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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 02, 2009, 11:09:48 PM
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Jon Ralph from the Herald-Sun was on the Fifth Quarter tonight and he said Richmond and Melbourne may not be able to go for 5 or 6 kids this year because this year's draft is weak - little star talent and lacking depth. That's on top of GC17 getting the twelve best 17 year olds. Ralph also said clubs may draft picks away for players to compensate.
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I've read otherwise, however very few drafts are deep enough to get solid players in the 5th and 6th rounds.
The raising of the draft age last year means more kids qualified for this year, however GC17 will get to take the best bottom agers out of the draft which weakens it a little bit.
There are a couple of decent talls, but not many, quite a few good mids though. Glad we went tall in the last draft.
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We need do the proper reaseach / due diligence, for too meny years we have been foolish and listens to those who don't know or just like to suck us in because we were dumb!
I am sure you all know the examples.
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There is still quality at the top end so I think saying it's a weak draft is a cop out. John Butcher would've been top 5 last year if he was eligible and he should be top 5 again this year. The hardest part of this draft is clubs will be unwillinging to trade away high picks before GC17 comes in.
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Id like us to get a KPF but if we cant then Scully would be ok to - he would add to our mids. At this stage my hope is
1st Round Tom Scully
2nd Round Ben Griffiths
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Scully and Butcher would be in the top 3 at this stage. Early days though at this time of the year.
2008 U18 Champ highlights:
Tom Scully - 15/05/1991 - 182cm - 74kg - Dandenong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTAm5DluQf0
John Butcher - 03/07/1991 - 197cm - 84kg - Gippsland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDa74UishA&feature=related
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Melbourne recruiter Barry Prendergast's view on this year's draft....
The new Gold Coast club will then have exclusive access to a dozen 17-year-olds born from January 1 to April 30, 1992, a group that under previous rules would have been available to all AFL scouts.
The changing landscape means Melbourne recruiting manager Barry Prendergast is planning for a weakened draft in November.
"It's not going to be as strong as last year by the sheer fact that potentially 33 per cent of the draft isn't going to be there with those under-17s out," Prendergast told afl.com.au.
"But I don't think the draft is as strong at the top end as it was last year, because players who were left over from the AIS squad the year before like Nick Naitanui, Tyrone Vickery, Daniel Rich and Hamish Hartlett don't appear to be left over."
Prendergast said the 2008 draft pool was an exceptional year.
"I think history will probably judge last year's draft as pretty rich in terms of talent, and that's starting to come through," he said.
"As to how deep [this year's draft] is, I don't think you can really judge that until the championships.
"I think a lot of teams probably looked to load up on last year's draft and maybe they'll look the other way this year."
Prendergast said trading or retaining players on lists may also become a greater option at the end of the year.
"The other side of it is that clubs might decide to hang onto some of their players and they might look at their players on their list and think that they're a bit more 'glass half-full' than empty," he said.
"They might look at their own playing stocks in relation to the draft itself, so I'd imagine trading will be dependent on recruiting staff and coaching staff getting together and evaluating lists versus the draft as clubs always do in this situation."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/76860/default.aspx
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we need to continue to invest in the rookie draft, already we are seeing divs with Nahas and Browne looking likely...thats a great return from 4 picks with gourdis and gilligan still largely untried and silvestor capable enough should we need him...I would shift the focus to key marking forwards...rookie 3 of them in hope at least one is ok :gotigers
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Being a veteran, Joel retiring will open up another rookie spot next year. It will also allow us the opportunity to promote one of the rookies without needing a senior listed teammate to go onto the LTIL. On top of that IIRC clubs will be allowed 8 rookies due to the Gold Coast taking the 17 year olds.
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Has Gilligan put on any weight at all?
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Scully and Butcher would be in the top 3 at this stage. Early days though at this time of the year.
2008 U18 Champ highlights:
Tom Scully - 15/05/1991 - 182cm - 74kg - Dandenong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTAm5DluQf0
John Butcher - 03/07/1991 - 197cm - 84kg - Gippsland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDa74UishA&feature=related
Can tell you Butcher is a talented player but there are many more players out there like him
dont anybody be fooled about drafts not having players of top quality
backmen are hardly ever mentioned in best players & write ups, its always the rave for the ball getters & goal kickers
unless your viewing TAC games live dont go by what you read in the papers cause people like Ralph hardly leave the office
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Scully and Butcher would be in the top 3 at this stage. Early days though at this time of the year.
