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Title: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerTime on June 01, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
THERE YOU HAVE IT YOU JACKSTAR BASHERS !
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Chuck17 on June 01, 2009, 11:16:48 AM
If you say it enough times it has too come true eventually  ::)  :wallywink
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Moi on June 01, 2009, 11:18:17 AM
THERE YOU HAVE IT YOU JACKSTAR BASHERS !
:rollin

 :wallywink of the highest order

Both of you.  Heard it all now lol

 :lol
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerTime on June 01, 2009, 11:20:51 AM
HAHAHAHA

BYE BYE TERRY
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: harry bosch on June 01, 2009, 11:27:19 AM
a thousand monkeys.....
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: the wasp on June 01, 2009, 11:31:54 AM
Source, TT?

Press conference is still an hour away.....

BTW I think the beef with Jack is not whether he is right or (more often than not) wrong, its that he continues to leak supposedly confidential information into the public forum.  Good on him for being right once in a while, but that doesnt make it right to do so.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerTime on June 01, 2009, 11:37:38 AM
my source is a good one thats all i can say
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 01, 2009, 11:39:25 AM
Source, TT?

Press conference is still an hour away.....

BTW I think the beef with Jack is not whether he is right or (more often than not) wrong, its that he continues to leak supposedly confidential information into the public forum.  Good on him for being right once in a while, but that doesnt make it right to do so.

Plenty of people know about it before I do, can assure you that
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerTime on June 01, 2009, 11:43:28 AM
Source, TT?

Press conference is still an hour away.....

BTW I think the beef with Jack is not whether he is right or (more often than not) wrong, its that he continues to leak supposedly confidential information into the public forum.  Good on him for being right once in a while, but that doesnt make it right to do so.

Plenty of people know about it before I do, can assure you that

u r not wrong there jackstar
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerLand on June 01, 2009, 11:44:39 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!


WHY RAWLINGS! Why not Wayne Campbell!! What makes Rawlings a better candidate... No!


NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

For the love of God No!
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: camboon on June 01, 2009, 11:45:11 AM
If true, the dark clouds can have someone new to slag on in no time at all, or even worse we will have a coach who gets us to win a few in the second half of the year when all the other sides who cant make the finals have put the que in the rack so we get discounted draft picks.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerTime on June 01, 2009, 11:50:03 AM
another source tells me that terry will coach his last game v the dogs and then jade will take over
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Tigermonk on June 01, 2009, 11:54:29 AM
 ;D ever heard the supertramp song Goodbye Stranger

Goodbye terry, Goodbye jane  ;D
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerLand on June 01, 2009, 12:17:42 PM
another source tells me that terry will coach his last game v the dogs and then jade will take over

Laughable... Laughable if we appoint a man with the name "JADE"....... Please for heavens sake appoint Campbell or King.. Not Rawlings..
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: tigersalive on June 01, 2009, 12:19:54 PM
another source tells me that terry will coach his last game v the dogs and then jade will take over

Laughable... Laughable if we appoint a man with the name "JADE"....... Please for heavens sake appoint Campbell or King.. Not Rawlings..

Rawlings is the best option out of the three.


Wallace speaking very well.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Ox on June 01, 2009, 12:24:56 PM
don't u love it when cancer spreads and they cut out the wrong organ..........

Tell me jak,
who are the players against terry.? - spill it.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerLand on June 01, 2009, 12:28:33 PM
another source tells me that terry will coach his last game v the dogs and then jade will take over

Laughable... Laughable if we appoint a man with the name "JADE"....... Please for heavens sake appoint Campbell or King.. Not Rawlings..

Rawlings is the best option out of the three.


Wallace speaking very well.  :thumbsup

I think Wayne would be a 5 times as good coach as Jade Rawlings.. Rawlings not even close to a premiership as a player, couldn't kick a ball to save himself and has the education of a 13 year old. Speaks mediocily at best as Coburg coach. At least Campbell could play and has leadership qualities.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Chuck17 on June 01, 2009, 12:29:57 PM
I think Wayne would be a 5 times as good coach as Jade Rawlings.. Rawlings not even close to a premiership as a player, couldn't kick a ball to save himself and has the education of a 13 year old. Speaks mediocily at best as Coburg coach. At least Campbell could play and has leadership qualities.

