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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 04, 2009, 06:46:32 PM
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Inside Richmond
Inside Football, March 4, 2009
The Tigers' Best 22
B: Moore Thursfield Raines
HB: Newman McGuane Bowden
C: McMahon Tuck Deledio
HF: Cousins Richardson Cotchin
F: Morton Riewoldt Brown
R: Simmonds Foley Coughlan
Int: Tambling, Johnson, Pattison, Thomson
Player Rankings (change since last year ---- new = not ranked last year, blank = unchanged)
1. MATTHEW RICHARDSON
2. BRETT DELEDIO +2
3. NATHAN FOLEY
4. NATHAN BROWN -2
5. JOEL BOWDEN +1
6. TROY SIMMONDS -1
7. BEN COUSINS new
8. SHANE TUCK
9. CHRIS NEWMAN +3
10. KANE JOHNSON +13
11. TRENT COTCHIN new
12. WILL THURSFIELD +3
13. ANDREW RAINES -2
14. LUKE McGUANE +8
15. JORDAN McMAHON -1
16. KELVIN MOORE +12
17. MITCH MORTON +1
18. RICHARD TAMBLING -1
19. ADAM PATTISON +6
20. JACK RIEWOLDT +4
21. ADAM THOMSON new
22. MARK COUGHLAN -13
23. KAYNE PETTIFER -13
24. SHANE EDWARDS -4
25. JAY SCHULZ -6
26. DANIEL CONNORS -5
27. JAKE KING -14
28. DANIEL JACKSON -2
29. CLEVE HUGHES +1
30. MATT WHITE +2
31. DEAN POLO
32. TOM HISLOP new
33. JARRAD OAKLEY-NICHOLLS
34. ANGUS GRAHAM -5
35. GRAHAM POLAK (lnj.) -28
Who's Flying!
Luke McGuane - watch him go this year
Andrew Raines - as good as new
Richard Tambling - burning on the track
Who's Not!
Trent Cotchin - that pesky achilles
Mark Coughlan - ditto the knees
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Thomson did alright against Collingwood but not sure how he could yet be included in our best 22. Whitey is a bit stiff.
If that player rankings is based on 2008 then Tucky should be around 4th IMO.
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Not sure who did these rankings.....Some strange selections.
I believe Moore (16) is more important to us now than Thursfield (12) and McGuane (14).However these guys all rock.
Kane Johnson jumping 13 spots to be number 10 this year?????????
Brown (4) Bowden (5) Ahead of Tuck.Im with you MT, Tuck is now Top 4.
Pettifer(23) about 10 spots too high for me.Matt White (30) 10 spots too low.
Cogs(22) hasn't played for two and a half years.With this logic-Cousins should be in our top 2.
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Tambling ahead of Riewoldt? Not sure about that.
Hughes ahead of King? Not sure though i hope Cleve comes good.
Overall it is more or less accurate though when was the last time Ben Cousins found himself 7th on any list?
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It has me stuffed, two players in Jackson and White should be at least five places up
Thompson is too high as an unproven and Johnson up 13 places :o, no way
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Look at that HF line. Cotchin, the best teenager in the league, Richo a Tiger legend and the best marker and battler of them all and Cousins who may well be the best footballer in Australia if he is up, fit and firing.
Tigerland has stars again.
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It has me stuffed, two players in Jackson and White should be at least five places up
Watching Jackson is like watching Straunchie run around in the Legends game! I think 28 is flatering!!
But i do agree that little Whitey should be up the list a little/lot.
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Look at that HF line. Cotchin, the best teenager in the league, Richo a Tiger legend and the best marker and battler of them all and Cousins who may well be the best footballer in Australia if he is up, fit and firing.
Tigerland has stars again.
Yes we do. :thumbsup
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Brown, Bowden, Cogs, Pettifier, Cousins and Raines should be much lower on the list. Matty White should be well up the list and Gus should be well above JON!
Bowden and Brown are still good players but no longer in our top 5. Pettifier and Cogs have done nothing on the field for us for quiet some time so on performance alone they should be low on the list.
Raines had a very ordinary 2008 with performance and then injury so likewise should be further down IMHO.
