One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Stripes on May 19, 2009, 09:19:38 AM
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I just looking at our run home for the season and think that, unbelievably, we still have a remote chance of making finals. The question is - do we want to?
How many of these do you believe we have a good chance of winning if we played like we did against Port?
Essendon
Fremantle
Western Bulldogs
West Coast
St Kilda
Adelaide
Carlton
North Melbourne
Essendon
Melbourne
Sydney
Collingwood
Hawthorn
West Coast
Incredibly, out of the remaining 14 games we could realistically win 11 of them and make the finals!!! The only teams I would say we would struggle with is St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Carlton and possibly Hawthorn.
But is it worth the risk of winning 10 of the games and finishing 9th or 10th again?
Stripes
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I think we will struggle with a lot more than the 4 games you mention, but....
Option 3 for me.
I want to see the future and don't think we lose much by leaving out the likes of Bowden and Simmo.
But the kids would be raring to go and developing a winning mentality is just as important as developing skills. Telling the young fellas that a loss is OK in the long run is seriously dangerous IMO. They should be trying to win every game and hurting with every loss.
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Drop most of the seniors for sure
No use playing Bowden, Simmonds & Johnson anymore
I think Brown deserves to play after his game last week but probably won't go on next year
Cousins should take the time off to get his hand healed properly, but with the knowledge that he'll play next year
Richo needs to get back on the park first
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St. Kilda would be the only team I couldn't possibly see us beating, but i'm not saying we'd win the other 13.
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I thought that Bowden was close to our worse player due to the fact that he is so unaccountable when he plays.
He leaves his player too much and this is where we failed on Sunday.
Thought is was good to see us playing more like a team.
And the same fact I think what I saw was that we are still missing the mark most of the time.
We did need a Richo or Jack up front. If we had one of them it would have been different.
And to fact that the ups gave away 3 goals to them, 2 in the 1st quarter and the next in the 2nd.
So it would have been a different outcome for us.
I was peed off that we lost but happy to see them play as a team.
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ramps will love this,
lets play for draft picks
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ramps will love this,
lets play for draft picks
;D
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3 WEEKS AGO WE STILL HAD achance to make the 8
thats all gone, lets play for picks
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My head says the first option....My heart says the last option
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Draft.
Play kids; Collins, Connors, Rance, Polo, Graham, etc.
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Draft option for me too.
If we had won on the weekend then we still would've had a chance as a win over Essendon would've put us just a game out. However we didn't win and with Cuz breaking his hand and Richo gone for the year it's turned into one of those years where nothing is going right. At 1-7 and with our low % we would need to win 12 of the remaining 14 games to make the Eight. It ain't going to happen. Play the kids to give them experience and plan for 2010 and beyond. Our forward line needs talls and that can only be done via early in the draft.
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At 1-7 and with our low % we would need to win 12 of the remaining 14 games to make the Eight. It ain't going to happen.
You are wrong MT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I reckon we only need to win 11 of the remaining 14 games :thumbsup
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I'm pretty sure that i heard the other day that if neither Geelong or St Kilda drop a game until Round 14 when they eventually meet each other then 4th spot could be claimed by a club with only 13 wins on the board :o
Im not sure how correct this is as i think i remember Hutchy stating this on Footy Classified Monday night. ::)
So i would imagine 2009 may be a year when 11+ wins should be enough for a top 8 finish.
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At 1-7 and with our low % we would need to win 12 of the remaining 14 games to make the Eight. It ain't going to happen.
You are wrong MT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I reckon we only need to win 11 of the remaining 14 games :thumbsup
LOL .... oh we're then certainties ;D
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my heart wants Richmond to make the eight.
draft picks, honestly 'people' any player we draft could turn 'great' or 'poor'!
we need a 'winning culture!'
win as many matches as possible.
i am really sick of loosing! really, because if we lose against the 'over-rates!' (Essendon) i will cry! lol!
i hate 'the over-rates!' like just kill them! smash them Richmond!
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If all the players play for the coach, and we have some luck with injuries, then we're still a realistic chance for ninth.
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People dont understand we are in this mess because of many things but i think our 9th finishes has also contributed to the mess we find ourselves in.
People argue lets build a winning culture. thats all good and well but it HAS NOT helped us on field. If we bottom out will it effect our membership numbers. I dont think so!!
We need to finish at the bottom. Fact!! 9th mid table finishes have helped us not one little bit at all.
I am not upset anymore i am content as long as we keep having honourable defeats. It may just work if we go down these honourable path, just ONCE.
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People dont understand we are in this mess because of many things but i think our 9th finishes has also contributed to the mess we find ourselves in.
People argue lets build a winning culture. thats all good and well but it HAS NOT helped us on field. If we bottom out will it effect our membership numbers. I dont think so!!
We need to finish at the bottom. Fact!! 9th mid table finishes have helped us not one little bit at all.
I am not upset anymore i am content as long as we keep having honourable defeats. It may just work if we go down these honourable path, just ONCE.
This is what I just dont get....
Since the introduction of the national draft we have been so poor.We have the worst win/loss record in the league not counting Fitzroy.Even though we are famous for finishing 9th...we also have a collection of spoons and bottom 4 finishes.This has to correlate to us having a far Superior
crack at the draft than most teams.
Do we now all of a sudden have the right people in place to take advantage of a Tank ? I have no idea-maybe someone can reassure me we do...otherwise perhaps the best thing we can do is stop recruiting recycled players and always go for the best availible kid.
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This is what I just dont get....
Since the introduction of the national draft we have been so poor.We have the worst win/loss record in the league not counting Fitzroy.Even though we are famous for finishing 9th...we also have a collection of spoons and bottom 4 finishes.This has to correlate to us having a far Superior
crack at the draft than most teams.
Do we now all of a sudden have the right people in place to take advantage of a Tank ? I have no idea-maybe someone can reassure me we do...otherwise perhaps the best thing we can do is stop recruiting recycled players and always go for the best availible kid.
Or maybe just try and learn to win?
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Werent Patrick Ryder and JON in the same draft- wasnt Patrick Ryder pick 7 and JON pick 8. We would have taken Ryder if we had the earlier pick, this has been publically stated by people at the club at the time. People dont want to tank, but in effect not tanking has cost us better players and a better future.
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Werent Patrick Ryder and JON in the same draft- wasnt Patrick Ryder pick 7 and JON pick 8. We would have taken Ryder if we had the earlier pick, this has been publically stated by people at the club at the time. People dont want to tank, but in effect not tanking has cost us better players and a better future.
Gee Ramps, that's drawing a longbow. Sometimes the club will get lucky with a later pick because someone they were going to take gets taken earlier and ends up a dud - the 'second choice' turns out ok. Your argument here is very flimsy and just highlights the risks and vagaries of the whole draft process - something that tanking exposes us to and relies on. I would much prefer to deal in a known - I know that trying to win every game in the correct manner will teach us something we can't buy at a draft table.
Fremantle were going to take Fiora until we did - they got Pavlich. Bet they're glad they didn't tank.
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Now that we know TW will see out the season it will be interesting to see what take he and the club takes. The first signs of it will be over the next few weeks with our selections. If we are still playing most of our senior players we know TW is still trying to win at all costs if we drop Simmonds (good ridance), Brown, etc and play players such as Vickery and Post then we know we are heading down the opposite path.
I hope we head down the future path and not cling to the moment
Should be an interesting ride
Stripes