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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Go Richo 12 on July 26, 2009, 09:18:21 PM
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I never rated him early on but his performance is growing on me each day! Not only does he have the balls to make the unpopular decisions but the he seems to be capable of getting the best out of the young blokes.
Edwards-better
King-better
Post- will be awesome
Vickery- improving each game
Riewoldt- better
Silvester- not up to AFL but is holding his own
Nahas- improving each week
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although we dont want to do another Geisch do we ????? :banghead :banghead
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although we dont want to do another Geisch do we ????? :banghead :banghead
True Jack, but i think Jade is all over the Geish!
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I don't care who is coach but lets not get emotional over a win towards the end of the year.
We went down this path with Gieschen in 97, emotional win over Carlton at Optus Oval and it all went awry for us. Leave emotion out of it.
We have a process in place and we are sticking to it. If Jade comes out trumps after that process and he is the best candidate then yes he will be signed up if not then that person will be. Being emotive has got us nowhere. We stick to our plan and separate the on field from this process and que se ra se ra.
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although we dont want to do another Geisch do we ????? :banghead :banghead
some supporters they see a win where the team just falls over the line & what to install the caretaker haha
must admit some thought went into them tags, Cousins is one of the best footballers l ever seen, his a champion
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although we dont want to do another Geisch do we ????? :banghead :banghead
I'm not agreeing one way or the other but your statement is pretty simplistic. Geisch was a cartaker, Jade is a cartaker, that is the only comparison you can make, anything else that might be said is pure spin.
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Youre all correct about the emotion of a close win but my post is more about the improvement in the younger players as opposed to the points!
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I don't care who is coach but lets not get emotional over a win towards the end of the year.
We went down this path with Gieschen in 97, emotional win over Carlton at Optus Oval and it all went awry for us. Leave emotion out of it.
We have a process in place and we are sticking to it. If Jade comes out trumps after that process and he is the best candidate then yes he will be signed up if not then that person will be. Being emotive has got us nowhere. We stick to our plan and separate the on field from this process and que se ra se ra.
Spot on Tucky :yep
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I don't care who is coach but lets not get emotional over a win towards the end of the year.
We went down this path with Gieschen in 97, emotional win over Carlton at Optus Oval and it all went awry for us. Leave emotion out of it.
We have a process in place and we are sticking to it. If Jade comes out trumps after that process and he is the best candidate then yes he will be signed up if not then that person will be. Being emotive has got us nowhere. We stick to our plan and separate the on field from this process and que se ra se ra.
Spot on Tucky :yep
que se ra se ra?
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Youre all correct about the emotion of a close win but my post is more about the improvement in the younger players as opposed to the points!
Maybe that's a reflection on what the former coach wasn't doing as much as it is a sign of Jade's good work with the kids.
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que se ra ra- Whatever will be will be. :thumbsup
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que se ra ra- Whatever will be will be. :thumbsup
Cheers! Hope you dont mind it if i use that one late night in a pub!
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que se ra ra- Whatever will be will be. :thumbsup
Cheers! Hope you dont mind it if i use that one late night in a pub!
Not at all. Hope it works with the fairer sex. :thumbsup
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although we dont want to do another Geisch do we ????? :banghead :banghead
Yep, must stay impartial.
Rawlings clearly communicates well and at least has the ability to ensure we are competitive.
However we need more than that, we need a man who can create and have the player execute a gameplan that exposes the opposition from round 1 of the AFL season. I don't know if Rawlings has got that but that's why he's being interviewed, to find out.
So no, Rawlings is no where near over the line, nor should he be.
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There is absolutely no chance in hell that I would say he needs to be given the job next year
That being said, if he goes up against the candidates we have who've applied and outshines them all then by all means give him the job.
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If he wins more games then Wallace this year ;D which l hope he does than it will make Wallace look very stupid in the football circle :pray
we needs wins to medicate our supporters from past torture ;D wins at all cost. Build a winning culture with what we have & change the feeling at the club
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If he wins more games then Wallace this year ;D which l hope he does than it will make Wallace look very stupid in the football circle :pray
we needs wins to medicate our supporters from past torture ;D wins at all cost. Build a winning culture with what we have & change the feeling at the club
Wouldnt be to hard to make Wallace look stupid, recent comments has him headed past stupid to complete imbecile status. And we gave him a 5 year contract :banghead :banghead :banghead
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If he wins more games then Wallace this year ;D which l hope he does than it will make Wallace look very stupid in the football circle :pray
we needs wins to medicate our supporters from past torture ;D wins at all cost. Build a winning culture with what we have & change the feeling at the club
Wouldnt be to hard to make Wallace look stupid, recent comments has him headed past stupid to complete imbecile status. And we gave him a 5 year contract :banghead :banghead :banghead
someone told me today he was on the TAC show with his son, is he taking a leaf from Joe Jackson promoting his son these days ;D
no-one will want to take him cause leatherskin will be attached to him. Poor lad ;D
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If he wins more games then Wallace this year ;D which l hope he does than it will make Wallace look very stupid in the football circle :pray
we needs wins to medicate our supporters from past torture ;D wins at all cost. Build a winning culture with what we have & change the feeling at the club
Jade already has a better record for the year sewn up. :-X
Wallace: 2W-9L
Rawlings: 2W-1D-3L
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we are in a great position where we can benchmark the rookie candidates against what Rawlo has to offer and he has certainly raised the bar...i reckon he'll be in it for a long way :shh
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I went bananas when the Geisch brought the 3Q time huddle right up to the boundary line in front of the cheer squad and every bloke was screaming hysterically they wanted him to be appointed as the next coach.
We won that game too.
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I went bananas when the Geisch brought the 3Q time huddle right up to the boundary line in front of the cheer squad and every bloke was screaming hysterically they wanted him to be appointed as the next coach.
We won that game too.
Princess Park against Carlton
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yeah i was at that game...there's still a way to go and plenty more opportunites for rawlo to press his claims
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I went bananas when the Geisch brought the 3Q time huddle right up to the boundary line in front of the cheer squad and every bloke was screaming hysterically they wanted him to be appointed as the next coach.
We won that game too.
Princess Park against Carlton
:thumbsup
And lots of short memories around these parts
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If any candidate can outshine Jade during the "PROCESS" we are going to end up with a very good coach....
Jade is a beaut. :thumbsup
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Has he ever won a Premiership at senior level as a Player or Coach?
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I never rated him early on but his performance is growing on me each day! Not only does he have the balls to make the unpopular decisions but the he seems to be capable of getting the best out of the young blokes.
Edwards-better
King-better
Post- will be awesome
Vickery- improving each game
Riewoldt- better
Silvester- not up to AFL but is holding his own
Nahas- improving each week
hahaha what drugs are you on???
your response is typical of what has been going at our club for the last 30 years.
making decisions based on emotion.
pathetic comment
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When Rawlings made the comments he made today about McMahon, he lost me as a supporter for his candidacy. Im against him. If he gets the job its a huge mistake. Can someone tell me if he has ever wona premiership anywhere as a player or coach or been involved at any club thats won a flag.
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I never rated him early on but his performance is growing on me each day! Not only does he have the balls to make the unpopular decisions but the he seems to be capable of getting the best out of the young blokes.
Edwards-better
King-better
Post- will be awesome
Vickery- improving each game
Riewoldt- better
Silvester- not up to AFL but is holding his own
Nahas- improving each week
hahaha what drugs are you on???
your response is typical of what has been going at our club for the last 30 years.
making decisions based on emotion.
pathetic comment
Why are the comments pathetic, Daniel? Please dont add a comment like that and not elaborate!
I started a thread, alot disagree but do so in a well rounded, reasonable argument and then you come along....
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Can someone tell me if he has ever wona premiership anywhere as a player or coach or been involved at any club thats won a flag.
Not sure of the relevance Ramps?
Roos had never been involved at a club that one a flag until he coached Sydney to one.
Matty Knights is the same but he looks like he going to be a very very good coach
And the coaching messiah to so many - N Buckley is in the same boat I would think, certainly at AFL level
So I am not sure what the relevance is to be honest
And just on Jordie - haven't you ever heard of talking up someone's currency :lol :rollin
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Not sure of the relevance Ramps?
Roos had never been involved at a club that one a flag until he coached Sydney to one.
Matty Knights is the same but he looks like he going to be a very very good coach
And the coaching messiah to so many - N Buckley is in the same boat I would think, certainly at AFL level
So I am not sure what the relevance is to be honest
Agree WP. AFL is simply an anomaly in that many ex-premiership players have been winning coaches over the last few years. Not helped by the dominance of Sheedy, Matthews, Malthouse, Blight over the last 20 years. It was just 'ex-premiership players' then Clarkson came along so it became 'ex-premiership players or those otherwise involved in premierships at AFL level'.
Its a very weak theory.
A good communicator, hard taskmaster, someone who makes the players better themselves and earn his respect. Thats all I want.
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Jake has certainly gone up in my estimation. It's the way reputations don't count for anything. If he's displeased with Tuck's efficiency rate being down to 40%, he gets dropped.Jacko gives away a silly free in the opening minute of the game, and gets dragged. Deledio is challenged by Jade and the leadership group to start playing more accountable footy, or go back to Coburg, and he responds. King was looking gone for all money a few weeks back, and he has turned his game around. We could all rattle off any number of players who have improved significantly since Wallace's departure. I think it's all about mutual respect. Look, I think we should stick with a very diligent process, and leave no box unticked. But Rawlings is doing his case no harm.
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history is the best indicator of future performance, Rawlings has no premiership experience. Just coz he can talk the talk doesnt mean he will be a success. Emotional responses from the clubs supporters got Gieschen the job, lets not make the same mistake.
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history is the best indicator of future performance, Rawlings has no premiership experience. Just coz he can talk the talk doesnt mean he will be a success. Emotional responses from the clubs supporters got Gieschen the job, lets not make the same mistake.
Was Geishen such a big mistake? He wasnt that successful but neither were so called more credentialled coaches both before and after the Giesh!
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did tom hafey win any premierships as a player, he wasnt even that good as a player!
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did tom hafey win any premierships as a player, he wasnt even that good as a player!
No he didnt but he won premierships coaching footy in the country. Therefore he had been part of success and knew how to go about getting it.
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Its funny that people are scared of having another Gieschen....but that bloke still has the highest winning % of any Richmond coach during our last 27 years of doom.
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I never rated him early on but his performance is growing on me each day! Not only does he have the balls to make the unpopular decisions but the he seems to be capable of getting the best out of the young blokes.
Edwards-better
King-better
Post- will be awesome
Vickery- improving each game
Riewoldt- better
Silvester- not up to AFL but is holding his own
Nahas- improving each week
hahaha what drugs are you on???
your response is typical of what has been going at our club for the last 30 years.
making decisions based on emotion.
pathetic comment
Why are the comments pathetic, Daniel? Please dont add a comment like that and not elaborate!
I started a thread, alot disagree but do so in a well rounded, reasonable argument and then you come along....
as i said making a statement like "Rawlings must get the job next year" is the most rediculous thing i have heard" since well we signed up another man called Geesh
mate as i said decisions based on emotion is what has been ruining this club for years.
The Tigers under Rawlings has beaten Eagles, Bombers, a draw against a hack team like North and your asking for him to be senior coach.
If Jade things that players like King, Mcmahon Patterson and Hislop are going to take us to the next level then he too is out of his depth and out of touch
Now im not saying you but there were so many on this thread who were asking for TW to be signed up last year after he strung MEANINGLESS wins together.
IMO they are meaningless wins as will this weeks against the dees.
Until we start beating Saints, Cats, Adelaide etc etc i will not be convinced about our club
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Aw come on Daniel. I don't think you'd be impressed even then! :)
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If we can't snag Malthouse someway then let the process complete its course, Jade will be there at the end IMO and would rather him at say 300 odd than Figus jammus at some exorbetant price.
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Rawlings must get the job next year
This is a catastrophy in the making.
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From the Herald-Sun/MX this arvo. Rawlings now outright favourite for the job with the bookies.
JADE Rawlings' bid to permanently take Richmond's reins received a huge tick from star recruit Ben Cousins and the bookies today.
Rawlings was rated an $8.50 chance by Sportingbet to be the next full-time coach when Terry Wallace left the post and was brought in to $6.50 when he was made caretaker.
But after the five-point win over the Dons yesterday, he is now outright favourite at $2.50, ahead of Nathan Buckley at $5 and Tigers assistant David King at $9.
Cousins said he couldn’t endorse anyone for the gig, but said of Rawlings: "He’s done a huge job."
Cousins said having some success had improved morale.
"Winning is not everything, it is the only thing," he said on radio station Nova 100.
Rawlings declared he was desperate to continue leading the club after yesterday's win.
The Tigers led by 23 points at the 23-minute mark of the last term, and just hung on in the desperate final seconds.