Cousins, Thomson and Hislop have not played a game for us in the H&A season so they must be rated according to previous club performance...but 7 is still a little high for me for Cuzz given the hurdles he has, and will need to still, jump to remain competitive on the field.
I rate Simmonds in our top 3 on importance alone.
Stripes
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Its not often I disagree with you Stripes but to say Raines was ordinary in 2008 after only playing 1 and a half games is a bit harsh.
Do agree that Bowden & Brown no longer top 5,however probably still Top 10 IMHO.
It appears Inside football is basing the rankings on reputation rather than reality.
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Its not often I disagree with you Stripes but to say Raines was ordinary in 2008 after only playing 1 and a half games is a bit harsh.
Do agree that Bowden & Brown no longer top 5,however probably still Top 10 IMHO.
It appears Inside football is basing the rankings on reputation rather than reality.
Agreed.
Though my judgement on Raines was less so on his form but rather on the amount of time he was on the park last year. How can he be rated so highly when he didn't play enough games to be judged by especially when there are other players who did play throughout the season who are far below him...
I also agree that reputation obviously played a big part in the rankings which makes me suspect someone how knows little about the list made the final call.
Stripes
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Yep, blows the mind how Raines can be higher than Moore,Thursfield and McGuane.
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It's not easy to do a whole list ranking :-\
1. Richo
2. Lids
3. Foley
4. Tuck
5. Simmo
6. Moore
7. Brown
8. Cotchin
9. Cousins
10. Newy
11. Bowden
12. Johnson
13. McGuane
14. Thursty
15. Morton
16. McMahon
17. Riewoldt
18. Tambling
19. White
20. Edwards
21. Jackson
22. Coughlan - higher if not injured but probably still in our 22 if he was fit.
23. Raines
24. Polo
25. Hughes
26. Connors
27. Schulz
28. Thomson
29. Graham
30. Patto
31. Petts
32. King
33. Hislop
34. JON
35. Collins
36. Polak (inj. indefinitely)
Rest (2 years or less non-debutants & rookies): Rance, Putt, Vickery, Post, Gourdis, Silvester, Nahas, Browne, Gilligan
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I like that one a whole lot better MT :thumbsup
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I would have Schulz above Cleve now MT.
At least Jay can play forward and back...where as our bald friend is a one trick pony.
Does anyone know why he shaved his head ?
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I would have Schulz above Cleve now MT.
At least Jay can play forward and back...where as our bald friend is a one trick pony.
Fair enough comment at this stage. I found Cleve, Sarge and Connors the hardest ones to judge. Daniel on talent is top 20 but he's yet to find consistency beit injury or attitude. I had Cleve ahead of Sarge based on age (younger). Hard to split them. Both have had their 6 goal haul to tease us but nothing much else to show off otherwise.
Does anyone know why he shaved his head ?
For charity. Not sure if it was the bushfire or cancer appeal.
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Good list MT and certainly more accurate than IF.
Only one I disagree with is Schulz. In the 22 or thereabouts IMO.
The list certainly looks stronger in this exercise.
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I still think we should persist with Hughes for a couple of seasons yet, Schulz is still 2 years older than him and 2 years ago wasn't rated very highly by the Richmond Fans. Most talls genuinely take this long to fully develop and Hughes has clearly been having injury issues the past couple of seasons.
Its pretty hard to throw your body into a pack of players when you keep getting hurt, once he can do it repeatedly and maintain full fitness afterwards, then his confidence in his body will grow. Schulz was kinda similar in this regard, he'd throw himself into a contest but would still get injurred in other ways, more long term injuries which stifle their development.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure both of these guys could have worked harder and done more, but with our need for some solid bodies up forward, we need to give them both a proper go for a good season or two more. Riewoldt & Vickery aren't ready for being full time forwards just yet, you'd break them.
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I still think we should persist with Hughes for a couple of seasons yet, Schulz is still 2 years older than him and 2 years ago wasn't rated very highly by the Richmond Fans. Most talls genuinely take this long to fully develop and Hughes has clearly been having injury issues the past couple of seasons.
Yes he should be persisted with but I am not too sure what sort of a go he will get this year with Wallace needing performing players to save his job. If Schulz is seen more able to perform immediately Hughes may not be given a go until 2010, unless of course his performance at Coburg demands it.
