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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on April 05, 2009, 07:53:47 PM
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Easter Monday is a season defining game for us already. We need to do whatever it takes to win and back up being hard at the contest. The dogs are showing a harder edge this year but they still don't have the bigger bodies of a Geelong. There were huge momentum swings in their game today so we need to make the most of the momentum when we have it on the scoreboard. The doggies won again today in tough wet conditions against North. Hopefully that takes a bit out of them for next week although we'll probably be sore too after playing Geelong. We have an extra day to recover than the Dogs though. Cooney didn't look right yet either even though he played.
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Next Sunday is a season defining game for us already. We need to do whatever it takes to win and back up being hard at the contest. The dogs are showing a harder edge this year but they still don't have the bigger bodies of a Geelong. There were huge momentum swings in their game today so we need to make the most of the momentum when we have it on the scoreboard. The doggies won again today in tough wet conditions against North. Hopefully that takes a bit out of them for next week although we'll probably be sore too after playing Geelong. We have an extra day to recover than the Dogs though. Cooney didn't look right yet either even though he played.
Ummm we play Monday :rollin :rollin
But I agree it's a massive game for our Club... Get there tiger fans. This game last season was one of the best games of the season that ended up being costly for us at seasons end...bloody draw
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Ummm we play Monday :rollin :rollin
LOL I forgot it was Easter Monday next week :wallywink
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Monday is going to be massive......CRUNCH TIME :gotigers
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yes ... 'mini-final' ... we must win!
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Given the conditions of the ground we play on this week compared to Skilled Stadium I will be interested to see if we bring in more 'skilled' players instead of hard players. I think this would be a mistake if we do.
King maybe the one ommision I would argue for given his obvious poor footskills. I believe King was brought in lsat week to tag Ablett and lead the team in attitude and aggression which we sorely needed. This meant we had two tagger playing against the Cats but do we need that for the Dogs? I'm not convinced we do and while we certainly need more 'spunk' and fire if we are any chance, Kingy can cause a lot of turnovers and be isolated in the forwardline by the opposition which is disasterous.
For mine, I would ask that Thomson be brought in for King. If Tambling was ready he would be my first choice but given Thomsons hard at in attitude and strength at contests he would be a great addition to our midfield.
I think we also need to leave Schulz in the FF position at the time being which is a sad reflection on the club at the time being. Both our current FF options, Jay and Cleve, are both lacking in confidence, delivery and support IMHO. If either are going to make it they need to be targeted up forward whenever they present. Unfortunately I think it will take more than a boost in confidence for either one to make it. I hope for the clubs sake I am wrong.
Polo, Rance, Hislop and Gus all deserve another week (at least) given their performances against the best team in the competition last week.
I hope we can come into the game with fire in our hearts and, if need be, a foot up our a#$%!
We need this game
Stripes
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Didn't Ablett started on a HFF so Kingy was still in defence when he started on him? Given the Bulldogs lack a key forward and rely on small/midsized forwards Johnson, Aker, Hill, Murphy (if he plays) plus their mids pushing forward, I think Kingy will stay in the side to mind someone.
Agree Stripes about Sarge. We really don't have another option at FF with Cleve and Patto still coming back from injury lay-offs and needing more gametime at Coburg to build back their match fitness.
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Western @ Etihad Stadium
Melbourne @ MCG
North Melbourne @ Etihad Stadium
Sydeny @ SCG
*next four weeks are very important (obviously!)
need to pull off a 'Win' against Western, which will give us massive confidence!
Come On Richmond!
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No Murphy by the looks of it
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/74604/default.aspx
Cautious Dogs won't risk Murphy against Richmond
By Jennifer Witham 12:17 PM Wed 08 April, 2009
FORWARD Robert Murphy will miss at least another week, with the Western Bulldogs erring on the side of caution in regard to the rehabilitation of his knee.
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No Murphy by the looks of it
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/74604/default.aspx
Cautious Dogs won't risk Murphy against Richmond
By Jennifer Witham 12:17 PM Wed 08 April, 2009
FORWARD Robert Murphy will miss at least another week, with the Western Bulldogs erring on the side of caution in regard to the rehabilitation of his knee.
Murphy is a star so a plus for us he won't play. Hopefully Welsh doesn't comeback in as he's always enjoyed playing against the Tiges especially when he was at the Crows :scream.
