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Tiger trio's Torquay property dispute
Damian Barrett | February 09, 2009 12:00am
THREE Richmond players are plotting legal action against the club's former president Clinton Casey in disputed property deals.
Matthew Richardson, Nathan Brown and Kane Johnson yesterday met a barrister in the Melbourne CBD, seeking resolution on deals relating to Torquay properties bought from a Casey-controlled company.
The players claim they were promised financial returns that have not materialised.</p>
There has been a widely held belief in football that Richmond used the vast land holdings of Casey as a ploy to retain key players and lure others from opposition clubs, raising suggestions of breaches of salary cap.
Casey, Richmond president from 2000 to 2005, and the Tigers recently settled out of court a legal dispute involving former Tiger player Ben Holland.
Holland lodged documents in the Supreme Court claiming he was owed more than $500,000 after being promised by Casey a number of investment and business opportunities that he claimed were not delivered.
The Holland case carried potential salary cap ramifications for the Tigers.
Current Richmond president Gary March said last night the matter involving Richardson, Brown and Johnson did not have such implications.
"This is like a number of other player deals relating to third party property deals," March said.
"I don't see any issue. It is an issue the players are trying to resolve themselves, in relation to some property they own.
"There is definitely no salary cap related issue."
AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson said all football payments received by AFL-listed players needed to be declared.
"Any football payments must be disclosed to Ken Wood, the AFL's Total Player Payments Assurance and Advice manager, and if there have been arrangements involving football payments not previously disclosed, then Ken Wood will be taking it further," Anderson said last night.
While the Tigers are not officially involved in the legal considerations of Richardson, Brown and Johnson against their former president, they have been well briefed on developments.
It is understood last month had been identified as the time the players believed they would settle on the deals with Casey, but that a number of factors, including the worldwide economic downturn, had had a major impact on the value of the properties.
It is believed the Tigers players are advanced in their legal considerations against Casey.
"At the moment, it has got nothing to do with the club. If we need to get involved, we will get involved, but I don't think there is anything for us to get involved in," March said.
It is believed players and officials from other AFL clubs have also invested in land controlled by Casey-owned companies.
Casey and Richardson could not be contacted.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25033086-19742,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25033086-19742,00.html)
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thats one hell of a story, imho I cant see that if the club was involved the players wouldnt have waited until they retired before proceeding, the fact that they are proceeding now tells me we are clear as a club, the players knew the club wasnt involved and that its a private matter between them and our former president. hopefully it all works out for those involved.
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Who cares?
Damien Barrett anyone else ??? ::)
;D
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Damien Barrett
Well the title of this thread does mention rotting fish heads.
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Damien? Is that you?
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There has been a widely held belief in football that Richmond used the vast land holdings of Casey as a ploy to retain key players and lure others from opposition clubs, raising suggestions of breaches of salary cap.
This comment is bordering on libelous. At the least the club should impose a media blackout on this flogbag. He definitely has a very personal agenda with Richmond. >:(
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LOL RROFO :lol
It doesn't matter how many times poor idiot Barrett gets told there's no salary cap issue and the AFL gave the all clear at the time to these property deals he still has another snipe at the Club talking BS about talk of breaches :sleep ::). The writ has nothing to do with the RFC you moron.
Having said all that I'll be glad when all this is settled so we can finally move on from the Casey era.
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Former Richmond boss Clinton Casey denies salary cap breach
Damian Barrett | February 12, 2009
CLINTON Casey claims the action taken against him by three Richmond players is a "private issue" and not related to a breach of the salary cap.
As rival clubs expressed dismay at the revelations in Tuesday's Herald Sun that three Richmond players were plotting legal action over disputed property deals, the former club president refused to address whether he had guaranteed the players financial returns that had not materialised.
"I've spoken to the boys, it is a private issue with them and with me and some of the stuff we are doing, and if other people want to talk about it, that's fine, but really, it is a private issue and I am not going to be discussing it with you," Casey told the Herald Sun yesterday.
