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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mat073 on April 13, 2009, 11:32:21 AM
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For those of us lucky to have Foxtel ,Wallace is on the couch tonight.....lets hope its a happy Terry. :pray
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For Terry's sake we better win today then.
If someone can provide a summary of what was said tonight on the show it will much appreciated :)
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it might be ex coach terry wallace on tonight
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Yeah tell us Terry why you should get sacked mid-season.
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it might be ex coach terry wallace on tonight
What the hell has he proved to all of us in all his time at our home.
I would also be asking why should you be entiled to be at the healm of our club.
Because you sure don't deserve it. We have the players to win just not the formular.
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it might be ex coach terry wallace on tonight
What the hell has he proved to all of us in all his time at our home.
I would also be asking why should you be entiled to be at the healm of our club.
Because you sure don't deserve it. We have the players to win just not the formular.
I would say possibly "had" the players, but after watching the game today especially tich edwards he has been ruined as a player through his time with us and he is not alone.
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>:( Maybe he can resign on air! Disgrace again today!
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You have to wait an extra week.
After round 4
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l cant wait another week sack the coach now, being a supporter is getting to unbearable. :pray
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Monk, I have been saying this for the past 3 years, most people on here think I am bitter, WRONG. I love the RFC more than anyone,and I have had a gutfull.
The wriiting has been on the wall for the past 3 years , but people on here think we are heading in the right direction, right direction to win the spoon.
I have said it before and I will say it again.
You will NEVER win games kicking sideways backwards and kicking 10 metres. Wallace will never change his game plan.
and NEVER play King/Schulz/ TAMBLING ever again.
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Its time to go the tank IMHO.
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l cant wait another week sack the coach now, being a supporter is getting to unbearable. :pray
The way I am looking at it is like this. We were almost told we would be a top contender.
And by the way we are playing he could be right, a top contender for the wooden spoon.
I love the Tigers.
But I hate the way we play, and if this is a supporter being disgruntaled, then so be it.
But I was expecting more, that the carp I saw served up today, before turning of the set.
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Its time to go the tank IMHO.
bla bla bla have a kleenex
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Mail is that Mike is ""fully loaded"" tonight. ;) ;)
Should be good viewing, watching the heat being turned up tonight
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keep us posted, im on holidays in lakes entrance, no foxtell here where in staying
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The way I am looking at it is like this. We were almost told we would be a top contender.
Actually bushie the only person who said we'd be a top contender is the bloke the majority is suggesting take over ....one K Sheedy... he suggested a premiership.... trust me I was there he said it
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The way I am looking at it is like this. We were almost told we would be a top contender.
Actually bushie the only person who said we'd be a top contender is the bloke the majority is suggesting take over ....one K Sheedy... he suggested a premiership.... trust me I was there he said it
At least he was trying to install a bit of spirit and belief.
Interesting driving home tonight listening to 3AW, Rex and Bondy said they could see the writing on the wall 3 years ago, :banghead when Wallace asked them to talk to the players pre season.
Rex bascially said that the players seem lost with the game plan and didnt seem to play for the jumper or didnt seem spirited enough.
It was interesting thoughts by Bondy and Rex
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The way I am looking at it is like this. We were almost told we would be a top contender.
Actually bushie the only person who said we'd be a top contender is the bloke the majority is suggesting take over ....one K Sheedy... he suggested a premiership.... trust me I was there he said it
And it was the right thing to say William.
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At least he was trying to install a bit of spirit and belief.
Interesting driving home tonight listening to 3AW, Rex and Bondy said they could see the writing on the wall 3 years ago, :banghead when Wallace asked them to talk to the players pre season.
Rex bascially said that the players seem lost with the game plan and didnt seem to play for the jumper or didnt seem spirited enough.
It was interesting thoughts by Bondy and Rex
Gee that's taking liberty with what was said ::)
I heard that and at no time did they mention the players being lost with the game plan
You comments about the jumper and being sprited enough is correct but there was no comment about the game plan. Please don't twist things to suit you purpose
Rex made the point that he thought a number of players didn't seem to understand our appreciate what wearing the jumper means
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LOL, you would of heard me. ;)
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At least he was trying to install a bit of spirit and belief.
Interesting driving home tonight listening to 3AW, Rex and Bondy said they could see the writing on the wall 3 years ago, :banghead when Wallace asked them to talk to the players pre season.
Rex bascially said that the players seem lost with the game plan and didnt seem to play for the jumper or didnt seem spirited enough.
It was interesting thoughts by Bondy and Rex
Gee that's taking liberty with what was said ::)
I heard that and at no time did they mention the players being lost with the game plan
You comments about the jumper and being sprited enough is correct but there was no comment about the game plan. Please don't twist things to suit you purpose
Rex made the point that he thought a number of players didn't seem to understand our appreciate what wearing the jumper means
Rex actually said the players didnt seem to understand, referring to game plan at the time
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Rex actually said the players didnt seem to understand, referring to game plan at the time
You are right he said they didn't seem to understand
But you are implying that it is the game plan he was referring to. He made absolutely no reference to the game plan
From what I heard and considering he was talking about the club and the jumper I beleive he was talking about what the jumper and playing for the RFC means
Correct me if I am wrong but he even went as far as saying that he felt with some of the kids that the lights were on that night but no one was home
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Thanks for clearing that up WilliamPowell.
