kids after pick 26 in the first place ???. It is the later picks when you need those extra resources; not for the Tyrone Vickery's of this world who blind freddy can see is hugely talented.
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from the Sunday Herald-Sun..
Hislop, 20, was delisted by Essendon after being taken with pick 20 two years ago. He managed only seven games and developed a reputation for poor discipline.
Tigers recruiting manager Francis Jackson is confident Hislop can be a success at Punt Rd.
"Tom is a 20-year-old who we rated highly in the 2006 draft," Jackson said.
"He's had a few issues, but we've spoken to him at length about that and he sat down with Terry (coach Wallace) and had a very good conversation.
"We believe he'll make the most of the second chance. Not too many players get second chances and I'm sure he realises the importance of his work ethic and his attitude.
"We feel he'll add a bit of strength and a bit of toughness to our midfield."
Bombers coach Matthew Knights said the onus was on Hislop to turn things around.
"In my mind I hope it's the jolt in his career he needs," he said.
"It's in his hands now and once you make decisions you don't look back and I wish Tom all the best.
"Let's hope he can make a good fist of it now, because sometimes in this industry you get to a second club and you just don't know about a third."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24727127-11088,00.html
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I have answered you in a private message. I think you get to emotional- attacking people who disagree with you. People are entitled to there views.
Why did you need to say this? Looks like your trying to provoke him. If you have PM'd him then why bring it up again in public? Is it important everyone know you PM'd him?
Why didnt you include my whole quote? If you had included the whole quote and actually read it, you would have understood what I wrote. Its also interesting to note you said that I have tried to provoke him, Blaisee started this by going on with his nonsense post that some of you have agreed with, maybe you should look on some of the other sites that copied his post ... the responses to it from others were more than interesting.
Anyway I sorted this out with Blaisee yesterday... so for me its over now. We have all get behind all the players.
Anyway, I dont care, I have my opinion, I never slagged any kid, all I ever said was that I wouldnt have taken post because I think he'll be a key defender in AFL terms and we have enough of these already, on the other hand, in just about every post I said that he is a good mark shows good run.
Everyone is entitled to there opinion!
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I am a bit puzzled over the drafting this year, I thought we would only pick up one recycled player and Thomson was that one. That we have picked up two midfielders that I dont think will become elite players would probably mean the RFC believes a bit of depth is all that is needed for our midfield. I wonder how far they go in the psyche testing on players like Hislop?.
Our past recycled players in recent times I can't complain about Polly and Morton, and even McMahon performs a role in the side. At least our drafting of recycled players is in the right age bracket with potential, although I do prefer when they are ex pat Vics that were initially drafted interstate.
Time will tell.
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Well this post will be popular lol.
;D
I'm happy with our first two picks and I understand the plan to target particular player types we need to balance up our list but there's two assumptions in your post blaisee - (i) that the two recycled mids we have picked up will suddenly play consistently good footy for us in the midfield when they didn't at their respective former club and (ii) that the 'missing' kids we didn't draft instead won't come back to bite us in the long run.
Those assumptions are double-edged conundrums that only hindsight can settle. Who is to say that both recycled kids won't make it and that the missing draft picks would have? At this point all we can do is place our trust in the football department that they have done their homework well enough to minimise the risk and maximise the potential return, then sit back and watch what happens. It doesn't worry me that other people have different opinions but does frustrate me when those opinions slam the decisions made before any of the new recruits have even pulled on a Richmond training jumper.
Taking Hislop at 58 cost us a kid the club wanted (McCulloch) and trading pick 42 for Thomson has cost us someone decent like Mitch Banner. The club had planned to use all 4 National draft picks today so they obviously got caught out when all the kids we were keen on for picks 58/70 were gone by pick 70 - Sloane, Bennell, Motlop, Shiels, McCulloch (Source: Duncan on Y&B). Not all would've been gone if we had kept and used picks 42 and 58 on them. It makes a mockery of the lack of depth statement. We caused the apparent lack of depth problem at pick 70 ourselves by going for recycles first with our 3rd and 4th round picks over kids we were actually interested in.
We might have been interested in them but knowing the impact we still chose to trade pick 42 for Thomson so unless you believe that collectively the current football department are completely moronic and did no due diligence then we (as supporters) will be far better served waiting to see how it all plays out before slamming the trade/draft outcome. We only rated those guys above between 58 to 70 so let's not overstate how good we thought they might/might not be. We picked up 2 kids that filled gaps in our list structure and we were in the fortunate position of having some 'street cred' on which to base our decisions - we could be much more confident that the 2 we chose can compete at the level - our challenge is to provide the environment and impetus to bring out their obvious potential.
Picking up only 2 kids is totally astonishing to me :scream. I mean why are putting more dollars, resources, scouts and fancy stat programs into recruiting if we can't be stuffed drafting kids after pick 26 in the first place ???. It is the later picks when you need those extra resources; not for the Tyrone Vickery's of this world who blind freddy can see is hugely talented.
Here is the biggest issue to me. We DID pick up kids, they are 21 and 22, and they have now both done the 'growing time' that most kids need to do. Bodywise they are ready to go now, no waiting for a couple of years like any other kids we would have chosen, no worrying if they can in fact compete at the level. If all the dollars and scouts and stat programs collectively decided that the best outcome for the club was to go with Thomson and Hislop then why is it a waste of resources? Personally I'm more confident that spending the money has possibly helped us identify the best outcome for the club 'outside the traditional square' of drafting all newbies. Remember, we didn't draft has-beens or mid-range ages, we drafted kids - all 4 of them. The only difference was that we have some knowns with 2 of our choices, unlike the other clubs that have taken a bigger risk on all their choices.
It's all a guessing game at this time of the year and all of our opinions don't count for squat but I wish some people would cut the decision-makers some slack and give them credit for knowing and doing their job until the facts can speak for themselves.
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so when are you running for office smokey :bow
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Post has played his whole career as a forward except for this year. He has the pace and the marking ability to be a forward.
It really annoys me when someone can sit behind a keyboard and what you tube vids of players for three minutes and then consider themselves qualified to question the clubs recruiting.
If you havent noticed, the clubs biggest needs were addressed on draft day and the trade period.
A grade developong ruckman with a genuine mean streak.
Big Bodied versatile KPf/b
2 tough big bodied midfielders to add to rotations
We now have a developing a grade ruckman that can play as a key forward. We have a 194 cm utility that can play as a key forward or as the biggest key backman of the club, he runs 20 metres in the top 15 percentile of his age and has elite endurance and took 50 more marks than any of his peers last year.
We also two more midfielders to add to our rotations, this means 74kg edwards can learn his trade on the flanks, which is where he belongs .....for now.
As far as this draft goes, we have been very fortunate indeed. But there will always the dropkicks on this site who just love whinging and whining, and that without even having the luxury of ever seeing them play. Its a joke.
We have one more pick remember, and via waiting till psd, we can have the likely applicants train with us.
Couldn't have said it better myself Blaisee. :clapping
No surprises you 2 clowns agree with each other.
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Welcome Tom, another great fit for the club, by the way are some of the people on this site that don't agree with recruiting Hislop the same ones that actually want Cousins???????? Really have a look at yourselves if you are.
stuff cousins.
Hislop is another great find for the RFC just like Mcmahon, Kingsley, Graham, Meyer and Tambling are.
BEST DRAFT IN GOD KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS AND WHAT DO WE DO?????
Pick up a recycled reject and dump Meyer for similar reasons. Now i dont expect an old fart like yourself to understand common sense but from where im standing thats anothr pathetic recruiting decision.
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Welcome Tom, another great fit for the club, by the way are some of the people on this site that don't agree with recruiting Hislop the same ones that actually want Cousins???????? Really have a look at yourselves if you are.
stuff cousins.
Hislop is another great find for the RFC just like Mcmahon, Kingsley, Graham, Meyer and Tambling are.
BEST DRAFT IN GOD KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS AND WHAT DO WE DO?????
Pick up a recycled reject and dump Meyer for similar reasons. Now i dont expect an old fart like yourself to understand common sense but from where im standing thats anothr pathetic recruiting decision.
Best draft in what? 2 years? Pfft
The top 25-30 were very good then it dropped away quickly, why else do you think the first two rounds went quickly and then it ground to a halt later on?
Hislop was a TOP 20 PICK from that 2006 Superdraft which was far better than this years crop
As for including Tambling in your list, well that just highlights your limited mental power doesn't it
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Welcome Tom, another great fit for the club, by the way are some of the people on this site that don't agree with recruiting Hislop the same ones that actually want Cousins???????? Really have a look at yourselves if you are.
stuff cousins.
Hislop is another great find for the RFC just like Mcmahon, Kingsley, Graham, Meyer and Tambling are.
BEST DRAFT IN GOD KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS AND WHAT DO WE DO?????
Pick up a recycled reject and dump Meyer for similar reasons. Now i dont expect an old fart like yourself to understand common sense but from where im standing thats anothr pathetic recruiting decision.
Has Tom Hislop murdered somebody? I can't work out why so many people have so many negative comments to make about footballers. He is only 20, not the age that some of other recycled players have reached upon our recruiting of them. He is only a kid trying to further his career, and everyone deserves a second chance as everyone has made mistakes. Mistake are oppurtunities to learn.
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Welcome Tom, another great fit for the club, by the way are some of the people on this site that don't agree with recruiting Hislop the same ones that actually want Cousins???????? Really have a look at yourselves if you are.
stuff cousins.
Hislop is another great find for the RFC just like Mcmahon, Kingsley, Graham, Meyer and Tambling are.
BEST DRAFT IN GOD KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS AND WHAT DO WE DO?????
Pick up a recycled reject and dump Meyer for similar reasons. Now i dont expect an old fart like yourself to understand common sense but from where im standing thats anothr pathetic recruiting decision.
Best draft in what? 2 years? Pfft
The top 25-30 were very good then it dropped away quickly, why else do you think the first two rounds went quickly and then it ground to a halt later on?
Hislop was a TOP 20 PICK from that 2006 Superdraft which was far better than this years crop
As for including Tambling in your list, well that just highlights your limited mental power doesn't it
Tambling is included in that group till he performs week in week out.
What exactly he has done in his 4 years at the club. SFA. a starring 5 goals against the Eagles and a few games this year when he ran and chased.
Thats about it!!
I call it as i see it. Lids has shown why he will be a gun, Tambling is nowhere near his class
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Welcome Tom, another great fit for the club, by the way are some of the people on this site that don't agree with recruiting Hislop the same ones that actually want Cousins???????? Really have a look at yourselves if you are.
stuff cousins.
Hislop is another great find for the RFC just like Mcmahon, Kingsley, Graham, Meyer and Tambling are.
BEST DRAFT IN GOD KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS AND WHAT DO WE DO?????
Pick up a recycled reject and dump Meyer for similar reasons. Now i dont expect an old fart like yourself to understand common sense but from where im standing thats anothr pathetic recruiting decision.
Has Tom Hislop murdered somebody? I can't work out why so many people have so many negative comments to make about footballers. He is only 20, not the age that some of other recycled players have reached upon our recruiting of them. He is only a kid trying to further his career, and everyone deserves a second chance as everyone has made mistakes. Mistake are oppurtunities to learn.
Dont you get it.
We have played 2 finals in 25 years because of silly decisions at the Draft Table.
no one else wanted this dud, no one but we had to get him didn't we.
To top it all off we dump dud Meyer and recruit his identical brother Hislop. where is the stuffin logic there.
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I am a bit puzzled over the drafting this year, I thought we would only pick up one recycled player and Thomson was that one. That we have picked up two midfielders that I dont think will become elite players would probably mean the RFC believes a bit of depth is all that is needed for our midfield. I wonder how far they go in the psyche testing on players like Hislop?.
Our past recycled players in recent times I can't complain about Polly and Morton, and even McMahon performs a role in the side. At least our drafting of recycled players is in the right age bracket with potential, although I do prefer when they are ex pat Vics that were initially drafted interstate.
