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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Bulluss on October 08, 2004, 02:09:31 PM
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Essendon and Richmond had agreed on terms with a trade for Zantuck but they were 2 mins too late.
Huddo didnt mention what we missed out on, but i am not too disappointed with Ty staying.
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Shattered.......
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Miller has missed it intentionally i betcha, Ty is a tough nut im not unhappy and I bet Wallace isn't either.
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Would have top off a good trade period if we could have got rid of "Zantuck the hopeless".
Miller has never liked Essendon though so he probably didnt care if he missed the cutoff.
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Miller deliberately missed the cut-off after last years Soloman saga.
Good move IMO.
Zantuck will be a good player under Wallace.
So the net effect is this -
We replaced Ottens with Simmonds,
and
gained picks 12 and 16,
and still got pick 1 in the PSD (hope we get Salopek)
Not bad.
Bring on the draft.
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I agree Harry,
the worst thing that could have happened was that sly old dog Sheedy picking up Ty and turning him into a top player.
Wallace will make him into one of our best players.
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According to Jack Nhial from the Age on SEN the deal was meant to be Ty for a draft pick (maybe a 3rd).
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Be good to keep Zantuck and use him as our resident thug!
Great to get one over sheedy too! Look forward to hearing about this one and why it didnt go through, perhaps Solomon saga had something to do with it! :thumbsup
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Mark Harvey seemed to blame the hold up with the Ottens deal going through.
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Tigers irate over missed deadline
4:28:40 PM Fri 8 October, 2004
Paul Gough
Sportal
Richmond football director Greg Miller has laid the blame at Essendon for the fact disgruntled Tiger Ty Zantuck failed by one minute to become a Bomber on the final day of AFL trading on Friday.
Zantuck, who is still contracted at Punt Road but desperate for a fresh start, will be forced to stay with the Tigers in 2005 after Richmond and Essendon failed to secure a trade deal by Friday's 2pm deadline.
This came after Zantuck rejected a proposed move to the Kangaroos earlier during the trade period.
"The AFL says we were one minute late," Miller said of the failed Zantuck-Essendon trade.
"Essendon came to us with about two minutes to go which was obviously too late and said they agreed on a deal."
"We then rushed down (with the official paperwork) to the AFL at the other end of the corridor but the AFL said we were a minute late."
And Miller had no doubt who was to blame for the situation.
"You've got a player who doesn’t want to play with Richmond, he wants to play with Essendon and he is with Richmond now," Miller said of Zantuck.
"That is unfair for the player but Essendon should have acted earlier."
"Hopefully Essendon will learn their lesson on that and go a bit earlier (next time).'
In the end the Bombers were not involved in any trade deals this year, but Richmond was one of the biggest players of trade week.
Not only did it finally secure a deal for disgruntled ruckman Brad Ottens with Geelong after days of haggling - in exchange for two first round draft picks at numbers 12 and 16 - but it also secured a trade for the player Miller sees as Ottens' replacement - Fremantle big man Troy Simmonds.
The Tigers secured Simmonds as part of a three way trade deal which sent Aaron Fiora to St Kilda and the Saints' Heath Black back to Fremantle.
However Miller was immediately on the defensive over reports the Tigers had offered 26-year-old Simmonds a five year contract, refusing to confirm or deny that fact.
The Tigers also still have the first pick in the pre-season draft and are likely to use it on Bulldog forward Patrick Bowden, the younger brother of 2004 Jack Dyer Medalist Joel.
But it is the fact Richmond has five draft picks - numbers 1, 4, 12, 16 and 20 - in the first 20 selections of the November 20 national draft that has Miller excited as the Tigers look to re-build after finishing on the bottom in 2004.
"We needed to replace Brad Ottens and Brad was someone who was tall and who could push forward and so is Troy Simmonds," Miller said.
"So to be able to replace him with someone similar and then get two (extra) first round draft choices, we think we are the winner."
The last time the Tigers had five early draft choices was way back in 1989 when Anthony Banik was taken at pick one but fans will be hoping the 2004 national draft will yield the same kind of dividend as the Tigers' fifth pick (number 29 overall) delivered that season - Wayne Campbell.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=174690
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No doubt about it, there are some great players drafted in the 20's ;D
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I heard Miller SEN earlier, and unless my ear decieved, he said that Essendon offered there pick 30 in exchange for Zantuck and our pick 36.
Tell me it aint so. :gobdrop
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Cant help but think,if this is the case,that it was just Sheedy acting like a shiela again.
