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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 11, 2009, 01:43:31 AM
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Key Richmond pair likely to miss early matches
Michael Gleeson | March 11, 2009
WHILE Richmond has thrilled to the arrival of Ben Cousins, the stargazing has overshadowed the significant early season absences of two similarly crucial players.
Rising midfield star Trent Cotchin is battling to overcome an Achilles injury and is unlikely to play for the senior side before round eight.
Cotchin (and Johnson) are likely to return through the VFL.
The Cotchin injury has been the more difficult for the Tigers for not only does it concern one of their most important midfield players, it has been a difficult injury in measuring rehabilitation times.
The Tigers hope Cotchin will available for the VFL side by about round three or four and play two or three games before being available for the seniors.
"It's very difficult to be definitive with Trent's injury," Richmond football operations manager Ross Monaghan said. "It's really a matter of how his body responds to training.
"It seems to have been a case of a couple of steps forward, one step sideways. So we will see how he goes from here but all indications are that we would hope he is available for the VFL side by about round three or four then probably have a few in the VFL … But it is still very difficult to be definitive."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/tiger-pair-likely-absentees/2009/03/10/1236447218141.html
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The most exciting young talent to walk through the doors in years and he's lame.
What is that now 4 or 5 months since he's run?
Bloody hell. :( :( :(
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In a few years time all this Achilles stuff will be ancient history. He'll be 21 and starting to fire on all cylinders and we will all be sitting back and basking in the glory.
It is damn frustrating though I'll give you that.
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Should never have been allowed to train so heavily away from the club.
Ridiculous..
It's very frustrating....
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In a few years time all this Achilles stuff will be ancient history.
I certainly hope you're right..
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Does this make Cotch a nine year player for us now :-\
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Cotch is still not doing anything at training. Not even any running :-\.
Sounds like a repeat of last year where he didn't come into the senior side until the first Geelong game in round 9. As long as when he does come back he's right to go then that's the main thing. He's only 18.
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Cotchin still sidelined by troublesome achilles
richmondfc.com.au
By Luke Holmesby
4:04 PM Wed 11 March, 2009
EXCITING Richmond teenager Trent Cotchin says over-eagerness at training was the main cause of the achilles injury that has sidelined him for the start of the home-and-away season.
Midfielder Cotchin is not expected to play football at any level until at least round three after battling for much of the summer with the injury in his left leg.
After being taken by the Tigers as the No.2 pick overall in the 2007 NAB AFL Draft, this is Cotchin’s second interrupted pre-season, after his right achilles kept him out of football until round eight last year.
“I think the injury I had (last year) needs routine and probably two or three runs a week. I was doing four or five at times in the off-season.,” he said.
“That’s probably where it’s come from and it’s my fault and I’ve learnt that now. I won’t be doing that in another off-season anymore.”
Cotchin said the injury first flared in a beach run in the first week of the pre-season and that he did not manage his body well when he experienced soreness in the area before Christmas.
“They were a little bit precautious and took me back but it just got worse and worse. I tried to run in early January and got sore again,” he said.
“I’ve done a lot of strength work since December and feel really strong through the legs - it’s just the matter of the tendon coping with the load.”
The 18-year-old says he has still managed to build his fitness base, despite being sidelined. After a late start to his debut season in 2008, Cotchin still managed to play the last 15 games.
‘I was pretty positive when it (the injury) first happened, thinking I’m probably ahead of last year, and it is the opposite leg and hopefully won’t take long,” he said.
“I’ve learnt from last year but to keep on getting setbacks has been quite frustrating. There’s a lot of frustration in the game and I’m just trying to cope as best I can.
“Last year in the off-season I was on crutches, so I’ve got a fair base behind me. The training I have been doing I’ve got a fair bit of confidence in.
"You’d much prefer to be running but I feel I will be able to cope pretty well. I seem to pick up the pace of the game reasonably quickly so, once I get three or four matches under my belt, that will be the match fitness I need.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/73085/default.aspx
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Should never have been allowed to train so heavily away from the club.
