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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 10, 2009, 02:33:53 AM
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Caro in today's Age...
The Richmond board met last night and put in place the bones of a senior coaching panel to oversee the biggest decision that has faced March since he took over as Richmond president in 2006.
The Tigers board will be represented on the sub-committee — most likely in the form of football director Tony Free — along with football boss Cameron.
An outside consultant will be brought in but no recruitment firm will take part in the process, which will be formalised over the coming week.
The massive decisions facing the club, the worst performed in the AFL despite some financial gains in recent years under March and Wright, will be thrashed out at a management retreat on the Gold Coast which will coincide with the Tigers' July 4 clash against Adelaide at Carrara.
Richmond assistant Wayne Campbell, another former captain, was also disappointed to be overlooked for the caretaker role, but is understood to remain a major part of the club's plans moving forward and should be encouraged to apply for the 2010 coaching position.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2009/06/09/1244313137784.html
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Great Tony "my mates Campbell" Free will be in on it, thats it then all over.... :whistle
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According to 3aw's whispers Ben Crowe is expected to be the outside consultant in the coaching subcommittee.
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Great Tony "my mates Campbell" Free will be in on it, thats it then all over.... :whistle
Yep you'd think that at first notion WA as I did. I am hopeful its not as it is our last chance to get some credibility out of a horrible year with the appointing of a decent coach and the direction that the club is hoping to attain.
If though there is nepotism shown by Free internally for Campbell and it influences the other members of the sub commitee expect
Campbell coach
and Nick Daffy to come back from his domestic life in Geelong to be Cambo's assistant.
It will be just like the mid 90's when Campbell and Daffy lived together.
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Please Tuckerbag do not mention Daffy and Campbell in the same sentence.... :P
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Too many men from an era of no success.
You'd think Gale would be the next prez.
Sure they are successful in their endeavours away from RFC but running your livelihood and bread and butter to running a footy club the way you want to is two entirely different things.Too many of them there at the same time and it will be difficult to deflate those huge ego bags. For me they already have their bread and butter and their re emergence at RFC at such a time of uncertainty is merely for a manipulation of extra condiment such as jam and peanut butter to their burgeoning and voracious appetites that RFC hopefully won't be dumb enough to supply.
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I thought March said we'd be following a full recruitment process to find the next coach?
Putting Tony Free in charge with one other bloke is hardly a comprehensive process, get someone independent for Geez sake
I have a really bad feeling about this
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I have a really bad feeling about this
Oh yeah me too!!
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I thought March said we'd be following a full recruitment process to find the next coach?
Putting Tony Free in charge with one other bloke is hardly a comprehensive process, get someone independent for Geez sake
I have a really bad feeling about this
Deep breath folks :thumbsup
the article says the Club has "put in place the bones of a senior coaching panel to oversee the biggest decision" the club has to make. I take "bones" to mean they have just started and will finalise over the next few weeks
It goes onto say "The Tigers board will be represented on the sub-committee — most likely in the form of football director Tony Free — along with football boss Cameron". Bottom line is the director responsible for football should be on that committee.
It also says clearly "an outside consultant will be brought in but no recruitment firm will take part in the process, which will be formalised over the coming week"
So they are going to go outside and get a consultant... I don't actually think you need a recruiting firm. Dare I say it and I am pretty sure but the Saints didn't use one when they selected Lyon and they seemed to be going along OK ;D
Let's just wait and see who and how many (outside consultants) it is before we start getting to worried
:gotigers
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RICHMOND
The net will be cast wide, but the Tigers now have another club in the race for Nathan Buckley. Soon to start interviewing prospective candidates.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25648811-19742,00.html
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Matthews rejects Tigers' call for help
Greg Denham | June 24, 2009 | The Australian
FOUR-time premiership coach Leigh Matthews is the second AFL great to reject an offer to join the panel in charge of selecting Richmond's new full-time coach.
The Brisbane-based Matthews, who cited logistical reasons as the main drawback in helping Richmond find the man to replace Terry Wallace, joins Kevin Sheedy in knocking back the Tigers' offer of an official advisory capacity.