Forward Jack Riewoldt was the six-goal hero, Shane Edwards took the last-gasp defensive mark, and Trent Cotchin has run into excellent form.
Rawlings has reinvigorated No.1 draft pick Brett Deledio as a bone fide midfielder, and revealed post-match he threatened him with demotion to Coburg only three weeks ago.
The Tigers hierarchy now rates Rawlings, who is now seen as the equal of any other Richmond coaching candidate.
The Tigers are finally playing intense, tackle-first football with a young side showing sides of improvement.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25838491-19742,00.html
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When Rawlings made the comments he made today about McMahon, he lost me as a supporter for his candidacy. Im against him. If he gets the job its a huge mistake. Can someone tell me if he has ever wona premiership anywhere as a player or coach or been involved at any club thats won a flag.
How many flags did Plough win? So how did that help?
Chocko Williams? Al Clarkson? Denis Pagan? Alan Jeans? Thats 8 flags in the past 30 years.
And on the flipside Tim Watson, Tony Shaw, Kevin Bartlett and I'm sure a million other coaches won plenty of flags as players but could make the transition.
It is not a causal link.
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Once again could i just state that i base my opinion on the performance of the younger players, not the wins! What good is it for the young bloke like Postie to have played under the Coburg ressies coach, McCrae, Rawlings, Terry and then another coach again next year?
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Well so long as the process is followed and he comes out in front then so be it, he is not my choice but I will support him if he is elected.
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history is the best indicator of future performance, Rawlings has no premiership experience. Just coz he can talk the talk doesnt mean he will be a success. Emotional responses from the clubs supporters got Gieschen the job, lets not make the same mistake.
hmm, its for that reason alone we should be a little more broadminded than to take the simpletons approach of annoiting only those premeirship heros with scalps hanging from the belt, I mean it means everything about their ability to manage upteen offield reports and 40 players...it's that kind of simple minded boofheaded approach that will see our club continue to languish...I challenge the club to take a leaf out of ESS and Hawthorn and rigorously pursue the BEST candidate in terms of ability not PLAYER :o
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settle down follow the PROCESS. :rollin
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Well so long as the process is followed and he comes out in front then so be it, he is not my choice but I will support him if he is elected.
Same here WAT
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Leon Cameron ;D :shh
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Leon Cameron ;D :shh
:thumbsup
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Leon Cameron would work for me
But if Jade keeps on knocking off scalps he will have a strong case
A good position to be in though to have good candidates :thumbsup
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Looks like a few good candidates in the mix! CVs' and interviews are all well and good but sometimes you just have to luck out and get that 1 candidate with the X factor.
The final 4 if that is what it comes down to, will all have a good case for the job.
We are due for a change of luck, let's hope so this time.
And may the best man win. :pray
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When is the field narrowed?
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Early August I believe
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When is the field narrowed?
when you got people lucky Buckley with no experience except Junior football applying for the job ;D :lol :thumbsup
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Rest Chris and give the captaincy to Richard Tambling or Daniel Jackson.
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Early August I believe
Which starts this week ;D :rollin
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Early August I believe
Thanks. :)
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Tigers endorse caretaker coach Rawlings
July 28, 2009
Australian Associated Press
Richmond players have given a resounding endorsement to Jade Rawlings as the Tigers embark on the search for a new coach.
Rawlings took over as caretaker after Terry Wallace and the club parted ways midway through the year and has seen his stocks rise after leading the side to two wins and a draw in the last six rounds.
He has made it clear he wants the senior position and on Tuesday received backing from young defenders Luke McGuane and Will Thursfield, who both play their 50th games against Melbourne on Sunday.
The pair agreed their teammates would unanimously support the 31-year-old Rawlings in his bid for the top job.
"Jade's straight down the line, he's really good," McGuane said. "He'll tell you exactly what he thinks, he won't beat about the bush, which I find, personally for myself, is a really good coaching tool.
"That's what I need and a lot of the other boys are pretty similar. He has the respect of the group because he's like that."
McGuane said it was like starting over again halfway through the season when Rawlings took over. "We thought let's make the second half (of the season) something to build on going into next year."
Thursfield played under Rawlings when he was coaching Coburg before he returned to the senior side and found he was guiding him again following Wallace's departure.
"Jade's good the way he goes about it, he just does the same thing," Thursfield said.
"He's pretty consistent with what he does - it's been good. We all look up to Jade and you know where you stand with him so that's very good in that regard. And he's come in with a clear game plan and made it pretty easy to understand. We definitely like playing for him."
The pair also endorsed Ben Cousins, who continued his impressive season in last weekend's win over Essendon and is certain to be offered a contract extension, regardless of who coaches the Tigers next year.
"He's been fantastic and the younger boys, especially the young midfielders, learn a lot off him," McGuane said.
"To have him around with younger kids like (Trent) Cotchin and (Brett) Deledio coming up, it's a great tool for them to learn off."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25847660-5012432,00.html
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Hmmmm....
Do we not risk giving the job to a caretaker coach because of Gieshen.
Or do we not risk giving the job to an ex premiership coach because of Walls.
Or do we not risk giving the job to a rookie coach because of Spud.
Or do we not risk giving the job to an experienced coach because of Wallace.
Only thing left is the captain Coach....Hello Ben. :lol
I wonder if Sydney and Adelaide are happy with the results of their former caretaker coaches.
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Has to be Damian Hardwick.
For the reasons Ramps and Stripes have mentioned.
And the fact that his credentialls are very good also. Many here were sceptical about Campbell doing the job as they felt he had little experience. Other than 12 games what has Jade done. Sure he has done well but a head coach of a footy club with little experience does not bode well and these end of season wins are starting to sway people emotively much like in the Gieschen way in 1997. Can anyone imagine the way the wind will be blowing if we beat either Hawthorn or Collingwood in rd 20 or 21. Even then Jade's apprenticeship is not long enough. He retired in 2007 and has been an assistant for 2-3 years. Campbell was at the Dogs for 2 before he switched to us.
People need to take stock of everything they have around them. If it is not long enough for Campbell it aint for Jade. Let the dust settle and it must be evident that Hardwick is the man for the job. Nothing against Jade nor any other candidate and the things I bring up are facts not criticisms. It is just clear to me that Hardwick is the standout person with the knowledge experience from 3 different cultures and the hardness of character and attitude to get this club up the ladder.
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FWIW Dwayne Russell on 3aw tonight said he's heard the word is Jade is favourite and it's his job to lose.
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Word of advice for Jade.
Keep your mouth shut and let the team do the talking ( as it did on the weekend)
I dont wont to hear again how desperate you are for the job ( starting to sound like Terry )
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Word of advice for Jade.
Keep your mouth shut and let the team do the talking ( as it did on the weekend)
I dont wont to hear again how desperate you are for the job ( starting to sound like Terry )
Agree, it sounds like he is trying to influence the process!
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Word of advice for Jade.
Keep your mouth shut and let the team do the talking ( as it did on the weekend)
I dont wont to hear again how desperate you are for the job ( starting to sound like Terry )
Jade :shh my boy, you don't need this guy on your case! trust me on this one. ;)
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Still prefer Hardwick and if Hird put his hand up - Hird but I do have faith in the process to get the right coach, as Richmond with the help of the howling masses have made poor descision based on some Jack - asses short term stategy.
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Word of advice for Jade.
Keep your mouth shut and let the team do the talking ( as it did on the weekend)
I dont wont to hear again how desperate you are for the job ( starting to sound like Terry )
Jade :shh my boy, you don't need this guy on your case! trust me on this one. ;)
Hey CUB, you have to give him a chance though, although he better watch out if he stuffs up, LOL
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The players endorsing the coach (Rawlings) is the worst thing that could happen, he doesnt need their endorsement, he should command their respect. The players cannot run our future coach as they did Wallace.. not a positive article for mine.
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Hardwick should be appointed senior coach.
Rawlings should be made Player Development Manager which we could pass off as a promotion anyway.
There doesnt have to be a loser here.
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Hardwick should be appointed senior coach.
Rawlings should be made Player Development Manager which we could pass off as a promotion anyway.
There doesnt have to be a loser here.
Good option Ramps.
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Patrick Smith today giving Rawlings a tick of approval ....
So in one morning news conference two likely coaches were removed as possible candidates at other clubs. Malthouse had been sounded out by Richmond, Buckley by Richmond and North Melbourne.
Mark Williams had already re-signed with Port Adelaide and Sheedy, offended by remarks from Richmond president Gary March no matter that the former Essendon coach had heard them out of context, had pulled out of the running for the Tigers' job. You fancy he would be a certainty now had he not been so hurt.
So North and Richmond must now rake through the pile of usual suspects -- club assistant coaches -- to find men to lead them in 2010. The Tigers might get Dean Laidley, but the former North coach has said he would like a season off.
Richmond, told yesterday morning by Buckley that he was no longer interested in pursuing a job at Punt Road, has had a head start on North. Nonetheless, it might be that the Tigers already have their man.
Jade Rawlings took over from Terry Wallace who took the remainder of his five-year contract money and left after round 11. He had won two matches for the season. In the six matches since, Rawlings has won two, drawn one, and scared the pants off Carlton in another.
Rawlings does not have any big names to beat to retain the job. He is the incumbent, well-liked and desperate for the job. He has made difficult decisions, dropping loyal servants such as Joel Bowden as he seeks to evaluate the Richmond list. If Rawlings does coach on in 2010 then he can be assured he beat a more than competent field.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25850026-12270,00.html
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The players endorsing the coach (Rawlings) is the worst thing that could happen, he doesnt need their endorsement, he should command their respect. The players cannot run our future coach as they did Wallace.. not a positive article for mine.
You really don't seme to like Rawlings very much WAT :lol :lol
How do you know they don't respect him?
McGuane said " Jade's straight down the line, he's really good. He'll tell you exactly what he thinks, he won't beat about the bush, which I find, personally for myself, is a really good coaching too".
Almost sounds like a bit of respect right there
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The players endorsing the coach (Rawlings) is the worst thing that could happen, he doesnt need their endorsement, he should command their respect. The players cannot run our future coach as they did Wallace.. not a positive article for mine.
You really don't seme to like Rawlings very much WAT :lol :lol
How do you know they don't respect him?
McGuane said " Jade's straight down the line, he's really good. He'll tell you exactly what he thinks, he won't beat about the bush, which I find, personally for myself, is a really good coaching too".
Almost sounds like a bit of respect right there
Would say that Jade Rawlings is a good coach (so far)
problem the club has is this. Has he the personality to make an impact on the club and to make the club appealing ?
If we were looking at a young coach, he would be the pick at this stage.
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If I was North Melbourne I would do something very strategic....
Interview Jade Rawlings ASAP for the North job. Jade wants to coach and they need to force our hand.
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If I was North Melbourne I would do something very strategic....
Interview Jade Rawlings ASAP for the North job. Jade wants to coach and they need to force our hand.
that shouldnt change anything ... if our club fell for that then we may as well close the doors.
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If I was North Melbourne I would do something very strategic....
Interview Jade Rawlings ASAP for the North job. Jade wants to coach and they need to force our hand.
that shouldnt change anything ... if our club fell for that then we may as well close the doors.
Point is North shot themselves in the foot. They've have no option but to iterate what they did for Buckley.
1. Decide who their no. 1 target is.
2. Offer the job.
3. Issue ultimatum.
Its not going to be great for their image but they are so far behind in the process they have no hope of getting the best candidate (assuming our process finds that) unless they do this.
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The best candidate for North is not necessarily the best candidate for Richmond
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If I was North Melbourne I would do something very strategic....
Interview Jade Rawlings ASAP for the North job. Jade wants to coach and they need to force our hand.
that shouldnt change anything ... if our club fell for that then we may as well close the doors.
Yep. And Jade really wants to coach Richmond.
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The players endorsing the coach (Rawlings) is the worst thing that could happen, he doesnt need their endorsement, he should command their respect. The players cannot run our future coach as they did Wallace.. not a positive article for mine.
You really don't seme to like Rawlings very much WAT :lol :lol
How do you know they don't respect him?
McGuane said " Jade's straight down the line, he's really good. He'll tell you exactly what he thinks, he won't beat about the bush, which I find, personally for myself, is a really good coaching too".
Almost sounds like a bit of respect right there
Would say that Jade Rawlings is a good coach (so far)
problem the club has is this. Has he the personality to make an impact on the club and to make the club appealing ?
If we were looking at a young coach, he would be the pick at this stage.
Now is the time for wins to make the club appealing, not faces!
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Point is North shot themselves in the foot. They've have no option but to iterate what they did for Buckley.
1. Decide who their no. 1 target is.
2. Offer the job.
3. Issue ultimatum.
Its not going to be great for their image but they are so far behind in the process they have no hope of getting the best candidate (assuming our process finds that) unless they do this.