Asked whether the property deals struck with Matthew Richardson, Nathan Brown and Kane Johnson could be a breach of the AFL's salary cap rules, Casey said: "It has nothing to do with the salary cap, at all, and I know the (Richmond) president (Gary March) has already said that to you," Casey said.
Properties in a Casey-controlled resort in Torquay are at the centre of the Richmond players' action against Casey.
Richardson, Brown and Johnson claim they were promised financial returns on the properties that have not been realised.
The Tiger trio met a barrister on Monday to further explore their legal options against Casey.
Asked if he guaranteed returns to the players on the properties, Casey said: "I am not answering any questions, it is a private issue between me and the players; it is stuff that we are working on together and that is the end of the story."
It has been widely discussed in football circles that the vast land holdings of Casey, president of Richmond from 2000 to 2005, were used by the Tigers to retain key players and lure others, raising suggestions of salary cap breaches.
AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson would not comment on the matter when contacted yesterday, but told the Herald Sun on Tuesday:
"Any football payments must be disclosed to Ken Wood, the AFL's Total Player Payments Assurance and Advice manager, and if there have been arrangements involving football payments not previously disclosed, then Ken Wood will be taking it further."
The action between Casey and the players follows the out of court settling of a dispute involving former Tiger Ben Holland.
In documents lodged with the Supreme Court, Holland sought more than $500,000 from Casey and the club, claiming business and investment opportunities pledged in contract negotiations were not delivered.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25042106-19742,00.html
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KB said this morning Ken Woods of AFL needs to investigate the claims and knock this on the head.
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Then when it's cleared he needs to knock Barrett on the head.
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No one comments yet obsessed Barrett has to write another story about it most of which is just copying what he said the other day :sleep.
LOL @ "rival clubs expressed dismay" - clutching at imaginary straws again Damian :rollin. It's all above board, the AFL knows about these deals already and have so for years plus they've ticked them off, and every club has players deal away from the club. Geez you talk utter BS! :stupid
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It has been widely discussed in football circles that the vast land holdings of Casey, president of Richmond from 2000 to 2005, were used by the Tigers to retain key players and lure others, raising suggestions of salary cap breaches.
Second time he has used that exact quote.
Is it a case of the more times he says it the more it is true??
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What is Barretts problem with the club? ??? >:( At the moment every single article he writes about the Tigers is an attempt to bring down the Tigers. This attempt is the most vicious of all because it could potentially force the AFL to penialise us erhaps even to the extent in did to Carlton all those years ago.
I just want to know if he was bullied as a kid by a Tiger supporterm beaten up by the cheer squad one game, found at the bottom of the chicken poo pile or someother justification that has made him so bitter towards us to the point where he now seems obsessed with our demise.
I would like to meet the fellow and have a nice chat about his articles and help him get over his obsession...one way or another :whistle
Stripes
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I just want to know if he was bullied as a kid by a Tiger supporter, beaten up by the cheer squad one game,
Oh I really hope so.
found at the bottom of the chicken poo pile
It's his current residence.
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Second time he has used that exact quote.
Is it a case of the more times he says it the more it is true??
Exactly what it is Gracie.
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Someone on here a while ago mentioned that they thought Barrett was a Collingwood supporter. Does anyone know for a fact if this is true? I have had someone else suggest he follows the Kangaroos - just wondering?
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AFL probes Tigers' property dealings
Damian Barrett | February 18, 2009
THE AFL has opened an investigation into former Richmond president Clinton Casey's financial dealings with Tigers players.
After the Herald Sun last week revealed three senior Richmond players were considering legal options against Casey, the AFL's investigations manager Ken Wood decided to step in to analyse whether the issue constituted a breach of the club's salary cap.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou confirmed the league's football operations department was investigating the Tigers.
"It is a football operations issue," Demetriou said.