Ridiculous..
It's very frustrating....
Kids in the system can't win, they're critisised if they are not doing enough and critisised if they do too much, gimme a break
Luke Hodge had plenty of injury troubles in his first few years too, don't think people are too concerned about that now
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On the bright side Cotch can be our secret weapon we can unleash mid year.Just hope we are in the mix when he is ready to go.
Based on last year this kid doesn't need much of a pre season to be a star.
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On the bright side Cotch can be our secret weapon we can unleash mid year.Just hope we are in the mix when he is ready to go.
Based on last year this kid doesn't need much of a pre season to be a star.
your positive thoughts are great for footy, but the RFC have not got a clue how to manage footballers.
This is our most prized recruit in decades and he roams around doing his own thing, and TW and his croonies stand by and watch him train on his own.
He should have been wrapped up in cotton wool and allowed to train ONLY on instruction.
From Round 2 return to now Round 8.
Dont kid yourself he wont be back in 10 weeks.
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your positive thoughts are great for footy, but the RFC have not got a clue how to manage footballers.
This is our most prized recruit in decades and he roams around doing his own thing, and TW and his croonies stand by and watch him train on his own.
He should have been wrapped up in cotton wool and allowed to train ONLY on instruction.
Give me a break - they stood by and let him do it. They cannot watch them 24 hours a day 7 days a week
He went off along with a couple of others (Jack Reiwodlt was one IIRC) and they trained by themselves and this is the club fault ???
What were the Club supposed to do?
Lock them a house for 8 weeks and only let them out on lead for walk him when they can by to check on them?
How do you know that he wasn't given instructions on what to do and what not to do and he didn't follow them.
You know maybe he did a bit of training the achilles felt OK so he stepped it up a bit.
He even says as much in the article:
"That’s probably where it’s come from and it’s my fault and I’ve learnt that now. I won’t be doing that in another off-season anymore".
Nah it couldn't have happened like that could it ::)
:thumbsup
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and TW and his croonies stand by
Does TW have a bunch of 70's singers following him around
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your positive thoughts are great for footy, but the RFC have not got a clue how to manage footballers.
This is our most prized recruit in decades and he roams around doing his own thing, and TW and his croonies stand by and watch him train on his own.
He should have been wrapped up in cotton wool and allowed to train ONLY on instruction.
Give me a break - they stood by and let him do it. They cannot watch them 24 hours a day 7 days a week
He went off along with a couple of others (Jack Reiwodlt was one IIRC) and they trained by themselves and this is the club fault ???
What were the Club supposed to do?
Lock them a house for 8 weeks and only let them out on lead for walk him when they can by to check on them?
How do you know that he wasn't given instructions on what to do and what not to do and he didn't follow them.
You know maybe he did a bit of training the achilles felt OK so he stepped it up a bit.
He even says as much in the article:
"That’s probably where it’s come from and it’s my fault and I’ve learnt that now. I won’t be doing that in another off-season anymore".
Nah it couldn't have happened like that could it ::)
:thumbsup
Typical excuses i have come to expect
lets hope it doesn't end up like Cogs. Gee the club really managed him well didn't they?
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Typical excuses i have come to expect
lets hope it doesn't end up like Cogs. Gee the club really managed him well didn't they?
Cogs :o - 2 knee reco's and that's the club's fault too. Exactly what was the problem with the way they handled him?
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lets hope it doesn't end up like Cogs.
Yeh,let's hope he doesn't end up having to have 2 knee reconstructions because the club allowed him to train on his own.......
Gee the club really managed him well didn't they?
Yes,they should have cryogenized Mark and thawed him out once the ligaments had completely healed......Oh well,you live and learn!
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“I’ve done a lot of strength work since December and feel really strong through the legs - it’s just the matter of the tendon coping with the load.”