2008 U18 Champ highlights:
Tom Scully - 15/05/1991 - 182cm - 74kg - Dandenong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTAm5DluQf0
John Butcher - 03/07/1991 - 197cm - 84kg - Gippsland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDa74UishA&feature=related
Can tell you Butcher is a talented player but there are many more players out there like him
dont anybody be fooled about drafts not having players of top quality
backmen are hardly ever mentioned in best players & write ups, its always the rave for the ball getters & goal kickers
unless your viewing TAC games live dont go by what you read in the papers cause people like Ralph hardly leave the office
I wasn't basing my opinion on what I read in the papers or on the net. I've seen Butcher play live last year in the U18 champs. The kid can play and would've been a top 10 pick if not top 5 last year if he was eligible. Why I've pointed him out at this still early stage is we need at the very least a gun big key forward (two would be better) to add to our list and as they develop straighten us up as a team. If the best available at our first pick is a talented young big key forward then it's a no brainer.
I agree TM that it's too early to judge properly the quality and depth of this upcoming draft yet.
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Melbourne scouts are monitoring the progress of Butcher closely.
l have overheard would be glad to have him in the forward-line with Watts as they are building thier side for the future just like Hawks did with Roughhead & Franklin
Pushed hard by his father as well who ya need a crowbar to get him off his back ;D
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Question ? If we finish say last or second last and Melbourne dont win 5 games what paick do we get assuming we dont win more than 5 games also.
And looking forward to draft day as its the only thing left to wait for what type of player can we expect to get at 1, 2 or 3.
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Don't rule out West Coast either, though they should win 4+ games.
Melbourne finish bottom with less than 5 wins - they get pick 1, 2 and 17
We finish 2nd last with less than 5 wins - We get pick 3 and a priority for example pick 18 and 20.
We finish bottom with less than 5 and Melbourne 2nd last with less than 5 it's the Carlton scenario again.
We get pick two, Melbourne get 1 and 3
We finish bottom and Melbourne AND West Coast win less than 5 games we get pick 3!! :banghead
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Because of Collingwood in 2005 boasting how they deliberately put senior players into surgery early to get Thomas and Pendlebury, the AFL don't want to reward clubs who have one bad year. So because we went spoon, up to ninth and now back down to bottom 2, we not only miss out on the priority pick before the first round we also get punished because other clubs finish with 4 wins or less two years in a row and jump ahead of us ::).
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Whilst the draft is vital and in particular our first 4 picks this year (our 4th pick should be in the mid 30s) we shouldnt rule out player for player trades. Nathan Foley seems to be struggling...and he is a mid that can be replaced in my honest opinion. We should put up 1 or 2 name players- and see if we can get a player for player trade. Key forwards are what we need. So every key forward who is out of contract needs to be looked at. If we have luck we will have the 1st pick in the PSD as well. This draft and trade period is probably the most important in a long long time.
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Don't rule out West Coast either, though they should win 4+ games.
Melbourne finish bottom with less than 5 wins - they get pick 1, 2 and 17
We finish 2nd last with less than 5 wins - We get pick 3 and a priority for example pick 18 and 20.
We finish bottom with less than 5 and Melbourne 2nd last with less than 5 it's the Carlton scenario again.
We get pick two, Melbourne get 1 and 3
We finish bottom and Melbourne AND West Coast win less than 5 games we get pick 3!! :banghead
Now that is depressing!
How the stuff can a side finish last and not get pick 1. That's a stuffing disgrace!!!!
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Melbourne scouts are monitoring the progress of Butcher closely.
l have overheard would be glad to have him in the forward-line with Watts as they are building thier side for the future just like Hawks did with Roughhead & Franklin
Pushed hard by his father as well who ya need a crowbar to get him off his back ;D
It's going to be hard to see the Dees win 4 more games and miss out on the early priority pick. They really only have a chance in the following games and they'll be underdogs in all of them:
R11 vs Collingwood (if the Pies still have their injury woes by then)
R14 vs Eagles at the 'G
R18 vs Us
R19 vs North
R20 vs Freo at the 'G
Worst case scenario for us is they finish with the spoon and end up with the first two picks grabbing both Butcher and Scully. It's still early days so here's hoping another key forward steps big time up in the U18 champs (like Watts did last year) so there's another option or a player slips (Rich for example) to our pick whatever it is. We still ended up with Cotchin last time when Carlton got the early PP so things can still work out for the best.