Time will tell.
sorry mate i agreed till the part you spoke of Mcmahon performing a role at the club.
how many matches did you go to this year. I saw a man who should never have been drafted.
Weak, skinny, turnovers a plenty and when the poressure is on he goes hiding like MXMLXV when a girl approaches him.
we screwd up last years draft and Outside of Vickery we have screwed it up again this year.
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we screwd up last years draft and Outside of Vickery we have screwed it up again this year.
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Not sure that the decision to draft Trent Cotchin is what you could call screwing up last years draft
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I am a bit puzzled over the drafting this year, I thought we would only pick up one recycled player and Thomson was that one. That we have picked up two midfielders that I dont think will become elite players would probably mean the RFC believes a bit of depth is all that is needed for our midfield. I wonder how far they go in the psyche testing on players like Hislop?.
Our past recycled players in recent times I can't complain about Polly and Morton, and even McMahon performs a role in the side. At least our drafting of recycled players is in the right age bracket with potential, although I do prefer when they are ex pat Vics that were initially drafted interstate.
Time will tell.
sorry mate i agreed till the part you spoke of Mcmahon performing a role at the club.
how many matches did you go to this year. I saw a man who should never have been drafted.
Weak, skinny, turnovers a plenty and when the poressure is on he goes hiding like MXMLXV when a girl approaches him.
we screwd up last years draft and Outside of Vickery we have screwed it up again this year.
Cotchin, Rance & Putt were screwing up last years draft? Are you on crack?
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we screwd up last years draft and Outside of Vickery we have screwed it up again this year.
Not sure that the decision to draft Trent Cotchin is what you could call screwing up last years draft
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the jordy mcmahon bit of the draft i meant
wrong choice of words on my part
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What's Tom's crimes if anyone can tell me?
he played for Essendon :)
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sorry mate i agreed till the part you spoke of Mcmahon performing a role at the club.
how many matches did you go to this year. I saw a man who should never have been drafted.
LOL
One game and when the Tiges don't play in Sydney it is none.
The hardest thing about assessing McMahon's effectiveness and his turnover criticism is that on TV I cant see what options he has up the ground, and if has options then I cant see how effective they are.
I must admit that personally Jordy isn't a favourite player, like most fans outside players dont rate well in my books.
I believe Jordy fulfils the role that he is being set as he polled 7th in the Jack Dyer which is assessed on the effectiveness on which a player carried out their role.
If Jordy wasn't drafted it probably would have been left to Bowden to deliver the ball out of the backline, and I think most people agree that the time for RFC to be going backward and sidewards on the footy field is past.
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Those assumptions are double-edged conundrums that only hindsight can settle. Who is to say that both recycled kids won't make it and that the missing draft picks would have? At this point all we can do is place our trust in the football department that they have done their homework well enough to minimise the risk and maximise the potential return, then sit back and watch what happens. It doesn't worry me that other people have different opinions but does frustrate me when those opinions slam the decisions made before any of the new recruits have even pulled on a Richmond training jumper.
That's fair enough and it's true those assumptions are double-edged conundrums that only hindsight in 5-10 years time can judge.
We might have been interested in them but knowing the impact we still chose to trade pick 42 for Thomson so unless you believe that collectively the current football department are completely moronic and did no due diligence then we (as supporters) will be far better served waiting to see how it all plays out before slamming the trade/draft outcome. We only rated those guys above between 58 to 70 so let's not overstate how good we thought they might/might not be. We picked up 2 kids that filled gaps in our list structure and we were in the fortunate position of having some 'street cred' on which to base our decisions - we could be much more confident that the 2 we chose can compete at the level - our challenge is to provide the environment and impetus to bring out their obvious potential.
Here is the biggest issue to me. We DID pick up kids, they are 21 and 22, and they have now both done the 'growing time' that most kids need to do. Bodywise they are ready to go now, no waiting for a couple of years like any other kids we would have chosen, no worrying if they can in fact compete at the level. If all the dollars and scouts and stat programs collectively decided that the best outcome for the club was to go with Thomson and Hislop then why is it a waste of resources? Personally I'm more confident that spending the money has possibly helped us identify the best outcome for the club 'outside the traditional square' of drafting all newbies. Remember, we didn't draft has-beens or mid-range ages, we drafted kids - all 4 of them. The only difference was that we have some knowns with 2 of our choices, unlike the other clubs that have taken a bigger risk on all their choices.
It's all a guessing game at this time of the year and all of our opinions don't count for squat but I wish some people would cut the decision-makers some slack and give them credit for knowing and doing their job until the facts can speak for themselves.
Going by what was said at the draft night Francis Jackson wished we had found another third round pick so our recruiter still rated kids around the 3rd round mark and I agree with him. Mitch Banner at 42 shows that. So no I don't think they are morons but I just disagree with the recruiting philosophy of recycling as much as we did and picking up so few 18 year olds. I don't call a 22 year old a kid as far as his football development goes. They've had 4 years in the AFL system and for smalls especially they should be showing whether they are up to it or not. If we had taken 4 teenagers and 1 recycled player late then fair enough but IMO you need to have a number of teenagers coming through from each and every the draft so you don't end up with age gaps in your list in say 6 years time when these kids will be making up your core group on the list. You need to always think of the long-term future health of your list and not only the next 3-4 years. We've only drafted 5 teenagers in the past 2 drafts. Compare that to other clubs that have drafted over twice as many like the Eagles.
We want a sustained period of success/finals to win a premiership rather than a rare appearance(s) and then dropping back down the ladder again for a lengthy period rebuilding again. In the past we recycled the likes of Hilton, Clinton King and other ready-maders in their early 20s and despite them being bagged now as failures they were actually keys to our 2001 finals appearance. However they and us didn't cut it in the finals. We weren't good enough. We didn't have enough quality to get anywhere near the top sides even when we made the finals. The way I see our list at the moment is likewise we don't have near enough quality to start adding two recycled players for depth and so few teenagers. Yes teenagers are a risk of bombing out but they also have the greatest room for further development. I see us having added a potential A-grader in Vickery to our list of talls (hopefully Post becomes one too) but we still need to add more class to our midfield. We can't just expect to rely on Lids, Cotch and Foley to carry us for the next decade as we did with Knighter, Cambo and Brodders in the 90s/early 2000s.
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stuff cousins.
Hislop is another great find for the RFC just like Mcmahon, Kingsley, Graham, Meyer and Tambling are.
BEST DRAFT IN GOD KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS AND WHAT DO WE DO?????
Ahhh it was Daniel you little wallflower you. ::) Does anyone know the name of a good constructional engineer?
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Those assumptions are double-edged conundrums that only hindsight can settle. Who is to say that both recycled kids won't make it and that the missing draft picks would have? At this point all we can do is place our trust in the football department that they have done their homework well enough to minimise the risk and maximise the potential return, then sit back and watch what happens. It doesn't worry me that other people have different opinions but does frustrate me when those opinions slam the decisions made before any of the new recruits have even pulled on a Richmond training jumper.
That's fair enough and it's true those assumptions are double-edged conundrums that only hindsight in 5-10 years time can judge.
We might have been interested in them but knowing the impact we still chose to trade pick 42 for Thomson so unless you believe that collectively the current football department are completely moronic and did no due diligence then we (as supporters) will be far better served waiting to see how it all plays out before slamming the trade/draft outcome. We only rated those guys above between 58 to 70 so let's not overstate how good we thought they might/might not be. We picked up 2 kids that filled gaps in our list structure and we were in the fortunate position of having some 'street cred' on which to base our decisions - we could be much more confident that the 2 we chose can compete at the level - our challenge is to provide the environment and impetus to bring out their obvious potential.
Here is the biggest issue to me. We DID pick up kids, they are 21 and 22, and they have now both done the 'growing time' that most kids need to do. Bodywise they are ready to go now, no waiting for a couple of years like any other kids we would have chosen, no worrying if they can in fact compete at the level. If all the dollars and scouts and stat programs collectively decided that the best outcome for the club was to go with Thomson and Hislop then why is it a waste of resources? Personally I'm more confident that spending the money has possibly helped us identify the best outcome for the club 'outside the traditional square' of drafting all newbies. Remember, we didn't draft has-beens or mid-range ages, we drafted kids - all 4 of them. The only difference was that we have some knowns with 2 of our choices, unlike the other clubs that have taken a bigger risk on all their choices.
It's all a guessing game at this time of the year and all of our opinions don't count for squat but I wish some people would cut the decision-makers some slack and give them credit for knowing and doing their job until the facts can speak for themselves.
Going by what was said at the draft night Francis Jackson wished we had found another third round pick so our recruiter still rated kids around the 3rd round mark and I agree with him. Mitch Banner at 42 shows that. So no I don't think they are morons but I just disagree with the recruiting philosophy of recycling as much as we did and picking up so few 18 year olds. I don't call a 22 year old a kid as far as his football development goes. They've had 4 years in the AFL system and for smalls especially they should be showing whether they are up to it or not. If we had taken 4 teenagers and 1 recycled player late then fair enough but IMO you need to have a number of teenagers coming through from each and every the draft so you don't end up with age gaps in your list in say 6 years time when these kids will be making up your core group on the list. You need to always think of the long-term future health of your list and not only the next 3-4 years. We've only drafted 5 teenagers in the past 2 drafts. Compare that to other clubs that have drafted over twice as many like the Eagles.
We want a sustained period of success/finals to win a premiership rather than a rare appearance(s) and then dropping back down the ladder again for a lengthy period rebuilding again. In the past we recycled the likes of Hilton, Clinton King and other ready-maders in their early 20s and despite them being bagged now as failures they were actually keys to our 2001 finals appearance. However they and us didn't cut it in the finals. We weren't good enough. We didn't have enough quality to get anywhere near the top sides even when we made the finals. The way I see our list at the moment is likewise we don't have near enough quality to start adding two recycled players for depth and so few teenagers. Yes teenagers are a risk of bombing out but they also have the greatest room for further development. I see us having added a potential A-grader in Vickery to our list of talls (hopefully Post becomes one too) but we still need to add more class to our midfield. We can't just expect to rely on Lids, Cotch and Foley to carry us for the next decade as we did with Knighter, Cambo and Brodders in the 90s/early 2000s.
great post. Finally someone who sees sense.
Hislop and Thomson are for the tip. Not good enough at successful teams like Bombers and Port so stuff knows why we think they will do better at Punt Road.
They should hang their heads in shame with this pathetic recruting decision
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stuff cousins.
Hislop is another great find for the RFC just like Mcmahon, Kingsley, Graham, Meyer and Tambling are.
BEST DRAFT IN GOD KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS AND WHAT DO WE DO?????
Ahhh it was Daniel you little wallflower you. ::) Does anyone know the name of a good constructional engineer?
yeah i do. Mrs MXMLXV
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Hislop and Thomson are for the tip. Not good enough at successful teams like Bombers and Port so eff knows why we think they will do better at Punt Road.
They should hang their heads in shame with this pathetic recruting decision
I hope you aren't so premature in other areas of your life
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Hislop and Thomson are for the tip. Not good enough at successful teams like Bombers and Port so eff knows why we think they will do better at Punt Road.
They should hang their heads in shame with this pathetic recruting decision
I hope you aren't so premature in other areas of your life
best you ask mrs MXMLXV about that one champ
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Hislop and Thomson are for the tip. Not good enough at successful teams like Bombers and Port so eff knows why we think they will do better at Punt Road.
Can you tell me exactly when the Bombers were last "successful"
The finished below us in 2008 and when did they last play finals regularly :-\ I would think it was before Tom Hislop time ;D
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Hislop and Thomson are for the tip. Not good enough at successful teams like Bombers and Port so eff knows why we think they will do better at Punt Road.