"If anything untoward was to come out of it, it would have to come before the (AFL) commission, and I would have to be one of the determinants of it.
"I don't know what's going on there, other than I do know Adrian (Anderson, AFL general manager football operations) and Ken are looking into it.
"Ken said he was obligated to look at it."
The Herald Sun last week revealed Matthew Richardson, Nathan Brown and Kane Johnson were plotting legal action against Casey over deals relating to Torquay properties bought from a Casey-controlled company.
The players claim they were promised financial returns that have not materialised.
"It is now with Adrian and Ken. I have no visibility on it, and I don't know where it is going to go," Demetriou said.
"I am on the (AFL) commission, and if it ever comes across the commission table, I have to distance myself from it."
It has been widely discussed in football circles that the vast land holdings of Casey, president of Richmond from 2000 to 2005, were used by the Tigers to retain key players and lure others, raising suggestions of salary cap breaches.
Casey last week denied the deals with the three players constituted a breach of the salary cap.
He said the matter was a "private issue".
Richmond president Gary March also was confident the club was not exposed to a salary cap infringement.
"This is like a number of other player deals relating to third party property deals," March said.
"It is an issue the players are trying to resolve themselves, in relation to some property they own."
The action by the three Tigers against Casey comes recently after the club settled out of court a dispute involving former player Ben Holland.
Documents lodged in the Supreme Court revealed Holland was seeking more than $500,000 from Casey and the club, claiming investment and business opportunities, pledged in contract negotiations, were not delivered.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25070688-19742,00.html
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It has been widely discussed in football circles that the vast land holdings of Casey, president of Richmond from 2000 to 2005, were used by the Tigers to retain key players and lure others, raising suggestions of salary cap breaches.
Yep so widely discussed that Barrett you're the only one in the media talking about it and have used the same emotive language and unsubstanciated paragraph in your last 3 articles as though it is fact ::) :banghead.
I won't be holding my breath that Barrett will be the journo who writes the story that the RFC has been cleared of any wrongdoings. Head back to the gutter Barrett where you belong :sleep.
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Someone on here a while ago mentioned that they thought Barrett was a Collingwood supporter. Does anyone know for a fact if this is true? I have had someone else suggest he follows the Kangaroos - just wondering?
I believe Barrett follows the Roos. There's even some conspiracy talk that this is a sort of payback for Caro's negative stories about North when all that Gold Coast drama was happening.
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I thought this had been investigated ages ago anyway.
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I believe Barrett follows the Roos. There's even some conspiracy talk that this is a sort of payback for Caro's negative stories about North when all that Gold Coast drama was happening.
Good luck to him with that and his 17,000 members.
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:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep
:nopity :nopity :nopity
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I thought this had been investigated ages ago anyway.
the afl has been there and done that, nothing in this.
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Greg Denham when asked about this says he "has no idea what is going on."
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Here is the next thing this twit will write.
Kayne Pettifer subway deal goes sour
Day me ann Carrot | 19th February 2009
It has come to my attention that Richmond AFL player Kayne Pettifer is currently in discussions with multi-national sandwich giant, Subway over an alleged dispute about Cheese not being included in his ordered sub when promised. Pettifer claims that he requested cheese on his sub only to find when he returned home to eat said sandwich that there was actually no cheese on the sub at all.
As the highly acclaimed investigative sports journalist that I am, I decided to do some digging and under the AFL salary cap regulations, section 16, sub paragraph 4, It may be construed that cheese may in fact be a fringe benefit and therefore a potential salary cap breech. As we all know, Salary cap breeches are always serious no matter the circumstances and if Subway were to compensate Kayne on his next visit, then this gratuity of extra cheese if not declared could potentially put the Richmond Football Clubs future in Jeopardy.
