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Terry Wallace's exit could come soon after Tigers take on Fremantle
Greg Denham | May 27, 2009 | The Australian
TERRY Wallace's swan song as coach of Richmond could be as early as Saturday night's game against Fremantle at Subiaco Oval.
And West Coast is set to reappoint John Worsfold as its senior coach early next month with the offer of a two- or three-year deal.
The Tigers have no intention of sacking their coach of 4 1/2 years, but it is understood they are preparing for his exit sooner, rather than later.
The exact timing of his departure will largely depend on Wallace, following a draining two months, including last week's speculation regarding his relationship with his players which ended with last Saturday night's loss to Essendon - the club's eighth from the first nine rounds this season.
Richmond is also concerned and monitoring Wallace's deteriorating health, including a stress-related 4kg weight loss over a matter of days last week.
The Tigers remain confident Wallace will be part of their travelling party that flies to Perth tomorrow, but that it is a matter of days, rather than weeks, before a caretaker coach will be required for the remainder of the season.
And, as has been well documented in recent weeks, Wallace has been guaranteed his full 2009 remuneration, believed to be about $650,000, should he decide not to see out his contract which expires at the end of round 22.
This weekend, Wallace is scheduled to join an elite list when he becomes only the 17th man to have reached the 500-game milestone as a player and coach.
He played 254 games - Hawthorn (174), Richmond (11) and the Western Bulldogs (69) - and has coached 245 games - 148 with the Bulldogs and 97 with the Tigers.
Wallace appears likely to walk away from Punt Road with his dignity intact before being officially told by the Richmond board some time over the next few weeks that he will not be given a contract extension beyond this season.
The "disclosure" clause is not in Wallace's contract, but it is understood that Tigers president Gary March promised him last year that he would be personally informed of Richmond's intentions at the midway mark of this year.
That time frame is fast approaching, and even Wallace is now fully aware that he is in his final year at Punt Road.
Though refusing to comment on the record about Wallace, Richmond yesterday did not dismiss the possibility that it has already informed Wallace of his fate.
The Tigers have not decided on a contingency plan should Wallace voluntarily depart early. But a caretaker coach will come from either development coaches Craig McRae or Jade Rawlings, who also coaches their VFL affiliate club Coburg, or former club captain and current assistant coach Wayne Campbell.
Wallace admitted after Richmond's latest loss, when its players gave their all for most of the first three quarters, that while their endeavour could not be questioned, the group lacks class.
"When it goes to the parameters of genuine quality, we're running short and that's the reality," Wallace said.
"Clearly, what's going on out on the park right now can't get us the job done. I think it's trying hard enough most games. We've been in most games at some stage, apart from the round one debacle, so we're having a crack from that point of view."
The future of at least three of the seven AFL coaches who are due to come out of contract at the end of the season, will become clear over the next few weeks.
While Wallace is the only certain casualty, it will be neck and neck as to whether premiership coaches Mark Thompson or Worsfold re-sign first.
Thompson has been sitting on an offer from Geelong for a while and is expected to agree to terms within weeks.
Cats chief executive Brian Cook yesterday reiterated that the length of contract was Thompson's decision. "It'll be a one- or two-year deal," Cook said.
Despite heading for another poor season after just four wins last year, West Coast's worst season on record, the Eagles are poised to end negative speculation by offering Worsfold a multi-year contract extension.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25543331-5012432,00.html
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After we lose to Freo Wallace will no longer be our coach. That rumour is building even heard it from an ex Tiger player yesterday.
Now if that loser McCrae gets the gig before Campbell or Rawlings then seriously we are going no where.
HE DOES NOT DESERVE THE JOB, ALBEIT A CARETAKER ROLE.
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This will keep us all tuned in to what going on at home then, if that prediction is right.
But what will go on if we actually beat the Dockers.
Not that I can see us beating them after the last match we played.
We are in for interesting times no matter what happens I think.
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After we lose to Freo Wallace will no longer be our coach. That rumour is building even heard it from an ex Tiger player yesterday.
Now if that loser McCrae gets the gig before Campbell or Rawlings then seriously we are going no where.
HE DOES NOT DESERVE THE JOB, ALBEIT A CARETAKER ROLE.
rubbish. McRae would be a good caretaker coach to mentor a young team through the rest of the year.
I don;t think Rawlings will do it or it stuffs up Coburg's season.
And Campbell I don't want anywhere near the head coaching role.
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After we lose to Freo Wallace will no longer be our coach. That rumour is building even heard it from an ex Tiger player yesterday.
Now if that loser McCrae gets the gig before Campbell or Rawlings then seriously we are going no where.