Can you tell me exactly when the Bombers were last "successful"
The finished below us in 2008 and when did they last play finals regularly :-\ I would think it was before Tom Hislop time ;D
And let's not hang poor Adam Thomson out to dry either. 4 seasons at a club that finished 8th, 12th, 2nd (grossly over-achieved eg Richmond 2001) and 13th. Yep, a real successful club for the period he was there.
The success or otherwise of the club at the time is much less relevant than the 'fit' of a player to the club. The player might not get on with some team mates, might not react positively to the coaching staff, might not be mature enough yet, might not like the city they live in, might have an ego that only a sacking can cure, who knows whatever the reason - the point is there are many, many examples of players not succeeding until they reach their second club so to make such a broad generalization as "Hislop and Thomson are for the tip" at this point of their careers and before they have even pulled on the new jumper just smacks of ignorance and immaturity.
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I'm looking forward to seeing both Hislop and Thomson in the middle. We need grunt and fire and from all reports that is exactly what these two offer. If they can toughen up the other midfielders during training then we will have an uncompromising feared unit that can feed our forwards and continue esculating our goal tally from last year.
They just need some time to fit in, find a role and develop a hunger to succeed. Their first challenge will be to find a place in a highly competitive midfield. At the very least they will add the depth to the centre we have sourly lacked in recent years.
Hislop reminds me a lot of Connors - lots of talent but needs to be a team member if they are ever going to succeed at our club and more imprtantly, help our team succeed!
These two appointments makes be believe more and more that the club are becoming more and more convinced that Cogs will not be returning to the midfield next year...
Stripes
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Out of the two I have more confidence in Hislop becoming the tough inside midfielder we want than Thommo. Hislop's issues are above the shoulders so there's a chance he can become a long-term talented footballer if he grows up now he is in his 20s at a new club and gets off the booze. Whereas Thommo who at 22 was continually overlooked in a Port side crying out for a tough inside midfielder and Port have now offloaded him and replaced him with a 29 y.o. Josh Carr :-\.
These two appointments makes be believe more and more that the club are becoming more and more convinced that Cogs will not be returning to the midfield next year...
Sad if that is the case as it would mean career over for Cogs. Plough has said he expects Cogs to be back within the first month of next season otherwise a comeback will be unlikely.
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Here's Hislop from the RFC site.
(http://cms.richmondfc.com.au/Portals/0/Tom%20Hislop.jpg)
Hislop was one of the genuine surprise delistings after being a prized pick just two years ago. Knows how to win the footy and could add something to the midfield. He is a tough in-and-under midfielder with a fearless attack on the footy. At just 21 years of age, he will be a valuable addition to the young Tigers’ list but has the advantage of having two seasons in the AFL system under his belt.
Watch highlights of Tom Hislop (http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/bigpondvideo.com/afl/90877)
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Out of the two I have more confidence in Hislop becoming the tough inside midfielder we want than Thommo. Hislop's issues are above the shoulders so there's a chance he can become a long-term talented footballer if he grows up now he is in his 20s at a new club and gets off the booze. Whereas Thommo who at 22 was continually overlooked in a Port side crying out for a tough inside midfielder and Port have now offloaded him and replaced him with a 29 y.o. Josh Carr :-\.
These two appointments makes be believe more and more that the club are becoming more and more convinced that Cogs will not be returning to the midfield next year...
Sad if that is the case as it would mean career over for Cogs. Plough has said he expects Cogs to be back within the first month of next season otherwise a comeback will be unlikely.
What the hell is wrong with Cog's now, he played the last couple with Coburg and he has been training all off season from what I have heard. Surley he will be right come round 1????
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Sad if that is the case as it would mean career over for Cogs. Plough has said he expects Cogs to be back within the first month of next season otherwise a comeback will be unlikely.
What the hell is wrong with Cog's now, he played the last couple with Coburg and he has been training all off season from what I have heard. Surley he will be right come round 1????
I think he means that he expects him to be back in the seniors, not back in training.
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I would expect him to be in round 1 after competing in the NAB cup rounds.
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Maybe. Still needs to get back to the speed of the senior game (if he stays fit) and that might take a couple more rounds than just the NAB Cup. By all reports he was still a long, long way off it in his couple of games for Coburg at the end of the season.
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heard a whisper that cogs is travelling very well getting most of the old tricks back.
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Mmmm, really thought he was coming along a bit better than that, shame really.
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heard a whisper that cogs is travelling very well getting most of the old tricks back.
Now thats what I have heard thats why I really thought he would be ready for round 1. So who has the truth??
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March next year holds the truth! ;)
Seriously though, it would be nigh on impossible to judge correctly at this time of the year when very few, if any, of the training sessions are competitive and at anywhere near full tilt.
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True but MT should be able to give us the heads up before March hey MT...... ;)
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Hislop and Thomson are for the tip. Not good enough at successful teams like Bombers and Port so eff knows why we think they will do better at Punt Road.
Can you tell me exactly when the Bombers were last "successful"
The finished below us in 2008 and when did they last play finals regularly :-\ I would think it was before Tom Hislop time ;D
Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
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Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
You missed the point totally in your haste to hide your ignorance and immaturity by calling people names. If you want to use the "16 since their inception" argument then we are also a successful club. Successful clubs make the finals regularly and winning flags is often a by-product of that so to say "who cares about finals" just highlights the stupidity of your argument. And "4 since our last"? Lets see then - 1 in the last 15 years and none since 2000 - yep, in December 2006 Hislop walked into a club raging with success, especially when "no-one cares about finals".
Enough said.
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Francis Jackson is a big fan of Hislop and believes he's ready to go for next year. I hope he's right.
We picked up Hislop at #58 because he would've been taken by another club with a pick in the 60s had we waited until pick 70.
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Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
You missed the point totally in your haste to hide your ignorance and immaturity by calling people names. If you want to use the "16 since their inception" argument then we are also a successful club. Successful clubs make the finals regularly and winning flags is often a by-product of that so to say "who cares about finals" just highlights the stupidity of your argument. And "4 since our last"? Lets see then - 1 in the last 15 years and none since 2000 - yep, in December 2006 Hislop walked into a club raging with success, especially when "no-one cares about finals".
Enough said.
4 since our last amigo.
get your head out of ur behind for once and look at the big picture.
we have failed as a football club and its people like you who accept medicore which will see another year of near misses.
picking up Hislop and Mcmahon will do nothing for our Football club, but blooding our own will.
Axel- Great find
Moore- Great find
Hislop, Thomson mcmahon= duds
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Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
You missed the point totally in your haste to hide your ignorance and immaturity by calling people names. If you want to use the "16 since their inception" argument then we are also a successful club. Successful clubs make the finals regularly and winning flags is often a by-product of that so to say "who cares about finals" just highlights the stupidity of your argument. And "4 since our last"? Lets see then - 1 in the last 15 years and none since 2000 - yep, in December 2006 Hislop walked into a club raging with success, especially when "no-one cares about finals".
Enough said.
4 since our last amigo.
get your head out of ur behind for once and look at the big picture.
we have failed as a football club and its people like you who accept medicore which will see another year of near misses.
picking up Hislop and Mcmahon will do nothing for our Football club, but blooding our own will.
Axel- Great find
Moore- Great find
Hislop, Thomson mcmahon= duds
You certainly have taken over from Jackstar as OER's biggest knob
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get your head out of ur behind.....
Can't do that as I have no idea who or what is "ur behind".
...... its people like you who accept medicore .......
Who I do or do not choose as my health fund provider is no business of yours.
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I think you maybe a bit harsh on McMahon and our new recruits Thomson and Hislop daniel. I can see your point in terms of bringing in youth rather than recycled players but youth often lets you down. At least with Hislop and Thomson we know exactly what we are getting which are good servicable players where with a third and fourth round pick - they often don't make it at all.
McMahon has been a good player for us. He is an outside player who needs to be feed the ball so he looks terrible in a losing side but brilliant in a winning side. Like this type of players or not you need them for their delivery and finishing skills and McMahon is great kick and mover of the ball. A few times this year he seemed to have clanger after clanger but this was because of the pressure he was placed under by the opposition. We weren't winning the ball in close so he was not given the space he needed to target a player upfield.
I don't necessary like outside players because they seem to take all the credit for the ball winners hard work but you need them and McMahon is a good outside player.
Hislop has barely stepped foot in the door so I haven't much of an opinion of him as yet. All I know is that he was highly rated as a draftee but let himself off field. He comes into the squad with two years of development behind him and a strong body. He has a fierce attitude and attack on the ball which I love in a player so if he just pull his head out of his a$@# and start to focus as a member of a team he could a great midfielder for us. At worst he will motivate our existing midfielders to work even harder to keep their spot.
Thomson is a similiar story for me. I really know little about him other than he is a standout in terms of clearances, hard in and under type who didn't have many opportunities at Port. My biggest question mark over this guy is that I don't rate the Port midfielder in general so if he couldn't find a place in their line-up then perhaps he isn't good enough to make it into ours. The only excuse he may have is his age and stage of development which is what I hope was the reason.
Stripes
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There is always room in 22s for a Hislop and Thomson, the thing is not to over do it with these types. We need to continue to bring in high quality youngsters now. Hislop & Thomson have filled the gap we had in terms of aggressive and hard at it midfielders.
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I think you maybe a bit harsh on McMahon and our new recruits Thomson and Hislop daniel. I can see your point in terms of bringing in youth rather than recycled players but youth often lets you down. At least with Hislop and Thomson we know exactly what we are getting which are good servicable players where with a third and fourth round pick - they often don't make it at all.
McMahon has been a good player for us. He is an outside player who needs to be feed the ball so he looks terrible in a losing side but brilliant in a winning side. Like this type of players or not you need them for their delivery and finishing skills and McMahon is great kick and mover of the ball. A few times this year he seemed to have clanger after clanger but this was because of the pressure he was placed under by the opposition. We weren't winning the ball in close so he was not given the space he needed to target a player upfield.
I don't necessary like outside players because they seem to take all the credit for the ball winners hard work but you need them and McMahon is a good outside player.
Hislop has barely stepped foot in the door so I haven't much of an opinion of him as yet. All I know is that he was highly rated as a draftee but let himself off field. He comes into the squad with two years of development behind him and a strong body. He has a fierce attitude and attack on the ball which I love in a player so if he just pull his head out of his a$@# and start to focus as a member of a team he could a great midfielder for us. At worst he will motivate our existing midfielders to work even harder to keep their spot.
Thomson is a similiar story for me. I really know little about him other than he is a standout in terms of clearances, hard in and under type who didn't have many opportunities at Port. My biggest question mark over this guy is that I don't rate the Port midfielder in general so if he couldn't find a place in their line-up then perhaps he isn't good enough to make it into ours. The only excuse he may have is his age and stage of development which is what I hope was the reason.
Stripes
Well said Stripes :thumbsup , probably too logical and honest an assessment for some though.
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Well said Stripes :thumbsup , probably too logical and honest an assessment for some though.
Totally agree - well said Stripes :thumbsup
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Hislop's second coming
RICHMOND recruit Tom Hislop says he is hoping to turn over a new leaf after being abruptly delisted by Essendon.
Hislop was cut from the Bombers just two years after being drafted at pick 20 in the 2006 NAB AFL Draft and admits he had discipline problems during his time at Windy Hill.
“I’ll probably make smarter decisions off the field. When I first came over I had a few little hiccups but I’ve learnt from those lessons and I’m looking forward to my time at Richmond,” he said.
“I think I’m pretty professional but there were a few little things that happened. I know that I’ve changed and I’m ready to make a name for myself at Richmond.”
The 20-year-old says he is hoping to turn over a new leaf after swapping his red sash for a yellow one.
“Everyone at the club’s been great; they said they’re going to judge me on what I do from day one here. It’s great to have the head coach behind me,” he said.
“I spoke with Richmond a couple of days before the draft and they were willing to give me another chance. I was extremely grateful to get another chance and I want to make the most of this one.