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WESTERN BULLDOGS V RICHMOND - Age preview
Etihad Stadium, Monday 13th April 2.10pm
TV: Channel Ten live
HEAD TO HEAD: Western Bulldogs 65 Richmond 75 Drawn 2
IN THE 2000s: Western Bulldogs 6 Richmond 6 Drawn 1
AT THIS GROUND: Western Bulldogs 13 Richmond 21 Drawn 0
LAST FIVE GAMES: Western Bulldogs 4 Richmond 0 Drawn 1
UMPIRES: Mathew Nicholls (15) Justin Schmitt (17) Ray Chamberlain (18)
LAST TIME: Western Bulldogs 19.16 (130) drew with Richmond 20.10 (130) R5 2008 Etihad Stadium
BETTING:
TAB SportsBet: Western Bulldogs $1.30, Richmond $3.30.
Sportingbet: Western Bulldogs $1.33, Richmond $3.35.
Summary: After an insipid round one showing against Carlton, Richmond at least showed plenty of spirit in pushing Geelong all the way at Skilled Stadium last weekend. They are well aware, however, that honourable losses will not help them towards a long-awaited finals berth or help under-siege coach Terry Wallace keep his job. But their chances of opening their account for the season against the Bulldogs appear slim, even if they are at their best. The Bulldogs have shown they can win with pace and skill, against Fremantle in Subiaco in their opening game, and with grit and courage, in the wet against the Kangaroos at the MCG in round two. They appear to have too much skill for the Tigers, who have often shown a propensity to turn the ball over under pressure. But Richmond will take heart from their last meeting, at the same venue early last season, when the Bulldogs had to come from 25 points down to pinch a draw.
Key: Belief and poise - the Tigers were in front in the last quarter against Geelong, but fell away when it counted. In contrast, the Bulldogs lifted when challenged late in their match against the Kangaroos.
Tip: Bulldogs by 20 points
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I had a quick look at the site WOOF and was very suprised at the intelligent,balanced preview of the game on monday.They seemed to have a good Knowledge of our players...I was quite impressed untill the prediction came-Dogs by 13 goals.
Hopefully if we beat the bulldogs we will recieve four points and some respect back. :gotigers
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Very much looking forward to this game
Bullies play a great style of footy, having said that I think we match up on them well and this will be alot closer than people think :thumbsup
:gotigers :gotigers
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Bulldog Daniel Cross' comment today on our game last week.......
"I think Geelong may have underestimated them [Richmond] after their defeat to Carlton and we can't afford to do that and we know that."
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/cross-wary-of-tigers-68268
Here's Sportal's match preview:
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/preview-western-bulldogs-v-richmond-68236
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The Bulldogs are going for the emotional factor this week. Scotty West will do a lap on honour in a car before the game. They are even claiming it's Brad Johnson's 100th game at the Dome.
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Any final thoughts about today's game? Do you think we have a genuine chance?
Luxbet.com Odds
Head to Head
Western Bulldogs 1.34
Richmond 3.30
Line
Western Bulldogs -18½ 1.91
Richmond +18½ 1.91
Winning Margin
Western Bulldogs 40+ 3.05
Western Bulldogs 1-39 2.25
Draw 61.00
Richmond 1-39 4.00
Richmond 40+ 13.00
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Any final thoughts about today's game? Do you think we have a genuine chance?
There's always a chance.
Come on Tiges fire up!!!!
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Any final thoughts about today's game? Do you think we have a genuine chance?
Yep a chance
Dare I say it but the Bombers proved on Saturday evening that with having the right mindset what can be achieved
:gotigers :gotigers
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Top deck is 80% full. So a good crowd of 35k pushing to 40k expected.
They're expecting Dale Morris to play on Richo and Lake when he pushes forward.
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Yep a chance
Dare I say it but the Bombers proved on Saturday evening that with having the right mindset what can be achieved
:gotigers :gotigers
Exactly WP. If you're hard and first at footy then anything is possible.
I think we'll know by 1/4 time which Tigers side has turned up. If the game is fairly even or even better we are in front then I think we can get over the line. If we start poorly then there's a risk of a blowout.
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Flying out of the miss but Lids misses on the run
1 - 0
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Polo intercept and we get to Jack. Goal :gotigers
7 - 0
Jackson on Griffen
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Newy and Polo leave it to each other. Turnover. Point to dogs.