Maybe he is a tanking coach?
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerTime on June 01, 2009, 12:35:43 PM
another source tells me that terry will coach his last game v the dogs and then jade will take over

Laughable... Laughable if we appoint a man with the name "JADE"....... Please for heavens sake appoint Campbell or King.. Not Rawlings..

jade so what, whats a name got to do with anything

kim hughes has a name kim, he was asutralian test captain and a very good batsmen

names are just names , his is jade so what
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerLand on June 01, 2009, 12:45:24 PM
another source tells me that terry will coach his last game v the dogs and then jade will take over

Laughable... Laughable if we appoint a man with the name "JADE"....... Please for heavens sake appoint Campbell or King.. Not Rawlings..

jade so what, whats a name got to do with anything

kim hughes has a name kim, he was asutralian test captain and a very good batsmen

names are just names , his is jade so what

Can't take him seriously...
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Tigermonk on June 01, 2009, 12:51:10 PM
tell me who can you take seriously down there at Tigerland, they said Walllace was safe but its never been the case at all
Rawling is a fine speaker to the Coburg players, not my prefered choice but Campbell is not my prefered choice.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerTime on June 01, 2009, 01:07:24 PM
sheedy will coach us next yr
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: cub on June 01, 2009, 01:19:50 PM
Wallace failed and is gone - moving right along.
Geez I hope we can get it right this time.

Reckon he handled it all very professionally and in an adult manner, which can't be said about the way some on here carry on.

Don't like his chances in the swansong game, but can only hope.

Rawlings will be a tank coach, just have a feeling we can stuff this up and start winning. Think I have made my thoughts clear on that one.

All so confusing - like I said let's hope, we're due for some luck. :gotigers
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Ramps on June 01, 2009, 01:21:26 PM
sheedy will coach us next yr

20 years to late IMHO.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerTime on June 01, 2009, 01:42:51 PM
sheedy will coach us next yr

20 years to late IMHO.

25 but thats not the point
would love to see sheedy coach us for 1 or 2 yearswith james hird as his side kick and then hird take over and create a dynasty at the tigers
wouldnt that be great
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: WA Tiger on June 01, 2009, 01:54:44 PM
Geesus you idiots anoy the pee out of me, you have whinged your guts out all season about Wallace and now you are gloating at someone who has actually fallen ill as a result of this. You should be ashamed of yourselves and now some of you are even starting to complain about the caretaker coach.

stuff off and join another club.... :banghead
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Con65 on June 01, 2009, 02:08:16 PM
Who said Rawlings will be caretaker?

Report today says caretaker will be announced on Saturday.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: mat073 on June 01, 2009, 02:27:39 PM
Whats the chance of Wayne coaching Coberg ?:shh
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: bojangles17 on June 01, 2009, 02:28:01 PM
another source tells me that terry will coach his last game v the dogs and then jade will take over

Laughable... Laughable if we appoint a man with the name "JADE"....... Please for heavens sake appoint Campbell or King.. Not Rawlings..

spare us from the simpletons approach, facts are htat Rawlings has done an outstanding job at coburg and deserves the right to take the reigns moreson that David King??????????? and the novice cambo who perhaps should be elevated to leading hand
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: nahadaman on June 01, 2009, 02:35:11 PM
you should calm down wa tiger. Anyone who didnt bitch about Wallace coaching us just isnt human. And as for bitching about Rawlings, who wouldnt. Do we want another dud.?
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Ramps on June 01, 2009, 02:37:47 PM
sheedy will coach us next yr

20 years to late IMHO.

25 but thats not the point
would love to see sheedy coach us for 1 or 2 yearswith james hird as his side kick and then hird take over and create a dynasty at the tigers
wouldnt that be great

It disappoints me to have to agree with you but yes I agree that the possibility that you raised of a Sheedy-Hird combo would indeed be a great thing for our club.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: nahadaman on June 01, 2009, 02:40:11 PM
Here Here, people that care about Richmond would have to agree with Sheeds or Mathews , Hird or Buckley combo.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: F0551L on June 01, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
well one things for sure  the caretaker coach should start off with a win v the west coast wtankers
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Danog on June 01, 2009, 04:24:13 PM
No we shouldn't! We want west coast to get more than 4 wins!
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Stripes on June 01, 2009, 04:35:02 PM
No we shouldn't! We want west coast to get more than 4 wins!

I agree we need to give WC two wins this year or they will get a priority draft pick and hope they win another somewhere, and effectively screw us regardless of where we finish.

Stripes
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Infamy on June 01, 2009, 05:08:07 PM
People, stop mentioning Hird, he will never coach an AFL side
Give it a rest, seriously, why would you want someone who has no passion for coaching to take over?

No many superstar players go on to be great coaches, usually because they had all the talent come to them naturally and they didn't have to work as hard to succeed. You want a coach who can instill a good work ethic into a side and the star players often don't have that in them to pass on to others.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 01, 2009, 05:12:14 PM
don't u love it when cancer spreads and they cut out the wrong organ..........

Tell me jak,
who are the players against terry.? - spill it.

Why on earth would I want to tell you.
Find out yourself :thumbsup
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: 2JD on June 01, 2009, 06:09:12 PM
THERE YOU HAVE IT YOU JACKSTAR BASHERS !