“It was a bit of a wake-up call for me and I want to give it everything I’ve got and make a career out of it.”
While the Tigers had told Hislop they were interested, he still faced a nervous wait as he watched the draft unfold.
“My mum came over from Tassie and I was sitting at home watching it on the Internet. It was starting to get a bit late and I was a bit nervous but once my name was called out I was over the moon and really happy to come to Richmond,” he said.
Hislop said he hoped to play a midfield role with the Tigers, citing his ball-winning ability as his major strength.
“I haven’t spoken about that too much with Terry yet but he said they need another inside midfielder and I’ve played there my whole career. I’m looking to get it inside and give it out to our quicker outside players,” he said.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsid=70642
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Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
You missed the point totally in your haste to hide your ignorance and immaturity by calling people names. If you want to use the "16 since their inception" argument then we are also a successful club. Successful clubs make the finals regularly and winning flags is often a by-product of that so to say "who cares about finals" just highlights the stupidity of your argument. And "4 since our last"? Lets see then - 1 in the last 15 years and none since 2000 - yep, in December 2006 Hislop walked into a club raging with success, especially when "no-one cares about finals".
Enough said.
4 since our last amigo.
get your head out of ur behind for once and look at the big picture.
we have failed as a football club and its people like you who accept medicore which will see another year of near misses.
picking up Hislop and Mcmahon will do nothing for our Football club, but blooding our own will.
Axel- Great find
Moore- Great find
Hislop, Thomson mcmahon= duds
Moore was rubbish untill he was 23.
Hislop was very highly rated in the 06 'superdraft', only 20 yoa and yet you think there is no chance he could come good?
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Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
You missed the point totally in your haste to hide your ignorance and immaturity by calling people names. If you want to use the "16 since their inception" argument then we are also a successful club. Successful clubs make the finals regularly and winning flags is often a by-product of that so to say "who cares about finals" just highlights the stupidity of your argument. And "4 since our last"? Lets see then - 1 in the last 15 years and none since 2000 - yep, in December 2006 Hislop walked into a club raging with success, especially when "no-one cares about finals".
Enough said.
4 since our last amigo.
get your head out of ur behind for once and look at the big picture.
we have failed as a football club and its people like you who accept medicore which will see another year of near misses.
picking up Hislop and Mcmahon will do nothing for our Football club, but blooding our own will.
Axel- Great find
Moore- Great find
Hislop, Thomson mcmahon= duds
Moore was rubbish untill he was 23.
Hislop was very highly rated in the 06 'superdraft', only 20 yoa and yet you think there is no chance he could come good?
no there is every chance he will come good very much like Moore but what im saying is why did we pick him up when he couldn't get a spot in the Bombers pathetic midfield.
Also i agree with dumping Meyer but why did we then recruit a player like Hislop with similar off field issues. This is very frustrating IMO.
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Also i agree with dumping Meyer but why did we then recruit a player like Hislop with similar off field issues.
What off field issues did Meyer have?
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Also i agree with dumping Meyer but why did we then recruit a player like Hislop with similar off field issues.
What off field issues did Meyer have?
didn't try hard enough. Head was elsewhere. took for granted playing for the RFC.
We need to rid our team of idiots like this not recruit them. JON as much as i cant wait for him to be delisted at least tries.
He is not up to rigours of senior player but you cant doubt he works hard at Coburg.
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Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
You missed the point totally in your haste to hide your ignorance and immaturity by calling people names. If you want to use the "16 since their inception" argument then we are also a successful club. Successful clubs make the finals regularly and winning flags is often a by-product of that so to say "who cares about finals" just highlights the stupidity of your argument. And "4 since our last"? Lets see then - 1 in the last 15 years and none since 2000 - yep, in December 2006 Hislop walked into a club raging with success, especially when "no-one cares about finals".
Enough said.
4 since our last amigo.
get your head out of ur behind for once and look at the big picture.
we have failed as a football club and its people like you who accept medicore which will see another year of near misses.
picking up Hislop and Mcmahon will do nothing for our Football club, but blooding our own will.
Axel- Great find
Moore- Great find
Hislop, Thomson mcmahon= duds
You certainly have taken over from Jackstar as OER's biggest knob
Come on now Infamy thats a bit harsh.
Although jack was a knob, at least at times he had some idea of what he was talking about and very occasionally gave some insightful ideas.
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Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
You missed the point totally in your haste to hide your ignorance and immaturity by calling people names. If you want to use the "16 since their inception" argument then we are also a successful club. Successful clubs make the finals regularly and winning flags is often a by-product of that so to say "who cares about finals" just highlights the stupidity of your argument. And "4 since our last"? Lets see then - 1 in the last 15 years and none since 2000 - yep, in December 2006 Hislop walked into a club raging with success, especially when "no-one cares about finals".
Enough said.
4 since our last amigo.
get your head out of ur behind for once and look at the big picture.
we have failed as a football club and its people like you who accept medicore which will see another year of near misses.
picking up Hislop and Mcmahon will do nothing for our Football club, but blooding our own will.
Axel- Great find
Moore- Great find
Hislop, Thomson mcmahon= duds
You certainly have taken over from Jackstar as OER's biggest knob
Come on now Infamy thats a bit harsh.
Although jack was a knob, at least at times he had some idea of what he was talking about and very occasionally gave some insightful ideas.
with all due respect Jacosh or whatever your name is, your comments are about as insightful as watching paint dry.
i am a Tiger man through and through my friend. I have enough runs on the board than you can poke a stick at. Now if you wouldn't mind, move on
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Is this thread as big on other boards ? Dan you r a fool, enjoy your slagging of me if you wish, last comment ever too you, pull your head in son and really GET A LIFE :santa
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with all due respect Jacosh or whatever your name is, your comments are about as insightful as watching paint dry.
i am a Tiger man through and through my friend. I have enough runs on the board than you can poke a stick at. Now if you wouldn't mind, move on
Post of the year. If anyone can glean one poofteenth of sense or understanding from this pile of disconnected childish dribble then (in the words of the immortal Pauline) "please explain".
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Is this thread as big on other boards ? Dan you r a fool, enjoy your slagging of me if you wish, last comment ever too you, pull your head in son and really GET A LIFE :santa
Not too sure if you mean other Tiger boards CUB, but on Bomber Blitz it is quiet large, I think they are about 70 odd pages and going for a 100. It is quiet a funny read in places, not so much funny on the subject but more funny on the bummer fan's abuse of each other and disjointed rantings.
Another funny thread over there is the one to do with them questioning why they didn't pick Rich in the draft
And Smokey, you crack me up
:ROTFL
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This is hillarious!! :rollin Daniel161 should change his name to carbon14 as he really does have a half life and I fear that he will continue to grace us with his presence until he eventually turns into nitrogen.
I'm going to see if Kennards is hiring out Time Machines and if so I will be offering seats on a first come first serve basis so we can all enjoy this momentous occasion first hand. His final words would be something like...see I told you we shouldn't have drafted Hislop!!! kerplunk! wakes up again....oh and Graham and Kingsley......what a waste!!! kerplunk again....test pattern...plant food....Crowd cheers!!!! :clapping
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This is hillarious!! :rollin Daniel161 should change his name to carbon14 as he really does have a half life and I fear that he will continue to grace us with his presence until he eventually turns into nitrogen.
I'm going to see if Kennards is hiring out Time Machines and if so I will be offering seats on a first come first serve basis so we can all enjoy this momentous occasion first hand. His final words would be something like...see I told you we shouldn't have drafted Hislop!!! kerplunk! wakes up again....oh and Graham and Kingsley......what a waste!!! kerplunk again....test pattern...plant food....Crowd cheers!!!! :clapping
I suggest going backwards in time and telling his mother to swallow that load. It would save her and all of us pain in the end.
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Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
I actually thought about this some more and guess what? I was able to come to the conclusion that we are indeed a successful club. I thought about ringing Terry Wallace and letting him know that by applying the "daniel161 theorem" the pressure is officially off. After all, St Kilda and Bulldog and Docker and Melbourne supporters know we are successful because we have won 10 since inception and 5 since any of their last.
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This is hillarious!! :rollin Daniel161 should change his name to carbon14 as he really does have a half life and I fear that he will continue to grace us with his presence until he eventually turns into nitrogen.
I'm pretty sure he's already methane
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I suggest going backwards in time and telling his mother to swallow that load. It would save her and all of us pain in the end.
:bow
:bow
Post of the year nomination. Just brilliant
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This is hillarious!! :rollin Daniel161 should change his name to carbon14 as he really does have a half life and I fear that he will continue to grace us with his presence until he eventually turns into nitrogen.
I'm going to see if Kennards is hiring out Time Machines and if so I will be offering seats on a first come first serve basis so we can all enjoy this momentous occasion first hand. His final words would be something like...see I told you we shouldn't have drafted Hislop!!! kerplunk! wakes up again....oh and Graham and Kingsley......what a waste!!! kerplunk again....test pattern...plant food....Crowd cheers!!!! :clapping
I suggest going backwards in time and telling his mother to swallow that load. It would save her and all of us pain in the end.
she did swallow but i still came out.
such a skillful family we are, nothing is beyond us
you could do worse than take a leaf out of our book my man
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Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
I actually thought about this some more and guess what? I was able to come to the conclusion that we are indeed a successful club. I thought about ringing Terry Wallace and letting him know that by applying the "daniel161 theorem" the pressure is officially off. After all, St Kilda and Bulldog and Docker and Melbourne supporters know we are successful because we have won 10 since inception and 5 since any of their last.
compared to them stuff of course we are but in my life time we are pathetic.
i dont accept mediocre and until we regulary make finals and win flags in my eyes we have failed.
we had it all in the 70's and 80's and blew it away with pathetic trades. Guess what nothing has changed.
The supporters are the ONLY reason this team is still alive today. 30 k supporters with no finals tell me which club would have survived as we have.
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Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
I actually thought about this some more and guess what? I was able to come to the conclusion that we are indeed a successful club. I thought about ringing Terry Wallace and letting him know that by applying the "daniel161 theorem" the pressure is officially off. After all, St Kilda and Bulldog and Docker and Melbourne supporters know we are successful because we have won 10 since inception and 5 since any of their last.
compared to them eff of course we are but in my life time we are pathetic.
i dont accept mediocre and until we regulary make finals and win flags in my eyes we have failed.
we had it all in the 70's and 80's and blew it away with pathetic trades. Guess what nothing has changed.
The supporters are the ONLY reason this team is still alive today. 30 k supporters with no finals tell me which club would have survived as we have.
Many would think that poor spelling and grammer is mediocrity incarnate. Pots and kettles, methinks.
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Who cares about finals when you win flags fruitloop.
16 since their inception
4 since our last
enough said
I actually thought about this some more and guess what? I was able to come to the conclusion that we are indeed a successful club. I thought about ringing Terry Wallace and letting him know that by applying the "daniel161 theorem" the pressure is officially off. After all, St Kilda and Bulldog and Docker and Melbourne supporters know we are successful because we have won 10 since inception and 5 since any of their last.
compared to them eff of course we are but in my life time we are pathetic.
i dont accept mediocre and until we regulary make finals and win flags in my eyes we have failed.
we had it all in the 70's and 80's and blew it away with pathetic trades. Guess what nothing has changed.
The supporters are the ONLY reason this team is still alive today. 30 k supporters with no finals tell me which club would have survived as we have.
Many would think that poor spelling and grammer is mediocrity incarnate. Pots and kettles, methinks.
with the greatest respect HK and pardon me if i sound rude but your a fu.khead
commercial Road beckons for you buddy
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with the greatest respect HK and pardon me if i sound rude but your a effhead
:lol :rollin :lol
In another life were you the Iraqi Minister For Contradictions And Confusions?
:lol :rollin :lol
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with the greatest respect HK and pardon me if i sound rude but your a effhead
:lol :rollin :lol
In another life were you the Iraqi Minister For Contradictions And Confusions?