Richmond remains undecided on whether it will rely on its internal sub-committee, or add an "outside" person for the second stage of the selection process to narrow the field of candidates.
Board approval following final interviews will be required following a recommendation from the sub-committee.
Richmond's initial coaching panel will consist of general manager of football operations Craig Cameron, football director Tony Free, chief executive Steven Wright and the club's development and learning manager, psychologist Jeff Bond.
North Melbourne premiership coach Denis Pagan has not been approached for his professional input, presumably because of his well-publicised desire to be considered for another senior coaching role after his time at the Kangaroos and Carlton.
Matthews, who has won flags as a coach with Collingwood and three times with the Lions, was guarded yesterday because of an exclusive commercial agreement he has with the AFL website.
But his message was clear: he is not interested in the Richmond coaching position.
Despite a media report that he would invite clubs without coaches beyond 2009 to phone him so he could entertain what they were offering, Matthews described his chances of coaching next year as 500-1. He said that while he might accept a phone call from either Richmond or the Kangaroos about their vacant coaching position, nothing should be read into that.
"The fact is some days I'm 100 per cent not interested and other days I'm only 99 per cent not interested," Matthews said on radio. "That's about where it stands, no one should be thinking of me as a potential coach."
He described speculation of him coaching at a third club as having no substance, and a total exaggeration. As well as writing his column on the AFL website, Matthews has an ongoing arrangement as a commentator with the Seven Network, which is believed to extend beyond this year. He resigned as Brisbane coach late last year.
Matthews had selected Richmond over North Melbourne as the club with the most potential for a new coach, but admitted that judgment was made after minimal thought.
Sheedy, a veteran of 886 games as an AFL player and coach, ruled himself out of returning to Punt Road next year as a permanent replacement for Wallace and interim coach Jade Rawlings.
He also excused himself from any involvement in a caretaker role with Richmond for the remaining 11 rounds, or in a role on the Tigers' advisory coaching panel because of work commitments he has with the AFL.
Sheedy, 61, will instead concentrate on the establishment of the AFL's 18th licence in western Sydney.
The AFL is expected to announce Sheedy's involvement with the new club from Sydney's west next month.
"I haven't put my hand up or applied for a senior job since Melbourne at the end of 2007," Sheedy said. "Down the track somewhere there may be someone who needs my help and I'm not in a position yet to never say never to coaching again."
Meanwhile, North Melbourne will not go outside the club when it this week appoints its coaching sub-committee. Chairman James Brayshaw will update directors tonight on No1 choice Nathan Buckley's availability and willingness to coach the club following several meetings with Buckley's manager Craig Kelly.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25680995-2722,00.html
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We really should get organised and get this process up and running- its not a good look waiting for blokes to get on a panel only to be rejected and for it to get into the papers.
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Lethal preferred to be on the rules committee instead
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25683853-19742,00.html
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Lethal on Tiger rejection
By Jason Phelan 5:10 PM Wed 24 June, 2009
HE MAY be a four-time premiership coach, but the idea of helping a club choose a new top man is not one that appeals to Leigh Matthews.
Matthews was asked to join Richmond's hunt for Terry Wallace’s replacement last week, but told afl.com.au that the idea of helping the club find a new coach did not grab his imagination.
"I was only spoken to about the potential of being involved in the coaching selection process [at Richmond]. I hadn't even thought about it, but someone asked me and I thought it wasn't really for me,” Matthews said.
"If one of the clubs that I'd been involved with had asked, well you'd give it a second thought, but I haven't been involved with Richmond. It's nothing against the club, but I just haven't been involved there and I haven't got any great interest in that kind of vocation.
"If Hawthorn had asked me or Collingwood or the Lions you'd give it a second thought, but that's about it."
North Melbourne is also on the lookout for a new coach, but Matthews confirmed Richmond had been the only club to approach him.
He was bemused by reports in the media earlier in the week suggesting he had an interest in either of the senior coaching vacancies.
"I've got no intention of having any role with any football club next year," he said.
"I haven't been asked by anyone to coach, but I'm not seeking a coaching position. I've said that clearly.
Matthews said the desire to be involved in football is always strong, but denied he was looking to jump back into a senior position.