HE DOES NOT DESERVE THE JOB, ALBEIT A CARETAKER ROLE.
rubbish. McRae would be a good caretaker coach to mentor a young team through the rest of the year.
I don;t think Rawlings will do it or it effs up Coburg's season.
Agree with McCrae - he would be ok in a caretaker role.. Also think Rawlings would be good as a caretaker - Coburg seem to play with a more attacking mindset than the senior side.
And Campbell I don't want anywhere near the head coaching role.
I'm still undecided on him for the permanent gig next year but I don't think it will suit him or the team to be caretaker for the balance of this year. Make him go through the same selection process as every other candidate and judge his credentials on that - don't distort the picture one way or the other with a couple of months as caretaker.
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10 weeks too late, just to hand gift that tanned wanker 500 games
poor bastard has lost 4 kgs, well stop baking ur body in a solarium.
he is now stressining because he has been found out to be uselessand cant handle it
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After we lose to Freo Wallace will no longer be our coach. That rumour is building even heard it from an ex Tiger player yesterday.
Now if that loser McCrae gets the gig before Campbell or Rawlings then seriously we are going no where.
HE DOES NOT DESERVE THE JOB, ALBEIT A CARETAKER ROLE.
now I have heard it all
Mcrae is a loser ( 3 premierships ) but Campbell and Rawlings are winners.
Like I have said before, if you had a half a brain you would be dangerous.
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After we lose to Freo Wallace will no longer be our coach. That rumour is building even heard it from an ex Tiger player yesterday.
Now if that loser McCrae gets the gig before Campbell or Rawlings then seriously we are going no where.
HE DOES NOT DESERVE THE JOB, ALBEIT A CARETAKER ROLE.
now I have heard it all
Mcrae is a loser ( 3 premierships ) but Campbell and Rawlings are winners.
Like I have said before, if you had a half a brain you would be dangerous.
i dont agree with daniel but i dont agree with u either
mcrae has been our development coach for what 3 yrs now, dont see any improvemant in any of our players esp our young ones, and i think thats what is getting up daniel poop shute
even ur lover wallet said our team lacks class, well he has been the teacher in this classroom
ur other bf deledio really hasnt improved much since his debut yr, and strong word is he wants to play for his beloved carlton and his dad is trying to talk him into it, his contract is up, lets see what ur bf deledio is made of hey!
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now I have heard it all
Mcrae is a loser ( 3 premierships ) but Campbell and Rawlings are winners.
Like I have said before, if you had a half a brain you would be dangerous.
Exactly right.
TBH from my armchair I wouldn't have picked any of McRae, Rawlings or Campbell to be coaching material, but at least McRae has seen AFL success first hand.
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now I have heard it all
Mcrae is a loser ( 3 premierships ) but Campbell and Rawlings are winners.
Like I have said before, if you had a half a brain you would be dangerous.
Exactly right.
TBH from my armchair I wouldn't have picked any of McRae, Rawlings or Campbell to be coaching material, but at least McRae has seen AFL success first hand.
dont you ever ask urself the question, mcrae been there 3 yrs as a development specialist, wtf has he done?????
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dont you ever ask urself the question, mcrae been there 3 yrs as a development specialist, wtf has he done?????
As much as Campbell has done in his coaching career. McRae was spoken of very highly for his work with the younger lads. Rawlings is doing well enough with Coburg. Its all six of one half-a-dozen the other for me.
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dont you ever ask urself the question, mcrae been there 3 yrs as a development specialist, wtf has he done?????
As much as Campbell has done in his coaching career. McRae was spoken of very highly for his work with the younger lads. Rawlings is doing well enough with Coburg. Its all six of one half-a-dozen the other for me.
this has nothing to do with campbell, he has 1 yr experience as an assistant atthe bulldogs , who had massive rapts for him, fact, eade was very full of praise for wayne!!! fact
this has nothing to do with jade, we know he is doing a great job
the question is
what has mcrae actually done?, i have seen stuff all improvement in all our young players
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now I have heard it all
Mcrae is a loser ( 3 premierships ) but Campbell and Rawlings are winners.
Like I have said before, if you had a half a brain you would be dangerous.
Exactly right.
TBH from my armchair I wouldn't have picked any of McRae, Rawlings or Campbell to be coaching material, but at least McRae has seen AFL success first hand.
dont you ever ask urself the question, mcrae been there 3 yrs as a development specialist, wtf has he done?????
mmmm
whats he done, well
Collins Rance Graham have been developed nice and steady and all look like they still have big room for improvement but are legitimate AFL footballers
Foley and Thursfiel are both rookies that came good.