I'll try not to be too melodramatic but this is the part of this article that really concerns me. :(
This isn't exactly a common complaint.
I don't think I have ever heard of such a young player having problems with both their achilles tendons such as Trent is having. Groins & hammies yes but the achilles? He had an identical injury last season so it's obviously a chronic problem(at this stage anyway).
I just pray to the heavens that this is not a problem with his lower legs that will continue to haunt him later on no matter how many assurances I read from the club.
The facts are he hasn't run for 5 months and still isn't running, now they are talking another 4 months before he plays? Maybe?
Bloody hell. :help
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“I’ve done a lot of strength work since December and feel really strong through the legs - it’s just the matter of the tendon coping with the load.”
I'll try not to be too melodramatic but this is the part of this article that really concerns me. :(
This isn't exactly a common complaint.
I don't think I have ever heard of such a young player having problems with both their achilles tendons such as Trent is having. Groins & hammies yes but the achilles? He had an identical injury last season so it's obviously a chronic problem(at this stage anyway).
I just pray to the heavens that this is not a problem with his lower legs that will continue to haunt him later on no matter how many assurances I read from the club.
The facts are he hasn't run for 5 months and still isn't running, now they are talking another 4 months before he plays? Maybe?
Bloody hell. :help
thank god a realist. Expect cotch to not to play this year.
Not comforting at all that he hasn't run in 4 or 5 months.
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Forget about what the club is saying what about all the other experts that have said the same thing - you know the ones from the AIS, VIS etc
They cannot all be so wrong can they
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“I’ve done a lot of strength work since December and feel really strong through the legs - it’s just the matter of the tendon coping with the load.”
I'll try not to be too melodramatic but this is the part of this article that really concerns me. :(
This isn't exactly a common complaint.
I don't think I have ever heard of such a young player having problems with both their achilles tendons such as Trent is having. Groins & hammies yes but the achilles? He had an identical injury last season so it's obviously a chronic problem(at this stage anyway).
I just pray to the heavens that this is not a problem with his lower legs that will continue to haunt him later on no matter how many assurances I read from the club.
The facts are he hasn't run for 5 months and still isn't running, now they are talking another 4 months before he plays? Maybe?
Bloody hell. :help
It isn't chronic as it's the other leg to last year. He's had no problem with that one since. Cotch is also a freak that doesn't need a preseason to play AFL :bow. At least this time he has an AFL season behind him which he didn't have last year when he made his debut.
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f***ing h*ll!
like seriously, why our talented players go down!
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Sounds like it was self inflicted through being too eager...Whats done is done !
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cotch's injury is a real shame
hasnt run since november I am led to believe.
Hopefully a short term problem not a long term one
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It isn't chronic as it's the other leg to last year. He's had no problem with that one since.
Not chronic? :-\
Sorry MT but I see a pattern whether it's the same leg or not, it's the same injury. It's a pretty big strecth to call two achillies injuries a coincidence. As it stands he is having problems with his leg tendons so I'd say it is definitely a chronic injury.
I just hope like blazes he grows out of it/recovers sooner rather than later because despite what some are saying these are prime development years. A youngster shouldn't be having problems of this nature this early. :(
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This time last year.....
Cotchin on track for early return
Jon Ralph | March 11, 2008
RICHMOND'S No. 2 draft pick Trent Cotchin is just weeks from returning to football after a pre-season sitting on the sidelines with achilles soreness.
The highly-rated Cotchin took the first steps towards senior football on Friday when he ran for the first time as a Tiger after overcoming complications with a broken foot.
Now Richmond says he is on track for a return as early as Round 2 in the VFL, when Cotchin becomes eligible to play after being taken off the long-term injury list.
He will not be rushed into the seniors, but the news is a massive boost for the Tigers after speculation Cotchin might be put on ice for the entire season.
Rival recruiters said Cotchin was clearly the best midfielder in the 2007 draft.