You seriously have got to be kidding!!!! Jack has been saying the same thing every fortnight for so long and when it finally happens you claim it for him!!! What a freaking joke.
Its like the weather forecasters predicting rain, they just keep sayig it till it does then say "see, told ya!" :rollin
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 01, 2009, 07:04:48 PM
[quote auth :birthdayor=TigerTime link=topic=9354.msg142730#msg142730 date=1243818897]
THERE YOU HAVE IT YOU JACKSTAR BASHERS !

You seriously have got to be kidding!!!! Jack has been saying the same thing every fortnight for so long and when it finally happens you claim it for him!!! What a freaking joke.
Its like the weather forecasters predicting rain, they just keep sayig it till it does then say "see, told ya!" :rollin
[/quote]

and thats why the club has gone no where in the past 5 years. Coached by a clown
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 06, 2009, 11:35:32 AM
Bump ;)
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Ramps on June 06, 2009, 11:37:26 AM
Campbell should go to Coburg and coach the rest of the season. Good experience for him as well.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Moi on June 06, 2009, 11:38:18 AM
Bump ;)
Exhibit A - club leak
No surprises there, Jack, you've been a blight on this club for ages  :banghead
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 06, 2009, 11:40:03 AM
you have to love the RFC.
They told the senior players that Rawlings was to be the caretaker coach at the famous Tuesday meeting, ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Interesting times when Richo wants to play again.lol
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 06, 2009, 11:41:11 AM
Bump ;)
Exhibit A - club leak
No surprises there, Jack, you've been a blight on this club for ages  :banghead

It was common knowledge 2 weeks ago after the tuesday meeting, you should get out in the real world ::)
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Moi on June 06, 2009, 11:42:11 AM
Bump ;)
Exhibit A - club leak
No surprises there, Jack, you've been a blight on this club for ages  :banghead

It was common knowledge 2 weeks ago after the tuesday meeting, you should get out in the real world ::)
Still the club's job to announce it, not  you.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: blaisee on June 06, 2009, 11:45:00 AM
you have to love the RFC.
They told the senior players that Rawlings was to be the caretaker coach at the famous Tuesday meeting, ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Interesting times when Richo wants to play again.lol

which world is that jack?

The world were wallet was going to be sacked last year, the year before that, or the year before that?
The world were sheedy was going to be coach of richmond?

or the world were sheedy knocked back the melbourne job?


 :shh :shh :shh :shh :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: one-eyed on June 06, 2009, 11:47:52 AM
SEN just said they've been told Rawlings has got the caretaker job
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 06, 2009, 11:48:02 AM
Blaisee, your boring :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Moi on June 06, 2009, 11:48:13 AM
you have to love the RFC.
They told the senior players that Rawlings was to be the caretaker coach at the famous Tuesday meeting, ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Interesting times when Richo wants to play again.lol

which world is that jack?

The world were wallet was going to be sacked last year, the year before that, or the year before that?
The world were sheedy was going to be coach of richmond?

or the world were sheedy knocked back the melbourne job?


 :shh :shh :shh :shh :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Yep, our Jackie has a lot of credibility  :shh
 :rollin
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Moi on June 06, 2009, 11:49:07 AM
Blaisee, your boring :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep
You're not Jack, you're a laugh a minute  :lol  ;)
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 06, 2009, 11:49:43 AM
you have to love the RFC.
They told the senior players that Rawlings was to be the caretaker coach at the famous Tuesday meeting, ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Interesting times when Richo wants to play again.lol

which world is that jack?

The world were wallet was going to be sacked last year, the year before that, or the year before that?
The world were sheedy was going to be coach of richmond?

or the world were sheedy knocked back the melbourne job?


 :shh :shh :shh :shh :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Yep, our Jackie has a lot of credibility  :shh
 :rollin
you should see who is next to get the chop ;)
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Tigermonk on June 06, 2009, 11:49:44 AM
 ;D  :shh Jack $$$$$
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 06, 2009, 11:51:43 AM
just get on the tiges next week :gotigers ;)
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Go Richo 12 on June 06, 2009, 11:53:28 AM
SEN just said they've been told Rawlings has got the caretaker job
I believe that if Rawlings gets the caretaker job then that is all he will be be, a caretaker coach! I think we will get a new coach for next season!
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Tigermonk on June 06, 2009, 12:11:17 PM
more soap  ;D
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: blaisee on June 06, 2009, 12:14:16 PM
you have to love the RFC.
They told the senior players that Rawlings was to be the caretaker coach at the famous Tuesday meeting, ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Interesting times when Richo wants to play again.lol

which world is that jack?

The world were wallet was going to be sacked last year, the year before that, or the year before that?
The world were sheedy was going to be coach of richmond?

or the world were sheedy knocked back the melbourne job?