Run it up the other end. Morton snaps a point.
8 - 1
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Geez Tigers give them another chance in our backline :banghead. Griffen point.
8 - 2
Awareness Kingy :P
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Moore on the wing to Gus to Kingy over to White on the run goal :gotigers
14 - 2
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Another clearance out of the centre but Foley misses on the run. They run it up the other end too easily but he misses as well.
Joel tackled after we bring it quickly. Turnover but Cooney misses too.
15 - 4
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Good pressure so far and we are stopping their running game but we've got to make more of our chances inside 50.
Inside 50s: 9 - 7
Contested possies: 18 - 16
Newy lovely left foot pass from the centreline to Richo on 50m. Point.
16 - 4
45k crowd
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Zone is working a treat at the moment. Newy intercepts over to Foley on the run. Goal :gotigers
22 - 4
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Free to the Dogs out of the centre. Gilbee's shot is touched on the line for a point.
we get it forward but Dogs rebound. Hill marks from the throw-in. Point.
Dogs go forward again but Richo marks in defence.
Quarter time
Richmond 3.4-22
Bulldogs 0.6-6
Goals: Riewoldt, White, Foley
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Good start to the game with good pressure and numbers around the contest but we need to make the most of our forward line entries. Lucky the Doggies are off-target too. A lot of our lesser likes having good games given Richo has been out of the game.
Possies:
Newy 9
Foley 8
Browny, King, Hislop, Polo, McGuane all 7
Tuck 6
Kicks: 62 - 49
hballs: 40 - 36
tackles: 11 - 13
Inside50: 15 - 10
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We get it out of the centre again but Morton misses from a tight angle.
Doggies rebound. Aker paid a soft free against Kingy's spoil. Point.
23 - 7
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Hudson outmarks Gus from the kick-in. Giansiracusa goal on the last line on defence :banghead.
23 - 13
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Browny bad kick = turnover. Ball ends up with Higgins.
23 - 19
Browny dragged
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Bulldogs get clearance. Rance overran the footy inside defensive 50. Point bulldogs.
23 - 20
Our pressure has dropped off while the Dogs have lifted.
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Lids marks and cops a whack in the back of the head by Picken. He's bleeding and off the ground and Shaw wants it reversed because Lids retaliated. Double reversed free. Ends up with Luke. Point.
24 - 20
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Richo and Richie? head clash. McGuane is everywhere.
Edwards helicopter point.
25 - 20
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Kingy poor kick again. Aker poster.
25 - 21
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Dogs goal. Richie very poor at that marking contest.
25 - 27
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Another Doggy goal. Playing all over us this quarter :banghead.
25 - 33
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Richie first possession in 30mins gametime. Turnover. Another doggie goal
25 - 39
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Doggies applying heaps of pressure and tackling and we've dropped off completely >:(. Getting smashed in the centre. 5 goals to the Dogs from our turnovers :banghead.
3 goals while Gus was in the ruck :P.
25 - 45
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We finally get it forward. Richo from a long way out gets it to the square but rushed for a point.
It would be nice if we manned up their forwards instead of leaving them alone in the goalsquare ::).
Free against Joel for holding the ball directly in front. Griffen point
26 - 46
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we finally get a free possie. Lids to Schulz to White for a goal.
32 - 46
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This quarter is an absolute disgrace. Embarrased to be a Tiger supporter. If Edwards, King, Tambling play next week we are weak as $#@$#@.
Those 3 shouldnt be paying for Coburg.
How many on our team cant kick the $@$#@ footy. I will go through them: McGuane, King, Hislop, White, Jackson, Tuck, Rance, Edwards, Polo, Graham,
Game over may as well go home. Sick of this poo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really thought we would win today. But same old crap happens time and time again.
Melbourne will beat us next week.
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Edwards another shocking kick. Turnover. 50% disposal efficiency.
Lids paid a free against him for slinging Picken over the boundary. Point to dogs.
32 - 47
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We can add a total lack of awareness to poor foot skills :banghead. Pathetic!
Half time
Richmond 3.4 4.8-32
Bulldogs 0.6 6.11-47
Goals: White 2, Riewoldt, Foley
Contested possies: 13 - 26 ..... says it all. One quarter doesn't win games Tigers.