Its pretty hard to throw your body into a pack of players when you keep getting hurt, once he can do it repeatedly and maintain full fitness afterwards, then his confidence in his body will grow. Schulz was kinda similar in this regard, he'd throw himself into a contest but would still get injurred in other ways, more long term injuries which stifle their development.
They are two contrasting players too compare in this regard, you would say about Hughes why dont you get in there and have a go while with Schulz you would say WTF are you doing throwing your body in like that, you'll end up stretchered.
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Good list MT and certainly more accurate than IF.
Only one I disagree with is Schulz. In the 22 or thereabouts IMO.
The list certainly looks stronger in this exercise.
After a bit more of a think and remembering Sarge played 18 games last year I think you Magic and mat a probably right to have Sarge a bit higher on the list than I did. Yeah perhaps around 22 (just above Cogs) is fair enough. I still believe he is on the fringes though as he was used as a spare parts man last year down back and up forward. Sarge needs to cement his spot in the 22 this year as he's already been given a second chance after coming within a whisker of being traded to Port 18 months ago.
I'll also stick up for Cleve a bit along the lines Infamy was talking about about. That's not to say Clever needs to do far more up forward than just being a dime a dozen mark and kick forward but he has only been in the system for 3 years and some talls can take longer to develop and mentally click. Even Fev took until his 5th year to have his breakout year while Mooney took until his 9th as a forward :o.
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After a bit more of a think and remembering Sarge played 18 games last year I think you Magic and mat a probably right to have Sarge a bit higher on the list than I did. Yeah perhaps around 22 (just above Cogs) is fair enough. I still believe he is on the fringes though as he was used as a spare parts man last year down back and up forward. Sarge needs to cement his spot in the 22 this year as he's already been given a second chance after coming within a whisker of being traded to Port 18 months ago.
I'll also stick up for Cleve a bit along the lines Infamy was talking about about. That's not to say Clever needs to do far more up forward than just being a dime a dozen mark and kick forward but he has only been in the system for 3 years and some talls can take longer to develop and mentally click. Even Fev took until his 5th year to have his breakout year while Mooney took until his 9th as a forward :o.
Glad you can see a little more of Jay's value MT. 8)
I am not by any stretch saying he's perfect but he's useful despite what his critics believe.
Sarge has always had plenty of skill.
What he's largely lacked probably up until last season (before the Port trade threat), is some application & fitnesss.
He got a lot fitter last year and his results improved considerably.
Like his good mate Kel, I still have hope he's a late maturer and can still get even better.
Alternatively I have no confidence Hughes will make it. None.
In fact I will go so far as to say I will be amazed if he is on the list beyond this season.
Reason being?? Simple.
I just don't see the required fire in the belly to make it. He's a pretty boy.
Also unlike Schulz I don't really see Cleave has much of a game outside the mrk/kick. One dimensional forward from a time long passed by.
They are two contrasting players too compare in this regard, you would say about Hughes why dont you get in there and have a go while with Schulz you would say WTF are you doing throwing your body in like that, you'll end up stretchered.
Great post Chuck.
That right there says it all.
No one would ever accuse Sarge of being soft.
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:gotigers
With this being the split rd and we have 13 days to wait until we face the music against the Saints.....I thought we could have a little fun and review our lists. :thumbsup
Its funny what a difference 3 months can make ....... :whistle :banghead
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So after Round 12 my list is.........
1) Richo
2) Cuz
3) Deledio
4) Foley
5) Cotchin
6) Tambling
7) Jackson
8) Tuck.....stats look good but doesn't hurt teams
9) Morton.....number one forward now.
10) McGaune
11) Polo
12) Graham
13) Newman
14) Bowden....was playing decent enough footy-but understand he is not the future.
15) Riewoldt
16) Nahas.....more important to us now than N.Brown.
17) Rance
18) Moore....playing injured I hope.
19) Collins
20) Brown....needs a big second half of the season to stay on list.
21) Thursfield
22) White
23) Cogs
24) Pattison
25) Edwards
26) Hislop
27) Vickery....Hopefully in 4 years he will be in the top 5
After this I start to struggle as Im judging players who I haven't seen before(Thomson) or players I hope never play another senior game.