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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: big tone on January 03, 2009, 11:47:17 PM
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Is Terry Wallace a good enough 'game day coach' to get Richmond their next premiership???
As most of us agree, he's done a pretty good job with our list so far, but does he have any of the following skills that I believe are crucial for a succcessful coach:
- The 'tricks' to be able to beat sides that are maybe 'better on paper' than us but to manifacture wins (Alastair Clarkson)
- The 'support' of his players like a Paul Roos - to be able to win games over a long period of time without the greatest list in the league
- The 'football smarts' to out-coach other coaches when games become tight like a Neil Craig
- The ability to be able to 'move with the times and adapt his game plan' around his side - whether it be young or old (Mick Malthouse)
- The 'respect' and the 'toughness' of a Leigh Matthews who commanded nothing less from his players
Has the modern day game of AFL football passed Terry Wallace by.....or has he become just a good list manager???
Has Terry Wallace got what it takes???
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Has Terry Wallace got what it takes???
No! :banghead
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Is Terry Wallace a good enough 'game day coach' to get Richmond their next premiership???
As most of us agree, he's done a pretty good job with our list so far, but does he have any of the following skills that I believe are crucial for a succcessful coach:
- The 'tricks' to be able to beat sides that are maybe 'better on paper' than us but to manifacture wins (Alastair Clarkson)
- The 'support' of his players like a Paul Roos - to be able to win games over a long period of time without the greatest list in the league
- The 'football smarts' to out-coach other coaches when games become tight like a Neil Craig
- The ability to be able to 'move with the times and adapt his game plan' around his side - whether it be young or old (Mick Malthouse)
- The 'respect' and the 'toughness' of a Leigh Matthews who commanded nothing less from his players
Has the modern day game of AFL football passed Terry Wallace by.....or has he become just a good list manager???
Has Terry Wallace got what it takes???
I reckon TW would be entitled to say that he didnt have the best list in the world when he started this gig....over the journey so far he has collected some decent scalps...heck we were the last mob to defeat the premieres in 2008..to answer the question, that doesnt occur from a fella that cant coach...the acid is on now...NO excuses but I reckon he has a few tricks .. :gotigers
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Funny how when he was hired he was always considered a good match day coach but questionable at rebuilding a list yet now people are asking the opposite.
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Has Terry Wallace got what it takes???
Yep
He certainly has much better cattle now
And I can't agree with your Malthouse comment. He hasn't changed his game plan from when he was with the Eagles.
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Terry has had a few party tricks up his sleeves in the coaching game over the years to counter more fancied sides but overall I am not convinced he has the basic game plan week in/out to make a side a premiership/finals force.
Last year it really struck me on game day how many times Wallace was slow to recognise or failed to change things up when it was obvious to all that his pre match setups were not working.
I am yet to be convinced that after 5 years new blood won't do better with the current list.
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We definitely played a more exciting attacking brand of footy last year especially in the second half of the year. I still think at times we over-handball unnecessarily which gets us into trouble and leads to dumb turnovers. I'm hoping as our young forward line comes together and with a better list, those upfield will have more confidence to straighten up further when going forward. At training I still wish Wallace and the coaches would pull up mistakes during scratch matches that we see happen in actual games.
I disagree about Neil Craig. He might have the robotic gameplan to get through a H/A season and into the top 8 but Adelaide have consistently choked in finals.
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Has Terry Wallace got what it takes???
No! :banghead
still banging your head :lol
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Last year it really struck me on game day how many times Wallace was slow to recognise or failed to change things up when it was obvious to all that his pre match setups were not working.
How do you really know though?
I mean we have numerous game day coaches who are experienced at the elite level looking at matchups and performances across the board during a game. We have computers telling us stats you wouldn't even think of so how on earth could one set of eyes who is trying to watch the game be able to know the matchup changes and counter matchups that are then being made in turn by the opposition coach? No coach is going to be able to get every matchup right at that moment, it's an evolving process. It's through trial and error that you will be able to counter a particular player or strategy yet at the same time trying to ensure you are still attacking enough to keep kicking a winning score.
It's naive to think that one person would know everything that's being done on game day.
