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Wallace prepares for new scrutiny
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen
1:44 AM Fri 27 March, 2009
AFTER just one match of the 2009 season, the intense gaze of the football world is locked firmly on Punt Road.
Richmond was belted by Carlton to the tune of 83 points and coach Terry Wallace has admitted that interest in his club would intensify with the result, the hamstring injury to recruit Ben Cousins and next week's date with pre-season premier Geelong.
Following the arrival of former Eagle Cousins and with Wallace in the last year of his current contract, the Tigers had a summer of scrutiny.
"We’re all big boys, we’ve been in this competition long enough and we understand that that puts us squarely in the spotlight," he said after the game.
"Whether that be myself, or the playing group, or the football club in general, we understand that’s the case.
"You have to have a tough resolve in this industry and work hard to get your way over it.
"Obviously we’ve got Geelong next week down at Geelong, which is a tough game, but they still tell me that 13 games normally gets you into a finals campaign, and that’s what we’re going to keep working towards."
Wallace said his side would make no excuses for its season-opening performance and agreed it would have pleased no-one in yellow and black.
"It was incredibly disappointing," he said. "Our fans didn’t want to see what they saw, I don’t want to be sitting here trying to make excuses for what was a poor effort, the players don’t want to be going through any of that as well.
"We had a couple of players who are in our very best players at the club ... I think two blokes had something like 19 turnovers for the night, guys that you wouldn’t expect it from.
"It wasn’t anything we went into the game expecting at all, and we couldn’t have been more disappointed."
Wallace said that key mistakes early on would have dented his players' confidence and, from there, it made it difficult for them to win contests around the ground.
"When you back into the shell, if you’re not attacking the footy you just look second-rate," he said.
"[The players] need to speak to each other about what you need to do to recover from that sort of performance.
"It is one game, but you just can’t sort of say it’s one game and try to just push over the cracks.
"There are some things there that need to be addressed, and the playing group need to address them.
"Including Ben (Cousins), everything that could have possibly gone wrong went wrong."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/73819/default.aspx
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Firstly let me start by saying that I don't think Tezza had a great night in the box...
Read: Edwards aint no HBF :banghead, McGuane on Fev was a bad one, he was a better option for Cloke
But what really irks me is that this season after any loss all the attention will fall on Wallace and this will deflect attention away from the incompetant efforts of our players.. what a simple cop out they are given yet again
Simple example Simmonds dropping 4 marks in the first qtr & half, that aint the fault of Wallace.
If Wallace deserves to be kicked then give him the kick but as I have said before dont forget the players after last night they deserve an almighty one up the backside
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I thought McGuane had a shocking opening quarter, but was good on Fev after that
Fev essentially stole Judd's goal when sticking his boot out on the goal line
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Firstly let me start by saying that I don't think Tezza had a great night in the box...
Read: Edwards aint no HBF :banghead, McGuane on Fev was a bad one, he was a better option for Cloke
But what really irks me is that this season after any loss all the attention will fall on Wallace and this will deflect attention away from the incompetant efforts of our players.. what a simple cop out they are given yet again
Simple example Simmonds dropping 4 marks in the first qtr & half, that aint the fault of Wallace.
If Wallace deserves to be kicked then give him the kick but as I have said before dont forget the players after last night they deserve an almighty one up the backside
Yes he deserves to be kicked. your damm straight he does. He is the coach FFS.
Who recruited these guys???
Who recruited the Skills coach and duds like David King and Brian Royal??
Newsflash!! Wallace did
Maybe you need to open your eyes a little more WP and start to realise that TW will never be the coach you want him to be.
Edwrads HBF..hahaha Hyde vrs Goodes last year was it. He is that much of a loser i wont call him a coach anymore.
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If we give it as hard as they deserve, half wont be able to walk for a month! :banghead
Disappointed! They are disappointed???
How about humiliated?
disgusted?
shattered?
unworthy?
There are so many words, so little time! :banghead
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I know it is really early day, but if this is the way we play.
I can only see one thing and that is terry takes his walk early.
Cause I sure as hell don't want to look like we were 3 to 4 years ago again.