But I have to say I to thought that we would be a force this year to.
After coming home really strong. Only to be let down like this is unfair to all of us.
I think some of the players need to have a good look at themselves and then compair themselves to player in other teams playing that position they are.
And look at what they are doing to help their team win.
Now back to the one that I have a go at the most is Tambling.
Surely he has to know what he has to do in a match by now.
I saw him back away from a pack, and thought you gutless P.
But he was by far not to only one to not put in.
I am sure if they were working on a performance base their would be quite a few hungry Tiger players out there tonight.
It is just not good enough by coach and player. I will stand by them but I will say we deserved what we got.
At the moment we couldn't even beat a country league team.
Something has to happen quick and not just next week as it is only the wooden spooners game.
If there is 1000 at the game they (both teams) we be doing good.
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Would love a run down of what was said as I don't have Foxtel
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Thanks for clearing that up WilliamPowell.
But I have to say I to thought that we would be a force this year to.
After coming home really strong. Only to be let down like this is unfair to all of us.
I think some of the players need to have a good look at themselves and then compair themselves to player in other teams playing that position they are.
And look at what they are doing to help their team win.
Now back to the one that I have a go at the most is Tambling.
Surely he has to know what he has to do in a match by now.
I saw him back away from a pack, and thought you gutless P.
But he was by far not to only one to not put in.
I am sure if they were working on a performance base their would be quite a few hungry Tiger players out there tonight.
It is just not good enough by coach and player. I will stand by them but I will say we deserved what we got.
At the moment we couldn't even beat a country league team.
Something has to happen quick and not just next week as it is only the wooden spooners game.
If there is 1000 at the game they (both teams) we be doing good.
About Tambling, I could beleive he actually ""pulled out"" of two contests today, seen enough, not up to it
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Would love a run down of what was said as I don't have Foxtel
Me too, if anyone could oblige. I'm in the middle of a house move and Foxtel is not on my radar for a couple of weeks.
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After tonight on the couch
he sounded very nervous and I think he is a dead man walking.
Sounded very unconvincing and I think he realises that the for the first time in his tenure the clock is ticking against him.
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After tonight on the couch
he sounded very nervous and I think he is a dead man walking.
Sounded very unconvincing and I think he realises that the for the first time in his tenure the clock is ticking against him.
what was said if u dont mind me asking
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they asked him how many young players he has bought through, he named 4. Moore,Foley, McGaune ans White.
Thats one a year. :banghead Most clubs have 3-4 players a year..
enough is enough.
Interesting they showed Edwards kicking inside 50 against geelong.
problem is that we had no structure inside 50 to kick to. Terry then said that he should of looked laterally, oh dear, he has really lost the plot.
Terry is the coach and its up to him to have structure in the team, not everyone behind the ball you clown. :banghead :banghead
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After tonight on the couch
he sounded very nervous and I think he is a dead man walking.
Sounded very unconvincing and I think he realises that the for the first time in his tenure the clock is ticking against him.
what was said if u dont mind me asking
Was asked about Tambling and other questions regarding our skill with various incidents where our skill let us down today. Asked about players of the ilk of Schulz and others who have been on the list for a long time and have not shown the required improvement or have a lack of improvement. Question marks on his game plan incident shown from last week against the Cats where Titch Edwards bombed into our forward 50 to a nest of 3 cats. Terry's reasoning that we have a few list cloggers is that they were on contract when he came to the cluba nd he could not get rid of at the time of his arrival namely Gaspar and Kellaway. My question is a bloke like Schulz would was definentely on a 5 year contract but that is just my opinion. To me TT he looked very nervous and knew he was under pressure almost stuttering through his responces. TW may always have an answer to any question but his nervousness in delivering that answer was very evident to me.
He has been peddling these answers for far too long for someone who promised some sort of return on the investment on him being made coach. As I said the clock is now ticking against him.
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After tonight on the couch
he sounded very nervous and I think he is a dead man walking.
Sounded very unconvincing and I think he realises that the for the first time in his tenure the clock is ticking against him.
Really were we watching the same show ;D I thought he sounded like he always does
Gerard asked "if you lose next week will you resign"
TW: No. I wouldn't expect my players to walk away so I am wont (or words to that effect)
The put his record up you know the 38.5% winning rate. Healy asked did they go to hard early - should we have cut to the core more in hhis first year.
Answer: they cut 26 player sin the first 2 years. When he got there there were a number of blokes who had 1, 2 and 3 year deal so for those players you are unable to much with them
Mike asked if he was going to keep playing guys who continue to turn the ballover, Mike listed Tambling and King.
Answer: firstly on Tambling said that most people wouldn't have known that Tambling had a things outside of footy happening in the last 72 hours with his wife giving birth to their 2nd child and basically having no sleep for the past 48 hours. But he said that tambling knows that his game today was unacceptable
TW added that players who cannot kick will perish
Mike then asked how can you say that when you keep playing the same players?
Answer: wnet back to the Carlton game and said they had picked that night what they believed to be our best kicking side. After that game which he descirbed as a "diabolical disaster" they decided to go with a team for geelong than would compete but didn't have the disposal skills. Results show that the competitiveness was there last week.