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I posted this on the draft board as well but just a reminder that the final two weeks of the U18 Championships will be held in Melbourne with the final round having all 4 games back-to-back-to-back-to-back at Docklands. The AFL are expecting a crowd of 10,000 to turn up :o.
Anyone from here planning to go this year?
Remaining fixture:
Round Four
Friday, June 26
NSW/ACT v South Australia at Visy Park, 2.45pm
Saturday, June 27
Vic Metro v Queensland at Casey Fields, 11am
Vic Country v Northern Territory at Casey Fields, 1pm
Tasmania v Western Australia at Casey Fields, 3pm
Round Five
Wednesday, July 1
Tasmania v NSW/ACT at Docklands, 9.35am
Queensland v Northern Territory at Docklands, 11.40am
Vic Country v Western Australia at Docklands, 1.45pm
Vic Metro v South Australia at Docklands, 3.50pm
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/79245/default.aspx
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Melbourne scouts are monitoring the progress of Butcher closely.
l have overheard would be glad to have him in the forward-line with Watts as they are building thier side for the future just like Hawks did with Roughhead & Franklin
Pushed hard by his father as well who ya need a crowbar to get him off his back ;D
It's going to be hard to see the Dees win 4 more games and miss out on the early priority pick. They really only have a chance in the following games and they'll be underdogs in all of them:
R11 vs Collingwood (if the Pies still have their injury woes by then)
R14 vs Eagles at the 'G
R18 vs Us
R19 vs North
R20 vs Freo at the 'G
Worst case scenario for us is they finish with the spoon and end up with the first two picks grabbing both Butcher and Scully. It's still early days so here's hoping another key forward steps big time up in the U18 champs (like Watts did last year) so there's another option or a player slips (Rich for example) to our pick whatever it is. We still ended up with Cotchin last time when Carlton got the early PP so things can still work out for the best.
I reckon we need a top 3 pick. That leaves us with a list that has Lids, Cotch, Tambling and xxx as Top 5 picks.
Then we have to get a bit of a break with the pick itself - need a buddy or a riewoldt. And that is in the lap of the gods
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I'm hoping to go next Wednesday to the Dome. Worth going if you can.
Melbourne scouts are monitoring the progress of Butcher closely.
l have overheard would be glad to have him in the forward-line with Watts as they are building thier side for the future just like Hawks did with Roughhead & Franklin
Pushed hard by his father as well who ya need a crowbar to get him off his back ;D
It's going to be hard to see the Dees win 4 more games and miss out on the early priority pick. They really only have a chance in the following games and they'll be underdogs in all of them:
R11 vs Collingwood (if the Pies still have their injury woes by then)
R14 vs Eagles at the 'G
R18 vs Us
R19 vs North
R20 vs Freo at the 'G
Worst case scenario for us is they finish with the spoon and end up with the first two picks grabbing both Butcher and Scully. It's still early days so here's hoping another key forward steps big time up in the U18 champs (like Watts did last year) so there's another option or a player slips (Rich for example) to our pick whatever it is. We still ended up with Cotchin last time when Carlton got the early PP so things can still work out for the best.
I reckon we need a top 3 pick. That leaves us with a list that has Lids, Cotch, Tambling and xxx as Top 5 picks.
Then we have to get a bit of a break with the pick itself - need a buddy or a riewoldt. And that is in the lap of the gods
I can't see the Dees winning another game. They might pinch one but that still gives them the first two picks unless the Eagles keep their wins below 4 then they get pick 2 as a PP and we get pushed back in the order even further :-\.
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So is our worst case senario pick 4 then 18 & 19?
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So is our worst case senario pick 4 then 18 & 19?
No, we're more than likely going to miss the priority pick so it will only be one 2nd round pick.
And if we win a few we could easily end up with pick 5 or 6 if the Kangas and Sydney nose dive abd that would give us about 23-24 in the 2nd round.
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Fremantle could also shut up shop early this year and finish below us >:(
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Win 3-4 games on the run home and we could easily end up with something like picks 7, 24, 40, 56, etc. So despite only winning 6 or 7 games for the year it'd be equivalent to finishing 10th if there were no PPs. Sheer stupidity :help.