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Edwards another shocking kick. Turnover. 50% disposal efficiency.
Lids paid a free against him for slinging Picken over the boundary. Point to dogs.
32 - 47
Actually they said the free was against Rance.
Good first quarter. Now we are playing our usual rubbish. I'm sorry but I can't see the good in Tambling. Misses easy tackles. Lids was hard done by when he got bashed in the head.
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I have a horrible feeling that after such a bright start this is going to turn ugly.Lucky to be this close.
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Getting murder in the midfield and off their half-back line thanks to our turnovers. Gilbee 17 possies of which 9 have resulted in a score :P.
Too many passengers and those that are getting the ball like Kingy can't kick. Even Browny is having a shocker with his foot skills. You can handle being beaten by a better side but there's got to be effort from the whole side. That second quarter was straight out of the Carlton game it was that pathetic.
Possessions inside 50: 13 - 30 ..... Richo 1, Browny 0, Lids 0, Tambling 0, Schulz 0 :help
Agree with pmac. Edwards, Kingy, Richie won't be their next week. Sarge shouldn't be either but he;s only keeping his spot because there's no one else fit.
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we just dont look good even when we are in front
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What was Simmo thinking turning back on himself and killing the move forward. Off course we eventually turn it over again :banghead
Edwards another turnover through a poor option :P
McGuane intercepts. To Rance to Foley to Browny. From 35-40m. Goal :gotigers
38 - 47
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Higgins score a point.
We cough it up and Brad Johnson crumbs a goal.
38 - 54
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Jacko running forward chips a pass to no one :help
3aw commentators are saying Tambling's confidence is shot.
McGuane kicks it over Jack's head :P
It would be nice if we could hit a target on the lead by foot.
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Kingy another turnover going across the goal :banghead
38 - 60
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Browny snaps a Point and chops the jeers
39 - 60
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GET KING OFF NOW!!!
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Our forward line is total crap.Dogs can sniff blood now
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Tells us what you really think tiga :lol
The only reason why this is close is because the dogs are playing crap as well.
Free to Morton. Hits the post ::).
Dogs run it up the other end for a point.
40 - 61
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are we allowed to delist king in round 3?
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8 of their 9 goals have come from our turnoves. Richie has 2 of them. King must have 3 or 4.
40 - 73
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IPSO FACTO COLLAPSO! :banghead :banghead
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Make that 9 out of 10. Gus turnover.
Richo on the wing heard Rex in the box sing the fat lady.
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Simmo has had shocker as well. Well beaten by Hudson.
Rex says we needs to start again but Pagan said GC17 and West Sydney will stuff that up as well for us.
Tuck legged. Nice Goal :clapping
46 - 73
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Kingy misses Jack. Turnover again :banghead.
Don't give it to Kingy please :help
White to Jack to Morton and goal
52 - 73
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Wouldnt West Sydney and GC17 be the best way to start again? I mean they are looking for players and we could off load a few!
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3/4 time
Richmond 3.4 4.8 7.10-52
Bulldogs 0.6 6.11 10.13-73
Goals: White 2, Riewoldt, Foley, Browny, Tuck, Morton
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Wouldnt West Sydney and GC17 be the best way to start again? I mean they are looking for players and we could off load a few!
Only if they're dumb and desperate to take them. Who would want someone like Kingy after watching today's game :P.
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3/4 time
Richmond 3.4 4.8 7.10-52
Bulldogs 0.6 6.11 10.13-73
Goals: White 2, Riewoldt, Foley, Browny, Tuck, Morton
Got any of your best players please MT?
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Richmond supporters are jeering Tambling.
I'm so sick of losing and not being competitive. :banghead
Like MT said, if it wasn't for the fact the Bulldogs aren't kicking straight it would be almost a repeat of the Carlton game.
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Wouldnt West Sydney and GC17 be the best way to start again? I mean they are looking for players and we could off load a few!
Only if they're dumb and desperate to take them. Who would want someone like Kingy after watching today's game :P.
Thats the reply that i thought would be forthcoming! :wallywink
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LOL GR. At least us tiger fans still have our sense of humour ;)
Hislop has hammy soreness.
Aker goal.
52 - 79
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Aker gets another. This could blow out. Pagan says our body language is flat as.