:lol :rollin :lol
:clapping :bow :thatsgold :ROTFL
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compared to them eff of course we are but in my life time we are pathetic.
So nothing else matters or counts if it didn't happen in your lifetime?
i dont accept mediocre
Mediocrity - and none of us do Daniel, even those who have been lucky enough to see success in our lifetimes.
until we regulary make finals and win flags in my eyes we have failed
That's the problem with judging something - you can only ever be right in hindsight. Only courageous people will stand up for the present and attempt to forecast the future. It is soooooo easy to be critical on the past. Yes we have failed in the past but for the past few years we have not done anything the same as the past - look through the woods of prejudice and find the trees of reality.
we had it all in the 70's and 80's and blew it away with pathetic trades. Guess what nothing has changed.
Guess what. I lived through it and soooooo much has changed. See above.
The supporters are the ONLY reason this team is still alive today. 30 k supporters with no finals tell me which club would have survived as we have.
I could mention the Swans or the Bulldogs or the Saints here. They had/have a smaller supporter base, have spent far longer 'in the wilderness' than us, and yet they survive just as well as us to this day. Don't get carried away by the concept of the 'almighty Richmond supporter' carrying us on forever. We are just as exposed as most other clubs to the hardships and uncertainty that lack of success brings. If you really want to make a difference and support a club worth supporting then look for the good and promote it - shout it from the rooftops, sell it on the street corners, wear the colours with pride and a positive outlook. I promise you - it will be far more uplifting and life enhancing than always seeing a glass half empty.
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Bring back Baghdad Bob ;D
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Here's the bomberblitz threads on Hislop:
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=46254
Here's that 79 pages one:
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=44343
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Went for a drink last night and met a massive Bomber fan who provided some insight into Tom Hislop.
Firstly he suggested Hislop has some drug and alcohol related issues but the final straw was after the Bomber B&F this year when Hislop went to Bar 20 with his own mates and had an altercation with a guy and glassed him.
It was then Matty Knights sent him on his way.
Now i cant cant confirm if this is true but this is what he said. He seemed to know a lot but as i said who knows.
Can someone confirm what this guy did?
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Went for a drink last night and met a massive Bomber fan who provided some insight into Tom Hislop.
Firstly he suggested Hislop has some drug and alcohol related issues but the final straw was after the Bomber B&F this year when Hislop went to Bar 20 with his own mates and had an altercation with a guy and glassed him.
It was then Matty Knights sent him on his way.
Now i cant cant confirm if this is true but this is what he said. He seemed to know a lot but as i said who knows.
Can someone confirm what this guy did?
Yeah that's the main rumour although I think the whole glassing thing has been skewed a bit as I have heard/read many different version of events on what actually happened in the altercation. Also it's all alcohol abuse issues as far as I'm aware, I've never heard him related to drugs whatsoever.
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If he glassed anyone then he'd be charged with assault or most likely assault with a deadly weapon and it would be all over the news.
It still didn't stop Essendon offering him a contract for next year.
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If this is the case then i was wrong by comparing meyer to Hislop.
Meyer is an outstanding guy compared to this thug.
it makes peeing on a wall seem like a joke compared to this carry on.
One thing this Essendon supporter said is he aint affraid of a fight. Thats all good and well but he needs to play footy not be a thug which i expect him to be.
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If this is the case then i was wrong by comparing meyer to Hislop.
Meyer is an outstanding guy compared to this thug.
it makes peeing on a wall seem like a joke compared to this carry on.
One thing this Essendon supporter said is he aint affraid of a fight. Thats all good and well but he needs to play footy not be a thug which i expect him to be.
No doubt he needs to iron out his troubles but lets not hang him out to dry on chinese whispers we dont know are true. We know he had an altercation but there are many versions of events about that night that doesnt involve him glassing someone and actually says that he was victim of a glassing in the altercation and ended up at the emergency department of a hospital.
So victim or villian? We do not know.
Same age as me and went to school not too far away from me. Never came across as a thug and played footy with no aggression that wasn't about winning the ball despite him being monster size in school footy that he couldve flattened nearly everyone, and never seemed a bad bloke when I came across him. But I never came across him drunk.
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I'm glad we are back on topic again.
Interesting what you report daniel. I hope you are wrong about the drugs issue. If it is just alcohol then this sounds like a maturity issue rather than a terminal problem. This could be the making of the lad - a fresh start. If he seems to be heading down the same path once again then we tie him up with an air tight behaviour contract and if he stuffs up again we cut him free. I don't think it will get to this though.
Hislop sounds like a speculative pick to me - he could go either way a bit like when Buddy was chosen. I think he will end up being a real find.
Stripes
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If this is the case then i was wrong by comparing meyer to Hislop.
Meyer is an outstanding guy compared to this thug.
it makes peeing on a wall seem like a joke compared to this carry on.
One thing this Essendon supporter said is he aint affraid of a fight. Thats all good and well but he needs to play footy not be a thug which i expect him to be.
No doubt he needs to iron out his troubles but lets not hang him out to dry on chinese whispers we dont know are true. We know he had an altercation but there are many versions of events about that night that doesnt involve him glassing someone and actually says that he was victim of a glassing in the altercation and ended up at the emergency department of a hospital.
So victim or villian? We do not know.
Same age as me and went to school not too far away from me. Never came across as a thug and played footy with no aggression that wasn't about winning the ball despite him being monster size in school footy that he couldve flattened nearly everyone, and never seemed a bad bloke when I came across him. But I never came across him drunk.
I heard from a friend of a friend that Hislop actually shot JFK and not Lee Harvey Oswald is good friends with Osama Bin Laden and actually flew one of the Planes and survived :lol
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If this is the case then i was wrong by comparing meyer to Hislop.
Meyer is an outstanding guy compared to this thug.
it makes peeing on a wall seem like a joke compared to this carry on.
One thing this Essendon supporter said is he aint affraid of a fight. Thats all good and well but he needs to play footy not be a thug which i expect him to be.
No doubt he needs to iron out his troubles but lets not hang him out to dry on chinese whispers we dont know are true. We know he had an altercation but there are many versions of events about that night that doesnt involve him glassing someone and actually says that he was victim of a glassing in the altercation and ended up at the emergency department of a hospital.
So victim or villian? We do not know.
Same age as me and went to school not too far away from me. Never came across as a thug and played footy with no aggression that wasn't about winning the ball despite him being monster size in school footy that he couldve flattened nearly everyone, and never seemed a bad bloke when I came across him. But I never came across him drunk.
I heard from a friend of a friend that Hislop actually shot JFK and not Lee Harvey Oswald is good friends with Osama Bin Laden and actually flew one of the Planes and survived :lol
He was also the one that planted drugs on Schapelle Corby and was the one who supplied David Hicks with the RPG he was photographed with.
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Have you guys been posting to Bomber Blitz? :o
Wow, what an eye-opening experience after spending a couple of hours of my Sunday following the links in one-eyed's post. I thought we had some 'challenged' types supporting us that posted to various forums but boy, they don't blow wind up the backside of many on the BB site. Some of the comments and opinions are actually a bit scary from the perspective of "these people actually exist". They have spent nearly 3 months and over 80 pages dissecting and arguing the merits of Tom Hislop and his move (eventually) to Richmond. Aside from the saturation of 'bogan-esque' comments, what I was able to glean is that he is a 20 year old kid with potential who has stuffed up a few times, although never in a 'public crime' sense. He might make it, he might not, but he appeared to have a fair number of supporters who thought he was worth persevering with. Many others felt he had been given enough chances and was not 'salvageable' from a football perspective. How much of this was attributed to his 'defection' (as many saw it) I can only guess. End of the day it seems we have drafted what we thought we had - a kid that needs (a) to grow up and (b) the support of his new club, while he finds his place in the bigger AFL picture. He might not ever make make it but we certainly appear to have something to work with.
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Yep they are a funny lot over there at BB. According to them their young KPPs are all stars in the making because they haven't played an AFL game yet while ours are crap because they are playing senior footy and not dominating every week ??? :rollin. Yep Jack Riewoldt is a dud because he only kicked 1 or 2 goals against Essendon and not 5 like the week before against the Eagles :lol.
Back on Hislop, the B&F incident did put him on the outer at Windy Hill but if he had done anything criminal like assault it would've been in the papers and he would've been charged by the cops and off to court. What he does need to do from now on is stay off the booze.
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Have you guys been posting to Bomber Blitz? :o
Wow, what an eye-opening experience after spending a couple of hours of my Sunday following the links in one-eyed's post. I thought we had some 'challenged' types supporting us that posted to various forums but boy, they don't blow wind up the backside of many on the BB site. Some of the comments and opinions are actually a bit scary from the perspective of "these people actually exist".
Yep, when I get bored I have a look over there to see what the wild animals are doing in the zoo. Usually they have been let out of the cages and are going hammer and tongs at each with a few carcasses strewn on the sidelines.
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Have you guys been posting to Bomber Blitz? :o
Wow, what an eye-opening experience after spending a couple of hours of my Sunday following the links in one-eyed's post. I thought we had some 'challenged' types supporting us that posted to various forums but boy, they don't blow wind up the backside of many on the BB site. Some of the comments and opinions are actually a bit scary from the perspective of "these people actually exist".
Yep, when I get bored I have a look over there to see what the wild animals are doing in the zoo. Usually they have been let out of the cages and are going hammer and tongs at each with a few carcasses strewn on the sidelines.
Maybe one of these guys ended up in some Barney Rubble with Tom Hislop? Can't say we could blame him.
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So what did we all think of Hislop's game?
Hislop takes chance to play big role for Tigers
BY Alex Fair
16/06/2009
THE rollercoaster career of Burnie's Tom Hislop continued on Saturday night, with the young midfielder playing a big part in Richmond's win against West Coast at Etihad Stadium.
The former number 20 draft pick, who was delisted from Essendon after seven games in two seasons at the end of last year, lined up for his fourth game as a Tiger and finished with 14 possessions and two important goals.
http://www.examiner.com.au/news/local/sport/general/hislop-takes-chance-to-play-big-role-for-tigers/1541352.aspx
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Did enough to earn another week.
Not a lot more but something to build on.
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His tackling is his greatest asset
I worry when he has to kick the thing though ;D
Thought he was reasonable and should hold his place
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Strangely enough he seems to be a pretty good set shot for goal
Has kicked some nice goals from not the easiest of angles
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Does the fact that we picked up Hislop after the Bombers mean that the Tigers have gone Hisloppy seconds? Or is that Coburg?
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he really should be given a run of games, I like the look of him, is as tough as nails, needs to build some confidence...hell we've persevered with alot worse players...I have a feeling rawlo likes him so he'll get his chance :clapping
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Meh. Just a footballer.
Too slow IMO. Goals aside thought Wirra absolutely murdered him and ran off him at will.
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Meh. Just a footballer.
Too slow IMO. Goals aside thought Wirra absolutely murdered him and ran off him at will.
He adds some hardness and doesn't mind throwing his weight around (see Kerr) but yep Wirrapanda left him for dead in that second quarter.
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Far too early to make the call on him
Plenty to go before he does
Hardly surprising that a veteran and premiership player has a bigger tank to run off a kid in his 11th game of AFL and his first back at senior level in 8 weeks.
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I think he is a coward. I saw him pull out of atleast 2 contests during the game. Maybe he is learning from the best ie. Pettifer.
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I think he is a coward. I saw him pull out of atleast 2 contests during the game. Maybe he is learning from the best ie. Pettifer.
Hislop is a poor man's Petrified.
another hack who cant kick, which we could have done without
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Hislop is another average player who shouldnt be at Richmond beyond this year but will probably survive because no club can sack 15 players in one hit.
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sometimes I think Richmond supporters are the dumbest in the league. It seems whenever an ordinary hack kicks a couple of goals or plays ok in the reserves there is a frenzy of excitment that is so un warranted.