 :shh :shh :shh :shh :lol :lol :lol :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :gotigers :gotigers :gotigers :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Yep, our Jackie has a lot of credibility  :shh
 :rollin
you should see who is next to get the chop ;)

hopefully tony free and wayne campbell
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Tigermonk on June 06, 2009, 12:15:51 PM
Royal, King,  ;D
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: jezza on June 06, 2009, 12:26:32 PM

I believe that if Rawlings gets the caretaker job then that is all he will be be, a caretaker coach! I think we will get a new coach for next season!

Exactly why I think it's the best option. Give it to someone who has no chance of getting the job permanently so they can focus on playing the kids.  Not really a fan of any of the current assistants getting the job long term so I'd rather none of the real aspirants like Campbell get it.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: camboon on June 06, 2009, 12:29:40 PM
Get on the Tigers next week against a side that are tanking and playing us in Melboure.

If we win it just proves that our management including the coaching staff are just stupid as we have been for the last 25 years.

Ay least TW wanted to do what Shaw did for Collingwood which showed to me he had the best interest of Richmonds long term at heart.

Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 06, 2009, 12:30:24 PM
Royal, King,  ;D

Kings will work at 3AW next year.
Royal back to being a builder
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 06, 2009, 12:34:50 PM
sorry forgot the ;)
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Tigermonk on June 06, 2009, 12:36:22 PM
Campbell came to the club when there was a opening to get in & he took it.
thats the only reason his there. To learn coaching not to take over the senior coaching role which he has no chance
You may find him taking the Coburg role from Rawlings which will enhance his coaching
The next coach of Richmond is already at the club currently having a holiday  ;D
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Moi on June 06, 2009, 12:56:19 PM
Robbo on SEN just commended the club on no leaks
Obviously doesn't read OER  :banghead
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Tigermonk on June 06, 2009, 01:01:08 PM
 ;D obvious
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Moi on June 06, 2009, 01:03:29 PM
;D obvious
A joke  :banghead
I'll save  you posting

Soap x 4  :rollin
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Tigermonk on June 06, 2009, 01:09:03 PM
;D obvious
A joke  :banghead
I'll save  you posting

Soap x 4  :rollin

well l think we will all move on now, no more Wallace or Spud topics, Tanking topics, its all full-on support to the end of the season.
The players got thier own way & its been going on since last year. Now they have no-more excuses not to play 4 quarters & win for the supporters otherwise my Melbourne membership will be getting overuse this season & next, now its off to the football cheers
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Ramps on June 06, 2009, 01:15:21 PM
I cant see Sheedy lifting this group of players to any great heights be honest
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: bojangles17 on June 06, 2009, 01:47:22 PM
I cant see Sheedy lifting this group of players to any great heights be honest

i suppose many would have said the same thing when he took reigns at ESS in 1981 and Pagan when taking over at North after shimma was sacked, make your own luck in this game, gone are the days that flags can be materialised thru chq books :o
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Ramps on June 06, 2009, 01:50:18 PM
I cant see Sheedy lifting this group of players to any great heights be honest

i suppose many would have said the same thing when he took reigns at ESS in 1981 and Pagan when taking over at North after shimma was sacked, make your own luck in this game, gone are the days that flags can be materialised thru chq books :o

The Sheedy of 1981 is different to the Sheedy of 2010. Yes the experience is a bonus, but in 1981 Sheedys whole persona exuded someone who was desperate to succeed, I dont see that now. The persona of Sheedy in 1981 is what I see now in Buckley, Hardwick and even Campbell.

Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on June 06, 2009, 02:22:26 PM
Sheedy came from a successful club at the time and saw what made Tom Hafey tick close up and still has closeness to Tom such is the Bond.

Hardwick has worked closely with Sheeds as has Choco and Hardwick has worked closely with Choco and Clarkson another Choco prodige all from winning cultures.

Even Bucks has played under Matthews, Walls and Malthouse all who have experienced success so he knows what it takes.


All these prospective coaches still have closeness with their coaches and genuinely respect and listen to what they have to say so it is fair to say their mentoring was from someone whose credentialls are excellent.

Campbell- KB Walls, Northey, Walls Giesche, Spud, Wallet and worked with Eade and Wallet. Not the best role call there even though Walls and Jeans were prem coaches but their best was behind them by the time they got to the club and all due respect to Eade who is doing okay, but the education is definentely not there. Its like asking a yr 11 student to graduate from the Melbourne Uni Law Faculty with Honours without completing their VCE or attending tutes and lectures once at Uni. Does not make sense.