Hird asked where TW thought we'd be after six rounds (win/loss)
Answer: TW said that there many who expected us to 0-3. Healy countered by saying with Mike trying to talk over him that it isn't the fact we've lost but how we've been "non-competitive" in 2 of them. TW agreed and said that problem
TW said that going into round 3 he thought Footscray had been in good form, Mike said I thought they played average today. Clean out your ears Mike ::)
Final questions from Healy
Can you still make the finals?
Answer: YES - 3 games into 22 game season but the next 3 weeks absolutely crucial for the Club
If you are 1-5 after six rounds and someone taps you on the shoulder would you quit/
Answer: NO
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thanks tuckerbag
well the drums must be beating loud then we can assume
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they asked him how many young players he has bought through, he named 4. Moore,Foley, McGaune ans White.
Thats one a year. :banghead Most clubs have 3-4 players a year..
Again you take liberty with what was said to suit your purpose
What did he say after he spoke about White? Care to add that
He said he could go on .....
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they asked him how many young players he has bought through, he named 4. Moore,Foley, McGaune ans White.
Thats one a year. :banghead Most clubs have 3-4 players a year..
Again you take liberty with what was said to suit your purpose
What did he say after he spoke about White? Care to add that
He said he could go on .....
question?
how can terry praise foley and white but say guys that cant kick wont last in the game. well these 2 plus king make 3 guys who can run fast but cant kick. so i guess terry should rethink what he says
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question?
how can terry praise foley and white but say guys that cant kick wont last in the game. well these 2 plus king make 3 guys who can run fast but cant kick. so i guess terry should rethink what he says
the question he was asked by Mike was who in the last 4 years has improved? He said that the first 2 he would look at was 2 blokes of the rookie list who were now in the leadership group in Moore & Foley, then he went onto McGuane followed by White
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fairies muff
still think white and foley are way overrated and skills are way below par
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Here's a really rough summary:
Wallace on On the Couch
0-3 – will he resign. No. He wouldn’t expect players to step aside and say it’s all too hard, so why should he. Given a task to do and will continue to do to the best of his ability.
Does he feel like he’s on death row. Given March’s comments that we would have to make the finals to keep his job, is it just a matter of time? Plough says he’s unsure whether he put it on record or March did that he would resign if he didn’t make the finals.
He said in the fifth year, with the supporter base being patient, if we didn’t have gradual improvement, commonsense that it would be the outcome he’d resign.
38% win rate, is it good enough? No, it’s not. But when you look at percentages at any stage you can read what you want. When you have one year when you have 3 wins for an entire season, that blows everything out of the water. Certainly, one of those years really was a disaster for us.
Did Wallace go too hard too early? 10 wins in 2005, 11 wins, then 3 wins. Should we have cut harder earlier? Plough was asked that question earlier. We cut 25 players in the first two years, with other players on one, two and three year contacts. You don’t have control over previous decisions on contracted players. Choice is then do you play them. Those early years with Gaspar and Kellaway, should we have played them. They are there and they’re stalwarts of the footy club so you do what you do.
Sheahan says we’re still doing the same thing now with guys like Tambling, Schultz, King, blokes making the same mistakes week after week. Plough says what do you replace it with.
Do you stick with blokes that aren’t going to deliver. Re Tambo. In the Carlton game he thought Richie was one of the few who had a go. He had a poor game today, but tough last 72 hours with the birth of his kid and no sleep.
Game v Carlton – Gerard says it shows they’re not ready to mentally improve. You build up and you build up to a game, and when you lose hope and all of a sudden you realise you’re not going to win, all of a sudden the air comes out of the tyres and you wonder what you’ve done for two hours. Our build up was such that we thought we’d win the game. They got there and made mistakes early and it all fell apart.
Coaching for the future and players know he’s playing for his future, does it create tension with the players? Certainly it can, and he things your ability to not lose your players when the pressure’s on. And if you take the pressure and try to apply the pressure just smack bang onto the playing group and try and deflect it, he thinks no doubt it can happen. But we should be rowing the boat together. We’re three weeks into a 22 round season, and we’ve got to continue to row the boat together. He’s still has to have the ability to call a spade a spade. He should be able to call it when a player’s not towing the line and they have t have the ability to take it.
After round 6, where did he expect us to be? A lot of people would have thought it was 50/50 v Carlton. And noone over the last couple of weeks would have expected us to win.
Lack of competitiveness is more the issue. First game was a disaster. Today he thought we were beaten by our use of the football. Our 2nd quarter was the worst part of our game today. Our inability to hit targets.
Sheahan says it’s the same players week in and week out that make the same skill errors. Terry – if they’re not good enough, they won’t survive in the game. When we go to match committee again, we’ll be looking at it again.
Where do you find good kicks that want to compete? We’re hoping to get a few back, like Cotchin, Connors, McMahon.
Is it skill, decision making or combination of both? Shane Edward’s kick last week Gerard said was the worst kick he’s seen all year. Terry says, he wasn’t thinking. There were no targets down forward, so he should have held the ball and look laterally for players coming down the ground. In the game against Geelong, we used the middle corridor well and that’s why were able to compete.
Thought the Bulldogs were as good as Geelong. Thought Geelong were a bit flat.
Jeff Bond’s(sp), psychologist, ex AIS. What’s his role? He’s there for players and staff members. What he does is he takes Terry’s coach’s notes and analyses what’s going on from the perspective of how we’re dealing with players. He’s there to be dealing with players and being involved in all aspects. All clubs have that kind of person.