Its been said before that our problem is not the youth coming through neccessarily, its just that the senior core, are either too old, or just not good enough or injured by senior core I mean
KJ Richo Cousins Newman Brown Pettifer Simmons Mcmahon ect
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ur other bf deledio really hasnt improved much since his debut yr, and strong word is he wants to play for his beloved carlton and his dad is trying to talk him into it, his contract is up, lets see what ur bf deledio is made of hey!
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gee Lids to the Blues. That would sting i tell ya.
Any other team would hurt but gee if the blues got him we would be stuffed and might as well shut up shop.
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blaisee you make me laugh
what a pathetic case and you know it
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now I have heard it all
Mcrae is a loser ( 3 premierships ) but Campbell and Rawlings are winners.
Like I have said before, if you had a half a brain you would be dangerous.
just cause you played in a premiership dont mean you can coach, it means you were part of a squad of players that got the job done on that day
seen many teams wins all year every year & lose the grand final it dont mean anything in the end.
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with the exit of wallace, lets beg sheeds to caretake just for the eff of it.
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with the exit of wallace, lets beg sheeds to caretake just for the eff of it.
at least the players will respect him
but he wonmt be a caretaker, he will take over next yr :thumbsup
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i hope you are right! we sure need someone they will respect. Matthews would have the same effect as sheeds though.
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It is actually funny when you look at it
The majority want TW gone ASAP
But don't want to wear the consequences of a caretaker coach once he goes..
But having a caretaker coach comes with certain conditions as to who it can and cannot be?
What the...
I don't think you can have it both ways
TW goes and we get who we get... simple as that
;D
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i dont care who bcomes our caretaker coach, this yr is done and dusted already, what a joke
record members, and poo to show for it
well done tigers :banghead :banghead :banghead
i just hope now we follow ramps dream and tank
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE DO IS WE MUST MAKE SURE THAT OUR NEXT COACH IS 100% THE RIGHT MAN FOR THE JOB
WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER effUP LIKE DANNY AND TERRY
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Mike tonight on 3AW reckons it won't be next week as it'll look like the Club had made a deal to wait until Terry's 500 game milestone before tapping him on the shoulder. Mike reckons it'll be the week after prior to round 12.
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now I have heard it all
Mcrae is a loser ( 3 premierships ) but Campbell and Rawlings are winners.
Like I have said before, if you had a half a brain you would be dangerous.
just cause you played in a premiership dont mean you can coach, it means you were part of a squad of players that got the job done on that day
seen many teams wins all year every year & lose the grand final it dont mean anything in the end.
How many premiership coaches in AFL history haven't seen a flag at an elite level previously in their career? Roos would be about it, Williams another, but he got 4 flags with Port Adelaide.
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You can see it now - a caretaker coach takes over and we suddenly start winning a few meaningless games in the second half of the season and we lose our priority pick :scream.
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You can see it now - a caretaker coach takes over and we suddenly start winning a few meaningless games in the second half of the season and we lose our priority pick :scream.
Guaranteed. :help
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now I have heard it all
Mcrae is a loser ( 3 premierships ) but Campbell and Rawlings are winners.
Like I have said before, if you had a half a brain you would be dangerous.
Exactly right.
TBH from my armchair I wouldn't have picked any of McRae, Rawlings or Campbell to be coaching material, but at least McRae has seen AFL success first hand.
dont you ever ask urself the question, mcrae been there 3 yrs as a development specialist, wtf has he done?????
mmmm
whats he done, well
Collins Rance Graham have been developed nice and steady and all look like they still have big room for improvement but are legitimate AFL footballers
Foley and Thursfiel are both rookies that came good.
Its been said before that our problem is not the youth coming through neccessarily, its just that the senior core, are either too old, or just not good enough or injured by senior core I mean
KJ Richo Cousins Newman Brown Pettifer Simmons Mcmahon ect
I think there is a good point there by Blaisee, some kids specially the bigger and indigenous kids take longer but still I don't understand why we rarely play the kids early when other clubs do like WC, Essendon, Port, etc
I have a fairly open mind on who should coach next year if Malthouse is not available, but would prefer a coach who will not take crap and sugar coat, possibly Buckley if willing but I hope TW remains for the rest of the year and just plays everyone on the list to see if they stack up, if they don't move them on. A caretaker will try to win games and we just can't afford to win too many this year!
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Guaranteed. :help
And that's why Terry should see out his 5 years. Just three more months is hardly going to kill us. Also why waste money paying for a caretaker that would be better spent towards more recruiting and development resources/personnel.