The Tigers are building to full strength for their Round 1 clash with Carlton on Easter Thursday, when Richmond is determined to make a fast start against a Carlton side with Chris Judd making his Blues debut.
The Tigers have made a pre-season theme of derailing Carlton's momentum after a season of good vibes for the Blues.
Cotchin will need to build fitness, but football director Greg Miller said the club was buoyed by his progress.
"He ran on Friday and pulled up really well. He is progressing well and feeling really good. He has three or four weeks of preparation now before Round 2 in the VFL (Round 3 of the AFL season), which is when he is eligible to come back."
Miller said 18-year-old Cotchin had been immensely frustrated by sitting out the pre-season. "It's been a long road for him. He has high expectations of himself."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23353254-19742,00.html
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It isn't chronic as it's the other leg to last year. He's had no problem with that one since.
Not chronic? :-\
Sorry MT but I see a pattern whether it's the same leg or not, it's the same injury. It's a pretty big strecth to call two achillies injuries a coincidence. As it stands he is having problems with his leg tendons so I'd say it is definitely a chronic injury.
I just hope like blazes he grows out of it/recovers sooner rather than later because despite what some are saying these are prime development years. A youngster shouldn't be having problems of this nature this early. :(
I mean not chronic as in he isn't repeatedly having the same problem in the same achilles. Sure his achilles are an issue but it appears more a slow body development issue going by the specialists than a chronic injury that he'll have for the rest of his career. After he finally gets over this current problem if he were to suffer the same problem again next preseason in either achilles then it would be a major serious concern (hopefully he's now learnt his lesson about overtraining). But at this stage the now good achilles hasn't flared up again since he returned to running, training and playing around this time last year. I'm happy for them to take Cotch's recovery slowly like last year so when he does come back he is right to go.
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Alright I won't hit the panic button just yet..
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Jon Ralph says in our preview video that his guesstimate is a round 3 VFL return for Cotch and then 4 weeks of running around at Coburg before his AFL comeback in round 8. Let's hope so :pray.
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I've got some positive news on Cotch. He did some straight line 100m running today at training with a trainer while the others were warming up. I wouldn't say sprinting but it was at a decent pace nevertheless. Good to see him at least back running. We had a quick chat with Trent after training as he was sitting in the dugout with an ice pack around the ankle and he said he'll be fine it's just taking a while.
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From Y&B yesterday:
"But I forgot the other important piece of news.
Cotch is back running!"
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=9832
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I've got some positive news on Cotch. He did some straight line 100m running today at training with a trainer while the others were warming up. I wouldn't say sprinting but it was at a decent pace nevertheless. Good to see him at least back running. We had a quick chat with Trent after training as he was sitting in the dugout with an ice pack around the ankle and he said he'll be fine it's just taking a while.
Thanks MT.
I think I'll wait until he plays before getting carried away but it's a start I guess.
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Tezza briefly mentioned Cotchin last night and said he may be back in a few weeks which ties into what they've been saying for the past couple
I suppose it depends on whethe it flares up again.... at the moment it seems to have settled down :pray
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Tezza briefly mentioned Cotchin last night and said he may be back in a few weeks which ties into what they've been saying for the past couple
I suppose it depends on whethe it flares up again.... at the moment it seems to have settled down :pray
If Cotch is still running next week at training then that will be a positive sign that the achilles hasn't flared up again.
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More positive news on Cotch. He was running again today at training (100-200m runs around the boundary) and also had a couple of kicks to warm up. So he obviously pulled up okay from last week's runs. Hopefully he's now back on track and we'll see him back in the senior side by round 8 as scheduled.
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That's great news Thanks MT :thumbsup
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Best news for a while Mighty. :thumbsup
Gently, gently Trent.
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More positive news on Cotch. He was running again today at training (100-200m runs around the boundary) and also had a couple of kicks to warm up. So he obviously pulled up okay from last week's runs. Hopefully he's now back on track and we'll see him back in the senior side by round 8 as scheduled.