I'm not convinced North does need to follow that path again Jake. I think they will more than likely just create a shorter process with a smaller amount of candidates which they will try to have finished once again before ours does. Rather than have it finish in September, mirroring ours, they will have their position completed at the end of August so that any applicant will not have the choice between both clubs (assuming we both choose the same person). I think they do not want to risk the situation where their prefered coach had to choose between us and them as they would believe (rightly so :thumbsup) that our clubs is a more attractive option.
Right now North have to rush to attempt to interview people and make their decision before we do or risk taking our scraps.
Either way they continue to appear hurried and unprofessional - not an appealing situation for any but the most desperate of candidates. :o
Stripes
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Point is North shot themselves in the foot. They've have no option but to iterate what they did for Buckley.
1. Decide who their no. 1 target is.
2. Offer the job.
3. Issue ultimatum.
Its not going to be great for their image but they are so far behind in the process they have no hope of getting the best candidate (assuming our process finds that) unless they do this.
Agree Jake
I reckon North will again target one person and go after them.
As a token I reckon they will interview Darren Crocker but that will be about it. They will talk about having a long lsit of names but they will target just one person, simply because they don't have clue ;D
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Rawlings can do a Roos and make the job his own
Garry Lyon | July 29, 2009
WITH the mapping out yesterday of Nathan Buckley's coaching future all attention turns to the vacant Richmond and North Melbourne positions.
While the Roos will be dealing with not having Buckley at Arden Street and assembling their list of potential candidates, it is the Tiger job that delivers the most intrigue.
The reason for that is that caretaker coach Jade Rawlings is having a greater impact on the football club, and its players, than the majority of people in football believed he was capable of.
So impressive has he been, that it is not beyond the realms of possibility that we may be witnessing a groundswell of support for Rawlings, that may make it difficult for the Tigers to overlook him when it comes to choosing their new coach.
There are parallels between this scenario and when Paul Roos was appointed as caretaker coach of the Swans following Rodney Eade's departure with 10 games of the 2002 season remaining.
Almost everyone in football thought Roos was just warming the chair before Terry Wallace arrived.
Someone forgot to tell Roosy, who, in the space of 10 games, won over not only the Sydney players, but also the intensely loyal Swans faithful, whose wishes proved undeniable.
That Roos won six of the 10 games and demonstrated his now universally accepted coaching qualities to make himself the best candidate for the job, made the unwavering endorsement of his players and the supporters merely an adjunct to the package.
Which brings us to Rawlings and further proof that those who speculate from the outside on potential coaches are really just guessing. Few people had Rawlings in the frame for the caretaker's role, let alone the senior job.
His appointment was seen as a safe decision that allowed fellow assistants, such as Wayne Campbell, David King and Craig McRae a shot at the main job, unencumbered by what may transpire in the second half of this season.
In the space of six weeks that perception has altered considerably, to the point that Rawlings must now be a strong chance to emulate the career path of Roos. Two wins and a draw from six games is enough to have the right sort of people sitting up and taking notice.
The victory over Essendon on Sunday was timely. Not only because the Tigers won, but because of the way they went about it and the tough decisions he has made along the way. From the outside looking in, it is finally clear what they are trying to achieve down at Tigerland.
He has not hesitated to remove senior players from the team who have been almost permanent fixtures over the years, regardless of results. Joel Bowden, Troy Simmonds and, last week, Shane Tuck have all been dropped to VFL side Coburg. It was refreshing to hear him say that the modern game is much more than just amassing numbers on the stats sheet.
It was also refreshing to hear him say that Brett Deledio was one poor game away from joining them. He responded in fine style on the weekend.
It appears that he is determined to make up his own mind on the likes of Jordan McMahon, Jarrod Oakley-Nicholls, Jake King and Shane Edwards, and the best way to do that is to give them responsibility at senior level and see how they respond. The same deal may well apply to Nathan Brown, who could be playing for his future in the next month.
He has also been able to extract, in the short time that he's been at the helm, the best out of his most talented youngsters. Richard Tambling and Jack Riewoldt have taken the step from young players who have periods within a game where they show glimpses, to players who are influencing the results of games.
Will Thursfield has re-emerged and Jarrod Silvester has been given an opportunity under Rawlings. As a result the back half looks more capable of matching up with opposition forward lines.
Combine all that with the brilliant Trent Cotchin, Tyrone Vickery and Jayden Post and the future doesn't seem that bad all of a sudden.
So, can Rawlings force the hand of the coaching sub committee and hang on to the job that no one had really given him a chance in?
He has one great advantage over other candidates, he is in the position. That means he can supplement his presentation to those making the decisions with practical implementation on match day — and he can do it with football manager Craig Cameron looking over his shoulder.
On exposed form, he seems to be making an impact on the playing group, with more dare and dash evident in their play and a greater willingness to support one another when they haven't got the ball.
It is hard to quantify just how much this is attributable to Rawlings, for there is inevitably an upsurge in freedom within a group with a mid-year change of coach. But all the signs are positive and, anecdotally, the players have been effusive in their praise of the new man in charge.
From Ben Cousins to Brown, Tambling to Vickery, they have all spoken glowingly in public of Rawlings' qualities as a coach.
He is renowned throughout football for having a fanatical love of the game and an insatiable appetite for its intricacies and nuances. His work ethic is unquestioned and his knowledge of opposition clubs and players almost encyclopedic.
I wouldn't say I know him well, but in my dealings with him I have been struck by his sheer enthusiasm for football. He is also regarded across the board as one of the games "good blokes".
Having spoken to people in the past few days, he is highly regarded at Richmond and the players, particularly those that have played a lot of football under him at Coburg, have enormous respect for him.
If Nathan Buckley was always destined to coach AFL football, Rawlings' possible path to a senior job is almost the antithesis. While Buckley was an out and out superstar of the game, Rawlings was a good, honest player.
While Buckley attracted the sort of media speculation and debate about his future reserved for the likes of him and Michael Voss, Rawlings ambitions were known only to a few.
While Buckley was courted and in a position to choose, Rawlings was always destined to have to convince others of his credentials.
Buckley, confident and self assured at 37 years of age and with more awards and medals than the average, is a massive presence. Rawlings, just 31 and a little raw, is still building his.
Regardless of that, if things go Rawlings' way at the end of the year, he will have a 2-year head start on Bucks by the time he assumes the chair, with a further couple of years under his belt coaching in the VFL.
Who knows which path to the senior chair is the correct one?
All I know is that Roos got a job at Sydney, which was expected to last no longer than 10 games, then made it impossible for the Swans not to appoint him by the end of the year. Three years later he delivered them their first flag in 72 years.
I reckon Jade Rawlings would be fully aware of that particular story.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2009/07/29/1248546753956.html
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That is actually a pretty good read. :)
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Point is North shot themselves in the foot. They've have no option but to iterate what they did for Buckley.
1. Decide who their no. 1 target is.
2. Offer the job.
3. Issue ultimatum.
Its not going to be great for their image but they are so far behind in the process they have no hope of getting the best candidate (assuming our process finds that) unless they do this.
Agree Jake
I reckon North will again target one person and go after them.
As a token I reckon they will interview Darren Crocker but that will be about it. They will talk about having a long lsit of names but they will target just one person, simply because they don't have clue ;D
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Paul Roos came out and stated publicly that he doesn't believe that Longmire would consider the North job and is confident that he will remain with Sydney.
Could he be speaking about a succession plan. Me thinks so. ;)
Which may leave David King looking for an opportunity. We wish you all the best.(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/CBSA/smileyvault-cute-big-smiley-animated-010.gif) (http://www.smileyvault.com/)
Now it leads us to Jade. I don't think that it would be appropriate for him to interview for the Roos coaching position whilst Caretaker coach for Richmond.
But would he be interested anyway ?
What if Brayshaw gave Jade's manager a call and offered it to him ?
Would he grab it or would he risk it and continue through our process all the while not guaranteed to get the job in the end ?
Thoughts ?
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Now it leads us to Jade. I don't think that it would be appropriate for him to interview for the Roos coaching position whilst Caretaker coach for Richmond.
But would he be interested anyway ?
What if Brayshaw gave Jade's manager a call and offered it to him ?
Would he grab it or would he risk it and continue through our process all the while not guaranteed to get the job in the end ?
Thoughts ?
As I've stated before - I think he REALLY wants to coach Richmond. I reckon he will ride the Tiger pony until the end and then re-assess his situation if that doesn't pan out. He's got plenty of time and his CV is getting stronger by the day - it won't be hurt by missing our job but JR personally will be enhanced by going through the process of applying. Just my gut feel and read of events unfolding.
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I can't see anyone beating Jade other than Hardwick and Cameron maybe Hinkley a smokey.
I think Jade would prefer to stay with the group he so publicly stated emotion and love for.
I also can't see Jade not working at Richmond in the coaches box in one way or another. I think he'd turn down the Coburg job that he'd walk back into if he wasn't given the Richmond job to be a full time assistant to the Senior Coach.
I really do hope that the final 6 candidates are all very different so we can gain some valuable IP from different areas.
Hinkley - Geelong's IP
Hardwick - Hawthorns IP
Tudor - St.Kilda's IP
Cameron - Bulldogs IP
Richardson - Collingwoods Developing IP
Laidley - Modern day coaching IP
If Jade has the job woudl still hope we reap the rewards from a very extensive process.
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I can't see anyone beating Jade other than Hardwick and Cameron maybe Hinkley a smokey.
I think Jade would prefer to stay with the group he so publicly stated emotion and love for.
I also can't see Jade not working at Richmond in the coaches box in one way or another. I think he'd turn down the Coburg job that he'd walk back into if he wasn't given the Richmond job to be a full time assistant to the Senior Coach.
I really do hope that the final 6 candidates are all very different so we can gain some valuable IP from different areas.
Hinkley - Geelong's IP
Hardwick - Hawthorns IP
Tudor - St.Kilda's IP
Cameron - Bulldogs IP
Richardson - Collingwoods Developing IP
Laidley - Modern day coaching IP
If Jade has the job woudl still hope we reap the rewards from a very extensive process.
IP?
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IP= Intellectural Property
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IP= Intellectural Property
Over rated in my not so humble opinion.
(and at least I can spell it properly)
:lol
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I can't see anyone beating Jade other than Hardwick and Cameron maybe Hinkley a smokey.
I think Jade would prefer to stay with the group he so publicly stated emotion and love for.
I also can't see Jade not working at Richmond in the coaches box in one way or another. I think he'd turn down the Coburg job that he'd walk back into if he wasn't given the Richmond job to be a full time assistant to the Senior Coach.
I really do hope that the final 6 candidates are all very different so we can gain some valuable IP from different areas.
Hinkley - Geelong's IP
Hardwick - Hawthorns IP
Tudor - St.Kilda's IP
Cameron - Bulldogs IP
Richardson - Collingwoods Developing IP
Laidley - Modern day coaching IP
If Jade has the job woudl still hope we reap the rewards from a very extensive process.
IP?
???
Intellectual Property. :)
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Well mate, take your support elsewhere, we dont need your types!
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I have said it on other threads. Too many feel good stories in the media wanting to push Jade over the line in the coaching job. Look who we have beaten in Jade's tenure
W Coast 14th
Draw v Roos 13th
Essendon 9th
Melbourne 16th.
We beat everyone outside the 8 last yr bar Carlton in the centennary game and look how horribly exposed we were early this year. Let's not get carried away by a few wins over some ordinary opposition. The media who were killing us 2 months ago are suddenly giving us the time of day and writing feel good stories now.
Its nice to celebrate a win but lets keep our wits and focus and lets all not get romantic that Jade will be our man as two years from now we may be talking about how stupid the club is and North got Hardwick and look how they are going? I still think Hardwick is the man for this job. Toughness on and off the field very low key and disciplined. If a 4 point win to Melbourne is the be all and end all and gets Jade across the line then this coaching process is flawed. I think most on here when the coaching process started had Hardwick higher than Jade that should not be any different after 3 wins against much inferior opposition.
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as i use this bloody i phone here in vegas i cant believe Jordi kicked the winning goal
good win but after the siren against the demons we are kidding ourselves if we think we need to sign rawlings.
Give me a stuffin break
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I would think after watching the worst game I have ever seen , if Jade Rawlings was in the drivers seat to get the job next year, after today he is in the back passengers seat and heading to the boot.
Terrible coaching today, lost all structure up forward and was out coached by Bailey.
All I will say, thank god we had Lids today.
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I would think after watching the worst game I have ever seen , if Jade Rawlings was in the drivers seat to get the job next year, after today he is in the back passengers seat and heading to the boot.
Terrible coaching today, lost all structure up forward and was out coached by Bailey.
All I will say, thank god we had Lids today.
Common Jacko - winning culture. RFC should give Rawlings a 100 year contract.
Today was terrible
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I would think after watching the worst game I have ever seen , if Jade Rawlings was in the drivers seat to get the job next year, after today he is in the back passengers seat and heading to the boot.