Tantalising the Tigers Testis at the last minute for a good laff.
Dog.
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We all should remember the last time Richmond & Essendon traded right in the last minute and we ended up with Blumfield! ::)
So let's pray to the lord that this blows up in the bombers face this time round.
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I'd bet my life Miller did that on purpose - just saw him on Channel Nine - and he said Essendon should have been quicker - said with a big smirk on his face.
In the background were the Bombers team giving him daggers!
A classic :rollin
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I heard Miller SEN earlier, and unless my ear decieved, he said that Essendon offered there pick 30 in exchange for Zantuck and our pick 36.
Tell me it aint so. :gobdrop
You heard him right MY. :o
I hope it was a tease for the Bombers and Miller was late on purpose.
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Totally agree,
Miller sounded very smug on SEN this afternoon and good on him.
Zantuck isnt a superstar but for stuff sakes
Zantuck and pick 36 for pick 30!
Come on Sheedy, your dealing with Miller here!!!
Zantuck will know become a brilliant player under Wallace
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ahhhhh feeels good to stiff the bummers :)
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We all should remember the last time Richmond & Essendon traded right in the last minute and we ended up with Blumfield! ::)
So let's pray to the lord that this blows up in the bombers face this time round.
And funnily enough we were meant to get Blumfield and pick 36 for our pick 30 in that deal, but Essendon got a deal with the Bullies involving Alvey in too late that would have delivered us the pick 36.
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I heard Miller SEN earlier, and unless my ear decieved, he said that Essendon offered there pick 30 in exchange for Zantuck and our pick 36.
Tell me it aint so. :gobdrop
No wonder he ran past the door I would have too, sheedy tried to screw us, well done greg :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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WooooHoooooo, i'm a happy camper!!!! ;D
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Just watch trading placeson Fox Footy.
Greg Miller said that one of the reasons why the Zantuck to North deal and Richmond ending up with pick 9 was the fact that Ty Zantuck refused to be traded to North
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Also missed picks 7 & 10 because Ottens wouldn't go there. Once you see past them having no facilities, no money and a morose coach I'm sure it would be a good place to go. :)
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Minutes turn to months for disgruntled Ty
Chip Le Grand
The Australian
October 09, 2004
TY ZANTUCK was gone in 60 seconds. A minute sooner and the disgruntled Tiger would have been toasting a new contract with Essendon. A minute sooner and Richmond would have been toasting its own good fortune.
But by the AFL clock on the Optus Oval wall, Richmond football manager Greg Miller arrived one minute too late with the requisite paperwork.
Zantuck will stay at Richmond, where he doesn't particularly want to be. The Bombers will have to turn their minds to the pre-season draft, which they didn't particularly want to do.
It is clearly no way to do business. According to the price set by his management in negotiations, Zantuck's services are worth $240,000 a season to an AFL club. While the figure is a moot point, yesterday's debacle was not.
Every year, at least one trade is left stranded on a fax machine or formica table at the 2pm cut-off.
In 2001, it was Essendon's Joe Misiti trying to get to Collingwood. Last year, it was St Kilda's Heath Black trying to get to Fremantle -- a trade belatedly secured yesterday.
The difference this year is journalists and television crews were allowed on to the trading room floor to witness the chaos for themselves.
"I took the wrong turn," a sheepish Miller said. "I sprinted down the corridor and went left instead of right. But Essendon came in to us about two minutes to go, which was obviously too late."
The scenes which took place before Miller's deadline dash were as intriguing as any of the deals struck.
The clubs gathered at 10am to finalise their trades. Three hours later, only one deal had been lodged and tempers were starting to fray.
How many club officials does it take to change a light bulb? It took a table of seven from Hawthorn and Collingwood and the best part of an hour to find a third-round draft pick for West Coast.
"You'd think they were working on the Israeli peace accord," snapped one rival recruiter, whose own trade prospects were hinging on the deal.
The feel-good story was Geelong, which after years of failed attempts landed a big recruit in Brad Ottens. The villain of the piece was Essendon, who earned the wrath of the Tigers and more than one player manager for their late play at Zantuck and trade tease of Western Bulldog Scott West.
The steak-knife award went to former Demon and Docker Troy Longmuir, who was traded to Carlton for the 73rd pick in the national draft.
But if Longmuir is miffed at his dramatic depreciation, he need only consider the fate of Zantuck. In trade week, it is better to be done dirt cheap than a minute too late.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11015632%255E2722,00.html
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By Stephen Rielly
October 9, 2004
The Australian
Zantuck's manager, Anthony McConville, said later that Zantuck, who is on holiday in New York, would return to Punt Road Oval and honour the last year of his contract with the Tigers.