It was a crap game and this has to start at the top.
Don't lay all the blame on one but all of them.
But the players are playing to the way they have been taught.
So I do think if this continues Terry will get shoved out the door.
There has been little change to the way we go about the game.
As we are back to losing again. :banghead
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Firstly let me start by saying that I don't think Tezza had a great night in the box...
Why didn't he get Cousins in the middle earlier, I mean just to have at least one smart player at the centre bounces!!
If Wallace deserves to be kicked then give him the kick but as I have said before dont forget the players after last night they deserve an almighty one up the backside
Terry may be able to coach, but what he hasn't been able to do in his 4 years is make us a professional side. Carlton have turned it around in a couple of years, Ratten has spuds like Cloke, Houlihan, Wiggins and Hadley playing out of their skins and giving all they can depsite their limitations.
Last night wasn't a rusty round 1 effort, it was a disgrace. We have guys like Brown, Bowden and Simmonds who are all in their 30's and meant to be leaders and are making the most costly errors of the night.
My main criticism of Terry though is the game plan. Last year it was 'we're going to be like Geelong' and now it's 'we're going to be like Hawthorn'.
If you want to save your job Terry, play the kids that are desperate for a game, not the cancerous types that are there for the money.
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personally it all took on the appearance of a three ringed circus last night.
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personally it all took on the appearance of a three ringed circus last night.
Maybe it was part of the comedy festival. I know I laughed.
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It is not all TW's fault but he is the man with Boss written on his door. The book stops with the coach. He has been coach of a poohouse team for years......he still is.
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Have to dissagree with you there tiogar. Wallace has a great team in the making's last night.
And last year we almost make it to the finals and you can't do that with a crap team.
So him coach a Poo team as you put it isn't the case it at his door.
He is the director of it all and he has to take heaps of the blame for last night's game.
And this is where I will say for the first time Wallace is the only one with Poo on his boots.
Cause this is the way he is training them.
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Last night wasn't a rusty round 1 effort, it was a disgrace. We have guys like Brown, Bowden and Simmonds who are all in their 30's and meant to be leaders and are making the most costly errors of the night.
My main criticism of Terry though is the game plan. Last year it was 'we're going to be like Geelong' and now it's 'we're going to be like Hawthorn'.
If you want to save your job Terry, play the kids that are desperate for a game, not the cancerous types that are there for the money.
I saw the same crap a few weeks ago and was told "hey they are just rusty, it will be fine when the real stuff starts" and was given several reasons why players loose skills and smarts over the summer break. Well its all crap.
To me they all look confused. The are thinking about the schemes and swtiches and zones etc and just not just playing football. Lids and Foley and many other normally skilled players were turning the ball over. Why?? Well I think is becasue they are thinking about where they have to go and what they have to do next and not just worring about excuting the task at hand. For gods sake, tell them to go out there and beat a man and take NATURAL option. Play like they did when they were kids, hey thats what got them to this level in the first place. It might be a more simplistic few and old fashion view but to me we had a better team "on Paper" man for man, so why not take them on man for man.
One very peeed off Fluffy, who tipped the Tigers even though he saw this comming 3 weeks ago.
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Just don't think we can play zones well, based on our skill level.
I belive TW tried this basketball crap last year and it just did'n't work.
Anyway a few of the other kids might get a game now.
I agree with the comment Ëdwards is not a backman = he panicks and coughs it up and is very loose.
Hope Raines's injury is not that bad as he looked ok last light
Also though Blinger played ok, did some hard stuff and had good skillls.
Still cant belive our skilll level and why they pass it to a player standing still
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Richmonds problem is they rush without thinking always trying to play on when a player is too close running into trouble having no second option & they are under preasure constantly & this is where turnovers come from & bad options being made.
Also makes the situation look worse cause everything is so rushed
Cousins shows by example his skills as he evades /props giving himself just that extra 2 seconds to deliver the ball to set something up
Richmond are not playing thier own game letting clubs dictate them, & they should stick to thier own game plans
Some are not doing thiuer jobs down there & need replacing, They should also get new medical staff after what we all seen last night.