Who has improved since he’s been at the club? Moore, Foley from rookies. Luke McGuane has come on. Mattie White.
Can we make the finals? Yes, of course we can. We’re three rounds into a comp where we’ve played the top three or so sides in the business. We’ve got to beat the sides that are going to be around the same mark as us, knock them over and start beating some of the better teams.
Can we be 3-3 after round 6? Possibility, but we’ve got to do it. The ball’s in our court.
If they’re all losses or it’s 5 and 1, will he have to be tapped on the shoulder or will he walk? He thought he answered that at the beginning of the program.
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After tonight on the couch
he sounded very nervous and I think he is a dead man walking.
Sounded very unconvincing and I think he realises that the for the first time in his tenure the clock is ticking against him.
Really were we watching the same show ;D I thought he sounded like he always does
Gerard asked "if you lose next week will you resign"
TW: No. I wouldn't expect my players to walk away so I am wont (or words to that effect)
The put his record up you know the 38.5% winning rate. Healy asked did they go to hard early - should we have cut to the core more in hhis first year.
Answer: they cut 26 player sin the first 2 years. When he got there there were a number of blokes who had 1, 2 and 3 year deal so for those players you are unable to much with them
Mike asked if he was going to keep playing guys who continue to turn the ballover, Mike listed Tambling and King.
Answer: firstly on Tambling said that most people wouldn't have known that Tambling had a things outside of footy happening in the last 72 hours with his wife giving birth to their 2nd child and basically having no sleep for the past 48 hours. But he said that tambling knows that his game today was unacceptable
TW added that players who cannot kick will perish
Mike then asked how can you say that when you keep playing the same players?
Answer: wnet back to the Carlton game and said they had picked that night what they believed to be our best kicking side. After that game which he descirbed as a "diabolical disaster" they decided to go with a team for geelong than would compete but didn't have the disposal skills. Results show that the competitiveness was there last week.
Hird asked where TW thought we'd be after six rounds (win/loss)
Answer: TW said that there many who expected us to 0-3. Healy countered by saying with Mike trying to talk over him that it isn't the fact we've lost but how we've been "non-competitive" in 2 of them. TW agreed and said that problem
TW said that going into round 3 he thought Footscray had been in good form, Mike said I thought they played average today. Clean out your ears Mike ::)
Final questions from Healy
Can you still make the finals?
Answer: YES - 3 games into 22 game season but the next 3 weeks absolutely crucial for the Club
If you are 1-5 after six rounds and someone taps you on the shoulder would you quit/
Answer: NO
Sorry Willy, we were both on the same wave length. Hopefully you covered what I missed and vice versa :-)
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After tonight on the couch
he sounded very nervous and I think he is a dead man walking.
Sounded very unconvincing and I think he realises that the for the first time in his tenure the clock is ticking against him.
Really were we watching the same show ;D I thought he sounded like he always does
Gerard asked "if you lose next week will you resign"
TW: No. I wouldn't expect my players to walk away so I am wont (or words to that effect)
The put his record up you know the 38.5% winning rate. Healy asked did they go to hard early - should we have cut to the core more in hhis first year.
Answer: they cut 26 player sin the first 2 years. When he got there there were a number of blokes who had 1, 2 and 3 year deal so for those players you are unable to much with them
Mike asked if he was going to keep playing guys who continue to turn the ballover, Mike listed Tambling and King.
Answer: firstly on Tambling said that most people wouldn't have known that Tambling had a things outside of footy happening in the last 72 hours with his wife giving birth to their 2nd child and basically having no sleep for the past 48 hours. But he said that tambling knows that his game today was unacceptable
TW added that players who cannot kick will perish
Mike then asked how can you say that when you keep playing the same players?
Answer: wnet back to the Carlton game and said they had picked that night what they believed to be our best kicking side. After that game which he descirbed as a "diabolical disaster" they decided to go with a team for geelong than would compete but didn't have the disposal skills. Results show that the competitiveness was there last week.
Hird asked where TW thought we'd be after six rounds (win/loss)
Answer: TW said that there many who expected us to 0-3. Healy countered by saying with Mike trying to talk over him that it isn't the fact we've lost but how we've been "non-competitive" in 2 of them. TW agreed and said that problem
TW said that going into round 3 he thought Footscray had been in good form, Mike said I thought they played average today. Clean out your ears Mike ::)
Final questions from Healy
Can you still make the finals?
Answer: YES - 3 games into 22 game season but the next 3 weeks absolutely crucial for the Club
If you are 1-5 after six rounds and someone taps you on the shoulder would you quit/
Answer: NO
From where I stood WP I thought he was nervous.
I would not quit after round 6 either if I was 1-5 as I would not get paid out as per the conditions of my contract. I would wait to be tapped on the shoulder as Spud was. I am sure Terry being Terry would wait for that tap on the shoulder as would any reasonable person who may be waiting for a 250K package or stand to lose that amount if they resign mid season.
Being 0-3 although realistic do you think they would have been bantering that up when Ben Cuz was picked up. I am sure our membership would not have been sitting at 35000. No point talking about it now when we are 0-3 and saying we thought we might be there.