Buckley I'm warming to and I hope he is not cockteasing us
Hardwick would be just as good now also.
Should both be sounded out and hunted down
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: WA Tiger on June 06, 2009, 02:45:37 PM
Conglations Jade and all the best, just do yourself a favour and don't read thhe posts on this forum from certain people after about 6 weeks. The Eagales is a no brainer but after that you will be ripped into mate...
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Infamy on June 06, 2009, 03:21:31 PM
just get on the tiges next week :gotigers ;)
That's money for jam, even if Wallace was coaching
West Coast don't want to win
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: bojangles17 on June 06, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
there;s never a certainty when the tigers are involved, well maybe there is :-\....if we get our selections right and our running game going , nahas, Gus, Browny back into the side then we start to look pretty formidable
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: TigerTime on June 06, 2009, 05:36:17 PM
jackstar u r the star!
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: sabartooth on June 06, 2009, 07:48:51 PM
Bump ;)
Exhibit A - club leak
No surprises there, Jack, you've been a blight on this club for ages  :banghead
well done jackoff make the trifecta and tell us next years coach you old blighter :bow
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 06, 2009, 08:50:04 PM
Bump ;)
Exhibit A - club leak
No surprises there, Jack, you've been a blight on this club for ages  :banghead
well done jackoff make the trifecta and tell us next years coach you old blighter :bow

Just put all your hard earned on the tiges next week.
Wouldnt think jade would be there in 2010..
And how come Hutchy and Wallace are friends. ;)
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: sabartooth on June 06, 2009, 08:57:56 PM
didn't answer the question who's coach next year ?
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: one-eyed on June 06, 2009, 09:13:57 PM
The media are going to make a big deal tomorrow about Rawlings get the caretaker gig ahead of Campbell because they thought Campbell was going to get it and to them this is a "shock decision"  ::).

Rawlings at 31 is the youngest senior coach of an AFL/VFL club since Malthouse started coaching at Footscray in 1984.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Moi on June 06, 2009, 09:16:27 PM
The media are going to make a big deal tomorrow about Rawlings get the caretaker gig ahead of Campbell because they thought Campbell was going to get it and to them this is a "shock decision"  ::).

Rawlings at 31 is the youngest senior coach of an AFL/VFL club since Malthouse started coaching at Footscray in 1984.
Obviously, they weren't in on the team meeting like Jack was.
I'll give it to Jack, he certainly has the leaks
Someone steal his phone next time you see him will ya lol
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: bojangles17 on June 06, 2009, 09:47:27 PM
The media are going to make a big deal tomorrow about Rawlings get the caretaker gig ahead of Campbell because they thought Campbell was going to get it and to them this is a "shock decision"  ::).

Rawlings at 31 is the youngest senior coach of an AFL/VFL club since Malthouse started coaching at Footscray in 1984.

yep Jade will certainly get his 15 min of fame, welcome to tigerland son :gotigers
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: one-eyed on June 06, 2009, 10:41:47 PM
Walls obviously isn't a fan of Rawlings.

Walls: I always thought whoever got the caretaker role would be out of the running for 2010 and you'd give to someone else.

Quartermain: What about if he wins 6 or 7 games. Surely he would be a chance?

Walls: You'd give it to someone else.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Hellenic Tiger on June 06, 2009, 11:24:58 PM
Walls his opinion nowadays is about as important as Damir Dokic's.
Waste of faaken space.

Hypothetically in exactly two years with whoever coaches us from next year at the helm we are

8-3 after 11 rounds and we are on Sat night on Ten Walls will be saying since Terry left the Tigers have made every post a winner like he had picked this.

What do Princess Di and the RFC have in common?
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Moi on June 06, 2009, 11:31:13 PM

What do Princess Di and the RFC have in common?
Both stuffed by Walls lol
Title: Rawlings turns to the job at hand (Age)
Post by: one-eyed on June 07, 2009, 04:51:36 AM
Rawlings turns to the job at hand
Martin Boulton | June 7, 2009

JADE Rawlings overcame the "head spin" of becoming the AFL's newest senior coach and quickly set about turning Richmond's dismal season around with a clear message to his players.

"We really want to get some life into the second half of the year," he said yesterday.

The 31-year-old will coach Coburg in the VFL for the last time today before returning to Punt Road and charting a course for his 11 games as caretaker of the embattled club.

"The fundamentals are pretty good … finals footy this year might be a bit hard, but we'll play a sustainable brand that's going to stack up in finals for whoever takes over (and) whatever happens in the future. We'll be repetitive in how we go about it and there'll be a real level of consistency."

After slumping to their ninth loss this year in Friday night's 68-point flogging by the Western Bulldogs, the Richmond players woke yesterday to life without Terry Wallace as coach.

The task of rebuilding their shattered season now rests with the youngest senior coach in the league.

Rawlings paid tribute to Wallace, saying their friendship "will go well beyond now" after Wallace gave him an opportunity to coach after hanging up his boots in 2006.