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:rollin
Sounds like Petts is in a pickle tiga .... boom tish ;D. LOL at "Day me ann Carrot" :lol
You should try attempting to tell idiot opposition supporters on BF there's nothing in this. All you get is "It's in the paper and being investigated by AFL so there must be something fishy" ::) :sleep.
I'm told the RFC asked for the investigation to clear all this innuendo over these property deals as the writ doesn't involve the RFC. Blaisee or WP, is that right?
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Dermott Brereton in Casey row
Craig Hutchison | February 22, 2009
ANOTHER high-profile football figure has emerged in the dispute between three Richmond stars and former president Clinton Casey.
It's understood former Hawk Dermott Brereton is also in dispute with the Casey group over his property in the Torquay development.
A friend of the Caseys, Brereton is also challenging the scenario surrounding his investment.
The five-time premiership star was guarded yesterday about his plight or that of the Tigers.
"I've got no comment to make other than it's a fantastic development," he said. Casey could not be contacted.
The Herald Sun revealed this month that Tigers Matthew Richardson, Nathan Brown and Kane Johnson were seeking legal advice over their investments.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25087166-19742,00.html
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There was no issue anyway but this should convince the AFL for a 3rd time that these property deals had nothing to do with the RFC.
I see Hutchy wrote this article. Nothing to bash Richmond over for Barrett to do it ::).
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I'm told the RFC asked for the investigation to clear all this innuendo over these property deals as the writ doesn't involve the RFC. Blaisee or WP, is that right?
Dont' know MT
I'll be honest I haven't paid much attention to this "story".
That's probably because it was written by Damien "I'm a doctor, Psychologist, financial expert and anything else but a journalist" Barrett
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I'm told the RFC asked for the investigation to clear all this innuendo over these property deals as the writ doesn't involve the RFC. Blaisee or WP, is that right?
Dont' know MT
I'll be honest I haven't paid much attention to this "story".
That's probably because it was written by Damien "I'm a doctor, Psychologist, financial expert and anything else but a journalist" Barrett
A man of many non-talents ;D
No worries WP. If true I was going to use it to stick it up a couple of opposition supporters who were frothing in the mouth over this but I ended up shutting them up anyway lol.
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:rollin
I'm told the RFC asked for the investigation to clear all this innuendo over these property deals as the writ doesn't involve the RFC. Blaisee or WP, is that right?
yes mt this is indeed correct
This issue was resloved between the afl and rfc years ago. Its between casey and the players now.
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:rollin
I'm told the RFC asked for the investigation to clear all this innuendo over these property deals as the writ doesn't involve the RFC. Blaisee or WP, is that right?
yes mt this is indeed correct
This issue was resloved between the afl and rfc years ago. Its between casey and the players now.
Cheers blaisee :cheers.
So that's another important fact Barrett the croney left out ::).
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Tiger trio give Clinton Casey ultimatum
Damian Barrett | April 08, 2009
FORMER Richmond president Clinton Casey has been given just weeks to settle claims by high profile players.
Richmond stars Nathan Brown, Matthew Richardson and Kane Johnson have told Casey they will take him to court next month if he fails to meet their demands that total at least $300,000, and could be much higher.
Each is seeking at least $100,000 from Casey and last week, via heavy legal representation, gave him the ultimatum: pay us by mid-May or we'll see you in court.
There has been a widely held belief in football that Casey's dealings with Richmond players breached salary cap rules.
Casey-controlled companies include vast land holdings around Melbourne, which, according to rival clubs, were used by the Tigers in contract negotiations.
AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson said last night investigations manager Ken Wood was continuing to probe the dealings.
"Ken has been looking in to it and he has not finalised those inquiries," Anderson said.
The pursuit of the six-figure sums by Richardson, Brown and Johnson came after Casey missed a December 31, 2008 deadline on settling the deals, which involve property at a Torquay resort.
It is believed each of the players had invested six-figure amounts in the resort.