Terrible coaching today, lost all structure up forward and was out coached by Bailey.
All I will say, thank god we had Lids today.
Common Jacko - winning culture. RFC should give Rawlings a 100 year contract.
Today was terrible
haha
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In the past we would have lost that game today! Suck it boys, Rawlings is proving all you boys wrong! Be gracious and give credit where credit is due, any previous coach would have seen us drop that game! Who do you guys follow? Its hard to tell!
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In the past we would have lost that game today! Suck it boys, Rawlings is proving all you boys wrong! Be gracious and give credit where credit is due, any previous coach would have seen us drop that game! Who do you guys follow? Its hard to tell!
absolutely, well said, a TW coached side would have been 6g down at 3/4 time prob goine on to lose by 10g...the pleasing aspect was when the game was there to be WON the boys stepped up to the plate and there's no question about that :thumbsup
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In the past we would have lost that game today! Suck it boys, Rawlings is proving all you boys wrong! Be gracious and give credit where credit is due, any previous coach would have seen us drop that game! Who do you guys follow? Its hard to tell!
::) ::) ::) ::) :banghead
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I will say this Go Richo 12.
Its not Rawlings fault that we kicked 1.5 in the first quarter.6 scoring shots to 2 at quarter time yet down by a point.We gave them a sniff and almost paid the price.
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Too true Matt, It set the tone for the rest of the game
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In the past we would have lost that game today! Suck it boys, Rawlings is proving all you boys wrong! Be gracious and give credit where credit is due, any previous coach would have seen us drop that game! Who do you guys follow? Its hard to tell!
Since when have you become a prophet lol.
We were disgraceful today as we have been all season. Thats the reality. Another cheap meaningless win against a team who is tanking, who only had 1 fit player on the bench at the end, and a team that is in 16th position lol.
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In the past we would have lost that game today! Suck it boys, Rawlings is proving all you boys wrong! Be gracious and give credit where credit is due, any previous coach would have seen us drop that game! Who do you guys follow? Its hard to tell!
Since when have you become a prophet lol.
We were disgraceful today as we have been all season. Thats the reality. Another cheap meaningless win against a team who is tanking, who only had 1 fit player on the bench at the end, and a team that is in 16th position lol.
a prophet predicts the future, i was talking about the past! Good effort at a comeback though, keep trying it will happen!
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[Since when have you become a prophet lol.
We were disgraceful today as we have been all season. Thats the reality. Another cheap meaningless win against a team who is tanking, who only had 1 fit player on the bench at the end, and a team that is in 16th position lol.
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a prophet predicts the future, i was talking about the past! Good effort at a comeback though, keep trying it will happen!
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so how would you know that a previous coach would of dropped the game? tell us oh great one. :lol
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Our win/loss ratio my pupil! Keep trying!
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[Since when have you become a prophet lol.
We were disgraceful today as we have been all season. Thats the reality. Another cheap meaningless win against a team who is tanking, who only had 1 fit player on the bench at the end, and a team that is in 16th position lol.
a prophet predicts the future, i was talking about the past! Good effort at a comeback though, keep trying it will happen!
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so how would you know that a previous coach would of dropped the game? tell us oh great one. :lol
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Our win/loss ratio my pupil! Keep trying!
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this is a serious question - are you pretending to be a tool or are you a tool for real?
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That last post just confirms that i got the better of that last exchange!
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That last post just confirms that i got the better of that last exchange!
lol ... im still waiting for you tell us how you know for a fact that we would have lost todays game under another coach. Waiting Waiting Waiting ... lol and whilst your at it tell us more about your hypotheticals from the past lol ...
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That last post just confirms that i got the better of that last exchange!
lol ... im still waiting for you tell us how you know for a fact that we would have lost todays game under another coach. Waiting Waiting Waiting ... lol and whilst your at it tell us more about your hypotheticals from the past lol ...
Every loss since the 1982 gf, but obviously that stretches the mind back beyond the comfort zone so i'll pull,say, the Port game! Is that good enough? Sydney game? The last time we played Melbourne? RSI starting to creep in.....
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That last post just confirms that i got the better of that last exchange!
lol ... im still waiting for you tell us how you know for a fact that we would have lost todays game under another coach. Waiting Waiting Waiting ... lol and whilst your at it tell us more about your hypotheticals from the past lol ...
Every loss since the 1982 gf, but obviously that stretches the mind back beyond the comfort zone so i'll pull,say, the Port game! Is that good enough? Sydney game? The last time we played Melbourne? RSI starting to creep in.....
GoRicho - Youve lost the plot
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That last post just confirms that i got the better of that last exchange!
lol ... im still waiting for you tell us how you know for a fact that we would have lost todays game under another coach. Waiting Waiting Waiting ... lol and whilst your at it tell us more about your hypotheticals from the past lol ...
Every loss since the 1982 gf, but obviously that stretches the mind back beyond the comfort zone so i'll pull,say, the Port game! Is that good enough? Sydney game? The last time we played Melbourne? RSI starting to creep in.....
GoRicho - Youve lost the plot
Can you blame me? Im a Richmond supporter
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In the past we would have lost that game today! Suck it boys, Rawlings is proving all you boys wrong! Be gracious and give credit where credit is due, any previous coach would have seen us drop that game! Who do you guys follow? Its hard to tell!
absolutely, well said, a TW coached side would have been 6g down at 3/4 time prob goine on to lose by 10g...the pleasing aspect was when the game was there to be WON the boys stepped up to the plate and there's no question about that :thumbsup
I dunno about that, I'd say when the game was there to be lost, Melbourne stepped down from the plate
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That last post just confirms that i got the better of that last exchange!
lol ... im still waiting for you tell us how you know for a fact that we would have lost todays game under another coach. Waiting Waiting Waiting ... lol and whilst your at it tell us more about your hypotheticals from the past lol ...
Every loss since the 1982 gf, but obviously that stretches the mind back beyond the comfort zone so i'll pull,say, the Port game! Is that good enough? Sydney game? The last time we played Melbourne? RSI starting to creep in.....
GoRicho - Youve lost the plot
Can you blame me? Im a Richmond supporter
We are all Richmond supporters and we all want our club to rise to the top. Its just how we get there that is causing consternation.
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That last post just confirms that i got the better of that last exchange!
lol ... im still waiting for you tell us how you know for a fact that we would have lost todays game under another coach. Waiting Waiting Waiting ... lol and whilst your at it tell us more about your hypotheticals from the past lol ...
ummm, errrr, I stuff that we lost to this same side 10 weeks ago and thats with the likes of richo , Bowden and co in the team...is that good enough for ya :shh
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That last post just confirms that i got the better of that last exchange!
lol ... im still waiting for you tell us how you know for a fact that we would have lost todays game under another coach. Waiting Waiting Waiting ... lol and whilst your at it tell us more about your hypotheticals from the past lol ...
ummm, errrr, I stuff that we lost to this same side 10 weeks ago and thats with the likes of richo , Bowden and co in the team...is that good enough for ya :shh
No as Melbourne dropped more senior players to give their reserve kids a go and we only won by a kick after the siren. It all balances out in some way yet some people carry on like we got ourselves into our first grand final since 1982.
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That last post just confirms that i got the better of that last exchange!
lol ... im still waiting for you tell us how you know for a fact that we would have lost todays game under another coach. Waiting Waiting Waiting ... lol and whilst your at it tell us more about your hypotheticals from the past lol ...
ummm, errrr, I stuff that we lost to this same side 10 weeks ago and thats with the likes of richo , Bowden and co in the team...is that good enough for ya :shh
No as Melbourne dropped more senior players to give their reserve kids a go and we only won by a kick after the siren. It all balances out in some way yet some people carry on like we got ourselves into our first grand final since 1982.
Hey tucky, whose carrying onn like we won the gf? No one! We are simply stating that winning is better than losing!We need wins for membership, sponsers and therefore our viabilty! We can be pro tank or anti tank but our kids are learnig under Jade and learning fast!
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Wins for membership means squat we have been abysmal for 27 years and we have a membership base of 46000 combined. Fans sign up because of loyalty and a futile hope we might make finals not to see us win. We were 1-4 at the end of April and we still got another couple of members signed up before the June 30 deadline.
Yes it is nice to win but when there is no pressure on the footy club wins against teams just around us on the ladder are quickly forgotten to lets say wins in big games. All I am saying is these wins can mask an otherwise very raw and deficient list and provide false hope.All I hope Jade is not being given a job full time based on 4-5 wins in half a season against opposition that will ultimately finish below us and around us on the ladder. Lets rewind to last year same sort of scenario with Ben Cousins on board and we all thought we were shoe ins for the 8.
Furthermore we have discussed on the forum the romance of late season Gieschen wins and what it does to the fans the board and the psyche of the place and who is left to pick up the pieces at the end of it which goes back to the membership issue, regardless of what bad mismanagement and decisions occur members will still sign up. We have been doing so in higher and higher levels since Save Our Skins.
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As has been posted earlier, Geish has the best win/loss of any Tiger coach in recent history! It now appears as though Jade has the proven form and the others are the unknown!
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As has been posted earlier, Geish has the best win/loss of any Tiger coach in recent history! It now appears as though Jade has the proven form and the others are the unknown!
He had 25 wins in 49 games. Hardly earth shattering and if that is what has been the best at our club for a generation and people want to hang their hats on that and make comparisons to it with Rawlings then we may be down the garden path again.
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As has been posted earlier, Geish has the best win/loss of any Tiger coach in recent history! It now appears as though Jade has the proven form and the others are the unknown!
He had 25 wins in 49 games. Hardly earth shattering and if that is what has been the best at our club for a generation and people want to hang their hats on that and make comparisons to it with Rawlings then we may be down the garden path again.
It is the anti-Rawlings people making the Geishen comparisons, im pointing out the folly of it!
I prefer to look at Paul Roos/Sydney snenario! I would also like to see a better reason than Jeff Geishen for not appointing Jade, what are his weaknesses? What decisions has he made at the selection table to deny him the job? What is wrong with his vision for the club? Thats what we need to know not what previous caeretakers have done!
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Caretaker coaches always seem to get the best out of players initially. Once you appoint them full time and the honeymoon period ends however you find that you were no better off than you were when they took over as caretaker. Roos yes is an exception but he had a ready made team who had made finals in 2001 and still had soldiers from the 96-99 Sydney finals campaigns.
In recent years Ratten at Carlton, Craig at Adelaide were given the jobs full time due to the fact that they fit the club so nicely and they understood it, hence they had full board support and player attention. Jade I don't think does hence the club is going through an extensive process to find a suitable candidate with the media trying to influence our panel in a decision writing these pro Jade and Richmond articles. It's as if they want us to stuff this up again to keep on writing about us.
Journos do not want us to get Hardwick. These are the same journos who before a few weeks ago were slagging us off and now we are the flavour of the month due to a few results over the last few weeks against clubs who were out of finals contention at the same time as we were. I have nothing against Rawlings but he will not lead us to ultimate success. Richo's relationship with him will also become a very sticky issue if either Richo stays on and Jade is appointed but that is another side dish.
Lets not get swept off our feet like an infatuated teenager at 3 wins against bottom 4 type sides and take the next 3 years of our footballing lives to new dramas and untenable situations. The perfect coach may not be available in 2012 but he is now in Hardwick. 3 years is far too long to wait again. Rawlings right now is a good assistant at best. Many hear hounded down Campbell for applying and he haat as much experience as Jade yet Hardwick who has played in two flags and been an understudy to a flag at Hawthorn and has overseen a rebuild at Hawthorn is not the man for this job. If the plumbing was gone in your house you would not call an apprentice plumber to oversee the repairs you would call a licensed on. Hardwick is the licensed plumber we need to tighten our taps and stop the spillage and unblock those pipes. :thumbsup
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Roos had a pretty lengthy history with the Swans as a player and captain. Rawlings doesn't exactly have that at Richmond.
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Roos had a pretty lengthy history with the Swans as a player and captain. Rawlings doesn't exactly have that at Richmond.
Thats true! But being an outsider can have its advantages, such as a fresh set eyes, ideas and not being afraid of reputations
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Roos had a pretty lengthy history with the Swans as a player and captain. Rawlings doesn't exactly have that at Richmond.
Thats true! But being an outsider can have its advantages, such as a fresh set eyes, ideas and not being afraid of reputations
would he have the balls to retire his brother in law?
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Roos had a pretty lengthy history with the Swans as a player and captain. Rawlings doesn't exactly have that at Richmond.
Thats true! But being an outsider can have its advantages, such as a fresh set eyes, ideas and not being afraid of reputations
would he have the balls to retire his brother in law?
I dont think he'll need to, the big fella is clever enough to decide that for himself i reckon.
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I dunno about that, I'd say when the game was there to be lost, Melbourne stepped down from the plate
Yes, that's what they did. Kicking 2 goals in time on to hit the front and battling desperately in the final 2 minutes to lose to a kick after the siren.