1. Melb (pp)
2. WC (pp)
3. Melb
4. WC
5. Freo
6. North
7. Rich
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18. Geel
19. Freo (pp)
20. Melb
21. WC
22. Freo
23. North
24. Rich
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40. Rich
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56. Rich
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Geezuz MT now I am scared.... :o
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We finish bottom and Melbourne AND West Coast win less than 5 games we get pick 3!! :banghead
:-[
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Geezuz MT now I am scared.... :o
lol
Best case scenario from here now is we stay under 4 wins and hopefully the Eagles (I doubt it as they are tanking) and Freo win more than 4 (two more wins each). I can't see Melbourne not winning the spoon. Leaves us with picks 3, 18, 20, 36, 52.
1. Melb (pp)
2. Melb
3. Rich
4. Freo
5. WC
6. North
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17. Geel
18. Rich (pp)
19. Melb
20. Rich
21. Freo
22. WC
23. North
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36. Rich
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52. Rich
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The Herald-Sun's top 4
The Vic Metro and Dandenong Stingrays captain Tom Scully has long been touted as a top draft pick, alongside Vic Country's John Butcher, South Australia's Jack Trengove and Western Australia's Anthony Morabito.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25716346-19742,00.html
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West Coast probably wont get the priority pick now ... so thats a benefit for us. We need to continue to lose.
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Draft falls short of tall prospects
Emma Quayle | July 2, 2009
A TOP 10 dominated by strong-bodied, versatile midfielders, a small, inconsistent group of taller talent and a shallow draft pool these were among the recruiters' thoughts heading into the challenging last half of their season.
Western Australia won its second under-18 title in three years yesterday, wrapping up the national championships with a 48-point win over Vic Country while placing another large bunch of future AFL players on show.
Where Jack Watts, Nick Naitanui, Michael Hurley and Tyrone Vickery were entrenched at the top of the draft order by this time last year, the talk is all about onballers: Tom Scully, Jack Trengove and Anthony Morabito, above others.
Scully is a pure midfielder: he can find the ball in packs, feed it out and find targets under pressure. As the most talked-about player leading into the championships, he has found the ball and used it well in a team that has struggled.
Trengove is a bold player and his marking ability makes him a promising forward-line prospect.
Morabito stands at 190 centimetres, weighs 90 kilograms and is quick: he is not your everyday wingman. Both players, as well as Scully, would not look out of place in an AFL side at the weekend.
Among the other well-regarded onballers are Koby Stevens, Ben Cunnington, Dustin Martin and Gary Rohan, all of whom can play in multiple spots.
This year's top group is not quite as big as last year's, or quite as gifted. But the midfielders' strength and flexibility, said Collingwood recruiting manager Derek Hine, gave the current group its point of difference.
"There weren't too many like that last year," he said. "You had Daniel Rich, and a couple others were playing senior footy, but they weren't as ready physically. But this year there's a real group of midfield/utility types who have really got the bodies to come in and play pretty much straight away."
On the flipside, the better taller prospects have been harder to identify. John Butcher is the best of them, despite not having a dominant carnival. He has been double-teamed on occasions and played yesterday with a chipped bone in his thumb.
South Australian Matthew Panos made people notice him, kicking 14 goals in the five-match series and proving the most consistent tall target. Jack stuff has played forward, back and in the ruck, but faded in and out of games. Ben Griffiths had a lousy preparation due to injury, Daniel Talia has looked impressive up forward for Vic Metro and Jake Carlisle (Metro) hasn't played a heap of game time, while Dylan Jones (Metro) looms as a key-position prospect despite spending a lot of the championships in the ruck.
Others will emerge, but it is difficult to see many talls, other than Butcher, and perhaps Gippsland ruckman Nathan Vardy, pushing into the top 10 at this early stage.
"There just aren't many of them," said Adelaide recruiting manager Matt Rendell. "Last year was a great tall draft, but there aren't too many in there this year."
Of the overall depth, Rendell felt that a full round of talent had essentially been removed: had the draft age not been changed, he said, 20 players (12 of whom can be signed by the Gold Coast as 17-year-olds this year) would certainly be in the mix. The fact that Queensland players are off limits and the better NSW players are on AFL club scholarships has also affected the depth: a handful of good Tasmanian players aside, the clubs basically will be drafting from the four division-one sides, as well as any extras they find in the state leagues.
Rendell thinks the talent will dry up by the end of the third round and expects clubs to elevate a record number of rookies this year.