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Or sometimes there might not be an alternative match up that will work whether it is put into effect or not.
Point in case being that darn St Kilda game where TLP Milne had a field day out against us, TW had tried a number of different match ups and at one stage even went with the Kelvinator against him. An obvious mis-match but TW had run out of logical options.
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Has Terry Wallace got what it takes???
No! :banghead
Face it Jackstar. TW will always be more successful and more well known than you.
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The Herald-Sun today mentions other sides will copy the Hawks and how Richmond has already studied the Hawthorn cluster zone and used it in limited form late last year.
The Age then mentions about how the Pies are using far more handball in their new gameplan as a way to counter the cluster and talks about clubs resorting to multiple gameplans of 'run and carry with handball' and then the 'static tempo' stuff when required.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25025860-19742,00.html
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/pies-to-kick-old-habit/2009/02/08/1234027856396.html
A tick for our coaching staff to adjust and adapt faster to gamplan trends compared to other clubs or are we just copycats too?
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A tick for our coaching staff to adjust and adapt faster to gamplan trends compared to other clubs or are we just copycats too?
Don't know about copycats. We were one of only a few that were able to beat Hawthorn last year. But according to some TW is a tactical dunce so it couldn't have been that - must have just been luck!
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I personally think that there are too many people out there who over estimate the role of a coach.
Great players= Great team.
If John Worsfold can be a Premiership coach anyone can.Tony Shaw would be a premiership coach if he had Judd,Cousins,kerr and Cox all in their prime.
Anyone coaching our list over the next few years is the luckiest man in football.I hope its Terry.
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TW was recruited as an excellent game day tactian, motivator and media manipulator. In fact Eade was considered for the position as he was seen in a similiar light but lacked the nouse infront of the journo's that was clearly needed to keep the 'hounds at bay'. It was common knowledge that Tiger supporters were both impatient and quick to turn on their coach which was why having media experience was essential for the position in 2004.
Terry has had little chance to show his game day ability because he has lacked the cattle to see plans through. Now that our stocks are rising and our talent more experienced we will be on a more level pegging with most other teams which will enable TW to make the difference in games. TW has shown glimpses of his coaching ability using tactics such as what he used to beat the Crows rolling flood and the Hawks Zone.
Terry is at his best when he has an opposition tactic or strategy to break down. He found a way to keep Buddy nearly goalless which other clubs have since attempted to copy. Where he may have seemed to slip up is when individual matchups have failed but this is a laymans illusion as we can not see the broader picture. If one matchup is changed then it has implications all over the ground and any game plan the coach had can be destroyed.
Our biggest weakness has been our playing stocks - what can a coach do if their is no small defender on the list who is worth a place in the team? Kingy was shown up against taller marking forwards, Bowden for playing off his direct opponent, Raines for running in straight lines out of defence and McMahon for his strength. As a coach who do you move onto a rampaging small forward when you haven't the cattle?
I believe TW has the smarts to show his expertise on game day from this point on. His ability as a tactian is probably best revealed against sides that sit around us and slightly above rather than well below or above. Against teams like Geelong which are good across the ground there is little tactics or game day coaching can do to stop them. Similarly, against weak sides it is hard to lose the game from the box.
Teams such as Hawthorn will be found out this year and drop down in the 8 because they won many games using a new defensive tactic or on individual brilliance. The tactic has now been dissected and will be found out and individual brilliance is hard to sustain. Teams such as Geelong are far more dangerous because they are so even and don't win using strategy but rather talent. Geelong wins mainly not because of Thomsons game day coaching but rather than ability of his players which is what mat073 is pointing out.
I think we will be an extremely difficult team to face over the next few years because we will have both the players and game-day coach but once again it all depends on how the club performs this year....
Stripes
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TW was recruited for as an excellent game day tactian, motivator and media manipulator. In fact Eade was considered for the position as he was seen in a similiar light but lacked the nouse infront of the journo's was was clearly needed to keep the 'hounds at bay'. In was common knowledge that Tiger supporters were both impatient and quick to turn on their coach which was why having media experience was essential for the position in 2004.