I remember huge hysteria over a litlle fella called Justin Plapp. The hype was laughable. Todd Menegola (number 29, dont get me started) was a better footy player than that hack.
Here we go again, Tommy Hyslop aint gonna get us to the finals people! Wake up!!!!
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What did we all think of Hislop's game? 19 possies and a goal. Rawlings singled him out for praise after the game.
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sometimes I think Richmond supporters are the dumbest in the league. It seems whenever an ordinary hack kicks a couple of goals or plays ok in the reserves there is a frenzy of excitment that is so un warranted.
I remember huge hysteria over a litlle fella called Justin Plapp. The hype was laughable. Todd Menegola (number 29, dont get me started) was a better footy player than that hack.
Here we go again, Tommy Hyslop aint gonna get us to the finals people! Wake up!!!!
100% correct.
you speak a lot of sense mate.
Hislop give me a break.
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Thought he tried hard and looking to be a bit more settled as each week passes. I think with some development he can progress well.
But seeing as everyone here think he is a hack shouldn't be any point talking about it.
Same people season in season out, "Tambling is a hack" well ladies and gentleman take a good look at Richie now, i hope you've choked on your words. :banghead
Give him some time his attitude has improved and he puts some very serious physical pressure in close. I think he'll mould into a Josh Hunt type player that can play either down back or up forward and pop up for some goals.
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Thought he tried hard and looking to be a bit more settled as each week passes. I think with some development he can progress well.
But seeing as everyone here think he is a hack shouldn't be any point talking about it.
Same people season in season out, "Tambling is a hack" well ladies and gentleman take a good look at Richie now, i hope you've choked on your words. :banghead
Give him some time his attitude has improved and he puts some very serious physical pressure in close. I think he'll mould into a Josh Hunt type player that can play either down back or up forward and pop up for some goals.
u cannot be serious, comparing rt with sloppy
hislop is a joke and always will be, rt always had the x factor
hisloppy cost us dearly lasr night and should never play for us again
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Hislop was not our worst. I thought he was not too bad bud comparing him to Tambo is abit rich. Based on the last two months only Jako and Cuz could honestly come close to the form Tambo has shown.
Shane Edwards was worse.
Taking on McLeod whilst Andrew was standing still and still getting pinned for holding the ball: ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha lmfao :banghead
He will never be a player. Can't use the Wallace game plan as an excuse now.
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Some of you need glasses
No one compared his game to Tamblings, there was simply the comment that some players take time, just like Tambling
Hislop is still very early in his career, stupid to give up on him yet
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Some of you need glasses
No one compared his game to Tamblings, there was simply the comment that some players take time, just like Tambling
Hislop is still very early in his career, stupid to give up on him yet
the only thing slops has to offer is biceps
he is no afl player and never will be
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I thought his game was passable and definitely deserves more games. At least we should be finding out whether he can cut it rather than bringing in the older players that can play his position eg Pettifer, Bowden
Interesting how Jade said he doesnt have a lot of confidence in himself, hope he doesnt read internet forums
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What did people think of Hislop's game on the weekend...
Personally I thought his was a good game...had 3 goal assists and kicked one himself...albeit cos Rivers fumbled..but he still chased back and put the pressure on...causing the fumble...
His hardness in the fwd line is something we have lacked for ages...
What do people think he needs to do to take the nest step up in level?
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Keep him in the side, give him more and more game time and see if he makes it
Simple as that
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Keep him in the side, give him more and more game time and see if he makes it
Simple as that
What he said.
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I read somewhere that Essendonfc.com posted that Hislop was injured?
What's the latest on him? Can't see any evidence he's playing at Coburg? Same with Thompson?
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I read somewhere that Essendonfc.com posted that Hislop was injured?
What's the latest on him? Can't see any evidence he's playing at Coburg? Same with Thompson?
He's meant to be done for the season.
I've also read somewhere else that he'll be at the club next season.
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I read somewhere that Essendonfc.com posted that Hislop was injured?
What's the latest on him? Can't see any evidence he's playing at Coburg? Same with Thompson?
He's meant to be done for the season.
I've also read somewhere else that he'll be at the club next season.
Why? He is an average player at best, I'd rather we took a kid in the draft.
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I read somewhere that Essendonfc.com posted that Hislop was injured?
What's the latest on him? Can't see any evidence he's playing at Coburg? Same with Thompson?
He's had an operation. Won't play again this season.
From Broadsword95 on Y&B
Hislop is said to be suffering from patellar tendinopathy. It is...
"very common in jumping sports like basketball and volleyball but also occurs in football players"
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=327919#post327919
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I read somewhere that Essendonfc.com posted that Hislop was injured?
What's the latest on him? Can't see any evidence he's playing at Coburg? Same with Thompson?
He's meant to be done for the season.
I've also read somewhere else that he'll be at the club next season.
Why? He is an average player at best, I'd rather we took a kid in the draft.
Clearly Hardwick likes the way he goes about it and follows his instructions
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delist him!
he has no skill.
he only tackles, just can teach everyone that!
DELIST! 1st one on the list to delist on my list ... McMahon 2nd!
:)
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delist him!
he has no skill.
he only tackles, just can teach everyone that!
DELIST! 1st one on the list to delist on my list ... McMahon 2nd!
:)
Kidding yourself, there are a few ahead of him
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Agree with Torch
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not a certainty to be delisted, shame he wasnt fit to give a run...something tells me there will be a choice between King, Hislop and thomo..and I reckon kingy would be fav, due to his pace and knack of winning a fair share of footy
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delist him!
he has no skill.
he only tackles, just can teach everyone that!
DELIST! 1st one on the list to delist on my list ... McMahon 2nd!
:)
Kidding yourself, there are a few ahead of him
name them then big mouth
Thomson, Mclovin and Hislop should all be shown the exit door as early as possible.
3 hacks of the highest order that couldnt play footy even when we werent winning. Dimma knows they are all useless as most of us do to
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I think we can all learn from the garbage everyone has said about Farmer, Edwards, Graham even Jack Riewoldt.
Let them play and develop under Hardwick and they will improve. Tom was a star junior footballer with great skills. Add some confidence and belief and that will come back.
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I think we can all learn from the garbage everyone has said about Farmer, Edwards, Graham even Jack Riewoldt.
Let them play and develop under Hardwick and they will improve. Tom was a star junior footballer with great skills. Add some confidence and belief and that will come back.
Hislop has proved he is nothing more than a thug who cant win his own ball. See Collingwood game last year. that was enough for me.
King has improved but still has question marks. Farmer is improving.
Mclovin and Thompson are for the tip. Even they wouldnt take these 2 duds.
Edwards i admit i got that one wrong. The others i never doubted.
I really doubt all 3 will be on our list next year.
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King has improved but I agree there are still question marks. Farmer has improved as well. The Melbourne game showed to all that Hislop is not upto scratch
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After watching the finals so far, I could see why a guy like Hislop might be persisted with.
They have been tight, high pressure games and a guy like Hislop could rattle a few bones if he a) gets another contract and b) we make finals.
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Hislop will be a very lucky boy if he survives IMO. Just 22 games in total averaging just 11 disposals and still ill-disciplined after 4 years in the system isn't a good look.
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Hislop will be a very lucky boy if he survives IMO. Just 22 games in total averaging just 11 disposals and still ill-disciplined after 4 years in the system isn't a good look.
I wouldn't mind 1 more year to give him a full pre season and hope with a bit of luck he may be able to shine in a team full of confidence and with a game plan.
Hislop has played under Wallace and a post 2006 Sheedy.. You could argue he hasnt even been coached at all lol.
I'd be interested to see how he'd go under Hardwick with some luck he may be OK.
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stuff the undisciplined little idiot.
there is a reason why the Bombers got rid of him.
i dont even think i saw him at the B & F. Ditto Thomson. Lets hope Dimma told him not to waste their time.
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i dont even think i saw him at the B & F. Ditto Thomson. Lets hope Dimma told him not to waste their time.
They were both there daniel ;D
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i dont even think i saw him at the B & F. Ditto Thomson. Lets hope Dimma told him not to waste their time.
They were both there daniel ;D
didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
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didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
Didn't look names up either - just saw them and said "hello" :rollin
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i dont even think i saw him at the B & F. Ditto Thomson. Lets hope Dimma told him not to waste their time.
They were both there daniel ;D
didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
I'm sure the feeling is mutual
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i dont even think i saw him at the B & F. Ditto Thomson. Lets hope Dimma told him not to waste their time.
They were both there daniel ;D
didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
Why is it that you develop a personel hatred of people just because you think they do not play to a set standard a game you were not good enough play yourself?
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too Right GR12.
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didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
Didn't look names up either - just saw them and said "hello" :rollin
Did they say if they are staying or going? ;)
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i dont even think i saw him at the B & F. Ditto Thomson. Lets hope Dimma told him not to waste their time.
They were both there daniel ;D
didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
Why is it that you develop a personel hatred of people just because you think they do not play to a set standard a game you were not good enough play yourself?
and since when do you know a lot about me.
heres a thought if you dont like what i say, dont reply.
Ill repeat. Hislop is as much of a joke on this football club as Mcmahon and Thompson are.
Edit: settle!
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didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
Didn't look names up either - just saw them and said "hello" :rollin
Did they say if they are staying or going? ;)
Neither as I didn't ask ;D
IMHO not the night for it ;)
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i dont even think i saw him at the B & F. Ditto Thomson. Lets hope Dimma told him not to waste their time.
They were both there daniel ;D
didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
Why is it that you develop a personel hatred of people just because you think they do not play to a set standard a game you were not good enough play yourself?
and since when do you know a lot about me.
heres a thought if you dont like what i say, dont reply.
Ill repeat. Hislop is as much of a joke on this football club as Mcmahon and Thompson are.
Edit: settle!
If i don't like what you write then don't reply? Hardly democratic that is! You reply to every post you don't like yet i shouldn't? MMMMM.....
So maybe you have played AFL then? Daniel '161' Giansiracusa? Daniel 'Bradshaw'? Daniel Cross? Which one are you?
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i dont even think i saw him at the B & F. Ditto Thomson. Lets hope Dimma told him not to waste their time.
They were both there daniel ;D
didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
Why is it that you develop a personel hatred of people just because you think they do not play to a set standard a game you were not good enough play yourself?
and since when do you know a lot about me.
heres a thought if you dont like what i say, dont reply.
Ill repeat. Hislop is as much of a joke on this football club as Mcmahon and Thompson are.
Edit: settle!
If i don't like what you write then don't reply? Hardly democratic that is! You reply to every post you don't like yet i shouldn't? MMMMM.....
So maybe you have played AFL then? Daniel '161' Giansiracusa? Daniel 'Bradshaw'? Daniel Cross? Which one are you?
I AM DANIEL SOUTHERN! is that diplomatic for you
the thing is i have a right to reply to all posts, you dont because your insignificant like WAT was before he saw the light and left.
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i dont even think i saw him at the B & F. Ditto Thomson. Lets hope Dimma told him not to waste their time.
They were both there daniel ;D
didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
Why is it that you develop a personel hatred of people just because you think they do not play to a set standard a game you were not good enough play yourself?
and since when do you know a lot about me.
heres a thought if you dont like what i say, dont reply.
Ill repeat. Hislop is as much of a joke on this football club as Mcmahon and Thompson are.
Edit: settle!
If i don't like what you write then don't reply? Hardly democratic that is! You reply to every post you don't like yet i shouldn't? MMMMM.....
So maybe you have played AFL then? Daniel '161' Giansiracusa? Daniel 'Bradshaw'? Daniel Cross? Which one are you?
I AM DANIEL SOUTHERN! is that diplomatic for you
the thing is i have a right to reply to all posts, you dont because your insignificant like WAT was before he saw the light and left.
Insignificant! Why? Cos i disagree with you? I think i know who the insignificant is! Your life is so void of achievements you have to create them online by bagging people you don't even know! I feel sorry for you!