"Terry Wallace afforded me opportunities at the age of 28 when I retired and I'm very fortunate to have worked under him," he said. "I consider him a mate, he's been terrific to me in two-and-a-half years."

Richmond assistant coaches Wayne Campbell, David King and Craig McRae all applied for the caretaker role, while Brian Royal opted out of the selection process.

"A couple of other guys are probably a bit disappointed, but the support I've had already from the assistant coaches and the players has been outstanding," Rawlings said.

The former Hawthorn, Bulldogs and North Melbourne player said he was "over the moon" when told he'd been successful and felt "very humbled and extremely excited" to be guiding the club on-field.

Rawlings refused to speculate about the senior coaching job beyond this season.

"I'm excited about this next 11 weeks and what we're going to try and implement," he said. "I'm very fortunate to be able to coach this footy club … we'll get this place going and continue to move forward."

His former coach at Hawthorn, Peter Schwab, said Rawlings had a good temperament for coaching and would grasp his opportunity over the second half of the season. "Jade was always interested in strategies, the way we set up and always had good, strong input as a player," Schwab said.

"It doesn't surprise me he's gone into coaching, by all accounts he's done very well at Coburg and he'll be very good with the young players."

Richmond president Gary March said it was a tough decision, but Rawlings' 18 months with Coburg was a significant factor in choosing him ahead of the other assistants.

"The decision came down to the fact Jade had coached his own side over the past two years and it was less disruption to our assistant coaching structure," he told SEN radio

"We just felt it was the best outcome for the football club, to get the best out of our list over the next 11 weeks."

He said Campbell, who came back to Punt Road after a brief role with the Bulldogs, would come under strong consideration for the job next year despite missing out this week.

"Wayne's taken it fantastically well, spoke to the group after Jade, and Wayne's about the best of the Richmond Football Club, so it doesn't discount him at all."

Asked if the Tigers would aim to lure ex-Collingwood captain Nathan Buckley, March said the club would seek out the best possible candidates to fill the coaching job next year.

"We would be sounding out any quality person of the ilk of Nathan … we won't discount anyone and we'll get the right person for the Richmond Football Club."

He also said Matthew Richardson, who is Rawlings' brother-in-law, was likely to play three or four games at the end of the year and "would probably go around" again next season.

Jade Rawlings - facts and figures
Age 31
Recruited from Devonport, Tasmania.
Drafted Pick No. 94 in 1994 AFL national draft.
Played Hawthorn (1996-03) 116 games, Western Bulldogs (04-05) 29, games, North Melbourne (2006) 3 games
Brownlow Medal votes 20
1998 AFL Rising Star nominee
2000 best clubman (Hawthorn)
2003 International Rules series
2003 Hawthorn 3rd best and fairest
2007-09 Richmond assistant/development coach
2008-09 Coburg (VFL) senior coach

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/rawlings-turns-to-job-at-hand/2009/06/06/1244234424271.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: one-eyed on June 07, 2009, 05:08:32 AM
David King on 3aw...

King admitted on 3AW yesterday he was disappointed at being overlooked, but thought the club might have been trying to protect his and Campbell's chances at the end of the year.

"I think for Wayne Campbell and myself, particularly, who have genuine aspirations to coach at senior AFL level, whether that is at Richmond or another club, I think the caretaker position is only a caretaker's position," King said.

"From their point of view, they wanted to protect us...so that was the club's logic behind it."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25595963-19742,00.html
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 07, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
David King on 3aw...

King admitted on 3AW yesterday he was disappointed at being overlooked, but thought the club might have been trying to protect his and Campbell's chances at the end of the year.

"I think for Wayne Campbell and myself, particularly, who have genuine aspirations to coach at senior AFL level, whether that is at Richmond or another club, I think the caretaker position is only a caretaker's position," King said.

"From their point of view, they wanted to protect us...so that was the club's logic behind it."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25595963-19742,00.html

Thats amazing by Kingy, seeing he will be getting a gig at 3AW next year ;)
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Jackstar is back on June 07, 2009, 10:06:55 AM
The media are going to make a big deal tomorrow about Rawlings get the caretaker gig ahead of Campbell because they thought Campbell was going to get it and to them this is a "shock decision"  ::).

Rawlings at 31 is the youngest senior coach of an AFL/VFL club since Malthouse started coaching at Footscray in 1984.
Obviously, they weren't in on the team meeting like Jack was.
I'll give it to Jack, he certainly has the leaks
Someone steal his phone next time you see him will ya lol


Its amazes me that the media ran with the Campbell thing, seeing that Rawlings was offered as caretaker coach at the meeting 2 weeks a ago
Whats even more of a puzzle is why didnt the club go and give Wallace the chop on the tuesday morning( 2 weeks ago) as they were going to do and all they had done was to prolong it for an extra 2 weeks, WHY ? :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 07, 2009, 10:12:59 AM
David King on 3aw...