Point to us for a rushed behind. Counted as pressured so no free kick. A joke of rule if we're going to have this stupid rule.
Blingers misses Richo. Turnover.
And Aker gets his 4th
53 - 91
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BLOW OUT TIME.
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Rex said no one could coach this rabble.
Richo at FF now and takes a mark against 3. Lake came off second best. Richo OOTF :-X
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Schulz turnover because he couldn't hit Morton 20m away by foot. Gilbee goal.
53 - 97
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Rance gives it off then shepherds :clapping. To Lids finds Richo and goal.
59 - 97
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Bulldogs out the centre and goal.
59 - 103
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Tambling out of the centre to Hislop to Richo. Point from 50m
60 - 103
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Tambling off and a supporter yelled out over the effects mike "STAY #@$% OFF YOU HACK"
King to Browny point. Shaw says he's lost the penetration in his kicking since the broken leg.
Rex called Kingy the best CHB in the Northern District football league lol.
Richo point.
62 - 104
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Newy to Richo to Simmo. Poster ::).
63 - 104
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Newy turnover. Goal to Cooney.
63 - 110
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Siren puts us out of our misery.
Final Score
Richmond 3.4 4.8 7.10 8.15-63
Bulldogs 0.6 6.11 10.13 16.14-110
Goals: White 2, Riewoldt, Foley, Browny, Tuck, Morton, Richo
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Tambling back to his usual standard. BAD.
What a bloody dissappointment this is.
I have turned off the tele and about to do weeding which I would do with our team next week.
I can't sit there to watch the bad ball delivery time after time.
We have to go back to basic's as what we are doing now isn't working.
P, poor for a team that is supposed to be making it to the finals this year.
Could this sould the bells for Terry also.
Richmond Tigers :banghead :banghead
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BLOODY PATHETIC
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Could this sound the bells for Terry also.
Certainly think without doubt this is the end of TW, he has openly said that the RFC and himself be judged on the next four weeks, that was before today's abysmal performance. Sadly the squad that TW has assembled is just not well enough equipped skill wise to cope with defensive zone setups. Unfortunately it pains me to say it but its all about rebuilding yet again, any player who cannot hit a target from 20 metres (including those big white tall things called goal posts) should be shown the door, we just cannot carry these players any longer.
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I can live with the fact that we are 0-3 as it was always going to be tough start however its the way we have played that really worries me.Only two good quarters out of twelve it appears we have gone backwards over summer.Our skill level and decison making is pathetic and we look unfit.
Deledio and Foley have been big disappointments for me...Time for them to start leading the way and impose themselves on games.
It is a huge embarrasment to our club that old man Richo is still the best player at the club...daylight second.
What is so evident over the first 3 rounds is the difference between our best and worse footy is still massive. :help
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I am more gutted after this than I was after round 1 - insipid efforts all round
Can only think of 8 players who really gave a yelp today, you know the ones when you thinkthey gave everything - Richo (of course), Polo, McGuane, Moore, Tuck, Foley, Rance and White (just)
In this day and age you cannot afford to have blokes who turn it over coming out of the back half like Jake King does. For all his effort no team can afford to carry that sort of player. Jake gave them (minimum) 3 direct goals today
Speaking of giving (I prefer to call it gifting) the opposition direct goals - take a bow our Captain :banghead I know I said I'd wait until at least round 5 but based on today he doesn't deserve to spared. Crucial turnovers at crucial times. He gifted the doggies 2 goals did Newy.
Mitch Morton is paid to kick goals. Shanking shots from 25 mtrs out is a disgrace. He barely looked interested today a case of "the Cleve's" perhaps
Simmo....hmmmm..... move it quickly :banghead
Kudos to young Alex Rance he is desperate, he is quick and he has reasonable skills. He must paly the rest of the year no matter what
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Rance could be a fantastic player playing of the Wing.
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Rance could be a fantastic player playing of the Wing.
Actually I liked him at CHF today - really gave us a good target
But yeah as a winger that'll work too
Can we clone him ;D
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Disgraceful today.
Please firstly. Drop Tambling the kid obviously has no confidence and is struggling at this level. Promote either Collins or Thompson.
Give Angus Graham first ruck next week and have Simmo coming off the bench at the 20 min mark. Why? So we can insult this guy to get out of his laziness and lack of intencity. He has a black belt handles dangerous snakes and plays footy like a pansy. That's the truth on this bloke.