Richmond have always had this thing for playing injured players for as long as l can rememeber they totally break players
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Maybe you need to open your eyes a little more WP and start to realise that TW will never be the coach you want him to be.
daniel I will repeat what I said at the beginning - Wallace did not coach well last night can I make it any clearer
There were shocking match ups etc - it was a shocking night
But as I said and I will say it again to put all blame on the coach is laughable and to not put the spotlight of accountability on the players as well is unforgivable and unacceptable...
I understand the arguement the coach is the boss and the buck stops with him but reality is once they cross the white line the players take the spotlight and last night we got blinded by it.....
I am a boss, I have staff and I train them teach them but once they walk out of my office how much control do I have that they follow the instructions to the enth degree? I'll tell you not bloody much
Am I peeved you bloody better believe I am peeved.
And I chucking the in membership and not going anymore - not on your bloody life
So for now I will sit back and see how this footy club deals with this fiasco as they have 2 choices
Is losing to Carlton the worst thing that's gonna happen to me footy wise in 2009?
Sorry but nope it aint because losing one of my best footy mates to a brain tumour early this year is going to be hard to top
Thus endeth my rant
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Maybe you need to open your eyes a little more WP and start to realise that TW will never be the coach you want him to be.
daniel I will repeat what I said at the beginning - Wallace did not coach last night can I make it any clearer
There were shocking match ups etc - it was a shocking night
But as I said and I will say it again to put all blame on the coach is laughable and to not put the spotlight of accountability on the players as well is unforgivable and unacceptable...
I understand the arguement the coach is the boss and the buck stops with him but reality is once they cross the white line the players take the spotlight and last night we got blinded by it.....
I am a boss, I have staff and I train them teach them but once they walk out of my office how much control do I have that they follow the instructions to the enth degree? I'll tell you not bloody much
Am I peeved you bloody better believe I am peeved.
And I chucking the in membership and not going anymore - not on your bloody life
So for now I will sit back and see how this footy club deals with this fiasco as they have 2 choices
Is losing to Carlton the worst thing that's gonna happen to me footy wise in 2009?
Sorry but nope it aint because losing one of my best footy mates to a brain tumour early this year is going to be hard to top
Thus endeth my rant
WP, sorry to hear about your mate. You're right there are more important things in life.
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condolences on the lose of your mate WP
yes footy is a hard game & even harder when its the team you support so passionately
to think a coach like Wallace playing players out of position really riles me
Our backliners was positioned poorly last night even a kid told me it was setup wrong
Why cant these highly qualified coaches see this when we the supporters can
why was Polo & King left out both proven backmen
What is with this kid Edwards who hardly looks like his visited the gym over summer or his mums kitchen
Polo would have taken them carlton youngsters to the cleaners for Geez sake his a brilliant halfback attacking player
Kingy is another small man we really needed to ruffle some carlton players last night
Carlton players ruffed ours up & we just stood back & watched
Chris Newman as captain is the wrong choice again, his mouth was closed & his skill level & thinking was pathetic not to mention many others, how Mcmahon gets a game before polo really has me *****d
Some having a go at Bowden he was hardly on the ground why
why put cousin back onmto the ground with the game lost ??????
too many mistakes & too many turnovers & bad coaching whats happened
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Richmonds problem is they rush without thinking always trying to play on when a player is too close running into trouble having no second option & they are under preasure constantly & this is where turnovers come from & bad options being made.
Also makes the situation look worse cause everything is so rushed
Cousins shows by example his skills as he evades /props giving himself just that extra 2 seconds to deliver the ball to set something up
Richmond are not playing thier own game letting clubs dictate them, & they should stick to thier own game plans
Some are not doing thiuer jobs down there & need replacing, They should also get new medical staff after what we all seen last night.
True post. :cheers
Their mental state is bordering adolescent.
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Richmonds problem is they rush without thinking always trying to play on when a player is too close running into trouble having no second option & they are under preasure constantly & this is where turnovers come from & bad options being made.