"It's a bit like: once a coach always a coach.
“There's part of Tommy Hafey that would still want to coach, there's part of Allan Jeans that would still want to coach, there'll always be a part of you that wants to coach, but when you get into ifs, buts and maybes that's when people start to take license with what you say.
"The reality is there's always a part of you that wants to coach, but that doesn't mean you'll ever coach again."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/79308/default.aspx
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leighs been known to change his mind :whistle
not concerned after listening to the guys speak last night at the club 80 function.
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Leight Matthews rejects Tigers' call
Greg Denham | June 24, 2009 01:44pm
LEIGH Matthews is the second AFL great to reject an offer to join the panel in charge of selecting Richmond's new full-time coach. The Brisbane-based Matthews, who cited logistical reasons as the main drawback in helping Richmond find the man to replace Terry Wallace, joins Kevin Sheedy in knocking back the Tigers' offer of an official advisory capacity, The Australian reports.
Richmond remains undecided on whether it will rely on its internal sub-committee, or add an "outside" person for the second stage of the selection process to narrow the field of candidates.
Board approval following final interviews will be required following a recommendation from the sub-committee.
Richmond's initial coaching panel will consist of general manager of football operations Craig Cameron, football director Tony Free, chief executive Steven Wright and the club's development and learning manager, psychologist Jeff Bond.
North Melbourne premiership coach Denis Pagan has not been approached for his professional input, presumably because of his well-publicised desire to be considered for another senior coaching role after his time at the Kangaroos and Carlton.
Matthews, who has won flags as a coach with Collingwood and three times with the Lions, was guarded yesterday because of an exclusive commercial agreement he has with the AFL website.
But his message was clear: he is not interested in the Richmond coaching position
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25683574-19742,00.html
"Richmond remains undecided on whether it will rely on its internal sub-committee, or add an "outside" person for the second stage of the selection process to narrow the field of candidates.
Board approval following final interviews will be required following a recommendation from the sub-committee.
Richmond's initial coaching panel will consist of general manager of football operations Craig Cameron, football director Tony Free, chief executive Steven Wright and the club's development and learning manager, psychologist Jeff Bond."
Now this is the part of the story above that worries the crap out of me, this is heading the way we don't need to go and I said this would happen from the start. "Undecided" and the same old board members on the panel???
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Caro in today's Age...
The Richmond board met last night and put in place the bones of a senior coaching panel to oversee the biggest decision that has faced March since he took over as Richmond president in 2006.
The Tigers board will be represented on the sub-committee — most likely in the form of football director Tony Free — along with football boss Cameron.
An outside consultant will be brought in but no recruitment firm will take part in the process, which will be formalised over the coming week.
The massive decisions facing the club, the worst performed in the AFL despite some financial gains in recent years under March and Wright, will be thrashed out at a management retreat on the Gold Coast which will coincide with the Tigers' July 4 clash against Adelaide at Carrara.
Richmond assistant Wayne Campbell, another former captain, was also disappointed to be overlooked for the caretaker role, but is understood to remain a major part of the club's plans moving forward and should be encouraged to apply for the 2010 coaching position.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2009/06/09/1244313137784.html
yep i dont like this
can someone confirm the relationship between Free and Campbell. Is it just gossip or are they really great mates.
For once can we do the stuffin thing and choose the best candidate
If its Campbell good, if its bucks good but can we not fall into the same trap again.
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settle down people best practices have been put in place. :thumbsup
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settle down people best practices have been put in place. :thumbsup
WTF...... Where?????
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settle down people best practices have been put in place. :thumbsup
WTF...... Where?????
Exactly, that would be a first
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settle down people best practices have been put in place. :thumbsup
Agreed 3rogerd
Folks don't believe everything you read in the paper.... sometimes the media create stories because they cannot get a story.
WTF...... Where?????
Why do you doubt it? Just becaaus it hasn't been leaked ;D :rollin
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Lol, it's barely a story that Lethal said no considering he already had a gig with the rules committee. Makes perfect sense.