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would he have the balls to retire his brother in law?
Honestly Ramps i think he would
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Just watched the you tube video of when McMahon kicked the goal, WTF were Reiwoldt and Morton doing on the bench at the end of the game,??? Extremely poor by Rawlings you would think, They werent injured by the speed they ran onto the ground
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Caretaker coaches always seem to get the best out of players initially.
do they, remind us all how
- Ratten did following Pagan
Riley after Daniher
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Crocker is tracking.
..you might like to rephrase from always to sometimes, depending on callibre of the caretaker, hope that helps :o
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As has been posted earlier, Geish has the best win/loss of any Tiger coach in recent history! It now appears as though Jade has the proven form and the others are the unknown!
He had 25 wins in 49 games. Hardly earth shattering and if that is what has been the best at our club for a generation and people want to hang their hats on that and make comparisons to it with Rawlings then we may be down the garden path again.
It is the anti-Rawlings people making the Geishen comparisons, im pointing out the folly of it!
I prefer to look at Paul Roos/Sydney snenario! I would also like to see a better reason than Jeff Geishen for not appointing Jade, what are his weaknesses? What decisions has he made at the selection table to deny him the job? What is wrong with his vision for the club? Thats what we need to know not what previous caeretakers have done!
What you need to know is that Richmond supporters get highly excitable and carried away over anything. Especially when a coach has jsut been sacked. Especially when we win a couple of pointeless games under the caretaker.
You come across as too young (or maybe too old and senile) to remember how we carried on with geischen to the point where one of our best club presidents stupidly tied his own job to the Geisch.
And we are doing the very same thing now with rawlings. An independent observer would say WTF has this guy done except not be Wallace.
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As has been posted earlier, Geish has the best win/loss of any Tiger coach in recent history! It now appears as though Jade has the proven form and the others are the unknown!
you have got absolutely no idea mate
i have heard it all now
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i cant believe SOME of you are touching yourself over a few cheap wins against the most useless teams in the comp.
hahahahahaha LMAO
i personally have learnt not to get excited about anything and after watching a few highlights on the net i am more convinced than ever.
IF RAWLINGS GETS THE JOB WE ARE stuffed FOR THE NEXT 2/3 YEARS
he is a glorified version of Wallace. what we are 12th in Tackles and Wallet was 9th.
he has done nothing and is playing players like Mcmahon, Patterson and Hislop which says to me he has NFI
its a shame we dont play anyone inside the top 8(Saints aside and look how that ended up) because i can guarantee they will smash us especially the top 4 then maybe then everyone can see we have not improved one little bit under him
Edited: again for avoiding the swear filter
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1980...Leon Daphnes support for Giesh is what people call in the real world UNITY.
What fools....this is Richmond.
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i cant believe SOME of you are touching yourself over a few cheap wins against the most useless teams in the comp.
hahahahahaha LMAO
i personally have learnt not to get excited about anything and after watching a few highlights on the net i am more convinced than ever.
IF RAWLINGS GETS THE JOB WE ARE stuffed FOR THE NEXT 2/3 YEARS
he is a glorified version of Wallace. what we are 12th in Tackles and Wallet was 9th.
he has done nothing and is playing players like Mcmahon, Patterson and Hislop which says to me he has NFI
its a shame we dont play anyone inside the top 8(Saints aside and look how that ended up) because i can guarantee they will smash us especially the top 4 then maybe then everyone can see we have not improved one little bit under him
Daniel, you are twisting words to suit your own agenda again! I am basing my thoughts on the progress of the younger players not win/loss ratio! Wins do wallpaper over cracks, i agree, but for the first time in recent history it seems to be the younger players who are influencing the game not the older ones! That must be good!
Edited: to amend quote due avoidence of the swear filter
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Wallace had lost the players, its not that hard for Rawlings to have achieved some limited improvement in some players as a result. Rawlings has never been in a successful premiership environment and thats a real issue for him going forward. He should go back to the VFL or go to the WAFL or SANFL and coach a couple of flags so he can show that he can achieve a flag. Richmond should not be an experiment for a coach who hasnt achieved success in the past.
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Wallace had lost the players, its not that hard for Rawlings to have achieved some limited improvement in some players as a result. Rawlings has never been in a successful premiership environment and thats a real issue for him going forward. He should go back to the VFL or go to the WAFL or SANFL and coach a couple of flags so he can show that he can achieve a flag. Richmond should not be an experiment for a coach who hasnt achieved success in the past.
Actually what Richmond should do is actually give the job to the best person and if that happens to Jade Rawlings so be it
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Wallace had lost the players, its not that hard for Rawlings to have achieved some limited improvement in some players as a result. Rawlings has never been in a successful premiership environment and thats a real issue for him going forward. He should go back to the VFL or go to the WAFL or SANFL and coach a couple of flags so he can show that he can achieve a flag. Richmond should not be an experiment for a coach who hasnt achieved success in the past.
Actually what Richmond should do is actually give the job to the best person and if that happens to Jade Rawlings so be it
Totally agree :thumbsup
Only proviso would be , we need someome with very strong character, otherwise the best coach mighten work out either, as the past 25 years has indicated
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Actually what Richmond should do is actually give the job to the best person and if that happens to Jade Rawlings so be it
Agree WP.
We are definitely running on a lot of emotion and enthusiasm and players who have been liberated by Plough's dismissal. Caretakers do this.
We need a coach who in 3 years will have us thrashing poor teams and being competitive - ultra competitve - with the best teams in the competition. He needs to be able to build a list, build a mentality and build a gameplan.
Rawlings is doing everything asked of him but I'm not sure if we know any more about whether he will ultimately be the best man to lead us to real success.
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http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2009/07/23/86681_geelong_sports.html
GOOD ARTICLE HERE:
IF I was in Nathan Buckley's shoes next year I would pick North Melbourne over the Tigers as my coaching destination.
It's fair to say whoever is the next coach of Richmond has a fair task on their hands.
The club has a serious losing culture and it's going to take a strong personality with a lot of guts to turn it around.
If Buckley was to go to the Tigers, he has to get in there and make a serious statement.
As much as I'm likely to be lynched for this next time I'm on Swan Street, he should look at cutting Richo.
Come in and say, "You've been a beauty mate but it's time to step aside and give some kids a crack who might be around for 10 or 12 years."
Maybe you cut everyone on the list over 28 years of age.
Whatever it is it needs to be drastic.
I'd like to compare two recent examples of different coaches heading to interstate clubs with questionable cultures.
Malcolm Blight went to Adelaide and said, 'You're out' to club champions Andrew Jarman, Tony McGuinness and Chris McDermott, and started afresh.
His two premierships speak for themselves.
Knowing Mark Harvey as well as I do, I could probably say he didn't go about it the right way at Fremantle.
He did inherit an aging list, a list with a really poor culture, but he didn't help himself when he took a few extra mature age recruits in his first season in charge.
To turn a culture you really need to wield the axe.
And not just among the playing list.
You'd need to look at the board-room, the assistant coaches, the physios.
Bucks would have to come in and go whack.
Then he'd have to worry about whether he's sacked the right people, whether he's brought the right people with him, does he have everyone's faith, do the ex-players like him, will the media give him a fair go.
I hope someone's told him he won't see his missus and kids either.
Maybe it's best for him to take an assistant coaching role somewhere next year to get some extra training while he waits for the right job to pop up.
But back to Richmond.
How do you fix it - the age old question?
What they need is a 40-year-old Lethal Leigh Matthews, someone to walk in with a bit of mongrel in them and tell everyone what's what.
They're starting to put together a bit of a playing list down there.
Richard Tambling has stepped up this year, Brett Deledio is a player, Trent Cotchin will be, Jack Riewoldt's going to be alright but he needs someone to come in and grab him by the jumper and tell him what to do.
About 70 per cent of players on a list need to be told exactly what to do and how to go about it - they appreciate it.
That's why you need a confident, brash coach like Lethal to take charge of the place.
Whoever the club ends up picking as coach I certainly don't think Jade Rawlings is the answer
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Good article Ramps. Sums up my concerns re. Rawlings. No problem if the board are wise to this and confident he can be a tough taskmaster, but it may not be his natural go.
When did we last have a tough bastard at the helm?
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Daniel, you are twisting words to suit your own agenda again! I am basing my thoughts on the progress of the younger players not win/loss ratio! Wins do wallpaper over cracks, i agree, but for the first time in recent history it seems to be the younger players who are influencing the game not the older ones! That must be good!
Read what you just wrote & think what you said Go Richo
infact its a old player in Ben Cousin controlling the game every week setting up the younger players cause there to dumb to grasp that you must run hard & win the ball. tell me 1 young player who runs hard like old Cousins
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Good article Ramps. Sums up my concerns re. Rawlings. No problem if the board are wise to this and confident he can be a tough taskmaster, but it may not be his natural go.
When did we last have a tough bastard at the helm?
The bit about needing a 40yo Leigh Matthews type is exactly spot on. And from the list of candidates it seems to me that Damien Hardwick is the closest you can get in terms of personality and hardness. The fact that he has seen success everywhere is also very compelling.
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i cant believe SOME of you are touching yourself over a few cheap wins against the most useless teams in the comp.
hahahahahaha LMAO
i personally have learnt not to get excited about anything and after watching a few highlights on the net i am more convinced than ever.
IF RAWLINGS GETS THE JOB WE ARE stuffed FOR THE NEXT 2/3 YEARS
he is a glorified version of Wallace. what we are 12th in Tackles and Wallet was 9th.
he has done nothing and is playing players like Mcmahon, Patterson and Hislop which says to me he has NFI
its a shame we dont play anyone inside the top 8(Saints aside and look how that ended up) because i can guarantee they will smash us especially the top 4 then maybe then everyone can see we have not improved one little bit under him
Daniel, you are twisting words to suit your own agenda again! I am basing my thoughts on the progress of the younger players not win/loss ratio! Wins do wallpaper over cracks, i agree, but for the first time in recent history it seems to be the younger players who are influencing the game not the older ones! That must be good!
no of course your not using win/loss rational thats whay you brought up Geesch win/loss ratio when he was coach
as i said no idea.
watch the saints game again pal and see how the younger players responded to jade's game plan that day.
we snatched a game against the dees after the siren and your touching yourself over Jade.
he is another Wallace, albeit a younger one.
when i start seeing improved kicking and our club lead the tackle count come back to me.
in the mean time keep touching yourself over Jade.
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Wallace had lost the players, its not that hard for Rawlings to have achieved some limited improvement in some players as a result. Rawlings has never been in a successful premiership environment and thats a real issue for him going forward. He should go back to the VFL or go to the WAFL or SANFL and coach a couple of flags so he can show that he can achieve a flag. Richmond should not be an experiment for a coach who hasnt achieved success in the past.
Actually what Richmond should do is actually give the job to the best person and if that happens to Jade Rawlings so be it
i agree WP but the problem is the job is Jade's.
the club always does this and gets excited over nothing.
they will do it again im affraid
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The bit about needing a 40yo Leigh Matthews type is exactly spot on. And from the list of candidates it seems to me that Damien Hardwick is the closest you can get in terms of personality and hardness. The fact that he has seen success everywhere is also very compelling.
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oh yeah and tell us about Hardwicks personality and fill us in why ESS that would have known a tad better than you overlooked him in favour of Knights...It's about callibre and ability to manage 50 people not this mumbo jumbo about hardness...it aint 1942 follow the lead of Hawthorn and ESS and appoint the most outstanding candidate ,the whole time ignoring the neanderthel view that good coaches need to be premeirship hero knuckle dragging bloickheads...the footy graveyard is full of them already :o
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With regards to the good article provided by Ramps...
"to turn a culture you really need to wield the axe"
Correct me if Im wrong but didn't "Jade the blade" take almost 800 games experience out of the side when he took over.
I suggest that John Barnes should do some more research
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The bit about needing a 40yo Leigh Matthews type is exactly spot on. And from the list of candidates it seems to me that Damien Hardwick is the closest you can get in terms of personality and hardness. The fact that he has seen success everywhere is also very compelling.
oh yeah and tell us about Hardwicks personality and fill us in why ESS that would have known a tad better than you overlooked him in favour of Knights...It's about callibre and ability to manage 50 people not this mumbo jumbo about hardness...it aint 1942 follow the lead of Hawthorn and ESS and appoint the most outstanding candidate ,the whole time ignoring the neanderthel view that good coaches need to be premeirship hero knuckle dragging bloickheads...the footy graveyard is full of them already :o
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Hardwicks CV says it all. Premiership player at Essendon, Premiership Player at Port Adelaide. Premiership Assistant Coach Port Adelaide, Premiership Assistant Coach Hawthorn. Knights got the job coz he told the Essendon board that they had a good list and could make the 8. Also Port Adelaide seem happy to offer Hardwick there coaching job after Williams finishes.