Tambling as much as I hope all is well with his baby and partner you cross the white line you are ready to play and to show how much we erred as a club if he had no sleep for one night within 72 hours of the match is akin to someone at the pub on the turps within that time. Both player and club ahve erred and its no excuse. I didn't see the Dogs playing with 17 men to accomodate for Tambo's lack of sleep.
Competitiveness means nothing if it does not equate to wins. No point losing by 20 points each week against quality oppositions when wins equates to finals and equates to success.
As for the turnovers it probably is a combination of the players we have recruited as much of Terry instilling a game plan to a team that essentially is bereft of skill.
Lets call a spade a spade WP. We all love the Tiges and we don't want to see things that occurred in Spuds last year from our fans and the club but he has had 5 years and he has failed. If you saw things differently then each to their own.
As for me I could not care less whether Terry coaches next week or our next flag or Dorothy the Dinosaur for that matter as when all these coaches directors players come and go I will still be there supporting the club. Its always us the supporters whose tenure and support far outweighs any RFC officials tenure.
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its time to find a couple of businessmen to put up the cash so we can pay him out. its time for him to go. we need someone like Hardwick.
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why ?
why not every member and fan who wants wallace out pay him out if they want him gone so badly
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its time to find a couple of businessmen to put up the cash so we can pay him out. its time for him to go. we need someone like Hardwick.
Ramps in the current climate and with the current board the businessman/men to pay out his contract would have to be part of a new board takeover or current board members who would agree to work with a new board. March will not commit to such a proposal and even if an election was held it would more than likely take place after the season when Terry would be gone anyway.
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If the club had no faith in him, they should have cut him last year and started with a new coach this year.
If they sack him after four rounds, would be poor form IMO.
If you're playing three of the top teams it's not inconceivable you won't win any
It's the next three games that matter and he should be judged after round six.
We were in the same position last season and we turned it around. We can do the same again.
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Lets call a spade a spade WP. We all love the Tiges and we don't want to see things that occurred in Spuds last year from our fans and the club but he has had 5 years and he has failed. If you saw things differently then each to their own.
Tucker my issue has always been that the blame at the moment is focused on one individual rather than every single one of them.... players, other coaches, the club
I hate seeing this club reacting the way others (media, other club supporters etc) want us to. It drives me to this :banghead
Believe me I am gutted by this loss - it is worse than round 1 but whether we want to face it or not we are 3 games into the season.
But people can have a go at me as much as they like but as far as I am concerned we are our own worst enemy at times..
I will repeat today's effort was unacceptable, it was insipid in the final quarter but facts are we are 3 games in and to think that yet again some so called "richmond people" (and gawd how I hate that term) are again plotting there own agendas and think their views are more improtant and carry more weight than yours or mine just p-sses me off
As for me I could not care less whether Terry coaches next week or our next flag or Dorothy the Dinosaur for that matter as when all these coaches directors players come and go I will still be there supporting the club. Its always us the supporters whose tenure and support far outweighs any RFC officials tenure.
Agree 100%
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Sorry Willy, we were both on the same wave length. Hopefully you covered what I missed and vice versa :-)
:thumbsup Moi
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If you're playing three of the top teams it's not inconceivable you won't win any
a) Carlton aren't a "top" team yet, and hasn't been a top team for years. They flogged our rabble, had a 3 goal win over Brisbane and lost to Essendon. Hardly impressive.
b) It's the way we lost. We've played 2 good quarters in 12 so far. We're embarrasing, comical (to everyone other than Tiger supporters) and passionless.
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Ta WP, Moi and Tucky for the summaries :thumbsup.
It comes back to recruiting as well. Moore, McGuane, White and Foley were all late picks/rookies which isn't a bad record. They weren't however supplemented by good early choices in 2004-5 who are now in their 4th-5th years plus those missing years preceeding Wallace. Wallace said when he arrived he left recruiting to the recruiters. As head coach you're the one who cops the stuff if mistakes are made so you should be involved in recruiting as far as at least having knowledge of the players you're picking up before the draft. Especially in Richmond's case as our recruiting resources were the worst and smallest in the League. It was Miller and Beck and that was it :-\. No point saying you want player of type X and then turning up to preseason training after the draft and finding out the player is of type dud.
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If you're playing three of the top teams it's not inconceivable you won't win any
a) Carlton aren't a "top" team yet, and hasn't been a top team for years. They flogged our rabble, had a 3 goal win over Brisbane and lost to Essendon. Hardly impressive.
b) It's the way we lost. We've played 2 good quarters in 12 so far. We're embarrasing, comical (to everyone other than Tiger supporters) and passionless.
I agree with you, it's the way we've played
But we played similar at the beginning of last year and it all worked out okay.
Give him till round 6 at least
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Lets call a spade a spade WP. We all love the Tiges and we don't want to see things that occurred in Spuds last year from our fans and the club but he has had 5 years and he has failed. If you saw things differently then each to their own.
Tucker my issue has always been that the blame at the moment is focused on one individual rather than every single one of them.... players, other coaches, the club
I hate seeing this club reacting the way others (media, other club supporters etc) want us to. It drives me to this :banghead
Believe me I am gutted by this loss - it is worse than round 1 but whether we want to face it or not we are 3 games into the season.
But people can have a go at me as much as they like but as far as I am concerned we are our own worst enemy at times..