"Ty is contracted for next season, so there is nothing to negotiate," McConville said.
"He wanted to move, that didn't happen, and so he'll be back at Richmond and determined to make it work.
"Who knows? He could play another 10 years at Punt Road."
http://realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/10/08/1097089571361.html
I wonder how determined Ty will be to perfrom knowing in one year he can just walk. It'll now be in our best interests as well as his to try and get him to play some decent footy. It's all in Wallace's hands.
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Funny, Greg Miller didn't look too irate on the news.
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Besides the Zuntuck mix up , I think we should be reasonably pleased with what has taken place at trade week.
Im happy to see Fiora gone. Might end up a handy player for the Saints if Grant thomas can work on his disposal skills. :)
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Peter Walsh of Melbourne and pick 45 was traded to Port for Pick 43, so I guess if it is for budgetary reasons, these deals aren't uncommon. In a way I'm glad we had a "suffer in ya jocks" moment with Essendon, a la 'The Castle'. :lol
However, now we must consider our trading postion. Zantuck being traded would have cleared a $240,000 expense from our list and enabled us to take our full compliment in the draft (possibly all 7 picks up to 52). I see everyone complaining about Hilton being on our list, but from a financial point of view, he is beneficial to the Tigers, as he would only be retained on a one year deal on minimum wage, if he is retained at all now. As it is, with 31 on the list, we can take 6 picks in the draft, and one in the PSD...is this enough?
Edit: With Moore still to be added to the senior list, and no more delistings, we may only have 5 picks in the draft :o
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Edit: With Moore still to be added to the senior list, and no more delistings, we may only have 5 picks in the draft :o
Miller said a few weeks back that we maybe only using 5 picks. So that would fit in. It's now a case of weighing up someone we have with pick 36 and deciding which is of the greater value to the side and list.
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Edit: With Moore still to be added to the senior list, and no more delistings, we may only have 5 picks in the draft :o
Miller said a few weeks back that we maybe only using 5 picks. So that would fit in. It's now a case of weighing up someone we have with pick 36 and deciding which is of the greater value to the side and list.
There is no way we should pass on pick 36 !! This is just crazy !! It will be disgraceful if we pass on pick 36 as this is still a good pick. Last year we only picked up one kid BEFORE pick 36 and used something like 6-7 picks after 36. It MUST be used. I would even use pick 52. That's 7 picks.
As it is currently we have 31 on the list. Plus 7 in the national and 1 in the PSD, that makes it 39. Plus Moore = 40.
Delist Hilton and some other dud if need be but we MUST use pick 36 and to a lesser extent 52.
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However, now we must consider our trading postion. Zantuck being traded would have cleared a $240,000 expense from our list and enabled us to take our full compliment in the draft (possibly all 7 picks up to 52). I see everyone complaining about Hilton being on our list, but from a financial point of view, he is beneficial to the Tigers, as he would only be retained on a one year deal on minimum wage, if he is retained at all now. As it is, with 31 on the list, we can take 6 picks in the draft, and one in the PSD...is this enough?
He wont be getting many kicks on crutches in the stands though Gibbro.
Dont forget his knee injury,probably rendering an already slow,immobile player totally useless.
Punt him off to utilize pick 36 like Ron Jeremy suggested.
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MUST, MUST take our draft picks, all 7.
Punt Hilton + one of Morrison, Weller, Chaffey, my last off would be Fleming because at least he has a go.
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If we are going to sacrifice a pick.....then bye bye Fleming.....
Imagine if you were a kid and you didnt get picked up because Fleming took your spot on a list......you would quit football then and there.
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MUST, MUST take our draft picks, all 7.
Punt Hilton + one of Morrison, Weller, Chaffey, my last off would be Fleming because at least he has a go.
Your only two options on that list are Hilton & Weller - uncontracted. Though I reckon Weller is a chance to get another deal because of his form in the last 5 games of 2004, even more so if we are interested in his little brother ;) ;D
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Did we actually sign Morrison to a two year deal last year? Why?
If GM had given me a ring I would have told him he was no J. Brown.
If he was he wouldn't have been running around in the AFLQ. Or for that matter Coburg.
Weller and Hilton to go then.
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Did we actually sign Morrison to a two year deal last year? Why?
I believe he nominated a 2 year contract in coming down from Brissy.