King admitted on 3AW yesterday he was disappointed at being overlooked, but thought the club might have been trying to protect his and Campbell's chances at the end of the year.

"I think for Wayne Campbell and myself, particularly, who have genuine aspirations to coach at senior AFL level, whether that is at Richmond or another club, I think the caretaker position is only a caretaker's position," King said.

"From their point of view, they wanted to protect us...so that was the club's logic behind it."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25595963-19742,00.html

sour grapes..

goodbye Kingy, dont forget to shut the door behind u
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Tigermonk on June 07, 2009, 10:14:15 AM
thats why l said nothing but  ;D as you already put it out there, l knew  ;D The media are dumb
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Ramps on June 07, 2009, 10:30:49 AM
David King on 3aw...

King admitted on 3AW yesterday he was disappointed at being overlooked, but thought the club might have been trying to protect his and Campbell's chances at the end of the year.

"I think for Wayne Campbell and myself, particularly, who have genuine aspirations to coach at senior AFL level, whether that is at Richmond or another club, I think the caretaker position is only a caretaker's position," King said.

"From their point of view, they wanted to protect us...so that was the club's logic behind it."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25595963-19742,00.html

Thats amazing by Kingy, seeing he will be getting a gig at 3AW next year ;)


Good PR for the club though  :lol
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Tigermonk on June 07, 2009, 10:32:38 AM
he be one less leak at the club & go back to his beloved Kangaroos
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: WA Tiger on June 07, 2009, 11:05:09 AM

Just put all your hard earned on the tiges next week.


Come on Jackstar please, my 11 year old boy was BOG on Friday night in a curtain raiser between our town and another, HE could beat WC at the moment.
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Ramps on June 07, 2009, 12:25:50 PM

Just put all your hard earned on the tiges next week.


Come on Jackstar please, my 11 year old boy was BOG on Friday night in a curtain raiser between our town and another, HE could beat WC at the moment.

Whats that got to do with winning cash from the bookies?
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Tigermonk on June 07, 2009, 12:27:58 PM

Just put all your hard earned on the tiges next week.


Come on Jackstar please, my 11 year old boy was BOG on Friday night in a curtain raiser between our town and another, HE could beat WC at the moment.

Whats that got to do with winning cash from the bookies?

it means he got no idea Ramps ;D his on another planet, there like that in the West
Title: Tiger move 'a short-term fix': Leigh Matthews (afl)
Post by: one-eyed on June 07, 2009, 03:32:29 PM
Tiger move 'a short-term fix': Leigh Matthews
afl.com.au
By Murray Belkin 1:26 PM Sun 07 June, 2009

AFL LEGEND Leigh Matthews does not think recently-appointed Richmond coach Jade Rawlings will get the senior job in 2010.

“I think this is very much just a reserves coach being elevated to look after the seniors once the senior coach has moved on,” Matthews told BigPond Sports Weekend.

“I don’t think Richmond have put Jade Rawlings in the expectation that he has got much chance of being senior coach next year.”

Matthews said he was surprised the Tigers overlooked fellow assistants David King, Craig McRae and Wayne Campbell, the initial favourite to take over the side he captained from 2001 until 2004.

“Wayne Campbell would have been spoken of as one of the obvious assistant coaches that's maybe at the top of Richmond’s list to be their next senior coach,” he said.

“I’m not sure where this [appointment] sits.”

Currently coaching Coburg in the VFL and assisting Craig McRae in the Richmond development area, Rawlings will take the reins from Terry Wallace for the Tigers clash against West Coast at Docklands on Saturday night.

Matthews believes Rawlings has to make every one of his remaining 11 games in charge count to impress the powers at Tigerland for the senior role next year.

“You don’t get that many chances to coach senior footy – If you get the chance you got to take it and roll the dice,” said the four-time Premiership coach.

“It’s exciting for Jade Rawlings.”

The four-time Premiership coach says the Tigers player and coaches must now focus on building towards season 2010, putting their dismal start to season 2009 behind them.

“What’s important is everyone involved in the process at Richmond knows what their policy is, what their thinking is at this point in time,” he said.

Bulldogs Matthew Boyd supported Richmond’s decision to give the Rawlings, the Bulldogs leading goal kicker in 2004, a chance.

“He was a really good communicator and easy to talk to,” the Bulldog midfielder said of his time playing with Rawlings. “He really thought hard about the game and tactically as well.”

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/78394/default.aspx
Title: Caro on 3AW 9/6/09
Post by: one-eyed on June 09, 2009, 07:25:39 PM
Caro on 3aw tonight

* Choosing Rawlings meant the club had less changes to make before handing down the review and selection process. Caro doesn't believe Jade has a chance to get the job in 2010 no matter how well we do in the second half of this year.