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i agree WP but the problem is the job is Jade's.
the club always does this and gets excited over nothing.
they will do it again im affraid
But daniel maybe he might actually be the best person for the job... if the process (gawd I hate that term ;D) deems he is then he is....
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Hardwicks CV says it all. Premiership player at Essendon, Premiership Player at Port Adelaide. Premiership Assistant Coach Port Adelaide, Premiership Assistant Coach Hawthorn. Knights got the job coz he told the Essendon board that they had a good list and could make the 8. Also Port Adelaide seem happy to offer Hardwick there coaching job after Williams finishes.
I am not sure his CV say it all Ramps. The premiership player bit cannot be disputed however there are still a number of question regarding his assistant coaching CV - need to know a bit more than he was an assistant coach at these clubs
What I'd like to know and I would hope as part of the "process" the RFC finds out is:
* what were/is his exact roles at Port and now Hawthorn - mid field, backs or forwards? What did he do in those roles - e.g conduct training sessions, his strategies etc
* What exposure has he had with player development - has he had any involvement in that area which is actually quite seperate to being an assistant
I suppose the biggest difference between you and me is that you want someone who has been in successful environments, where as I don't think that is as important as getting the absolute right person for this footy club.
I keep coming back to Paul Roos - he is an outstanding coach but if the Swans applied your criteria he wouldn't have got the gig and wouldn't be there today and I doubt very much they would have won that premiership
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You make some good points WP and I agree that the best person should get the job BUT everything I have seen points to Hardwick being something special.
When Kighter got the Essendon job it was only by a whisker and that he had a more positive opinion of the Essendon list, he also was the assistant coach at the club.
Since then Hardwick has won a flag at Hawthorn and I believe from what I have heard there are some similarities to how he went about it and 1980 with Sheeds.
Rawlings has done all the right things so far but there is a suggestion that its not just not Jade but the relief of TW moved on that is assisting the club at the moment. Rawlings has not had to deal with the tough times yet and might still be very good but I still like the experience, hardness and hunger for success that Harwick would bring. If Hardwick got the job I would love to see Rawlings get the Coburg job back though.
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When Knighter got the Essendon job it was only by a whisker and that he had a more positive opinion of the Essendon list, he also was the assistant coach at the club.
Can someone please direct me to the media article(s) that reported this urban myth? I have only ever seen this repeated ad nauseum in football forums and I have to say - I have a healthy reticence to believe anything that is not substantiated in any other way.
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Hardwick is our man plain and simple.
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Was Knighter the coach of the Bendigo Bombers when he got the job?
Seems a little to familar to Jade guys if we want to use the Knights scenario!
Im a convert to Jade, but i can see valuable points in everyones argument and refuse to criticise those who dont want Rawlings. I just hope we all get behind him if he gets the job! If Hardwick gets the job then he'll have my support as he is a quality candidate too!
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Daniel, you are twisting words to suit your own agenda again! I am basing my thoughts on the progress of the younger players not win/loss ratio! Wins do wallpaper over cracks, i agree, but for the first time in recent history it seems to be the younger players who are influencing the game not the older ones! That must be good!
Read what you just wrote & think what you said Go Richo
infact its a old player in Ben Cousin controlling the game every week setting up the younger players cause there to dumb to grasp that you must run hard & win the ball. tell me 1 young player who runs hard like old Cousins
I fully agree TM! Thats why recruiting Ben has been such a blessing! But Ben coming to the club and improving the standard of play of the Tigers is more an indightment on the predecessor than Rawlings.
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Was Knighter the coach of the Bendigo Bombers when he got the job?
Yes he was
Seems a little to familar to Jade guys if we want to use the Knights scenario!
Im a convert to Jade, but i can see valuable points in everyones argument and refuse to criticise those who dont want Rawlings. I just hope we all get behind him if he gets the job! If Hardwick gets the job then he'll have my support as he is a quality candidate too!
I agree GR12 - whoever they appoint it is imperative that we get behind the new coach.
I have my own view on who should get the gig from the day Wallace left the building ;D Had a gut feel for who was the right person and I haven't changed my view but certainly have taken on board peoples arguments for and agaisnt the various candidates
Hardwick is our man plain and simple.
This is interesting - so many people are saying this but why? I am not so sure ;D
You make some good points WP and I agree that the best person should get the job BUT everything I have seen points to Hardwick being something special.
When Kighter got the Essendon job it was only by a whisker and that he had a more positive opinion of the Essendon list, he also was the assistant coach at the club.
Since then Hardwick has won a flag at Hawthorn and I believe from what I have heard there are some similarities to how he went about it and 1980 with Sheeds.
Rawlings has done all the right things so far but there is a suggestion that its not just not Jade but the relief of TW moved on that is assisting the club at the moment. Rawlings has not had to deal with the tough times yet and might still be very good but I still like the experience, hardness and hunger for success that Harwick would bring. If Hardwick got the job I would love to see Rawlings get the Coburg job back though.
Have to say comparing to Sheeds in 1981 doesn't sit well for mine camboon
Have to also say I would love someone to explain how things are pointing to Hardwick being something special?
Just because he's played in 2 premiership sides doesn't carry as much weight with me as obviously it does with others. There are plenty of former premeirship players who have gone onto coach and have been terrible coaches (Watson, Hart anyone)
As I said I keep coming back to Paul Roos
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A coach needs to have a fair bit of mongrel, on the surface Jade doesnt show this, even as a player he didnt exhibit this, Hardwick on the other hand ....
As for Watson and Hart - they were superstars but they really didnt exhibit the mongrel element.
Richmond is a dog eat dog environment. The bloke who gets the job needs to swing the axe hard and fast, he needs to take no prisoners, and he needs to adopt a 'no sacred cows' philosophy.
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I'd like an example other than Paul Roos. There are plenty of examples of well credentialled assistants who've gone on to become successful premiership coaches at senior level, but Paul Roos seems to be the only example of a caretaker who didn't win a flag as a player or assistant but went on to coach a Premiership.
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A coach needs to have a fair bit of mongrel, on the surface Jade doesnt show this, even as a player he didnt exhibit this, Hardwick on the other hand ....
Ross Lyon, Neil Craig, Paul Roos, Mark Thompson, Alistair Clarkson. Not too much mongrel in that successful lot. Firm in their belief however.............
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A coach needs to have a fair bit of mongrel, on the surface Jade doesnt show this, even as a player he didnt exhibit this, Hardwick on the other hand ....
As for Watson and Hart - they were superstars but they really didnt exhibit the mongrel element.
Richmond is a dog eat dog environment. The bloke who gets the job needs to swing the axe hard and fast, he needs to take no prisoners, and he needs to adopt a 'no sacred cows' philosophy.
I think the fact that Rawlings has doomed a few names to the Burgers is proof enough that he has some mongel! Smokey, what about Knights? Not much mongrel there either!
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Clarkson and Craig exhibit more than enough mongrel- Clarkson cleaned out the list at Hawthorn asap, his media appearances show he is a tough character. Thomsons playing record- Essendon premiership player, back pocket- tough as nails.
Only Roos is one candidate who probably didnt fit the categories.
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Smokey, what about Knights? Not much mongrel there either!
He hasn't done enough for me to class him as successful yet.
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Clarkson and Craig exhibit more than enough mongrel- Clarkson cleaned out the list at Hawthorn asap, his media appearances show he is a tough character. Thomsons playing record- Essendon premiership player, back pocket- tough as nails.
Only Roos is one candidate who probably didnt fit the categories.
So if this 'mongrel' can be defined by cleaning out lists or being 'media tough' then how can you judge a prospective coach who hasn't yet that that opportunity? Would you have said Craig was a 'mongrel' before he was made coach at Adelaide? I think you have confused strength of character and firmness of belief for 'mongrel'. And as for Clarkson and Thompson being players with 'mongrel'? Nah, sorry.
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Hardwicks CV says it all. Premiership player at Essendon, Premiership Player at Port Adelaide. Premiership Assistant Coach Port Adelaide, Premiership Assistant Coach Hawthorn. Knights got the job coz he told the Essendon board that they had a good list and could make the 8. Also Port Adelaide seem happy to offer Hardwick there coaching job after Williams finishes.
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how many useless coaches do you need reminding were premiereship players...if I heeded your pearls of wisdom TW should have remained in the job :o
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I'd throw Ross Lyon in the had no real success as a player but is doing a good job as a coach and he showed some mongrel by dropping the likes of Del Santo and Montagna - probably turned their careers around to a degree
Although the jury is still out in a huge way I don't think anyone can say Ratten had any mongrel in him
Neale Daniher was a reasonable coach and he wasn't a "mongrel" on the field either
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"mongrel" c'mon, what kinda neanderthel view is that, we may as well have a rock ape as coach...the dynamic of this job has changed since the 70s when all one needed were a few scalps on the belt and vwala...the demands of this job involve managing 40-50 people ...this takes a decent callibre of person...and 3 goals in a GF or a mongrel of a bloke just wont cut it otherwise Roger merret would have been a fantastic coach...hope that clears it up :shh
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how many useless coaches do you need reminding were premiereship players...if I heeded your pearls of wisdom TW should have remained in the job :o
It's not just his playing career though, he's been assistant at a premiership side too
I'd throw Ross Lyon in the had no real success as a player but is doing a good job as a coach and he showed some mongrel by dropping the likes of Del Santo and Montagna - probably turned their careers around to a degree
Although the jury is still out in a huge way I don't think anyone can say Ratten had any mongrel in him
Neale Daniher was a reasonable coach and he wasn't a "mongrel" on the field either
Ross Lyon - Midfield coach at Sydney for their Premiership in 2005 after arriving in 2004
Ratten - Remind me if he ever wins anything, very average coach if you ask me
Daniher - We don't want a "reasonable" coach
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All successful coaches have mongrel!! Do you always see it? NO Is it always made public? NO, Should it always be made public? Certainly not. But is it there? Absolutely it is. You can call it what ever you want, disciplined, hard nosed, motivated, full of intend, god knows I could go on for an hour camouflaging the mongrel concept with all types of verbiage. The most successful coaches are generally the biggest mongrels of them all. and Alistair Clarkson IS a mongrel.
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Smokey, what about Knights? Not much mongrel there either!
He hasn't done enough for me to class him as successful yet.
Essendon are doomed, bottom 4 next year. Essendon made 4 mistakes.
1. Allowed Sheedy to be white anted.
2. Sacked Sheedy on the black propagander of the whispering campaign.
3. Turned Damian Hardwick away from the senior coaches Job.
4. Employed Matthew Knights as the senior coach.
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A coach needs to have a fair bit of mongrel, on the surface Jade doesnt show this, even as a player he didnt exhibit this, Hardwick on the other hand ....
As for Watson and Hart - they were superstars but they really didnt exhibit the mongrel element.
Richmond is a dog eat dog environment. The bloke who gets the job needs to swing the axe hard and fast, he needs to take no prisoners, and he needs to adopt a 'no sacred cows' philosophy.
I think the fact that Rawlings has doomed a few names to the Burgers is proof enough that he has some mongel! Smokey, what about Knights? Not much mongrel there either!
Dooming 30 yo players to Coburg is no big statement. 15 to 20 players on our list shouldnt be on the list. No real big decisions have been made yet.
correct!!
until names that are not going to win us a flag start dropping off, i wouldn't be naming Jade our saviour
Whilst he keeps playing the Mclovin types it says to me Jade has not got a clue.
Mclovin, Patterson, King well the ladder 2 are good triers but sadly THATS ALL THEY WILL EVER BE.
Some of you live in lala land if you think they will help you to get into the finals and win a flag.
As quoted Jade has done nothing yet. absolutely nothing!!
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I'd rather Jade stayed interim until Cuz is ready to coach
If he can do what he's done this year in a coaching role, screw Bucks, Hird and every other hotshot, there's only one bloke for us.
He put his hand up this year and he's been amazing
Do we want an inspirational leader who's one of our own?
You can't go past the Cuz
I would like to see him write another chapter in his life story after his playing days are over in a couple of years time.
LMAO@me being like a born-again Christian lol
I hated the idea of him coming to the Tiges when I first heard
Well, I eat my words now with glee
:gotigers
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It would be funny if say a Hardwick was appointed and the first thing he says is all the over 30's are gawn and that means Cuz too ...there would be a mutiny before he even coaches a game ;D
And trust me it could happen :rollin
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It would be funny if say a Hardwick was appointed and the first thing he says is all the over 30's are gawn and that means Cuz too ...there would be a mutiny before he even coaches a game ;D
And trust me it could happen :rollin
And trust me, there'll be a mass exodus of members if that happens as well
He is one of the few shining lights about the club at the moment
And Hardwick or whoever won't have a moment's rest after that silly decision if it happens.