"It will be really interesting to see what happens and what clubs decide to do. You'll be able to tell what they think when they decide whether to keep players on for another year or not. I think there's a bit more depth in next year's draft."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/draft-short-of-tall-prospects/2009/07/01/1246127579841.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Scully or Trengrove likely to go at No. 1 in AFL draft
Matt Windley | July 02, 2009
NEARLY four months out from the AFL draft, the battle to become the No. 1 pick is a race in two.
While Tom Scully and Jack Trengove did not turn in their best performances on the final day of the under-18 national championships at Etihad Stadium yesterday, both showed glimpses of their sublime talent.
South Australian Trengove had 15 disposals in SA's 12-point win against Vic Metro.
Metro captain Scully had 27 touches and a goal.
Scully, wearing tape across his nose after copping a first-quarter knock, underlined his class in the third quarter by kicking the goal of the day.
He took the ball on the wing, handed off, received the ball back and handballed again before receiving the ball for a final time, weaving out of traffic and slotting a goal on the run from 30m.
According to AIS-AFL Academy high-performance coach Jason McCartney, Scully sits just ahead of Trengove in the pecking order.
"He (Scully) has been sitting at No. 1 probably since last year and I think he'd still be there," McCartney said.
"But Trengove is really challenging.
"Both are midfielders, but different. Scully's a real explosive midfielder, creative by hands, an inside player as well. Trengove's an inside player but probably more powerful, but has that ability forward with the overhead marking. Tom probably doesn't do that as much, but continually wins the footy around the stoppages."
McCartney, who has worked with this year's draft crop during the past two years, also was full of praise for Western Australia's Anthony Morabito.
The 190cm midfielder underlined his class with 17 disposals and two goals in WA's 48-point win against Vic Country.
"Morabito's a real wildcard because he doesn't need to get hold of the footy that much," McCartney said.
"He can have it 18 times and be best on ground because he's got X-factor all over him. He's a fantastic size, he's a wonderful athlete."
WA claimed the national championship, while NSW-ACT won the division two title courtesy of a 37-point win against Tasmania.
The standout for the Rams was captain Dylan McNeil, who won the Harris Medal for the best player in division two.
Victoria's John Butcher, considered almost a certainty for the No. 1 pick at the start of the year, has struggled with injury in recent times.
He kicked 2.1 from five kicks yesterday, and one recruiter said he needed to improve his goalkicking to become a real presence up forward.
SA's Matthew Panos may have surpassed Butcher as the best key-forward prospect in the draft pool.
The exceptional performance of the day came from Bendigo's Dustin Martin, who gathered 28 disposals and a goal in a best-on-ground performance for Vic Country.
WA's Kane Lucas (24 disposals), SA's Alex Carey (21), Vic Country's Gary Rohan (16) and Ben Cunnington (23), Vic Metro's Daniel Talia (24) and Northern Territory's Scott Taylor (27) and Roland Ah Chee (25) were other impressive performers.
In a pointer to draft day, all are midfielders.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25720258-19742,00.html
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Tom Scully barracks for Richmond. Just our luck we'll miss out on him :banghead
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Tom Scully barracks for Richmond. Just our luck we'll miss out on him :banghead
yep ... but if he puts in a shocker at the draft camp and interviews badly at the draft camp then Melbourne may go cold. Its up to him I reckon, he needs to show Melbourne that he isnt interested in there club and he'll be leaving as soon as his first contract is up.
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Tom Scully barracks for Richmond. Just our luck we'll miss out on him :banghead
Aha, the reports I have read said he is practically a complete footballer, but it would seem he does have a flaw.
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Tom Scully barracks for Richmond. Just our luck we'll miss out on him :banghead
yep ... but if he puts in a shocker at the draft camp and interviews badly at the draft camp then Melbourne may go cold. Its up to him I reckon, he needs to show Melbourne that he isnt interested in there club and he'll be leaving as soon as his first contract is up.
A bit late for Scully to tank now sadly. That goal he kicked running from half-back receiving and dishing off one-two handballs before slotting it home from 40m was brilliant. Off to the Dees sadly :(. It would take a major injury to stop him going No.1. Butcher on the other hand had a couple of ordinary games in the Carnival so he could still slip to our first pick if the Dees go for another mid in Trengove or Morabito. Remember Buddy slipped to 5 because his Carnival was ho-hum.
What would be a top 10 at the moment?
1. Melb - Scully
2. Melb - Trengove
3. Freo - Morabito
4. Rich - Butcher
5. WCE - Lucas
6. NM - Martin
7. Syd - Stevens
8. Port - Rohan
9. Haw - stuff
10. Carl - Cunnington
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Matthew Panos is our man!