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i dont even think i saw him at the B & F. Ditto Thomson. Lets hope Dimma told him not to waste their time.
They were both there daniel ;D
didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
Why is it that you develop a personel hatred of people just because you think they do not play to a set standard a game you were not good enough play yourself?
and since when do you know a lot about me.
heres a thought if you dont like what i say, dont reply.
Ill repeat. Hislop is as much of a joke on this football club as Mcmahon and Thompson are.
Edit: settle!
If i don't like what you write then don't reply? Hardly democratic that is! You reply to every post you don't like yet i shouldn't? MMMMM.....
So maybe you have played AFL then? Daniel '161' Giansiracusa? Daniel 'Bradshaw'? Daniel Cross? Which one are you?
I AM DANIEL SOUTHERN! is that diplomatic for you
the thing is i have a right to reply to all posts, you dont because your insignificant like WAT was before he saw the light and left.
Didnt WAT move overseas?
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i dont even think i saw him at the B & F. Ditto Thomson. Lets hope Dimma told him not to waste their time.
They were both there daniel ;D
didnt look for their names on the list and didnt look for them there.
other players more intelligent to have a chat with.
Why is it that you develop a personel hatred of people just because you think they do not play to a set standard a game you were not good enough play yourself?
and since when do you know a lot about me.
heres a thought if you dont like what i say, dont reply.
Ill repeat. Hislop is as much of a joke on this football club as Mcmahon and Thompson are.
Edit: settle!
If i don't like what you write then don't reply? Hardly democratic that is! You reply to every post you don't like yet i shouldn't? MMMMM.....
So maybe you have played AFL then? Daniel '161' Giansiracusa? Daniel 'Bradshaw'? Daniel Cross? Which one are you?
I AM DANIEL SOUTHERN! is that diplomatic for you
the thing is i have a right to reply to all posts, you dont because your insignificant like WAT was before he saw the light and left.
Didnt WAT move overseas?
He went to work in a cave.
:lol
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I didn't get to say goodbye.
;D
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Must be delisted. Surely!
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Agree with Magic
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Must be delisted. Surely!
Personally, will be geniunely surprised if he is
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Must be delisted. Surely!
Personally, will be geniunely surprised if he is
agree with wp
sloppy has alot of influencial fans
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agree with wp
sloppy has alot of influencial fans
Thats just rubbish, the only ppl that should be influencing who stays and who goes is the coach and list manager.
I thought we had moved on from the coterie influence rubbish
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You might find the influential fans ARE the coach and the list manager.
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You might find the influential fans ARE the coach and the list manager.
the quote was 'A LOT'
if it is the coach and list manager he could have just said it that way
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You might find the influential fans ARE the coach and the list manager.
exactly
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agree with wp
sloppy has alot of influencial fans
Thats just rubbish, the only ppl that should be influencing who stays and who goes is the coach and list manager.
I thought we had moved on from the coterie influence rubbish
I stuffen hope we have mate
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agree with wp
sloppy has alot of influencial fans
On what possible basis could he be kept blaisee? ???
He's slow & can't kick. Easy delist if there ever was one.
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agree with wp
sloppy has alot of influencial fans
On what possible basis could he be kept blaisee? ???
He's slow & can't kick. Easy delist if there ever was one.
Not wanting to answer for blaisee
But IMHO Mr Magic the coaches love him and that would be one (read main) reason I reckon he wont get de-listed
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But IMHO Mr Magic the coaches love him and that would be one (read main) reason I reckon he wont get de-listed
They can always date outside of football. ;D
Don't feel the same way myself.
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My opinion is this
Bit of a sniper which I dont like.
Has poor skills, cant kick
Good mark, although he aint big,
Plenty of better options out there.
Seen him at the local footy,has a small frame, how many small players do we want????
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Get Nathan Jones, bye bye Hislop
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Plenty of better options out there.
I'd rather have kept ol' Rainesy than Sloppy and that's saying something.
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If he's kept on can consider himself very lucky and surely only has 1 year in which to prove himself under Hardwick or he gets the ass in 2011 – no matter how much people are in love with his naked calendar pics.
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agree with wp
sloppy has alot of influencial fans
On what possible basis could he be kept blaisee? ???
He's slow & can't kick. Easy delist if there ever was one.
Not wanting to answer for blaisee
But IMHO Mr Magic the coaches love him and that would be one (read main) reason I reckon he wont get de-listed
not saying I agree but he is still considered an unfulfilled talent in a position that is perhaps our greatest weakness, defensive small forward.
Not a great kick this is true, but his attack on the ball is just extreme, is genuinely tough and has a nasty streak, something we need more of IMHO. Probably has more genuine talent than King, in that he has shown glimpses of winning contested ball in congestion, so I guess they are hoping that if he gets a good run injury wise he could take a big step forward. Is probably the best aerialist of our small forwards as well, that wont hurt his chances of getting another year either, is the right age as well. Who knows maybe things have changed but the last I heard he was still in Dimmas plans .
Is this the vibe you get too WP?
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Get Nathan Jones, bye bye Hislop
I really dont understand what the point of an inane comment like this is. Of course Nathan Jones is a better footballer than Sloppy on exposed form. But one is a listed RFC player and the other is a required footballer of the MFC, how exactly are we going to get Jones to richmond jack, looking forward to some winks ;) ;) ;). Getting a B grade inside midfielder in Nathan Jones is the least of our prioriities.
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not saying I agree but he is still considered an unfulfilled talent in a position that is perhaps our greatest weakness, defensive small forward.
Probably has more genuine talent than King
Can't agree with any of this blaisee.
King has been far more effective than Hislop as a small forward in the back half of the year when compared with Hislop's ordinary front half.
Jake has much more talent from what I have seen.
If we give Hislop another contract I will disagree with it no matter whether Dimma (who I have enormous respect for) makes that decision or not.
I would much rather see his spot on the list in 2011 be given to another player. Anyone.
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not saying I agree but he is still considered an unfulfilled talent in a position that is perhaps our greatest weakness, defensive small forward.
Probably has more genuine talent than King
Can't agree with any of this blaisee.
King has been far more effective than Hislop as a small forward in the back half of the year when compared with Hislop's ordinary front half.
Jake has much more talent from what I have seen.
If we give Hislop another contract I will disagree with it no matter whether Dimma (who I have enormous respect for) makes that decision or not.
I would much rather see his spot on the list in 2011 be given to another player. Anyone.
all true magic man and you are entitled to your opinion. The fact is dimma has a bigger vested interest than all of us in making sure the list is spot on and continuing to invest development into players at the expense of others. On that basis we have to back him in in my opinion. Could be wrong, for all we know he may be delisted, but regardless of the decision I will support it, and so should all members in my opinion. Maybe dimma and craig cameron and the rest of the coaches see something in him that we don't. Its their job to extract it, and good luck to them , we need a good defensive forward desparately.
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I would have delisted King at the end of last year, so you're correct that they do deserve the benefit of the doubt and support but they won't/don't get them all right either. I'll honestly be amazed if he's retained.
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I would have delisted King at the end of last year, so you're correct that they do deserve the benefit of the doubt and support but they won't/don't get them all right either. I'll honestly be amazed if he's retained.
I reckon he will be retained but will be amazed if he makes it.
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If he's kept I hope its with a demotion to the rookie list
That being said, if he's kept, I'm kinda looking forward to the tantrums that are going to be thrown by the usual suspects
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Dud.Delist and try to forget.
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If he's kept I hope its with a demotion to the rookie list
My feeling is you might be on the money Infamy.
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He is not soft.
If he can get fit he'd be handy in the man rooke forward line role at coburg.
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If he's kept I hope its with a demotion to the rookie list
That being said, if he's kept, I'm kinda looking forward to the tantrums that are going to be thrown by the usual suspects
I'll certainly be disappointed even if he's retained on the rookie list. Would prefer a punt on a player who actually has a chance of making it.
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A fit Hislop would be a huge chance to win the B & F, At Coburg
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Hislop delisted. Promised a rookie spot. Official internally.
All the delistings now know and except Hislop and the retirees they will all be put on the trade table first and not announced until after trade week.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19103864&postcount=453
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Hislop delisted. Promised a rookie spot. Official internally.
All the delistings now know and except Hislop and the retirees they will all be put on the trade table first and not announced until after trade week.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19103864&postcount=453
waste of a rookie spot, if his kicking skills were even mediocre instead of appalling, I'd say persist bc of his other strengths, but he is the biggest butcher of the ball I've ever seen, never seen an afl player shank it as much as he does.
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Delist him.
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I second that!
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Rumour has it that Hislop has been elevated off the rookie list.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21259097&postcount=93
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Fair enough. Not a fan but he's been getting in the best players nearly every week for Coburg
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Hopefully he takes Farmers spot.
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Official - Hislop promoted off the rookie list
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/115844/default.aspx
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Hopefully he takes Farmers spot.
Farmer- what a shitman.
He could have played in Terry and Spuds all stars
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Serious question:
Does anyone think that Hislop could be a decent inside mid?
I think we could use another ball winner seeing as our contested game is way down and Tucky's output appears to be on the decline.
The general consensus has always been that he is tough but too scrappy with his disposal, but i hear that he has been playing well at Coburg.
Is his contested work/handballing good enough to potentially fill this role?
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Serious question:
Does anyone think that Hislop could be a decent inside mid?
I think we could use another ball winner seeing as our contested game is way down and Tucky's output appears to be on the decline.
The general consensus has always been that he is tough but too scrappy with his disposal, but i hear that he has been playing well at Coburg.
Is his contested work/handballing good enough to potentially fill this role?
that is the exact reason he has been elevated & named
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I dont believe that a player could even make it onto an AFL if his disposal as what we have seen from hislop in recent times.
The claw actually rated him as junior, which i doubt would happen if his disposal was that poor.
My suspicion is that his dicky knees and associated problems made someone with average disposal look like a retread.
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Good luck Tom. :thumbsup
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I dont believe that a player could even make it onto an AFL if his disposal as what we have seen from hislop in recent times.
The claw actually rated him as junior, which i doubt would happen if his disposal was that poor.
My suspicion is that his dicky knees and associated problems made someone with average disposal look like a retread.
agree thing is im totally over any player who cant use well.
for me three things with tom have spelt trouble. kicking, pace and motor. if he plays as an inside mid pacxe and to a lesser extent kicking are problems that can be tolerated.
as a junior and i have to say there were a fair few people who liked aspects of hislops game, tom was a very good mid really big bodied really hard at it strong in tight and packs and he won heaps of ball. he shone at u18s and in the vfl.
one thing for sure if tom is to ever make it at afl level he has to play in the midfield, imo he just doesnt have the attributes to play anywhere else at afl level. if he can play inside kicking and pace are not so important but motor is.
for me ive given up on him with the weaknesses he has. i think we hang onto borderline players for too long and have complained about it bitterly over the yrs. few of those that we have hung onto have ever really gone on with it.
tom may well find his niche i hope he does but if i was in charge he would be finding that niche elsewhere. as it is hes with us and good luck to him.
imo he needed to desperately find a yard of pace imo he needed to take of some bulk i think this yr hes done that if his fitness/motor is up well who knows.
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Hopefully he takes Farmers spot.
Farmer- what a pooman.
He could have played in Terry and Spuds all stars
yep farmer is a strange one.
we got him as a small defender but he has one glaring weakness for this role its called pace. so we now play him as a small forward and one of the attributes you really need for that role is pace.
in a lot of ways srtrengths weaknesses hes in the same boat as hislop.
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Call me crazy but I actually think Hislop will make it.
If he can stay fit I just think he could be a gun tagger or inside mid or even defensive forward.
Call me crazy, I dunno I just have a feeling.
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Good luck to Tommy, I hope he kicks arse! Unlike Farmer Tom's had some really good VFL form.