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I'd rather Jade stayed interim until Cuz is ready to coach
If he can do what he's done this year in a coaching role, screw Bucks, Hird and every other hotshot, there's only one bloke for us.
He put his hand up this year and he's been amazing
Do we want an inspirational leader who's one of our own?
You can't go past the Cuz
I would like to see him write another chapter in his life story after his playing days are over in a couple of years time.
LMAO@me being like a born-again Christian lol
I hated the idea of him coming to the Tiges when I first heard
Well, I eat my words now with glee
:gotigers
what a great laugh wanting a recovering drug addict at the helm of a football club when he is troubled & not over his own problems
thats the funniest thing l read in along time bright spark :rollin :lol
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I'd rather Jade stayed interim until Cuz is ready to coach
If he can do what he's done this year in a coaching role, screw Bucks, Hird and every other hotshot, there's only one bloke for us.
He put his hand up this year and he's been amazing
Do we want an inspirational leader who's one of our own?
You can't go past the Cuz
I would like to see him write another chapter in his life story after his playing days are over in a couple of years time.
LMAO@me being like a born-again Christian lol
I hated the idea of him coming to the Tiges when I first heard
Well, I eat my words now with glee
:gotigers
what a great laugh wanting a recovering drug addict at the helm of a football club when he is troubled & not over his own problems
thats the funniest thing l read in along time bright spark :rollin :lol
I'd rather have him than a has been reserves player who's family's prominent in the game, dopey lol
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I'd rather have him than a has been reserves player who's family's prominent in the game, dopey lol
haha a family member has already coached Richmond & you eat them words when the next is appointed which will happen bright spark :rollin ;D
as for reserves player ;D very rare like Richo :thumbsup
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I'd rather have him than a has been reserves player who's family's prominent in the game, dopey lol
haha a family member has already coached Richmond & you eat them words when the next is appointed which will happen bright spark :rollin ;D
as for reserves player ;D very rare like Richo :thumbsup
I know you'd rather talk about yourself, but Cuz would make an excellent inspirational coach
If we can have that buffoon, Frawley (any relation?) we can have a bloke who shows more commitment to the task than anyone we've seen in the last 10 years.
Who just happens to be a former drug addict
Try and be a bit more supportive, Monk, of someone who's getting his life together
It may happen to someone in your family one day :wallywink
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I'd rather have him than a has been reserves player who's family's prominent in the game, dopey lol
haha a family member has already coached Richmond & you eat them words when the next is appointed which will happen bright spark :rollin ;D
as for reserves player ;D very rare like Richo :thumbsup
I know you'd rather talk about yourself, but Cuz would make an excellent inspirational coach
If we can have that buffoon, Frawley (any relation?) we can have a bloke who shows more commitment to the task than anyone we've seen in the last 10 years.
Who just happens to be a former drug addict
Try and be a bit more supportive, Monk, of someone who's getting his life together
It may happen to someone in your family one day :wallywink
was l talking about myself ? l'm sure you started that off l just go along with you.
Ben Cousins is one of my favorite footballers even before coming to Richmond. his far from over his addiction & relapse is a high percentage rate in drug abusers. Anyway l hate drugs & could name many more footballers who were caught & not exposed from many clubs which the AFL should expose & which would take all the heat away from Cousins but they dont want to do that because drug abusers are rife in the VFL/AFL & always has been the case.
No Frawley is not related but l do like the bloke he is a better coach than Wallace anyday.
Every family has drug problems at some stage be it perscription or other. l have told my children since a very young age the damage they do in later life & they understand but that dont mean they will never try them.
Ben might make a great coach in 10 years clean
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Ben might make a great coach in 10 years clean
Three years clean
He'll get there :thumbsup
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Three years clean
He'll get there :thumbsup
l didnot think he been clean for that many years. not sure years fly past so quick these days
Ben is a great leader & a player like Newman has the best teacher if he allows Ben to talk to the group out on the ground like we seen recently.
Many would think this is not good for Chris to do, but in fact its the best thing that he could be doing seeing how a champion goes about his job. it also shows the other players including the older players like Richo, Bowden, Brown whats required at the very top to be a leader.
Cousins is a much better captain than Judd IMO & is much more driven now than ever before. If all them players sucked the energy out of that, then they will be better people & better players who will be able to carry that onto others in the future of the game.
they got to stop tanking 1st ;D
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I meant when he's been three years clean, appoint him
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its a hard one to judge as everyone is different with addiction. l seen many footballers clean themselves up, its a pity l cannot mention names of other AFL players that l know 100% were delisted or sacked from using & l'm not one to let slip to the media to get things out there when clubs & players have hidden it. Anyway time to work continue later. :thumbsup
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It would be funny if say a Hardwick was appointed and the first thing he says is all the over 30's are gawn and that means Cuz too ...there would be a mutiny before he even coaches a game ;D
And trust me it could happen :rollin
And trust me, there'll be a mass exodus of members if that happens as well
He is one of the few shining lights about the club at the moment
And Hardwick or whoever won't have a moment's rest after that silly decision if it happens.
As the new coach it would be a good way to acquaint yourself with the passion of the Richmond supporter base! :o
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And trust me, there'll be a mass exodus of members if that happens as well
He is one of the few shining lights about the club at the moment
And Hardwick or whoever won't have a moment's rest after that silly decision if it happens.
I am with ya Froars - just highlighting a possible scenario that would be funny and gut wrenching.
I can see it .... All those calling for say a Hardwick or a Hinkley to coach us would possibly turn on their annointed one if he said I am cutting Cuz :thumbsup
As the new coach it would be a good way to acquaint yourself with the passion of the Richmond supporter base! :o
Certainly would a massive capital "F" back into the word FERAL :rollin
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Ross Lyon - Midfield coach at Sydney for their Premiership in 2005 after arriving in 2004
Ratten - Remind me if he ever wins anything, very average coach if you ask me
Daniher - We don't want a "reasonable" coach
Infamy - just pointing out those coaches that don't appear on the surface to have or had any of this "mongrel" that people are saying the next coach must have. Not saying they are good coaches (except Lyon at this stage). For what Daniher had it his disposal he did alright.
Also, Ross Lyon is another example of a coach not having success as a player but doing alright in the coaching department
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Daniher - We don't want a "reasonable" coach
9 years, 6 final series, 1 grand final, average list. He was a bit more than reasonable.
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what should Rawlings do if he doesn't get the job? Bit hard for him to go back to being an rfc understudy?
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Newy was asked by reporters today at training if he endorses Rawlings for next year? Newy responded by just saying I'm sure we all have faith in the club to make the right decision on the new coach. Not up to the players to go up to Craig Cameron and say who they want as coach. Us winning may help Jade's cause but it really is just about us developing as a side for the rest of the season. Jade's doing a good job on that front but Newy said he'll leave it up to the Club's process to determine the new coach. So SEN ran with the headline that Newman fails to endorse Rawlings as the next coach.
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Newy was asked by reporters today at training if he endorses Rawlings for next year? Newy responded by just saying I'm sure we all have faith in the club to make the right decision on the new coach. Not up to the players to go up to Craig Cameron and say who they want as coach. Us winning may help Jade's cause but it really is just about us developing as a side for the rest of the season. Jade's doing a good job on that front but Newy said he'll leave it up to the Club's process to determine the new coach. So SEN ran with the headline that Newman fails to endorse Rawlings as the next coach.
Damned if you do and damned if you dont. Nothing wrong with what Newy said and a good response I would have thought.
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Newy was asked by reporters today at training if he endorses Rawlings for next year? Newy responded by just saying I'm sure we all have faith in the club to make the right decision on the new coach. Not up to the players to go up to Craig Cameron and say who they want as coach. Us winning may help Jade's cause but it really is just about us developing as a side for the rest of the season. Jade's doing a good job on that front but Newy said he'll leave it up to the Club's process to determine the new coach. So SEN ran with the headline that Newman fails to endorse Rawlings as the next coach.
Damned if you do and damned if you dont. Nothing wrong with what Newy said and a good response I would have thought.
Plus Newy would have been instructed by the club PR to respond that way!
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Damned if you do and damned if you dont. Nothing wrong with what Newy said and a good response I would have thought.
Spot on - perfect answer from the Captain :thumbsup ;D
problem is I suppose that the other players have been talking Jade up a bit so the deluded souls in the media want all players to talk him up failure to do so creates a stupid pointless headline
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Daniher - We don't want a "reasonable" coach
9 years, 6 final series, 1 grand final, average list. He was a bit more than reasonable.
Firstly, I didn't choose the word reasonable, secondly, 9 years with the one team, 0 flags and left their list as one of the worst in the competition. I'd like to aim a little higher personally.
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Daniher - We don't want a "reasonable" coach
9 years, 6 final series, 1 grand final, average list. He was a bit more than reasonable.
Firstly, I didn't choose the word reasonable, secondly, 9 years with the one team, 0 flags and left their list as one of the worst in the competition. I'd like to aim a little higher personally.
I dont know what 6 finals (including 1 GF) appearances in 9 years feels like....but I do know what 2 finals appearances in 27 years feels like...and its not very pleasant
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Daniher - We don't want a "reasonable" coach
9 years, 6 final series, 1 grand final, average list. He was a bit more than reasonable.
Firstly, I didn't choose the word reasonable, secondly, 9 years with the one team, 0 flags and left their list as one of the worst in the competition. I'd like to aim a little higher personally.
I dont know what 6 finals (including 1 GF) appearances in 9 years feels like....but I do know what 2 finals appearances in 27 years feels like...and its not very pleasant
Im not a great fan of Neil coaching us either and i can see both sides of the argument but i wonder what Melbourne and Neil could have done with better finances and facilities?
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Daniher - We don't want a "reasonable" coach
9 years, 6 final series, 1 grand final, average list. He was a bit more than reasonable.
Im trying to imagine a world where Richmond has the same coach for 9 years and makes the finals 2 out of every 3 years.
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Daniher - We don't want a "reasonable" coach
9 years, 6 final series, 1 grand final, average list. He was a bit more than reasonable.
Firstly, I didn't choose the word reasonable, secondly, 9 years with the one team, 0 flags and left their list as one of the worst in the competition. I'd like to aim a little higher personally.
I dont know what 6 finals (including 1 GF) appearances in 9 years feels like....but I do know what 2 finals appearances in 27 years feels like...and its not very pleasant
So you're happy just making the finals and making up the numbers each year? Sorry, but I'd be happy missing the finals every year for 9 years if I knew we'd win a flag in the 10th year.
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Daniher - We don't want a "reasonable" coach
9 years, 6 final series, 1 grand final, average list. He was a bit more than reasonable.
Firstly, I didn't choose the word reasonable, secondly, 9 years with the one team, 0 flags and left their list as one of the worst in the competition. I'd like to aim a little higher personally.
I dont know what 6 finals (including 1 GF) appearances in 9 years feels like....but I do know what 2 finals appearances in 27 years feels like...and its not very pleasant
So you're happy just making the finals and making up the numbers each year? Sorry, but I'd be happy missing the finals every year for 9 years if I knew we'd win a flag in the 10th year.
"Quit telling everyone in town
You and I have settled down
I love the thrill of the case
You been following me around
I know you really wanna settle down
But I love the thrill of the chase"
Love the rollercoaster that is our magnificent club.
:cheers
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I hope that 10 year plan of yours Infamy started back in 2002... :cheers
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Here's the Newy article....
Tigers captain - No Jade push
Updated: 17:12, Tuesday August 4, 2009
Richmond captain Chris Newman has poured cold water over suggestions that the Tigers' playing group would push for interim coach Jade Rawlings to be appointed to the job permanently next season.
The momentum for Rawlings to be offered the full-time coaching job has built on the back on successive Richmond victories over Essendon and Melbourne.
But Newman said that while the players were pleased with the changes Rawlings has brought to the club since taking over from Terry Wallace in Round 12, they would not pressure the club to make a decision either way.
'I don't think the players have much of a say in it. I think the players have the trust in the club to be able to make the right decision at the end of the year and they've got that process in place. It's taking place at the moment. We back the club in that,' he said.
'I think he's doing a good job at the moment but it's sort of hard to comment on where we go after the year. I think the club will make the right decision.'
Rawlings' prospects of becoming the youngest full-time coach since Mick Malthouse took over at Footscray in 1984 have grown after Collingwood appointed Nathan Buckley as assistant and successor to current coach Malthouse. That effectively ruled out two candidates for the club, who are said to be going through a detailed process in order to find the best candidate.
But Newman said there was no sense that Rawlings' ambitions to secure the job full-time next season were distracting him from the task of developing the Tigers young squad.
'To win games helps his cause, but I think he's focused on trying to develop us the best he can. That's our position at the moment we're trying to develop as a side each week and he's doing that well at the moment,' Newman said.