Morton although lazy and missed set shots was not alone.
N Brown has not won a hard ball in ages possibly before he broke his leg. An effort in the 2nd quarter where he waited for the ball only for the Dogs to intercept and it ended up to Higgins was abonibal. If he is a detriment then we really should be questioning his selection.
Bowden is another who should be dropped. The game and its pace has passed him. Please don't remind me of last years feats. Right place right time. Most on this forum would have done what he did if we were in the same scenario.
I feel more gutted today than Carlton two weeks ago.
I feel inclined to want us to win by 10-20 points next week rather than flog Melbourne by 10 goals plus. Why? A struggling unconvincing win would let all know where we are as if we don't know anyway. A huge win would be akin to a kick in the teeth as to why we could not replicate that intencity in te first 3 weeks. Sadistic as this seems part of me also wants Melbourne to win next week merely to close the book on Terry and allow us to begin the new chapter of this fractured 27 year history of this once proud footy club. It would end all speculation and innuendo and at least even at 0-4 we could still salvage something from the season from a win loss ratio perspective and not scar kids like Collins Cotchin and Rance with our losing culture that seems to be getting more and more amazing. It could either lead us to the draft with another bottom 2 finish and building for 2010 at least we will know.
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another disappointment that will go with the collection over the last 20 odd years, this club is mentally fragile ( prefer the other word) but i dont want to get turfed from here ;)
this club has lost its culture from 1980 onwards.
sack the coach and everything will be rosy again (no pun intended)...until the next time, and trust me it will happen again with a new coach.
there is something dead down at Punt Rd since the 80's and stench is still lingering.
and to those supporters who are going to enjoy the crap that follows the sacking of another coach at Richmond SHAME ON YOU...and you call yourselves supporters.
weird logic. :banghead
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There is no doubt as shown in last weeks game that we thrive on momentum. When this momentum is severely hampered by ridiculous turnovers occuring frequently, thanks to King and Tambling, there is no coming back from it. As someone else said, we are mentally fragile and until we get some mental toughness and learn how to kick to a team mate, we are going nowhere. We are also unable to cover our best players if they are having an off day. Against Carlton, who was off the boil?? Deledio, Foley, Tuck, Simmonds, Richo........Who was off the boil today??.....Deledio, Foley, Tuck, Simmonds, Richo.
No further questions your honour. The defence rests.
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another disappointment that will go with the collection over the last 20 odd years, this club is mentally fragile ( prefer the other word) but i dont want to get turfed from here ;)
this club has lost its culture from 1980 onwards.
sack the coach and everything will be rosy again (no pun intended)...until the next time, and trust me it will happen again with a new coach.
there is something dead down at Punt Rd since the 80's and stench is still lingering.
and to those supporters who are going to enjoy the crap that follows the sacking of another coach at Richmond SHAME ON YOU...and you call yourselves supporters.
weird logic. :banghead
spot on as usual rog, this problem will be compounded with some of the liekly candidates put forward by the ferals, Wayne Campbell for example, that would be a disaster, a complete failure that is looking more and more likely.
Sacking the coach is a short term solution.
The biggest mistake the rfc did was to let terry meddle in list management. I am still not convinced that Craig Cameron ( the director of football ) has the authority that he is supposed to have. But at least on the surface it appears that is major structural issue has been dealt with by Gary March.
The biggest tragedy in all of this of course ( going forward ) is that the opportunities afforded to hawthorn and carlton will not be avialble to richmond, IE we will not have access to the best youngsters in australia via early draft picks, due to the sydney and GC teams coming into the competition. That is the real problem in IMHO, IE there is no end in sight. >:(
Jack and his mates would be loving this no doubt, for the real fans however it is just going to be more of the same....again.
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another disappointment that will go with the collection over the last 20 odd years, this club is mentally fragile ( prefer the other word) but i dont want to get turfed from here ;)
this club has lost its culture from 1980 onwards.
sack the coach and everything will be rosy again (no pun intended)...until the next time, and trust me it will happen again with a new coach.
there is something dead down at Punt Rd since the 80's and stench is still lingering.
and to those supporters who are going to enjoy the crap that follows the sacking of another coach at Richmond SHAME ON YOU...and you call yourselves supporters.
weird logic. :banghead
spot on as usual rog, this problem will be compounded with some of the liekly candidates put forward by the ferals, Wayne Campbell for example, that would be a disaster, a complete failure that is looking more and more likely.