And WATiger do you expect RFC to devulge to you all aspects, processes and systems of the coaching sub-committee to you? ::)
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settle down people best practices have been put in place. :thumbsup
Agreed 3rogerd
Folks don't believe everything you read in the paper.... sometimes the media create stories because they cannot get a story.
WTF...... Where?????
Why do you doubt it? Just becaaus it hasn't been leaked ;D :rollin
spot on wp
btw, terry the siv is not there anymore, the flood has stopped and the sun is shining :thumbsup
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Too many men from an era of no success.
You'd think Gale would be the next prez.
Sure they are successful in their endeavours away from RFC but running your livelihood and bread and butter to running a footy club the way you want to is two entirely different things.Too many of them there at the same time and it will be difficult to deflate those huge ego bags. For me they already have their bread and butter and their re emergence at RFC at such a time of uncertainty is merely for a manipulation of extra condiment such as jam and peanut butter to their burgeoning and voracious appetites that RFC hopefully won't be dumb enough to supply.
so tell me Tucker where does Knighter fit into that era of success or doesn't he count.
Look at what he has done there. SCARY!!! Such depth they have got still with the likes of Mcveigh, Hill out and a half dozen 1st rounders yet to play.
He was laughed at, ridiculed by Bomber fans as they chose him over Hardwick and now look who is laughing. THEY ARE AND WE ARE NOT!!
i couldnt give a stuff who has had success as a player or not its who can coach and who has what it takes to instill discipline and hardwork into a bunch of softies. If its campo, if its hardwick, if its bucks so be it but not another salesman like that loser wallet.
WHEN, NOT IF KNIGHTER IS SIGNED UP TO ANOTHER 3/4 YEAR CONTRACT WE WILL HAVE HANDED ANOTHER 2 SUCCESSFUL COACHES TO THE BOMBERS.
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Too many men from an era of no success.
You'd think Gale would be the next prez.
Sure they are successful in their endeavours away from RFC but running your livelihood and bread and butter to running a footy club the way you want to is two entirely different things.Too many of them there at the same time and it will be difficult to deflate those huge ego bags. For me they already have their bread and butter and their re emergence at RFC at such a time of uncertainty is merely for a manipulation of extra condiment such as jam and peanut butter to their burgeoning and voracious appetites that RFC hopefully won't be dumb enough to supply.
so tell me Tucker where does Knighter fit into that era of success or doesn't he count.
Look at what he has done there. SCARY!!! Such depth they have got still with the likes of Mcveigh, Hill out and a half dozen 1st rounders yet to play.
He was laughed at, ridiculed by Bomber fans as they chose him over Hardwick and now look who is laughing. THEY ARE AND WE ARE NOT!!
i couldnt give a eff who has had success as a player or not its who can coach and who has what it takes to instill discipline and hardwork into a bunch of softies. If its campo, if its hardwick, if its bucks so be it but not another salesman like that loser wallet.
WHEN, NOT IF KNIGHTER IS SIGNED UP TO ANOTHER 3/4 YEAR CONTRACT WE WILL HAVE HANDED ANOTHER 2 SUCCESSFUL COACHES TO THE BOMBERS.
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settle down people best practices have been put in place. :thumbsup
Agreed 3rogerd
Folks don't believe everything you read in the paper.... sometimes the media create stories because they cannot get a story.
WTF...... Where?????
Why do you doubt it? Just becaaus it hasn't been leaked ;D :rollin
spot on wp
btw, terry the siv is not there anymore, the flood has stopped and the sun is shining :thumbsup
Can't let it go can you TT, the John Lenon senario is becoming very scary with you mate.... :help
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To those of you that are going on about the leaking information and the divulging of information to me as a member.......... honesty to the supporters would not hurt.. surley?????? :whistle ::) :o
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Too many men from an era of no success.
You'd think Gale would be the next prez.
Sure they are successful in their endeavours away from RFC but running your livelihood and bread and butter to running a footy club the way you want to is two entirely different things.Too many of them there at the same time and it will be difficult to deflate those huge ego bags. For me they already have their bread and butter and their re emergence at RFC at such a time of uncertainty is merely for a manipulation of extra condiment such as jam and peanut butter to their burgeoning and voracious appetites that RFC hopefully won't be dumb enough to supply.
so tell me Tucker where does Knighter fit into that era of success or doesn't he count.