I will repeat today's effort was unacceptable, it was insipid in the final quarter but facts are we are 3 games in and to think that yet again some so called "richmond people" (and gawd how I hate that term) are again plotting there own agendas and think their views are more improtant and carry more weight than yours or mine just p-sses me off
As for me I could not care less whether Terry coaches next week or our next flag or Dorothy the Dinosaur for that matter as when all these coaches directors players come and go I will still be there supporting the club. Its always us the supporters whose tenure and support far outweighs any RFC officials tenure.
Agree 100%
WP I agree with you on many issues and I always find your compassion for the club second to none. :thumbsup
The point you are making saying we can't focus on the coach based on the result is fine also but the type of players brought to the club and the style of play they have adopted is from the coach so yes in my opinion he is responsible for that end of the bargain. Is it Terry's fault he took up a coaching job at the club 22 years into an undefined period of failure? No it isn't but he has had 5 years to at least get a list that would have some upside to it in terms of skills competitiveness passion game plan. Yet the "culture" of the club and the rotten stench that has presided over the place still exists. He is also bereft of ideas with our game plan at the moment which results in a unskilled short chip chip sidewards stuff much like 2007.
What do I say I don't want this unwanted media attention at our club for lack of results but unfortunantely our results this year based on our overall results over 27 years eminate in feeling such as these.
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Give him till round 6 at least
No, nope, nah we can't do that :nope
Heaven forbid we actually win a game or the next 3 and we end up being 3-3 after 6 rounds... things would actually start to look up and that can't happen
It would just ruin the lives of some people
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Give him till round 6 at least
No, nope, nah we can't do that :nope
Heaven forbid we actually win a game or the next 3 and we end up being 3-3 after 6 rounds... things would actually start to look up and that can't happen
It would just ruin the lives of some people
what by beating the dees? Okay no worries.
So your content with another mid table finish are you?
it seems that some of you refuse to accept that Wallet is the problem and his assistant coaches.
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it seems that some of you refuse to accept that Wallet is the problem and his assistant coaches.
What you've just said is the problem daniel
You blame no-one else but Wallace and the Coaches
Do you really think that the players aren't to blame too?
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it seems that some of you refuse to accept that Wallet is the problem and his assistant coaches.
What you've just said is the problem daniel
You blame no-one else but Wallace and the Coaches
Do you really think that the players aren't to blame too?
yes but who put them there??? your man Wallet.
Who refused to get rid of duds like Schulz and who recruited fools like Tambling.
When a big clean was needed all those years ago, aka the hawks, wallace brought in his own cattle and now in 2008 added chicken arms Mcmahon.
Who has stalled the career of Lids. yep your man again.
who will stuff up Cotchin's career? yep your man Terry.
UNDERSTAND THIS WP. THE PLAYERS ARE NOT PLAYING FOR WALLET NO LONGER. THEY WANT HIM OUT!
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UNDERSTAND THIS WP. THE PLAYERS ARE NOT PLAYING FOR WALLET NO LONGER. THEY WANT HIM OUT!
And who told you this exactly daniel? Jackstar? Or the entire playing group perhaps?
A very sweeping statement I must say
Sacking the coach is not going to make our players accountable for their efforts or in the case of some of them today lack of efforts
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they asked him how many young players he has bought through, he named 4. Moore,Foley, McGaune ans White.
Thats one a year. :banghead Most clubs have 3-4 players a year..
Again you take liberty with what was said to suit your purpose
What did he say after he spoke about White? Care to add that
He said he could go on .....
Yes, but he didnt.
I am astounded that you are actually sticking up for him.
And please spare me, the thought of bringing Jordon McMahon back :banghead
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I am astounded that you are actually sticking up for him.
No what I am actually doing is holding you to account for your incredible selective take on what gets said
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Give him till round 6 at least
No, nope, nah we can't do that :nope
Heaven forbid we actually win a game or the next 3 and we end up being 3-3 after 6 rounds... things would actually start to look up and that can't happen
It would just ruin the lives of some people
You live in dream world, we will battle to win next week , let alone the next 3 :banghead
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Give him till round 6 at least
No, nope, nah we can't do that :nope
Heaven forbid we actually win a game or the next 3 and we end up being 3-3 after 6 rounds... things would actually start to look up and that can't happen
It would just ruin the lives of some people
You live in dream world, we will battle to win next week , let alone the next 3 :banghead
I know that's what you want another loss....
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it seems that some of you refuse to accept that Wallet is the problem and his assistant coaches.
What you've just said is the problem daniel
You blame no-one else but Wallace and the Coaches
Do you really think that the players aren't to blame too?
I actually blame the coaching staff, not the players, there you go.
There is about 4-5 who shouldnt get a game and the game plan is rubbish to say the least, there is no structure, no quick transition and no grunt!
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UNDERSTAND THIS WP. THE PLAYERS ARE NOT PLAYING FOR WALLET NO LONGER. THEY WANT HIM OUT!
And who told you this exactly daniel? Jackstar? Or the entire playing group perhaps?