Recourse is also being sought by the players on other matters relating to perceived agreements made with Casey, president of Richmond from 2000 to 2005, a period when Richardson renegotiated a contract and Brown and Johnson were recruited from the Western Bulldogs and Adelaide respectively.
"This is red hot," a senior AFL club official said.
Richardson, Brown and Johnson have informed Casey they will issue individual writs, lodged with either the Supreme Court or County Court, if their demands are not met.
The players claim promised financial returns from their investments in a resort run by Casey have not materialised.
Casey, and Richmond, only recently settled out of court a dispute involving another ex-player, Ben Holland.
Holland gained the confidential settlement, believed to be more than $100,000, after lodging documents with the Supreme Court seeking $530,000 from business and investment opportunities that he claimed were not delivered.
His case also carried salary cap ramifications.
When contacted in late February about the Brown, Richardson and Johnson matter, Casey denied the Tigers' salary cap had been rorted.
"I've spoken to the boys, it is a private issue with them and with me . . . If other people want to talk about it, that's fine, but really it is a private issue and I am not going to be discussing it with you," Casey said.
Casey could not be contacted for comment on the latest demands last night.
The AFL decided to investigate after the Herald Sun revealed in February the players were considering their legal options against Casey.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25305707-19742,00.html
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Tiger trio give Clinton Casey ultimatum
Damian Barrett | April 08, 2009
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There has been a widely held belief in football that Casey's dealings with Richmond players breached salary cap rules.
I make that 4 times in different articles this biased wanker has included this exact comment. Say it often enough and they shall believe, hey Damien?
"This is red hot," a senior AFL club official said.
This one line sums up the intent and character of the author. A journalist who stops to this gutter level of factual reporting is not a journalist at all. He is nothing but a self-serving opinionated tool with a big chip on his shoulder.
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"This is red hot," a senior AFL club official said.
Maybe to Damien
To the rest of us it's :sleep :sleep :sleep
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"This is red hot," a senior AFL club official said.
Maybe to Damien
To the rest of us it's :sleep :sleep :sleep
so if there is a chance we will lose our draft concessions i wonder if you will be feeling the same way WP.
We call the blues cheats etc etc etc but if we end up breaching the salary cap then id hate to think what it would do to our club.
can anyone tell me categorically that it wont happen? Who knows!!
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"This is red hot," a senior AFL club official said.
Maybe to Damien
To the rest of us it's :sleep :sleep :sleep
so if there is a chance we will lose our draft concessions i wonder if you will be feeling the same way WP.
We call the blues cheats etc etc etc but if we end up breaching the salary cap then id hate to think what it would do to our club.
can anyone tell me categorically that it wont happen? Who knows!!
God you're full of it.
:wallywink
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"This is red hot," a senior AFL club official said.
Maybe to Damien
To the rest of us it's :sleep :sleep :sleep
so if there is a chance we will lose our draft concessions i wonder if you will be feeling the same way WP.
We call the blues cheats etc etc etc but if we end up breaching the salary cap then id hate to think what it would do to our club.
can anyone tell me categorically that it wont happen? Who knows!!
God you're full of it.
:wallywink
yeah i am and you love it
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The AFL decided to investigate after the Herald Sun revealed in February the players were considering their legal options against Casey
So Damian what was the outcome of that investigation????
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Slightly concerning IMO.
The last thing our club needs is this.
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I don't see the problem here, Casey just gave them first access to buy property in his development before they went onto the market to the public, allowing them to pick the best ones. There's nothing about him selling them to the players at below market value, more that there was a guaranteed return investment return as part of the contract. These returns are pretty standard for new developments these days and are often built into the price. This wouldn't have been an issue had the global financial crisis hit the property market.
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so if there is a chance we will lose our draft concessions i wonder if you will be feeling the same way WP.