Look at what he has done there. SCARY!!! Such depth they have got still with the likes of Mcveigh, Hill out and a half dozen 1st rounders yet to play.
He was laughed at, ridiculed by Bomber fans as they chose him over Hardwick and now look who is laughing. THEY ARE AND WE ARE NOT!!
i couldnt give a eff who has had success as a player or not its who can coach and who has what it takes to instill discipline and hardwork into a bunch of softies. If its campo, if its hardwick, if its bucks so be it but not another salesman like that loser wallet.
WHEN, NOT IF KNIGHTER IS SIGNED UP TO ANOTHER 3/4 YEAR CONTRACT WE WILL HAVE HANDED ANOTHER 2 SUCCESSFUL COACHES TO THE BOMBERS.
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44 years old and you chase my posts with a :sleep. LMAO
:sleep
apology accepted
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Daniel...i do not agree with you often, but on this occasion i do.
I too dont care who the coach is as long as the club goes through the proper process and appoints a coach who:
a) is a person who instils discipline, hard work ethic, selfless team orienated play in the players
b) fits the RFC
c) as Craig Cameron said in the recent article in the papers...has a short term and long term vision for the club
d) commands the respect of the players.
Having been at the recent Club 80 function - i have faith that whoever the club selects will have all of these criteria. The club is leaving no stone unturned to find the right person...
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Too many men from an era of no success.
You'd think Gale would be the next prez.
Sure they are successful in their endeavours away from RFC but running your livelihood and bread and butter to running a footy club the way you want to is two entirely different things.Too many of them there at the same time and it will be difficult to deflate those huge ego bags. For me they already have their bread and butter and their re emergence at RFC at such a time of uncertainty is merely for a manipulation of extra condiment such as jam and peanut butter to their burgeoning and voracious appetites that RFC hopefully won't be dumb enough to supply.
so tell me Tucker where does Knighter fit into that era of success or doesn't he count.
Look at what he has done there. SCARY!!! Such depth they have got still with the likes of Mcveigh, Hill out and a half dozen 1st rounders yet to play.
He was laughed at, ridiculed by Bomber fans as they chose him over Hardwick and now look who is laughing. THEY ARE AND WE ARE NOT!!
i couldnt give a eff who has had success as a player or not its who can coach and who has what it takes to instill discipline and hardwork into a bunch of softies. If its campo, if its hardwick, if its bucks so be it but not another salesman like that loser wallet.
WHEN, NOT IF KNIGHTER IS SIGNED UP TO ANOTHER 3/4 YEAR CONTRACT WE WILL HAVE HANDED ANOTHER 2 SUCCESSFUL COACHES TO THE BOMBERS.
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44 years old and you chase my posts with a :sleep. LMAO
:sleep
apology accepted
53 years old actually.
:thumbsup
The 1965 is a long story.
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To those of you that are going on about the leaking information and the divulging of information to me as a member.......... honesty to the supporters would not hurt.. surley?????? :whistle ::) :o
WAT - as soon as the sub committee was finalised - we (the members) were informed via the Tiger bulletin and it was on the RFC web-site before it was released to the media
To me it appeared you had an issue/preception that the club wasn't doing anything or at the speed at which you thought it should. My argument was and remains that just because it isn't blurted out via leaks to the media doens't mean they are not doing anything
Bottom line is we got told first exactly what the process is going to be via a members email and via the web-site - just the way it should be
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The concern WP is that its a very internal Richmond process. Not much outside exposure or independent influence. Not drawing on wider skills and experience in the AFL industry is very typical Richmond and suggests there is already a predetermined outcome.
Fishing in a shallow gene pool never leads to success
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utlising Lindsey gaze is actually a good idea, a doyan of coaching he must be able to add something to the criteria on selecting an aspiring coach...I am glad that the likes of matthews and Walls are not involved as they have obvious leanings to their former players that tends to remove objectivity
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The concern WP is that its a very internal Richmond process. Not much outside exposure or independent influence. Not drawing on wider skills and experience in the AFL industry is very typical Richmond and suggests there is already a predetermined outcome.