Also makes the situation look worse cause everything is so rushed
Cousins shows by example his skills as he evades /props giving himself just that extra 2 seconds to deliver the ball to set something up
Richmond are not playing thier own game letting clubs dictate them, & they should stick to thier own game plans
Some are not doing thiuer jobs down there & need replacing, They should also get new medical staff after what we all seen last night.
True post. :cheers
Their mental state is bordering adolescent.
welcome back!!
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never left ;D
just been reading & not posting during the off season
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why was Polo & King left out both proven backmen
King (Jake) said he had missed a fair whack of the pre-season due to surgery on his ankle ans was basically 2 months behind everyonee else, hence why he is playing at Coburg
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never left ;D
just been reading & not posting during the off season
Well guess who is back, lol. ;)
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Look at all the vultures gleefully coming out for a feed. Happens everytime a coach is about to be sacked at this club.
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Look at all the vultures gleefully coming out for a feed. Happens everytime a coach is about to be sacked at this club.
How many more unfruitful years do you want the supporters to give the plough?
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Terry Wallace 5 years at $600,000
Impact NIL
has recruited terrible. Kingsley,P Bowden. JON, Patterson, McMahon ::) edwards could go and on , but whats the point.
The used car sales will find employment difficult seeing the state of the car industry is down the drain.
Good luck
ramps, i have said it many of times, we aint going NO WHERE will Terry Wallet and his game plan.
The sooner he goes the better, at least we might be able to salvage something out of the year.
diffrent game plan, more spirit and harder at the ball. Get rid of the 15 metres kicks and laterall movement.
There should be a rule at punt road, that any player who wants to kick the ball under 25 metres plays at Coburg the following week.
there lies the biggest problem
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Our recruiting since the 2004 has been shown up to be shocking. They told the supporters to wait, they told us that theyd recruited properly, that it was just a matter of time :banghead :help
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Our recruiting since the 2004 has been shown up to be shocking. They told the supporters to wait, they told us that theyd recruited properly, that it was just a matter of time :banghead :help
So EVERY SINGLE PLAYER drafted since 2004 has be the wrong choice
Every single one ::)
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Ramps what even more funnier that the "'King of Spin"" said a few weeks ago, we are right to go, finals he we come.
Blind man freddy can see we arent up to it.
problem is that all the faithfull are blind as a bat.
Most supporters think that Richard Tambling is good football, unfortunately Richard seem scared to me.
Dont start me on McMahon either, how on earth he ended up at the RFC with a great contract is due to Terry, Mcmahon isnt up to it, forget about the spin they put on things.
And please dont start me on Schulz, I want to go outside a enjoy the nice day, if i start on schulz , i will be here all day.
And another thing, Terry has a set against Polo, why on earth wasnt he played the other night ?????????
They play lightweights like McMahon and Edwards before him.
I seen an incident the other night where Marc Murphy just pushed Edwards off the balll with ease. . Lightweights wont make it,especially in the roles that Terry asks of them
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Our recruiting since the 2004 has been shown up to be shocking. They told the supporters to wait, they told us that theyd recruited properly, that it was just a matter of time :banghead :help
So EVERY SINGLE PLAYER drafted since 2004 has be the wrong choice
Every single one ::)
Bring up a point. the blues produce all these first gamers whom are MILES ahead of ours, why ?
No 12 for the blues, forgot his name , RUBBED OUR FACE IN IT
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Robinson his name, RUBBED our FACE IN IT
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Our recruiting since the 2004 has been shown up to be shocking. They told the supporters to wait, they told us that theyd recruited properly, that it was just a matter of time :banghead :help
So EVERY SINGLE PLAYER drafted since 2004 has be the wrong choice
Every single one ::)
Bring up a point. the blues produce all these first gamers whom are MILES ahead of ours, why ?
No 12 for the blues, forgot his name , RUBBED OUR FACE IN IT
Fair point too
But I don't think think you can say ALL our recruiting since 2004 hase been shocking.. that was my point
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I reckon Morton, Reidwoldt, Rance and the young Ruckman Browne will all be good.
Whats of interest with Browne on what I have seen that he is already jumped ahead of Patterson and Graham in regards to ruck contest.