A very sweeping statement I must say
Sacking the coach is not going to make our players accountable for their efforts or in the case of some of them today lack of efforts
Oh yes it will, the players I keep in contact have NO RESPECT FOR HIM , FACT
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Give him till round 6 at least
No, nope, nah we can't do that :nope
Heaven forbid we actually win a game or the next 3 and we end up being 3-3 after 6 rounds... things would actually start to look up and that can't happen
It would just ruin the lives of some people
You live in dream world, we will battle to win next week , let alone the next 3 :banghead
And you have the credibility of Hutchison - none
You've been saying for two and a half years that Wallace was gone
Guess what, he's still here in his fifth year
Like WP said, you really should be more accountable for your wild claims :rollin
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I actually blame the coaching staff, not the players, there you go.
Really ALL the coaches?
Does that include your coach supposedly in waiting Campbell?
And please don't use the line he's only been back a couple of months
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I actually blame the coaching staff, not the players, there you go.
Really ALL the coaches?
Does that include your coach supposedly in waiting Campbell?
And please don't use the line he's only been back a couple of months
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We have been playing the same, SOFT, backwards. sideways short kicks for the past 4 years, YOU PEOPLE JUST DONT GET IT.
We had over 75% of our possesions today in the back half of the ground. How on earth as we going to kick a winning score with play and game plans like that, we dont you all open your bloody eyes and watch the game for once,.
And furthermore, whats happened to Wallets 16 goals a game plan??? Impossible now that he has everyone playing behind the ball :banghead :banghead :banghead
pointless arguing with you all.
Go to the footy and watch the game PLEASE
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I actually blame the coaching staff, not the players, there you go.
Really ALL the coaches?
Does that include your coach supposedly in waiting Campbell?
And please don't use the line he's only been back a couple of months
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We have been playing the same, SOFT, backwards. sideways short kicks for the past 4 years, YOU PEOPLE JUST DONT GET IT.
We had over 75% of our possesions today in the back half of the ground. How on earth as we going to kick a winning score with play and game plans like that, we dont you all open your bloody eyes and watch the game for once,.
And furthermore, whats happened to Wallets 16 goals a game plan??? Impossible now that he has everyone playing behind the ball :banghead :banghead :banghead
pointless arguing with you all.
Go to the footy and watch the game PLEASE
Hold on a minute
You said that you blame the coaching staff. I didn't say it you said it Jack
From that I asked a very simple question to which you again avoid answering by quoting me and then going off another rant about game plans etc.
You said you blame the coaching staff. The bloke you claim will be our next coach is part of the group that YOU blame so where exaxctly does he sit in all of this?
If you are going to make sweeping statements and aportion blame then be ready to have the answers to what I thought was a pretty obvious question
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Gee our midfield got smashed today. Great cooching Wayne. Cant wait until you get the senior gig even though eade said tonight it was way too early for you to be considered
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UNDERSTAND THIS WP. THE PLAYERS ARE NOT PLAYING FOR WALLET NO LONGER. THEY WANT HIM OUT!
And who told you this exactly daniel? Jackstar? Or the entire playing group perhaps?
A very sweeping statement I must say
Sacking the coach is not going to make our players accountable for their efforts or in the case of some of them today lack of efforts
Oh yes it will, the players I keep in contact have NO RESPECT FOR HIM , FACT
If we sacked those players you speak to, we'd definetely win our next 3 games
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William Powell, stop clutching at straws, waynes been there for 3 games. :banghead
The way they have been playing hasnt changed in the past 3 years, FACT,
Wild claims, your kidding, facts are that we arent any good , we kick way too short, we kicks sideways and backwards etc 75 % of possesions behind the centreline, what the hell is going on down there.
Go and watch the way Matty Knights coached on Saturday Night, Wayne Campbell would install the same, take risks, take the opposition on and more importantly, have a structure that works eg structured forward set up. Wayne is big on being structured up forward.
pointless going any further
watch the game
Cheers
jamie.
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by the way WP.
I have the answers, although you will be last to know ;)
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Oh yes it will, the players I keep in contact have NO RESPECT FOR HIM , FACT
That's very funny
And the ones who you aren't in contact with, which I would assume is the majoirty of the list their thoughts are what exactly?
William Powell, stop clutching at straws, waynes been there for 3 games. :banghead
Jack I am not cluctching at straws.
You made a statement and all I asked is where in your opinion did Campbell sit in all of this seeing you said that you blamed the coaching staff and the FACT is he is one of the coaching staff.
If you "blame the coaching staff" then surely Wayne is to blame too
But as I thought you would you have just excused him of any blame what so ever even though he falls under your original group to blame
You cannot have it both ways and that was my point
by the way WP.
I have the answers, although you will be last to know ;)
Am I supposed to be impressed :-\ ::)
whatever ;D
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Mail is that Mike is ""fully loaded"" tonight. ;) ;)
Should be good viewing, watching the heat being turned up tonight
Your mail was wrong again Jack, Sheahan was "soft as butter" tonight
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Mail is that Mike is ""fully loaded"" tonight. ;) ;)
Should be good viewing, watching the heat being turned up tonight
Your mail was wrong again Jack, Sheahan was "soft as butter" tonight
yeah Healy came across as the "heavy". Mike came across as well Mike ;D
I suppose it depends on where the mail came from. :rollin
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would appreciate it if somebody typed out the 'on the couch' with Wallace.
thanks guys :)
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Robert Walls needed to be on the couch tonight.....He would of asked the hard questions-just ask Mark Harvey
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would appreciate it if somebody typed out the 'on the couch' with Wallace.
thanks guys :)
Read the entire thread there are 3 detailed summaries of what was said :P
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l aint saying nothing ;D
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I really would like to know why Wallace is protecting Tambling. Has he seen something no one else has seen.