Fishing in a shallow gene pool never leads to success
out of interest who did Hawthorn and Essendon include onto the panel that was outside the immediacy of the club :o...would appear on the surface to have got it right :whistle
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utlising Lindsey gaze is actually a good idea, a doyan of coaching he must be able to add something to the criteria on selecting an aspiring coach...I am glad that the likes of matthews and Walls are not involved as they have obvious leanings to their former players that tends to remove objectivity
Fair enough. I just like the idea of the first round being conducted by an independent external party. The final decision should be made by the club's board, then wtf are they all involved in 1st and 2nd rounds? Its a joke March is involved in the 2nd round when he is making the final decision. He is getting involved early to ensure the process goes the way he wants it to go.
Gaze may be a good idea but he has no authority in the process.
A lot of the clubs now use specialist football recruiting firms who do nothing more than keep close tabs on everyone in the market. Its professional.
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The concern WP is that its a very internal Richmond process. Not much outside exposure or independent influence. Not drawing on wider skills and experience in the AFL industry is very typical Richmond and suggests there is already a predetermined outcome.
Fishing in a shallow gene pool never leads to success
out of interest who did Hawthorn and Essendon include onto the panel that was outside the immediacy of the club :o...would appear on the surface to have got it right :whistle
Out of interest who did both Geelong and St. Kilda use?
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The concern WP is that its a very internal Richmond process. Not much outside exposure or independent influence. Not drawing on wider skills and experience in the AFL industry is very typical Richmond and suggests there is already a predetermined outcome.
Fishing in a shallow gene pool never leads to success
out of interest who did Hawthorn and Essendon include onto the panel that was outside the immediacy of the club :o...would appear on the surface to have got it right :whistle
Out of interest who did both Geelong and St. Kilda use?
The Saints had Robert Walls on theirs.
Essendon's was more in-house IIRC. It came down to Knights and Hardwick in the final interview. The Hawks refused Hardwick taking his work laptop so that stuffed him up. Knighter was apparently more bullish about their list and had a better understanding of indigenous players.
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According to scooty over at PRE here is a list of the applicants
T viney
J leppisch
M riley
B scott
A richerdson
C scott
B mitchell
K hinkley
D hardwick
D laidley
S wellman
J cripps
W campbell
L tudor
J longmire
P sumich
L cameron
G ayres
P german
Also guys like buckley will be approached
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Laidley hasn't applied and there's 10-15 applicants who have.
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T viney - cant see it myself
J leppisch - outsider
M riley - no
B scott - big outsider
A richerdson - smokie for the job & in the hunt
C scott - outsider
B mitchell - no
K hinkley - see alan richardson
D hardwick - yep
D laidley - some saying hasnt applied
S wellman - cant see it
J cripps - cant see it
W campbell - to early
L tudor - long outsider
J longmire - cant see it
P sumich - outsider not without a chance
L cameron - better than some on this list but probably no
G ayres - no
P german - no
Also guys like buckley will be approached
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Laidley hasn't applied and there's 10-15 applicants who have.
thank god
dont rate him at all..
see Nort's draft picks which have included Hay, Thompson in the past.
NO THANKS. Another glorified version of Wallet.
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T viney - cant see it myself
J leppisch - outsider
M riley - no
B scott - big outsider
A richerdson - smokie for the job & in the hunt
C scott - outsider
B mitchell - no
K hinkley - see alan richardson
D hardwick - yep
D laidley - some saying hasnt applied
S wellman - cant see it
J cripps - cant see it
W campbell - to early
L tudor - long outsider
J longmire - cant see it
P sumich - outsider not without a chance
L cameron - better than some on this list but probably no
G ayres - no
P german - no
Also guys like buckley will be approached
Pretty much agree w that Ramps.
Except I reckon Brad Scott is generally regarded as a better football brain & a more stable bloke than Chris as well as having more experience and a better reputation.
Also I reckon John Longmire is a very well regarded coach and is ready for the next step. A pretty bland media performer despite his experience in that world might count against him.
Blokes like C Scott and S Wellman are almost no chance. I actually don't believe this list is legit.