Terry has had little chance to show his game day ability because he has lacked the cattle to see plans through. Now that our stocks are rising and our talent more experience we will be on a more level pegging with most other teams which will enable TW to make the difference in games. TW has shown glimpses of his coaching ability using tactics such as what he used to beat the Crows rolling flood and the Hawks Zone.
Terry is at his best when he has an opposition tactic or strategy to break down. He found a way to keep Buddy nearly goalless which other clubs have since attempted to copy. Where he may have seemed to slip up is when individual matchups have failed but this is a laymans illusion as we can not see the broader picture. If one matchup is changed then it has implications all over the ground and any game plan the coach had can be destroyed.
Our biggest weakness has been our playing stocks - what can a coach do if their is no small defender on the list who is worth a place in the team? Kingy was shown up against taller marking forwards, Bowden for playing off his direct opponent, Raines for running in straight lines out of defence and McMahon for his strength. As a coach who do you move onto a rampaging small forward when you haven't the cattle?
I believe TW has the smarts to show his expertise on game day from this point on. His ability as a tactian is probably best revealed against sides that sit around us and slightly above rather than well below or above. Against teams like Geelong which are good across the ground there is little tactics or game day coaching can do to stop them. Similarly, against weak sides it is hard to lose the game from the box.
Teams such as Hawthorn will be found out this year and drop down in the 8 because they won many games using a new defensive tactic or on individual brilliance. The tactic has now been dissected and will be found out and individual brilliance is hard to sustain. Teams such as Geelong are far more dangerous because they are so even and don't win using strategy but rather talent. Geelong wins mainly not because of Thomsons game day coaching but rather than ability of his players which is what mat073 is pointing out.
I think we will be an extremely difficult team to face over the next few years because we will have both the players and game-day coach but once again it all depends on how the club performs this year....
Stripes
Well thought out and well said. I do believe you are correct.
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Nice post stripes, I'm a believer. :thumbsup
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Praise the lord Rodger! :P TW can make wine out of water too!;)
Stripes
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TW was recruited as an excellent game day tactian, motivator and media manipulator. In fact Eade was considered for the position as he was seen in a similiar light but lacked the nouse infront of the journo's that was clearly needed to keep the 'hounds at bay'. It was common knowledge that Tiger supporters were both impatient and quick to turn on their coach which was why having media experience was essential for the position in 2004.
Terry has had little chance to show his game day ability because he has lacked the cattle to see plans through. Now that our stocks are rising and our talent more experienced we will be on a more level pegging with most other teams which will enable TW to make the difference in games. TW has shown glimpses of his coaching ability using tactics such as what he used to beat the Crows rolling flood and the Hawks Zone.
Terry is at his best when he has an opposition tactic or strategy to break down. He found a way to keep Buddy nearly goalless which other clubs have since attempted to copy. Where he may have seemed to slip up is when individual matchups have failed but this is a laymans illusion as we can not see the broader picture. If one matchup is changed then it has implications all over the ground and any game plan the coach had can be destroyed.
Our biggest weakness has been our playing stocks - what can a coach do if their is no small defender on the list who is worth a place in the team? Kingy was shown up against taller marking forwards, Bowden for playing off his direct opponent, Raines for running in straight lines out of defence and McMahon for his strength. As a coach who do you move onto a rampaging small forward when you haven't the cattle?
I believe TW has the smarts to show his expertise on game day from this point on. His ability as a tactian is probably best revealed against sides that sit around us and slightly above rather than well below or above. Against teams like Geelong which are good across the ground there is little tactics or game day coaching can do to stop them. Similarly, against weak sides it is hard to lose the game from the box.
Teams such as Hawthorn will be found out this year and drop down in the 8 because they won many games using a new defensive tactic or on individual brilliance. The tactic has now been dissected and will be found out and individual brilliance is hard to sustain. Teams such as Geelong are far more dangerous because they are so even and don't win using strategy but rather talent. Geelong wins mainly not because of Thomsons game day coaching but rather than ability of his players which is what mat073 is pointing out.
I think we will be an extremely difficult team to face over the next few years because we will have both the players and game-day coach but once again it all depends on how the club performs this year....
Stripes
What do you think now Stripes! F@#king useless!!!!
Even you Stripes cannot defend what we saw tonight.