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I think he can play the role that Brad Miller has been playing lately, a junior CHF, CHF-lite, a Claytons CHF if you know what I mean. Bust a couple of packs.
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I reckon a huge part of whether players make it or not, is obviously fitness.
Lack of stamina makes fast footballers slow and good kicks sloppy ones.
You may be fast... but if you don't have the motor... then each sprint gets slower, kicks shorten, targets get missed and you come back to the pack.
To be consistently fast... all day, you have to be extremely fit.
Same with disposal, decision making and of course the ability to gut run and make 2nd and 3rd efforts (1%ers), link up play and so on.
The reason why Robbie Nahas has improved so much is because he can now run hard and fast all day.... and be involved more than once in a passage of play.
It's the key to Dane Swan's rise to elite level.... his incredible fitness. It makes the good players great and the great players the best players.
I know when I played as a midfielder.... my mantra was to run hard all day and I would get into the flow of the game.If I didn't run hard enough... I played like crap.
Same when I boxed.... when unfit I looked great for about the first five combinations i threw... after 2 minutes, I looked more like a drunken bum than a boxer.
Until I was fit enough, then I could throw punches all day and do what i wanted my body to do.
When you are at peak fitness, you are mentally strong and you can push your body to it's limits trusting it to be able to serve your will.
Then you talent and skills can come to the fore.
Footy isn't just getting to where the ball is.... it's knowing where it's going to be and getting there as well.... fitness.
Fitness builds confidence, then skills and decision making improve and a player can then reach their true potential.
The key with Tom is fitness... and if he can get the fittest he can possibly be... then I believe he can surprise and become a very good player for us.
He has the ability.
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I think Claw has made some very valid points. Good luck to Tom.
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agree thing is im totally over any player who cant use well.
for me three things with tom have spelt trouble. kicking, pace and motor. if he plays as an inside mid pacxe and to a lesser extent kicking are problems that can be tolerated.
as a junior and i have to say there were a fair few people who liked aspects of hislops game, tom was a very good mid really big bodied really hard at it strong in tight and packs and he won heaps of ball. he shone at u18s and in the vfl.
one thing for sure if tom is to ever make it at afl level he has to play in the midfield, imo he just doesnt have the attributes to play anywhere else at afl level. if he can play inside kicking and pace are not so important but motor is.
for me ive given up on him with the weaknesses he has. i think we hang onto borderline players for too long and have complained about it bitterly over the yrs. few of those that we have hung onto have ever really gone on with it.
tom may well find his niche i hope he does but if i was in charge he would be finding that niche elsewhere. as it is hes with us and good luck to him.
imo he needed to desperately find a yard of pace imo he needed to take of some bulk i think this yr hes done that if his fitness/motor is up well who knows.
Agree with all that. I don't give Sloppy much hope at senior level even if he's over the injuries.
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I reckon a huge part of whether players make it or not, is obviously fitness.
Lack of stamina makes fast footballers slow and good kicks sloppy ones.
You may be fast... but if you don't have the motor... then each sprint gets slower, kicks shorten, targets get missed and you come back to the pack.
To be consistently fast... all day, you have to be extremely fit.
Same with disposal, decision making and of course the ability to gut run and make 2nd and 3rd efforts (1%ers), link up play and so on.
The reason why Robbie Nahas has improved so much is because he can now run hard and fast all day.... and be involved more than once in a passage of play.
It's the key to Dane Swan's rise to elite level.... his incredible fitness. It makes the good players great and the great players the best players.
I know when I played as a midfielder.... my mantra was to run hard all day and I would get into the flow of the game.If I didn't run hard enough... I played like crap.
Same when I boxed.... when unfit I looked great for about the first five combinations i threw... after 2 minutes, I looked more like a drunken bum than a boxer.
Until I was fit enough, then I could throw punches all day and do what i wanted my body to do.
When you are at peak fitness, you are mentally strong and you can push your body to it's limits trusting it to be able to serve your will.
Then you talent and skills can come to the fore.
Footy isn't just getting to where the ball is.... it's knowing where it's going to be and getting there as well.... fitness.
Fitness builds confidence, then skills and decision making improve and a player can then reach their true potential.
The key with Tom is fitness... and if he can get the fittest he can possibly be... then I believe he can surprise and become a very good player for us.
He has the ability.
Great post this.
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Call me crazy but I actually think Hislop will make it.
If he can stay fit I just think he could be a gun tagger or inside mid or even defensive forward.
Call me crazy, I dunno I just have a feeling.
yep. I'm calling you crazy. He's not up to it. He's a girl.
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Call me crazy but I actually think Hislop will make it.
If he can stay fit I just think he could be a gun tagger or inside mid or even defensive forward.
Call me crazy, I dunno I just have a feeling.
yep. I'm calling you crazy. He's not up to it. He's a girl.
Bit rough, thought he was OK yesterday.
Team make up went out of whack and played a bits part role when I bet he was going to be put into the middle for an Edwards or forward for White.
He went in hard though and didn't really notice him which was good. Lets judge him after 5-6 games
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Better than Farmer or Miller and the poo man
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Call me crazy but I actually think Hislop will make it.
If he can stay fit I just think he could be a gun tagger or inside mid or even defensive forward.
Call me crazy, I dunno I just have a feeling.
yep. I'm calling you crazy. He's not up to it. He's a girl.
Hislop is a girl?
you been into JC's blood heavily this weekend?
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Call me crazy but I actually think Hislop will make it.
If he can stay fit I just think he could be a gun tagger or inside mid or even defensive forward.
Call me crazy, I dunno I just have a feeling.
yep. I'm calling you crazy. He's not up to it. He's a girl.
Hislop is a girl?
you been into JC's blood heavily this weekend?
I don't know what you mean?
Hislop is barely a VFL standard player. He had his chance at Essendon and failed. Had a second chance at a bottom team and couldn't string games together got delisted and now has a third chance thanks to the kindness of this club. He plays his first game as a sub and has little or no impact when he comes on. Unlike Jack for swans who made an immediate impact as soon as he came on the field. You'd think after all his waiting he would have been busting to come out and make a major statement to the club and thank them for keeping faith in him. What did he give. 8 disposals.!
We didn't notice him because he wasn't where the ball was. Come off it he's not a kid he's not a teenager trying to make his way. He's not good enough!!!!!
.... Yes he's a girly girl girl.!!!
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He did knock his knee and had to come off for abit because of it.
I'd like to see a couple more full games from him to see where his at before judging. I would say he does need to perform well to give me confidence in wanting him to stay on next year though
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He did knock his knee and had to come off for abit because of it.
I'd like to see a couple more full games from him to see where his at before judging. I would say he does need to perform well to give me confidence in wanting him to stay on next year though
:ROTFL
he knocked his knee. :nopity
he would struggle to get on the bench on my daughters netball team.
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I don't know what you mean?
Hislop is barely a VFL standard player. He had his chance at Essendon and failed. Had a second chance at a bottom team and couldn't string games together got delisted and now has a third chance thanks to the kindness of this club. He plays his first game as a sub and has little or no impact when he comes on. Unlike Jack for swans who made an immediate impact as soon as he came on the field. You'd think after all his waiting he would have been busting to come out and make a major statement to the club and thank them for keeping faith in him. What did he give. 8 disposals.!
We didn't notice him because he wasn't where the ball was. Come off it he's not a kid he's not a teenager trying to make his way. He's not good enough!!!!!
.... Yes he's a girly girl girl.!!!
So you just judge players by how many possessions they get then?
Every thought for just a second that he played the role the coaches wanted him to play as a defensive small forward
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most normal people, if calling a footballer a girl are referring to how they the play the game.
Whatever critisims there are about hislop, his attack on the ball/player is not a problem.
If he is a girl then most players in the league are too.
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if Dimma is not the man to take us to where we want its because he gave guys like Hilsop continual game time.
He has proved he cannot play that much is clear so why play him. His form is rubbish, is not part of our future yet gets a game ahead of Tuck. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Hislop HAS to go
And please don't tell me he is contracted next year >:(
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if Dimma is not the man to take us to where we want its because he gave guys like Hilsop continual game time.
He has proved he cannot play that much is clear so why play him. His form is rubbish, is not part of our future yet gets a game ahead of Tuck. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Forget it Dan he will more than likely be scrubbed from the list at the end of the year. The meat of our on field issues essentially do not lie in him being in or out of the side. It's our so called more serviceable players who have been in the system in their fifth season plus that aren't holding up their end and kill the side with their skills decision making when they have the ball and their absence when they don't.
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Hislop HAS to go
And please don't tell me he is contracted next year >:(
Pretty sure Craig Cameron has signed him for a further 3.
Thinks he will turn into an elite player in the competition.
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Herslops. Put your dress back on and go back to Essendon!!
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Oh but his defensive pressure was soooooo great when he came on. Lets not take his stats into consideration(he didn't have one). but his defensive pressure was fantastic. Wasn't it WP? ::)
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I am no Hislop fan, but WTF were you blokes expecting him to do when he came on? Lead us to victory?
FFS
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I am no Hislop fan, but WTF were you blokes expecting him to do when he came on? Lead us to victory?
FFS
nah mate. I wasn't expecting to win so I didn't even go to the game.
I wanted him to DO something. Don't think, just DO!
Unfortunately he didn't even lay a tackle.
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Oh but his defensive pressure was soooooo great when he came on. Lets not take his stats into consideration(he didn't have one). but his defensive pressure was fantastic. Wasn't it WP? ::)
What the,
Why you asking me for Mr Tigra ???
haven't made one single comment about the game against the Bombers last night and don't really intend to' to be honest
Couldn't care less about the tigers right at the moment
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nah mate. I wasn't expecting to win so I didn't even go to the game.
Pretty much sums you up right there.
Funny that you're happy to insult one of our own players on the internet, but you dont have the stones to rock up to games that you dont think we'll win.
:chuck
You are the woman, pal. Not Tommy Hislop.
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GO AWAY TOM HISLOP PLEASE!
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He will be delisted.
He has been promoted from rookie list is struggling and will be delisted.
Have patience. If we were winning and was in the 22 would we be howling as we are. Not as much.
Let it go. He will be delisted.
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Hislop is the most embarassing player on our list right now. might as well have Ty Zantuck running around for Richmond thats how bad a footballer Hislop is.
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nah mate. I wasn't expecting to win so I didn't even go to the game.
Pretty much sums you up right there.
Funny that you're happy to insult one of our own players on the internet, but you dont have the stones to rock up to games that you dont think we'll win.
:chuck
You are the woman, pal. Not Tommy Hislop.
Willy, you dont know me. You have no idea how long or how much money ive given to this club over the years. Mate I was even in the cheer squad in the early 80's. I didnt miss a game for about 10 years. I go to some games now but not all of them like I used to. Moslty because my kids are all teenagers and weekends are busy with sport.
Anyway if you think Herslops is a good player for us then :birthday :santa :clapping :clapping :clapping
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I am no Hislop fan, but WTF were you blokes expecting him to do when he came on? Lead us to victory?
FFS
lol :bow
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Hislop has had enough chances to prove himself. He is not up to AFL standards. Stop playing him. Delist him at the end of the year.
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Willy, you dont know me.
not losing sleep over this. But if i had to hazard a guess, I'd say you were a d'head. ;D - Nah, just kidding.
You have no idea how long or how much money ive given to this club over the years.
Correct. Nor do you me.
I go to some games now but not all of them like I used to. Moslty because my kids are all teenagers and weekends are busy with sport.
Hmmm. Pretty sure you clearly stated that you didnt go on the weekend because you didnt think we would win. Thats pretty weak in my eyes.
Anyway if you think Herslops is a good player for us then :birthday :santa :clapping :clapping :clapping
You're talking pure nonsense here. I never said anything to that affect. I just dont think you have the right to insult him and question his courage in the manner that you do so often. In fact , i think its pretty poo that you would want to do so as a Richmond 'supporter.'
But you clearly think its OK so i guess we move on.