Sacking the coach is a short term solution.
The biggest mistake the rfc did was to let terry meddle in list management. I am still not convinced that Craig Cameron ( the director of football ) has the authority that he is supposed to have. But at least on the surface it appears that is major structural issue has been dealt with by Gary March.
The biggest tragedy in all of this of course ( going forward ) is that the opportunities afforded to hawthorn and carlton will not be avialble to richmond, IE we will not have access to the best youngsters in australia via early draft picks, due to the sydney and GC teams coming into the competition. That is the real problem in IMHO, IE there is no end in sight. >:(
Jack and his mates would be loving this no doubt, for the real fans however it is just going to be more of the same....again.
Do you agree that we should tank now. This is the last chance to get some early picks. I think tanking this year could benefit us. We need early picks and we need a shot at getting a good player viathe PSD. We can only get that if we tank.
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Sacking the coach is a short term solution.
Exactly and it wouldn't solve the inherent problems at the RFC
Which are here on display in front of us as we speak (type) :banghead
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another disappointment that will go with the collection over the last 20 odd years, this club is mentally fragile ( prefer the other word) but i dont want to get turfed from here ;)
this club has lost its culture from 1980 onwards.
sack the coach and everything will be rosy again (no pun intended)...until the next time, and trust me it will happen again with a new coach.
there is something dead down at Punt Rd since the 80's and stench is still lingering.
and to those supporters who are going to enjoy the crap that follows the sacking of another coach at Richmond SHAME ON YOU...and you call yourselves supporters.
weird logic. :banghead
spot on as usual rog, this problem will be compounded with some of the liekly candidates put forward by the ferals, Wayne Campbell for example, that would be a disaster, a complete failure that is looking more and more likely.
Sacking the coach is a short term solution.
The biggest mistake the rfc did was to let terry meddle in list management. I am still not convinced that Craig Cameron ( the director of football ) has the authority that he is supposed to have. But at least on the surface it appears that is major structural issue has been dealt with by Gary March.
The biggest tragedy in all of this of course ( going forward ) is that the opportunities afforded to hawthorn and carlton will not be avialble to richmond, IE we will not have access to the best youngsters in australia via early draft picks, due to the sydney and GC teams coming into the competition. That is the real problem in IMHO, IE there is no end in sight. >:(
Jack and his mates would be loving this no doubt, for the real fans however it is just going to be more of the same....again.
Do you agree that we should tank now. This is the last chance to get some early picks. I think tanking this year could benefit us. We need early picks and we need a shot at getting a good player viathe PSD. We can only get that if we tank.
you cant just turn a switch and tank,
the list is not set up to tank
The squad of 30 is middle of the road, and will end up middle of the road.
We wont get anywhere until all the blokes over 30 with their inherent mental fragility are replaced with younger bodies with both the ability and the inclination to succeed. Put simply the biggest problem is that these blokes are yet to be forced out of the side.
Everyone talks about playing youth but the reality is the youth is miles away from being ready
Connors Coughlan Thomson Pattison have all been injured and have just started playing coburg ones
Cousins Cotchin are both in our top 5 players and are still 3-6 weeks away
Vickery Putt Hughes ( inj) Gilligan Gourdis are all playing coburg 2s due to injury or form
Nahas did not have a pre-season and is still struggling for afl fitness
Hislop has been given opportunity and while being hard at the contest is yet to appear comfortable with the skill level required.
Mcmahon was dropped, but King is no upgrade, he got 41 touches setting up play last week at Coburg.
On the positive I believe that White Polo and Rance are examples of young players who were made to earn their positions in the senior side and are grasping it with both hands ATM, whether they make it or not is debateable, but they are at least talented and committed to the contest, a good start in becoming an AFL footballer
JON has played two great games in a row for coburg, he and collins should be given an opportunity for Tambling and edwards.
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"Tank" We don't need to tank, the way we are playing right now is productive enough of No results, we are already 0-3, hell we only need to continue doing what we are already doing. Tank, why try to do something when you can do it naturally to begin with.