What was noticable the other night that he did get has hand onto the ball at ruck contests. something Patterson and Grahram CANNOT achieve and havent acheived at AFL level.
How can a kid playing his first game do this and the others Patto Graham cant ????
As for poor recruits, McMahon ,Tambling, Edwards( not all his fault-played way out of position) arent really up to it
On paper, we look like we have a fairly average-good spread of players, but when the game plan is to kick the ball 20 metres in traffic, there lies huge issue on what the team are trying to achieve during the game, thus we need a change in direction and game plan, and if that means chop wallace, then he goes , for what i have seen this year, NAB cup and round 1, we are going backwards very very quickly.
The entire structure of the team when we rebound is COMPLETELY wrong, its actually a mess and thus our inablity to hurt the scoreboard.
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Look at all the vultures gleefully coming out for a feed. Happens everytime a coach is about to be sacked at this club.
How many more unfruitful years do you want the supporters to give the plough?
Anyone that is not shocked or hurting after Thursday's game and is on here saying I told you so is not a Richmond supporter as far as I'm concerned. Not directed at you Ramps, but anyone else wants to bring that poo after the next game, I drink at the Public House. We'll sort it out quick smart
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Our recruiting since the 2004 has been shown up to be shocking. They told the supporters to wait, they told us that theyd recruited properly, that it was just a matter of time :banghead :help
So EVERY SINGLE PLAYER drafted since 2004 has be the wrong choice
Every single one ::)
Bring up a point. the blues produce all these first gamers whom are MILES ahead of ours, why ?
No 12 for the blues, forgot his name , RUBBED OUR FACE IN IT
Fair point too
But I don't think think you can say ALL our recruiting since 2004 hase been shocking.. that was my point
WP I did not include the word "ALL" in my post :cheers
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Look at all the vultures gleefully coming out for a feed. Happens everytime a coach is about to be sacked at this club.
How many more unfruitful years do you want the supporters to give the plough?
Anyone that is not shocked or hurting after Thursday's game and is on here saying I told you so is not a Richmond supporter as far as I'm concerned. Not directed at you Ramps, but anyone else wants to bring that poo after the next game, I drink at the Public House. We'll sort it out quick smart
This isnt about I told you so or anything like that- atleast not from my point of view, simply its about discussing what we feel is the best way forward for our footy club and we have to acknowledge that after missing finals 4 years in a row and losing the first game of season no 5 for Wallace by 80 odd points- is not a good start. We all know what our supporters are like and the board in the past have more often than not caved in when the heats been on. Some people think posts like mine are personal ... they never are, I dont Wallace, he may be a great bloke, I dont know, what I do know is that last Thursday we got pumped by an arch rival, that what we saw was an abomination in terms of skill sets, the lack of hardness at the contest was also apparent, If that continues- What happens then? Do we continue down the same path? or do we make a change and hope someone like a Damian Hardwick can turn it around.
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Our recruiting since the 2004 has been shown up to be shocking. They told the supporters to wait, they told us that theyd recruited properly, that it was just a matter of time :banghead :help
So EVERY SINGLE PLAYER drafted since 2004 has be the wrong choice
Every single one ::)
Bring up a point. the blues produce all these first gamers whom are MILES ahead of ours, why ?
No 12 for the blues, forgot his name , RUBBED OUR FACE IN IT
Fair point too
But I don't think think you can say ALL our recruiting since 2004 hase been shocking.. that was my point
WP I did not include the word "ALL" in my post :cheers
Close to 90% of our trades under wallace has been dismal.
What we got right
Foley
Moore
Lids
Cotch who Wallet will probably ruin
Jack
Leaving out last years draftees id say the rest are so poo its actually embarrassing. They will not win you a flag no way.
Who in the right mind is scared of facing the likes of patto, tambling, Edwards, Mcguane.
Our recruiting is the worst in the league on par with Freo IMO.
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WP I did not include the word "ALL" in my post :cheers
I know you dind't Ramps but my first reading of it and the fact that you didn't say "the majority of or alot of" made me think you were implying ALL
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