* David King was clearly disappointed as you could tell in his voice on 3aw and has said he won't be going for the senior job next year. Interesting to see what happens with him as if he is heading elsewhere (North) you wouldn't think the Club would want him involved in the footy dept review and changes.

* Cambo - club saw him as not ready. Probably also easier to have him as an assistant rather than giving him the job now and then letting him down if he misses out on the full-time job.

* Club sees this year as a right off.

* Healy reckoned we should have given the caretaker role to Sheeds to unite the club. Caro responded by saying Sheeds was never in consideration for the role and he wouldn't necessarily unite the club.
Title: Re: Caro on 3AW 9/6/09
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 09, 2009, 07:28:46 PM
Caro on 3aw tonight

* Choosing Rawlings meant the club had less changes to make before handing down the review and selection process. Caro doesn't believe Jade has a chance to get the job in 2010 no matter how well we do in the second half of this year.


G Lyon disagreed last evening  ;D As Gary said 11 weeks is a long time  :rollin

Quote
* Cambo - club saw him as not ready. Probably also easier to have him as an assistant rather than giving him the job now and then letting him down if he misses out on the full-time job.


What the  ???

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* Healy reckoned we should have given the caretaker role to Sheeds to unite the club. Caro responded by saying Sheeds was never in consideration for the role and he wouldn't necessarily unite the club.

Caro and I agree  ;D
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: Muscles on June 10, 2009, 11:36:58 AM
I would have thought that an incoming coach would want to be surrounded by his own selected set of assistants.  Could RFC reasonably be able to demand that a selected group of assistant coaches get gigs under the new regime?

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Title: Polished Jade shows hard edge (RFC)
Post by: one-eyed on June 12, 2009, 06:59:19 PM
Polished Jade shows hard edge
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen  Fri 12 June, 2009

IF JADE Rawlings is approaching the second half of this season as a job application – and what caretaker coach wouldn't? – he's made an impressive start off the field.

Rawlings took over from former Tigers coach Terry Wallace on Saturday, but has already impressed with both his ability to handle the media and to make the hard decisions, with five senior players dropped for this weekend's clash with the Eagles.

Rawlings comes across as honest and friendly – like a taller and less-blonde version of another successful young coach in Matthew Knights.

Like Knights, his honesty is refreshing, as is the friendliness and willingness to either answer questions or say he's not answering them.

When asked if he was already casting an eye to next year, Rawlings stated the obvious facts, rather than taking the obvious opportunity to duck the question.

"I said last Saturday that I'm well aware this is a caretaker role for 2009 – where it takes things beyond this year will be up to the footy club, and obviously my performance in the second half of the year," he said.

"But I'm very excited to be able to be able to shape this group of players – men – for the second half of the year for 11 games.

"That's a great opportunity that I've been fortunate enough to be given."

But Rawlings also showed the steel beneath the urbane exterior, with five players axed at match committee, with one being passionate Tiger Joel Bowden, a decision that has upset a large number of Richmond supporters.

When asked if he was a 'firm, strong person', Rawlings was unequivocal.

"It's for other people to judge how I am, but I don't think you can get to be able to fulfil this role without that characteristic.

"If I need to be ruthless to make a point, I think I can be. You just can't make your way in this game without having a strong character within you.

"I've faced a fair bit of adversity in my time as a player, and also making my way as a coach.

"These players need strong messages and boundaries – what they can and can't do – and we'll let them make decisions within that.

Rawlings said while he could see how people outside the club could see the selection policy this week as ruthless, he saw it differently.

"People have said to me during the week 'can you see how this might look', but that's for other people to judge.

"We're doing what we think's right for the footy club."

Easily the youngest senior coach in the system, Rawlings said he would have no problem stamping his authority on the group.

"This is my third year here, and my main focus when I got here was to try and establish some respect from the players.

"They would have had their own opinions of me from what I did in my playing career – I want to be judged as a coach.

"I really worked hard, along with Craig McRae when we first got here, to establish ourselves with earning trust and respect, and I'd like to think I've got that from the players with how I've operated over the last few years.”

But does he really want the job? Is it something he's dreamed of for a long time?

"I thought about that just the other day – people asked me 'do you want to be an AFL senior coach', and I said 'well, there were times when five days out of seven I thought yes, and two days out of seven I thought no', some of the time what you're subjected to.

"I suppose it is a dream – I got reminded a few times this week from people who got in touch with me, saying 'oh, you said you wanted to do this years ago', so I suppose it is in a way."

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/blogarticle/tabid/14215/newsid/78729/default.aspx
Title: Re: JACKSTAR WAS RIGHT - WALLET GONE, RAWLINGS CARETAKER
Post by: cub on June 12, 2009, 07:01:00 PM
This still going  ??? What was the topic  ???