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Picken has no case to answer for his whack on Lids.
the match review panel reviewed a match day striking report against Bulldog Liam Picken on Brett Deledio and determined that Picken only had eyes for the ball.
The only other incident assessed by the match review panel from Monday’s clash was contact between Bulldog Stephen Tiller and Richmond’s Jack Riewoldt but the inconclusive nature of the video meant no further action was taken.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/74919/default.aspx
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Picken has no case to answer for his whack on Lids.
the match review panel reviewed a match day striking report against Bulldog Liam Picken on Brett Deledio and determined that Picken only had eyes for the ball.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/74919/default.aspx
Eyes on the ball ...hmmmmmmmmm.......... he clocked him after Lids had taken the mark
Whatever
After the McPharlin fiasco I am not surprised by this decision
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Well, after reading the hundreds of posts since Monday's game and all the associated solutions/plans/rants I thought I may as well put my 2 bob's worth in.
1. We are the the most unintelligent, mindless, robotic team in the competition. Even when the blindest, dumbest person on earth can see that a particular style of play/plan is not working we keep trying it. Even when the blindest, dumbest person can see that a particular style of play/plan is working we refuse to stick to it.
2. We have a very serious disconnect between the coaching department and the playing list. The message is either not getting through or being totally misunderstood. Either way the relationship is breaking down dramatically.
3. We have some off-field personnel whose professional judgment is sub-standard. The decision to play an obviously distracted and injured Tambling is a prime example but the Cousins injury ranks nearly as high.
4. Jake King has now proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is not up to AFL standard.
5. The blame for the disgraceful, embarrassing start to the season cannot be singled out to one person, group or reason, but until a unified and single-minded effort from every individual person in the football collective occurs it is not going to improve.
6. The most appropriate leadership our president and board can provide at the moment is to circle the wagons, shut their public mouths and work their butts off in-house to convince every single affected person of the club's total and unwavering commitment to club, team and success by honouring every single agreement and contract it has entered into in good faith.
7. We have 'managed' and 'developed' our precious playing list for long enough. - They need to harden up and grow up and if that means hurting some feelings then cry me a river. Actually, pm me with their details and I'll send them 2 bob to call someone who cares. The days of the 'kid glove' treatment are over if they genuinely want to match it with the men.
8. In all the years and highs and lows of following Richmond for nearly 50 years that would have to rate as one of the most disappointing and humiliating defeats I can remember. Not for the size of the loss but for the circumstances. We showed how soft and large our underbelly is and have just made the rest of this season so much harder for ourselves.
9. Sacking anyone at the moment is not the answer. Every single person connected in some way to the football team has now got their individual and collective backs well and truly to the wall - the next few weeks will identify who wants it and who doesn't, who has it and who doesn't, who should and who shouldn't, and at that point it will become obvious what are the correct decisions that need to be made.
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Great post smokey agree with you.
but a couple of stand outs for mine
5. The blame for the disgraceful, embarrassing start to the season cannot be singled out to one person, group or reason, but until a unified and single-minded effort from every individual person in the football collective occurs it is not going to improve.
:bow :bow exactly smokey
6. The most appropriate leadership our president and board can provide at the moment is to circle the wagons, shut their public mouths and work their butts off in-house to convince every single affected person of the club's total and unwavering commitment to club, team and success by honouring every single agreement and contract it has entered into in good faith.
As I said on another thread
Here's the tip tigers
JUST SHUT UP
9. Sacking anyone at the moment is not the answer. Every single person connected in some way to the football team has now got their individual and collective backs well and truly to the wall - the next few weeks will identify who wants it and who doesn't, who has it and who doesn't, who should and who shouldn't, and at that point it will become obvious what are the correct decisions that need to be made.
Within the next 2-4 weeks we will know, we will definitely know
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Picken has no case to answer for his whack on Lids.
the match review panel reviewed a match day striking report against Bulldog Liam Picken on Brett Deledio and determined that Picken only had eyes for the ball.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/74919/default.aspx
Eyes on the ball ...hmmmmmmmmm.......... he clocked him after Lids had taken the mark
Whatever
After the McPharlin fiasco I am not surprised by this decision
What a load of rubbish!! Clocked him twice and had the blood running down Lids face. Probably could have clocked the umpire and got away with it. Unbelievable :banghead