We call the blues cheats etc etc etc but if we end up breaching the salary cap then id hate to think what it would do to our club.
can anyone tell me categorically that it wont happen? Who knows!!
daniel, dont be blinded by Damien Barrett's vindictive tirades against our Club.
the reason I find it boring and I am not worried is:
1/ This is a Damien Barrett article
2/ Refer to:
I'm told the RFC asked for the investigation to clear all this innuendo over these property deals as the writ doesn't involve the RFC. Blaisee or WP, is that right?
yes mt this is indeed correct
This issue was resloved between the afl and rfc years ago. Its between casey and the players now.
We are talking about something that goes back what over 4 years?
Our salary cap has been signed off every year by the AFL
Actually they have been signed off by one Ken Wood, the same Ken Wood who is currently supposed to be investigating us now. IIRC this was checked an cleared previously .. so why wouldn't it be cleared this time round
3/ As for another "senior club official" claiming it's "red hot" - name names or "nick off'.
4/ I go back to point 1. This is something written by one Damien Barrett who's apparent campaign since late 2008 and so far in 2009 has been to write pathetic vindictive and non-accurate articles about the RFC. Even you Daniel have said the bloke is "knob" (actually you used someother words but I trying not swear but it ends in "wit") so why would you want to take any notice of what he has written?
When Barrett starts writing balanced but more importantly accurate articles with facts rather than innuendo I'll pay attention until then it's :sleep :sleep for me
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I stopped reading after seeing Boris the chook was the author :sleep. Funny how no other journo, not even Hutchy, is touching this non issue for the RFC. Barrett just throwing his dummy out of the cot again :sleep. Where's your article bagging your own club today chooky? ::)
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I stopped reading after seeing Boris the chook was the author :sleep. Funny how no other journo, not even Hutchy, is touching this non issue for the RFC. Barrett just throwing his dummy out of the cot again :sleep. Where's your article bagging your own club today chooky? ::)
Damian was the rubber chooky hence no article was written on them. :rollin
He's still trying to lay an egg. :lol
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so who is the official from which club that thinks that this is "red hot", this bloke is :wallywink
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Since when has any INVESTMENT of this type - being property development had a Guaranteed profit? Investment always has risk, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, whether its the stock market or property prices or collecting stamps lol ...its dependent on market conditions, supply and demand, and in the case of property, it requires a buyer to love your property - especially if you want a premium price. Or is this wrong?
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Since when has any INVESTMENT of this type - being property development had a Guaranteed profit? Investment always has risk, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, whether its the stock market or property prices or collecting stamps lol ...its dependent on market conditions, supply and demand, and in the case of property, it requires a buyer to love your property - especially if you want a premium price. Or is this wrong?
Not related to this but some developers mention specific rental returns when selling new estates. I guess it still is buyer beware but may be if these returns are never realised then the buyer can take legal action against the developer for false promises. In any case this has nothing to do with the RFC so Barrett harping on about our salary cap in every article he writes about this is a load of crap.
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I couldn't find this on the net so I typed it in.
Casey set to settle
By Craig Hutchison, additional reporting Julian Bayard
Sunday Herald-Sun
06 MAR 2011, Page 70
THE legal battle between former Richmond president Clinton Casey and ex-Tigers Matthew Richardson, Nathan Brown and Kane Johnson appears to be over.
The former players have been in dispute over a property deal signed when Casey was president at the club.
It is understood Casey has agreed to a settlement with each player, believed to be in excess of six figures.
When contacted, Richardson said the issue was private and refused to make any comment.
The long-running saga has been investigated by both the club and the AFL.
Several clubs raised concerns over the deal's potential salary-cap breaches.
It is understood the AFL notified Richmond there hadn't been any breach of salary cap rules in regards to the dealings.
AFL investigations manager Ken Wood scrutinised the deal closely in 2009.
The pursuit of the six-figure sums by Richardson, Brown and Johnson came after the players were involved in investments in a Casey-owned Torquay resort.
Casey was president of Richmond from 2000-05.
Brown and Johnson could not be contacted.