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Matthew Panos is our man!
:)
In the 3rd round he would be, I wouldnt be picking him before 30 odd picks have come beforehand.
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Tom Scully barracks for Richmond. Just our luck we'll miss out on him :banghead
yep ... but if he puts in a shocker at the draft camp and interviews badly at the draft camp then Melbourne may go cold. Its up to him I reckon, he needs to show Melbourne that he isnt interested in there club and he'll be leaving as soon as his first contract is up.
A bit late for Scully to tank now sadly. That goal he kicked running from half-back receiving and dishing off one-two handballs before slotting it home from 40m was brilliant. Off to the Dees sadly :(. It would take a major injury to stop him going No.1. Butcher on the other hand had a couple of ordinary games in the Carnival so he could still slip to our first pick if the Dees go for another mid in Trengove or Morabito. Remember Buddy slipped to 5 because his Carnival was ho-hum.
What would be a top 10 at the moment?
1. Melb - Scully
2. Melb - Trengove
3. Freo - Morabito
4. Rich - Butcher
5. WCE - Lucas
6. NM - Martin
7. Syd - Stevens
8. Port - Rohan
9. Haw - stuff
10. Carl - Cunnington
Id rather Martin than Butcher in the hope that Griffiths or Talia are available in the 2nd round. I wonder what pick Sydney would offer us for Foley ;)
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Even in this year's draft GC17 are ripping the guts out of it.
Gold Coast strikes rich vein of talent
Emma Quayle | July 5, 2009
IT'S time to start getting scared. Until now, the draft concessions assigned to the Gold Coast team have simply been a set of numbers, if a very nice set. But by the time recruiting manager Scott Clayton has pieced together his 2011 squad, he will have gotten his hands on the equivalent of about 20 first-round draft picks, and possibly a few more.
The Gold Coast can nominate a dozen 17-year-olds (players born between January 1 and April 30, 1992) by the end of this year and, according to the recruiters, six, seven or even eight of them would be pushing for a first-round place if they were available to everyone this year.
Had he been in this year's draft, Josh Toy, a smart, rebounding half-back destined to end up in the middle, would be rivalling Tom Scully for No. 1 draft pick honours; he could have played for his beloved Bombers last Friday night, so ready for senior football does he already look.
Tasmanian midfielder Luke Russell also looks like a first-rounder, and clubs would be investigating heavily the injury problems of the hard-running, ultra-classy Maverick Weller. On ability, he would be a top-five or 10 pick.
Trent McKenzie, Alex Keath, Matt Shaw, Brandon Matera, Hayden Jolly and Tom Nicholls are other potential first-rounders to be attached to the Gold Coast soon. Another three Jack Hutchins, Piers Flanagan and Blayne Wilson are also in the mix, and others are certain to emerge in the last part of the year.
With access to 20 Queenslanders and Northern Territory players this season and next, the Coast will sign the sublimely gifted Troy Taylor (another likely first-round pick this year) should he agree, and his good friend Steven May, already an imposing forward, is another chance.
Obviously, there is a lot still to happen before the 2010 draft in which the Gold Coast has the first three selections, nine of the first 15 picks and a choice at the start of every round takes place. But three players already seem to have distinguished themselves from the pack: midfielder David Swallow, his West Australian teammate Jack Darling, a smart, tallish forward, and Scott Lycett, an incredibly agile 204-centimetre ruckman from near the SA and WA border.
Full article at:
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/gold-coasts-rich-talent/2009/07/04/1246127735755.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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That is no good. :P
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Not at all, would make even the most Anti tanker person think twice about how we should finish up this year
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Given how many of this year's best kids are bottom age, GC17 are getting a massive free kick. I don't think the existing clubs realised what they were agreeing to when they did. They'd be having second thoughts now but it's too late. Still there's enough quality in the first 20-25 for us to well out of this upcoming draft if we've done our homework, play for the future in the final rounds to get the best picks, and make sure we hang onto them.
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Tom Scully barracks for Richmond. Just our luck we'll miss out on him :banghead
Tom would love to come to Richmond, he's good mates with Tyrone and have had a few jokes about getting drafted to Richmond.
He thinks he is a chance to get drafted to Richmond and gets revved up a bit about going number 1 by the boys but just hopes he can get drafted. I think deep down he knows he will get drafted, he keeps a very level head and just focuses on things he can control.