The poor excuse that he has used is only something for him to hide behind.
I know what it is like with a new kid in the house and a screaming one at that.
If he isn't up to the job he should be dropped, and cut making excuses for him.
He was resigned way too early in my mind, and now he is taking the mantle of Kane Johnson. BAD.
Tambling may put in but it isn't in the game as he runs on the outside of the pack all the time.
I have hardly seen him put his body on the line ever. Not to say he hasn't done it but recently he is just skimming the pack.
And this all comes down to the game plan of Wallace, he needs to fix it quick.
The players are playing the way they are being trained. And it is showing up badly on the feild.
Keep this up and we will be lucky to keep half our members.
And I think Wallace should have eyes on his back as heaps are gunning for him now.
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The thing that annoyed me the most about the interview last night was the bit on Edwards. They showed some footage of him and his poor kick into our FP against Geelong that went straight to them. They asked Wallace what should Edwards have done in that situation.
Wallace replied something like "He should have held it up a bit and looked laterally for other options"
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Edwards was 55m out from goal. All he had to do was to get past one opponent and he was clear for a shot at goal from 45 dead in front.
The answer should have been:
"Edwards should have used his natural evasive ability to get past his opponent and have a shot. If he got caught or got in trouble, he should then look laterally for team mates"
This poor answer by Wallace highlighted a couple of things for me:
1) We are not using the natural abilities of our players. Edwards is an attacking player. He looks lost at the moment and I blame that 100% on the coaching staff.
2) We are trying to progress to goals inch by inch instead of long, direct and fast. This is why Riewoldt and Schulz look so out of sorts at the moment and I too blame that on the coaching. Hopeless.
That answer also smacks of a coaching panel that is copying other teams' plans instead of formulating one of it's own.
We are paying over $1 million of OUR money each year for these idiots to coach our players. :banghead
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The thing that annoyed me the most about the interview last night was the bit on Edwards. They showed some footage of him and his poor kick into our FP against Geelong that went straight to them. They asked Wallace what should Edwards have done in that situation.
Wallace replied something like "He should have held it up a bit and looked laterally for other options"
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Edwards was 55m out from goal. All he had to do was to get past one opponent and he was clear for a shot at goal from 45 dead in front.
The answer should have been:
"Edwards should have used his natural evasive ability to get past his opponent and have a shot. If he got caught or got in trouble, he should then look laterally for team mates"
This poor answer by Wallace highlighted a couple of things for me:
1) We are not using the natural abilities of our players. Edwards is an attacking player. He looks lost at the moment and I blame that 100% on the coaching staff.
2) We are trying to progress to goals inch by inch instead of long, direct and fast. This is why Riewoldt and Schulz look so out of sorts at the moment and I too blame that on the coaching. Hopeless.
That answer also smacks of a coaching panel that is copying other teams' plans instead of formulating one of it's own.
We are paying over $1 million of OUR money each year for these idiots to coach our players. :banghead
Who remembers Edwards first game, against Adelaide.
Tried taking them on, even took on McLeod, was cocky and confident. He got caught a couple times, but it was ok because he was having a crack and trying to make things happen.
Wallace stifles players and stops them from playing their natural game!!
Remember Foley bursting out of the centre 2 years ago and popping a couple of goals through against Collingwood, and doing it a couple more times against other opposition?? Whatever happened to that?
Even Tambling in his first NAB game, racing through the guts and kicking a supergoal.
They have had all their confidence sapped by Wallace. It seems that anytime a player shows some flair and does something exciting, they get told to stop doing it. :banghead
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Richmond need to:
Take a deep breath and take stock. Not too many experts picked us to beat Geelong or the Dogs and Carlton were favourites!!!! Still disapointing but I know most jerno's take great pleasure watching us eat out own.
In my veiw the game plan does not work ,we don't have the skill to carry it off. Do you go man on man or flood but its too early in the season to make wholesale changes. To change the coach at this stage acheives nothing and to throw kids in that are struggleing in the 2"s is counter productive - we do have a few that should come in though.
Moving forward, TW can't blame others if we fall in a heap as he has 5years to develop the list and develop a winning game plan. I belive the problem with the list is we continue to pick up other clubs discards and I'm not talking about Cuz as he was last pick in the total draft and the marketing value alone made it worthwhile.
In summary, I hope someone at the club has a long term plan that we stick to, other wise its just depressing!
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Richmond need to:
Take a deep breath and take stock. Not too many experts picked us to beat Geelong or the Dogs and Carlton were favourites!!!! Still disapointing but I know most jerno's take great pleasure watching us eat out own.
:clapping :clapping Exactly
In my veiw the game plan does not work ,we don't have the skill to carry it off. Do you go man on man or flood but its too early in the season to make wholesale changes. To change the coach at this stage acheives nothing and to throw kids in that are struggleing in the 2"s is counter productive - we do have a few that should come in though.
Last 11 games of 2008 we played man on man attacking footy, we ran the lines, created space but above all else we got hard running off the backline. So far in 2009 we have had that for a total of 2 and half quarters.
That's should be our game plan, I reckon it is that it is game plan.
throwing kids to the wolves for the sake of it isn't the answer but certainly those who deserve a shot should be given one