Without rushing him through just hear me out. He was super fit before this injury so really if he comes good soon wouldn't you expect him back by round 3-4?? He was no ware as fit as he is this year last year and he had the same injury, then he debuted in round 11 didn't he??
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More positive news on Cotch. He was running again today at training (100-200m runs around the boundary) and also had a couple of kicks to warm up. So he obviously pulled up okay from last week's runs. Hopefully he's now back on track and we'll see him back in the senior side by round 8 as scheduled.
Without rushing him through just hear me out. He was super fit before this injury so really if he comes good soon wouldn't you expect him back by round 3-4?? He was no ware as fit as he is this year last year and he had the same injury, then he debuted in round 11 didn't he??
yeah but he's been in hibernation for last 8-10 weeks , must seriously setback his prep ::)
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More positive news on Cotch. He was running again today at training (100-200m runs around the boundary) and also had a couple of kicks to warm up. So he obviously pulled up okay from last week's runs. Hopefully he's now back on track and we'll see him back in the senior side by round 8 as scheduled.
Without rushing him through just hear me out. He was super fit before this injury so really if he comes good soon wouldn't you expect him back by round 3-4?? He was no ware as fit as he is this year last year and he had the same injury, then he debuted in round 11 didn't he??
yeah but he's been in hibernation for last 8-10 weeks , must seriously setback his prep ::)
poo has it been that long and how does that time frame compare to last years out of interest as I cant remember.
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More positive news on Cotch. He was running again today at training (100-200m runs around the boundary) and also had a couple of kicks to warm up. So he obviously pulled up okay from last week's runs. Hopefully he's now back on track and we'll see him back in the senior side by round 8 as scheduled.
Without rushing him through just hear me out. He was super fit before this injury so really if he comes good soon wouldn't you expect him back by round 3-4?? He was no ware as fit as he is this year last year and he had the same injury, then he debuted in round 11 didn't he??
yeah but he's been in hibernation for last 8-10 weeks , must seriously setback his prep ::)
poo has it been that long and how does that time frame compare to last years out of interest as I cant remember.
Last year he only started running just before round 1 similar to this year except he hadn't trained or played at all since the TAC Cup PF in September 2007 when he broke his foot and then the achilles side-effects from that. It is better in that respect as this year he now has 14 weeks of AFL footy behind him plus the initial (too) hard preseason training in October before the achilles on the opposite foot played up. Still missing basically 3 months of preseason means it'll take a similar time frame as last year before he plays senior footy again.
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Well it would be nice if we could get a few wins on the board before he comes back and its too late.
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Monaghan said star young midfielder Trent Cotchin was "progressing" in his comeback from an achilles injury and was about three weeks away from starting full training.
"He's running and going ahead in leaps and bounds, but when he returns he will need a few games in the VFL," Monaghan said.
Cotchin's fitness is a long way behind that of the bulk of his teammates. His time frame for a return to the elite level is now about round seven or eight.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25252593-5012432,00.html
The Herald-Sun or Age I can't remember which said he'll be back by round 5 in the VFL.
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Some great news from Anduril on Y&B from Club 80 yesterday
"Cotch has started full training and says he’ll be right for Coburg in 3 weeks."
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=236342#post236342
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What a fine note to finish off a Wednesday arvo. :) :) :)
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Some great news from Anduril on Y&B from Club 80 yesterday
"Cotch has started full training and says he’ll be right for Coburg in 3 weeks."
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=236342#post236342
Hmm I was a bit confused... Reading that one sentence it sounds like Cotch was there - he wasnt :-\
then I flicked over the Y&B and read the whole thing... ;D
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Sounds like Cotch is on schedule :pray. 3 weeks is about round 5/6. Give him another 2-3 weeks in the VFL and he'll be back about round 9/10. Almost a repeat of last year.