As like any kid he simply just wants to get drafted but if he had a choice I promise everyone he'd take Richmond without blinking.
Just breaks my heart.
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Tom Scully barracks for Richmond. Just our luck we'll miss out on him :banghead
Tom would love to come to Richmond, he's good mates with Tyrone and have had a few jokes about getting drafted to Richmond.
He thinks he is a chance to get drafted to Richmond and gets revved up a bit about going number 1 by the boys but just hopes he can get drafted. I think deep down he knows he will get drafted, he keeps a very level head and just focuses on things he can control.
As like any kid he simply just wants to get drafted but if he had a choice I promise everyone he'd take Richmond without blinking.
Just breaks my heart.
Tom should go to the draft camp do his tests as good as he can but when he goes to the interview with Melbourne he should be a idiot act arrogant and tell them hes leaving in 2 years. Maybe Melbourne would take Trengove instead.
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If only it was moral for me to tell him that lol.
As every kid in the U/18's they still have 1% of doubt that they might not get picked up so Tom as any kid would will do the right thing by himself and just try and get drafted and put on his best show.
So many kids come through the system with "Hey guys, I have Terry Wallaces number, he called me last night" etc etc. And don't get drafted and are so confused. Not 1 kid that has gone through the system has never thought of "not getting drafted".
Tom may go number 2 it comes down to Melbournes preference. Unfortunately I think Melbourne will have pick 1 and 2.
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Melbourne's recruiter Barry Prendergast has Scully and Trengove going top 3. The AFL site has his thoughts on the final U18 Carnival day.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/80294/default.aspx
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Rumour on 3aw is a top draft pick won't nominate for the draft if Freo has first pick. Allegedly it's Tom Scully but 3aw won't name names.
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Rumour on 3aw is a top draft pick won't nominate for the draft if Freo has first pick. Allegedly it's Tom Scully but 3aw won't name names.
Rumour is rubbish. Scully's manager came on and said Tom will be happy to just be drafted and will go anywhere.
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Draft could move to prime time, AFL confirms
afl.com.au
By Matthew Price Wed 22 July, 2009
THE 2009 NAB AFL Draft will take place on a Thursday evening, if an AFL proposal before clubs comes to fruition.
Under the proposal the draft would begin at 6.30pm AEST on Thursday November 26, and be broadcast live on Fox Sports.
The AFL is also canvassing a revised running order, with the first 10 picks conducted as a countdown from 10 to one. The remainder of the draft would then continue as normal from pick 11 upwards.
The League tabled the proposal on Wednesday at a meeting with football managers from all 16 clubs.
If clubs reject the proposal, the draft will go ahead as scheduled on Saturday, November 28.
AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson said booming interest in the draft justified the move.
The NAB AFL Draft is now one of the largest media events in our game, and the next step in the drafts evolution is for the AFL to consider a prime-time evening event, he said.
A number of other key football items were discussed at Wednesday's meeting, including:
* The recent proposal to allow clubs to trade rookie list players during trade week
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/81199/default.aspx
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Everything about televising it is good except for the countdown from 10.
That part is a joke. Televise it live and in order, in the order of the bloody draft. :banghead
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If it's one of the biggest media events and has booming interest then put it back on free to air so everyone can watch it.
As for a top 10 countdown ???. I'll stick to listening to the draft live on SEN especially when we'll have a top 5 pick :yep.
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I actually like the idea of a top 10 countdown. Makes the number one choice more of an anticipated decision rather than the first cab off the rank. To be honest I wouldn't mind the whole draft to be televised in reverse order. By the tim you got to the top 10 there would still be some uncertainity to the picks.
Just me of course but I always like a bit of drama and excitment when it comes to sport. That's why I barrack for Richmond! :thumbsup :gotigers
Stripes
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I actually like the idea of a top 10 countdown. Makes the number one choice more of an anticipated decision rather than the first cab off the rank. To be honest I wouldn't mind the whole draft to be televised in reverse order. By the tim you got to the top 10 there would still be some uncertainity to the picks.
Just me of course but I always like a bit of drama and excitment when it comes to sport. That's why I barrack for Richmond! :thumbsup :gotigers
Stripes
I agree with Stripes. I think the countdown would be excellent. The only concern is the problem of leak because for there to be a countdown, the AFL would need to know before hand the order of picks.