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Guaranteed. :help
And that's why Terry should see out his 5 years. Just three more months is hardly going to kill us. Also why waste money paying for a caretaker that would be better spent towards more recruiting and development resources/personnel.
rubbish MT, what worse way to complete a year of recrd membership that treat the lot with such contempt that we do nothing to alter the plight we find ourselves in...even if we were to muster 5 or so wins it would be a step forward from the horrible abyss we are in right now... :gotigers
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Guaranteed. :help
And that's why Terry should see out his 5 years. Just three more months is hardly going to kill us. Also why waste money paying for a caretaker that would be better spent towards more recruiting and development resources/personnel.
rubbish MT, what worse way to complete a year of recrd membership that treat the lot with such contempt that we do nothing to alter the plight we find ourselves in...even if we were to muster 5 or so wins it would be a step forward from the horrible abyss we are in right now... :gotigers
bojangles, are you saying you would rather win games this season on the back of our senior players, still miss the finals and then screw ourselves in the last uncompromised draft
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play the kids, see who steps up and who falls, give the young team time to unify and if we win a few games it is a bonus but either way it we will be playing for the future
Wins are meanless if they take us nowhere
Stripes
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play the kids, see who steps up and who falls, give the young team time to unify and if we win a few games it is a bonus but either way it we will be playing for the future
Wins are meanless if they take us nowhere
Stripes
What happens if we play the kids and start winning games? And go past the magical 4 wins?
What do we do then?
Drop the kids so we don't win?
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play the kids, see who steps up and who falls, give the young team time to unify and if we win a few games it is a bonus but either way it we will be playing for the future
Wins are meanless if they take us nowhere
Stripes
What happens if we play the kids and start winning games? And go past the magical 4 wins?
What do we do then?
Drop the kids so we don't win?
If we win with the kids then we have found our future team and structure but if we lose with them then we get the draft picks. To play all of our kids - Vickery, Post, Putt, Browne, Gilligan, Gourdis and even Silvester, Hislop and Thomson can not be realistically done all at once so you will need to rotate them through the season in place of the 26+ year olds. This sort of rotation will help us find our future players but probably won't help in terms of team stability.
I want to win just like you do WP but not at the expense of the future
Stripes
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bojangles, are you saying you would rather win games this season on the back of our senior players, still miss the finals and then screw ourselves in the last uncompromised draft
or
play the kids, see who steps up and who falls, give the young team time to unify and if we win a few games it is a bonus but either way it we will be playing for the future
Wins are meanless if they take us nowhere
Stripes
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I dont advocate playing anyone that is not even remotely ready, vickery and Putt come to mind...Brown and Bowden dont deserve to be token dropped for ?????????..simmonds certainly does and we can ignore the likes of sarge for a return..a caretaker can still achieve plenty and for the first time in 2009 perhaps look as though we are back on the rails...supporters and members are absolutley dropping off in their droves...if the club wishes to avert losing losing 15,000 members then act quickly ::)
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play the kids, see who steps up and who falls, give the young team time to unify and if we win a few games it is a bonus but either way it we will be playing for the future
Wins are meanless if they take us nowhere
Stripes
What happens if we play the kids and start winning games? And go past the magical 4 wins?
What do we do then?
Drop the kids so we don't win?
Drag your 4 best players to the bench with 15 mins to go ;D. That's what the Blues did against the Pies late in 2007 - Ratten took off Fev, Murphy, Gibbs and Stevens in the last quarter and they got overrun :whistle.
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Guaranteed. :help
And that's why Terry should see out his 5 years. Just three more months is hardly going to kill us. Also why waste money paying for a caretaker that would be better spent towards more recruiting and development resources/personnel.
rubbish MT, what worse way to complete a year of recrd membership that treat the lot with such contempt that we do nothing to alter the plight we find ourselves in...even if we were to muster 5 or so wins it would be a step forward from the horrible abyss we are in right now... :gotigers
We're 1-8 bj. The season is already gone so we've already shown such comtempt for 2009 from round 1 onwards. A few meaningless wins from here on won't do anything as far as members and supporters as come round 22 they will still see the season as a complete and utter failure. The only thing a few meaning wins will do is stuff up another draft by finishing just outside the top 8.
If we are going to make long-term decisions based on trying to appease supporters in the short-term then we will continue to head nowhere and be just repeating the same mistakes of the past.
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play the kids, see who steps up and who falls, give the young team time to unify and if we win a few games it is a bonus but either way it we will be playing for the future
Wins are meanless if they take us nowhere
Stripes
What happens if we play the kids and start winning games? And go past the magical 4 wins?
What do we do then?
Drop the kids so we don't win?
forgive me if im wrong as im not an expert on this, but iirc i thought th epriority pick was now based over 2 seasons thus lasy season wins will combine with this seasons. im not sure maybe im wrong wont be the 1st time lol
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Yep wrong again
1 year with 4 wins or less gets you a priority pick after the 1st round
2 years with 4 wins or less gets you a priority pick before the 1st round