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I actually like the idea of a top 10 countdown. Makes the number one choice more of an anticipated decision rather than the first cab off the rank. To be honest I wouldn't mind the whole draft to be televised in reverse order. By the tim you got to the top 10 there would still be some uncertainity to the picks.
But surely the number one pick would be obvious (after going from 10 through 2). I'm not for it.
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I actually like the idea of a top 10 countdown. Makes the number one choice more of an anticipated decision rather than the first cab off the rank. To be honest I wouldn't mind the whole draft to be televised in reverse order. By the tim you got to the top 10 there would still be some uncertainity to the picks.
But surely the number one pick would be obvious (after going from 10 through 2). I'm not for it.
Yes the closer you get to No 1 the narrower the likely choices but it would remain interesting all the way until the last 3 when everyone would be guessing which order (at least currently) Scully, Tregrove and Butcher goes? Most people find their teams first choice the most interesting/anticipated so if you did the draft in the opposite order the best would be kept to last. Linking the top 10/20 with some brief footage of their TAC form after their selection would also be a nice touch.
I'm sure their would be those who could start to predict choices as the list narrows but there would always be uncertainity. If Betting companies were involved (which is hard to police as clubs always seem to leak their likely first selection - particularly the those with the earliest picks) you would have to stop betting when the actual draft is held rather than when it is televised.
I just think it would make the whole draft selection a bit more exciting, a bit like the Brownlow is now run.
Again just my opinion
Stripes
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This isn't on the web so I scanned it in. Both WA clubs may overlook Scully and go for local kids :thumbsup
Eyes on local talent
By JAY CLARK
Sunday Herald-Sun | 26 JUL 2009, Page S15
WEST Coast and Fremantle will seriously consider overlooking Tom Scully at this year's draft, fearing he will return home to Victoria.
It has become increasingly likely each of the two West Australian clubs would choose local wingman Anthony Morabito over onballer Scully if they received the prized first pick.
The Dockers and Eagles won't finalise draft plans until after the season, but remain haunted by the recent loss of Victorian recruits Chris Judd and Robert Warnock.
It means Melbourne and Richmond may not have to finish last or earn a controversial priority pick to secure Scully, widely regarded as the best player in the system.
Chiefs of the two WA clubs are believed to have discussed the issue privately and expressed concern about using a first-round pick on an interstate teen over an outstanding local talent. Both clubs have used their first picks on local players at the past two national drafts.
POSSIBLE TOP 10
Tom Scully Vic (midfield)
Jack Trengove SA (midfield/forward)
Anthony Morabito WA (midfield)
John Butcher Vic (key forward)
Ben Cunnington Vic (midfield/defender)
Kane Lucas WA (wing/half-back)
Koby Stevens Vic (midfield)
Gary Rohan Vic (midfield/defender)
Dustin Martin Vic (onballer)
Andrew Moore Vic (midfield/forward)
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This isn't on the web so I scanned it in. Both WA clubs may overlook Scully and go for local kids :thumbsup
Eyes on local talent
By JAY CLARK
Sunday Herald-Sun | 26 JUL 2009, Page S15
WEST Coast and Fremantle will seriously consider overlooking Tom Scully at this year's draft, fearing he will return home to Victoria.
It has become increasingly likely each of the two West Australian clubs would choose local wingman Anthony Morabito over onballer Scully if they received the prized first pick.
The Dockers and Eagles won't finalise draft plans until after the season, but remain haunted by the recent loss of Victorian recruits Chris Judd and Robert Warnock.
It means Melbourne and Richmond may not have to finish last or earn a controversial priority pick to secure Scully, widely regarded as the best player in the system.
Chiefs of the two WA clubs are believed to have discussed the issue privately and expressed concern about using a first-round pick on an interstate teen over an outstanding local talent. Both clubs have used their first picks on local players at the past two national drafts.
POSSIBLE TOP 10
Tom Scully Vic (midfield)
Jack Trengove SA (midfield/forward)
Anthony Morabito WA (midfield)
John Butcher Vic (key forward)
Ben Cunnington Vic (midfield/defender)
Kane Lucas WA (wing/half-back)
Koby Stevens Vic (midfield)
Gary Rohan Vic (midfield/defender)
Dustin Martin Vic (onballer)
Andrew Moore Vic (midfield/forward)
so now its just down to melbourne and us for Scully. On the other hand we get Trengove if we miss scully, but I still prefer to get Scully.