'My relationship with Jade has always been pretty strong. He's doing a great job at the moment and he's got the full support of the boys at the moment, and I guess it's just up to the club at the end of the year to make that decision.'
http://www.skynews.com.au/sport/article.aspx?id=359107
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I hope that 10 year plan of yours Infamy started back in 2002... :cheers
We're due for a 3-peat ;)
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Firstly, I didn't choose the word reasonable, secondly, 9 years with the one team, 0 flags and left their list as one of the worst in the competition. I'd like to aim a little higher personally.
I didn't say you did Infamy, just used your last post to introduce my point. And personally I think he was a much better coach than he was ever able to demonstrate at Melbourne. You think we have been a bit short on football resources, good decisions and winning culture? These guys short-suit us - for 40+ years.
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It would be funny if say a Hardwick was appointed and the first thing he says is all the over 30's are gawn and that means Cuz too ...there would be a mutiny before he even coaches a game ;D
And trust me it could happen :rollin
What makes you think he didnt say he'd do that to Lloyd and Lucas and thats why he didnt get the job.
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Firstly, I didn't choose the word reasonable, secondly, 9 years with the one team, 0 flags and left their list as one of the worst in the competition. I'd like to aim a little higher personally.
I didn't say you did Infamy, just used your last post to introduce my point. And personally I think he was a much better coach than he was ever able to demonstrate at Melbourne. You think we have been a bit short on football resources, good decisions and winning culture? These guys short-suit us - for 40+ years.
The question is, who was it who was the one who decided to use their early picks to target positions rather than take best available and who trades away their selections for recycled players in the time he was there. I hope it was Neil as if it was Craig Cameron we may be in trouble.
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FWIW Mike and Healy reckon the game on the weekend dented Rawlings' chances of getting the gig while Russell disagreed.
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FWIW Mike and Healy reckon the game on the weekend dented Rawlings' chances of getting the gig while Russell disagreed.
Melbourne had half there team out. Our performance was disgraceful. Melbourne would have won by 10 goals had Jurrah, Morton, Wonamaerri and co. played.
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FWIW Mike and Healy reckon the game on the weekend dented Rawlings' chances of getting the gig while Russell disagreed.
Melbourne had half there team out. Our performance was disgraceful. Melbourne would have won by 10 goals had Jurrah, Morton, Wonamaerri and co. played.
perhaps you might like to fill us all in how Melbourne have been faring with all the players you mention in the side :whistle
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if we had of kicked straight in the 1st quarter and the unpiring had of been fair, we would have won by 10 goals plus
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Cuz would make an excellent inspirational coach
If we can have that buffoon, Frawley (any relation?) we can have a bloke who shows more commitment to the task than
Ben, by that interview with Robinson, doesn't totally dismiss the suggestion of him coaching
Get on board people :thumbsup
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I couldn't find this on the net so I scanned it in....
Will Tigers risk all on Rawlings?
By Mark Robinson
Sunday Herald-Sun 09 AUG 2009, Page S05
As Richmond closes in on their most important decision in years -- when isn't it with the Tigers? -- one thought hangs in the air: Has "Jade the Blade" done enough?
The rookie coach is fighting for the job against Damien Hardwick, Alan Richardson, Brad Scott, perhaps Dean Laidley, Ken Hinkley and anyone else who may jump out of the box, remembering Ross Lyon made a Kiwi-like run at the furlong and the rest is history or, indeed, history in the making.
Rawlings, at 31, is talking like a coach. But that's not to say he should be Richmond's next coach.
And there is a difference. Does he desperately want to coach Richmond, or desperately want to coach?
The urgency of the Tigers role is on him, and it makes him feel very much alive. But even he would concede he can't tick all the magical boxes that pop up around these times.
And it makes him a risk.
Others also are a risk, but who is less so?
If anything, Rawlings has shown to outsiders anyhow he has the passion, intelligence, confidence and honesty, a hardish hand, and his public utterances have not deterred anyone.
Malcolm Blight may be zany, but his opinion carries weight. Less so Shane Crawford -- not the zany bit -- but these two have been overwhelming in their belief Rawlings should get the Tigers job.
The players, too, have been supportive.
Rawlings made tough calls on Joel Bowden and Troy Simmonds, though some say he made them scapegoats, particularly Bowden, and he has told his brother-in-law, Matthew Richardson, face-to-face that to play next year he would need to pull his head in regarding on-field behaviour.
In the six weeks since he replaced Terry Wallace, the Tigers have played better football. Unquestionably. A form ladder in that time puts Richmond eighth, with three wins and a draw from seven games. It defeated West Coast, was smacked by St Kilda, pushed Adelaide up north, saved face against Carlton, gave up 40-odd points to draw with North, beat a sluggish Essendon and fell in against an ``experimenting'' Melbourne.
Like a show bag, there's good and bad in that lot.
Like it or not, Jade Rawlings the footballer will be scrutinised -- how he played and what he achieved personally, and in a team environment.
He is up against former players with better CVs.
Hardwick played in two premierships, is assistant coach at Hawthorn during a revolutionary period of the game, has a footy brain, was a hard bastard as a player and will hit Richmond between the eyes with what he thinks of it's list. Scott also has premiership connections and glowing references, while Hinkley has built a fine reputation.
AND then there's Laidley.
If the Tigers want a first-timer, Laidley is out of the picture. He will learn that this week.
If not, he shapes as the smoky and the jungle drums tell us he is keen to coach the Tigers.
In six seasons at North, he had four winning seasons in an under-resourced environment.
He has experience, and his ability to read the game and its nuances have been widely acknowledged.
The marketing thing has been overplayed. Really, does Mick Malthouse promote Collingwood or does he coach the team?
To be fair, no one really knows who is the right man for the job.
In the end, it's a gut-instinct decision, though having combed through every available bit of information.
Jade has done nothing wrong, but, on the flip side, has he done enough right to convince the Tigers?
The gut says no, but certainly not no way.
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Rawlings must NOT get the job next year.
The Melbourne and Nth Games are proof enough
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Jade Rawlings as l said is a YES MAN & a scapegoat.
Richmond are doomed if he coaches & the players are not playing for him judging off the Melbourne game
Sydney game will tell a whole new story, As much as l like to see a win against Sydney l think they will punish us today.
Lets see how Rawlings vs Roos this will give a insight to his coaching ability against a top tactical coach.
As l say that we will fall down in the assistant coaching department against J Longmire & Co
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Errr, i'd hope we look at someone that hasn't been around Richmond.
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Jade Rawlings as l said is a YES MAN & a scapegoat.
Richmond are doomed if he coaches & the players are not playing for him judging off the Melbourne game
Sydney game will tell a whole new story, As much as l like to see a win against Sydney l think they will punish us today.
Lets see how Rawlings vs Roos this will give a insight to his coaching ability against a top tactical coach.
As l say that we will fall down in the assistant coaching department against J Longmire & Co
CORRECT!
I have witnessed complete RUBBISH the past 2 weeks now.
Today just showed that Jade Rawlings has LITTLE IDEA.
Was completely out coached.
Enough is enough.
Go back to having some structure please.
Watching today you would of thought WALLACE was back coaching :banghead
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I think the Jade honeymoon just ended...if it didnt end last week against the Tees...oops i meant the Dees...the T slipped in from their Tanking...
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Jade Rawlings as l said is a YES MAN & a scapegoat.
Richmond are doomed if he coaches & the players are not playing for him judging off the Melbourne game
Sydney game will tell a whole new story, As much as l like to see a win against Sydney l think they will punish us today.
Lets see how Rawlings vs Roos this will give a insight to his coaching ability against a top tactical coach.
As l say that we will fall down in the assistant coaching department against J Longmire & Co
CORRECT!
I have witnessed complete RUBBISH the past 2 weeks now.
Today just showed that Jade Rawlings has LITTLE IDEA.
Was completely out coached.
Enough is enough.
Go back to having some structure please.
Watching today you would of thought WALLACE was back coaching :banghead
where is Richo12 and his love affair of Jade now.
some of you who thought this guy can coach got to see what he is all about today.
Jade is rubbish not just because he lost today but because he drew against North, lucky to beat Bombers and beat a tanking dees.
Some of you must be on drugs because i read posts and time and time again you start touching yourselves after a meaningless win as Richo 12, and others, have done the last month.
WE NEED HARDWICK SIMPLE AS THAT!!
not only Hardwick i would bring in Sheeds as a director of coaching and completely clean out each and every assistant coach except for Campo. Jade has proven today he has no idea. That game plan was a total disgrace and so reminded me of one Terry Wallet.
Im glad we lost today because it put a nail in that Jade Rawlings coften. Now lets go get someone who can coach and not someone who "all the players love, and who all the players want as coach"
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l think jack has been telling you all that for so long l cant remember ;D
2 old men blew us away what a joke.
Longmire was coaching & give Rawlings a touch up :rollin
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l think jack has been telling you all that for so long l cant remember ;D
2 old men blew us away what a joke.
Longmire was coaching & give Rawlings a touch up :rollin
I enjoyed the match because it made our coaching direction clear.
I just hope they offer Jade a head of Development job and shore up Damien Hardwick quickly.
Longmire coaching today certainly made the North job interesting as well.
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For me it was the best day of the season.
Why?
Not because we lost to Sydney as I loathe them it could be any opposition............
It proved Jade cannot be coach of the RFC full time for the next 3 years.
Outcoached outthought outfoxed.......
Hardwick just got the senior gig if he wants it.
Ramps we won't lose by 15 goals next week but it will be a brave 8 goal loss after we kick the first two of the game to send Joel off in style. Now that is something for the clappers and the winning culture to take to the bank. I was hoping to ut my savings into Butcher or Scully. Meaningless wins in the last 2 weeks that fooled so many again.............
Could not believe the bookies had us a virtual even money bet.
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l think jack has been telling you all that for so long l cant remember ;D
2 old men blew us away what a joke.
Longmire was coaching & give Rawlings a touch up :rollin
I enjoyed the match because it made our coaching direction clear.
I just hope they offer Jade a head of Development job and shore up Damien Hardwick quickly.
Longmire coaching today certainly made the North job interesting as well.
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Why head of devlopment???.
Would think Coburg is his limit at best
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For me it was the best day of the season.
Why?
Not because we lost to Sydney as I loathe them it could be any opposition............
It proved Jade cannot be coach of the RFC full time for the next 3 years.
Outcoached outthought outfoxed.......
Hardwick just got the senior gig if he wants it.
Ramps we won't lose by 15 goals next week but it will be a brave 8 goal loss after we kick the first two of the game to send Joel off in style. Now that is something for the clappers and the winning culture to take to the bank. I was hoping to ut my savings into Butcher or Scully. Meaningless wins in the last 2 weeks that fooled so many again.............
Could not believe the bookies had us a virtual even money bet.
Took the $2.10 Sydney, unbelievable odds, should of been $1.30 ish ??
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For me it was the best day of the season.
Why?
Not because we lost to Sydney as I loathe them it could be any opposition............
It proved Jade cannot be coach of the RFC full time for the next 3 years.
Outcoached outthought outfoxed.......
Hardwick just got the senior gig if he wants it.
Ramps we won't lose by 15 goals next week but it will be a brave 8 goal loss after we kick the first two of the game to send Joel off in style. Now that is something for the clappers and the winning culture to take to the bank. I was hoping to ut my savings into Butcher or Scully. Meaningless wins in the last 2 weeks that fooled so many again.............
Could not believe the bookies had us a virtual even money bet.
Took the $2.10 Sydney, unbelievable odds, should of been $1.30 ish ??
Well done Jack had Sydney in a leg of my multi with Parramatta North Melbourne and Newcastle in the A League. Hoping for a Chelsea win tonight in the Community Shield tonight over Man Utd to ca$h in.
Thieving money :clapping
We are making out like bandits. :clapping
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Go Chelsea :thumbsup
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And I enjoyed getting out of the carpark easily, half the (smallish) crowd went home early.
:lol
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And I enjoyed getting out of the carpark easily, half the (smallish) crowd went home early.
:lol
I left and before 3/4 time, the staff at the ground where trying to keep the thousands of supporters in, they wouldnt open the doors, LOL
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Why am I not surprised by some of the comments :banghead
I have to say I haven't change my view on what this club needs and who is that person should be
And just so I am absolutely clear on things ... today's loss had nothing to do with the poor efforts of any players, the lack of leadership which resulted in players dropping their heads when things got a bit tough and poor skills and decision making that has been a major problem at this club for goodness knows how long?
I agree that the buck stops with the coach but struth can we please direct some of the venom to the players especially the "leaders" who were out there today ..... the lack of leadership was numbing
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Why am I not surprised by some of the comments :banghead
I have to say I haven't change my view on what this club needs and who is that person should be
And just so I am absolutely clear on things ... today's loss had nothing to do with the poor efforts of any players, the lack of leadership which resulted in players dropping their heads when things got a bit tough and poor skills and decision making that has been a major problem at this club for goodness knows how long?
I agree that the buck stops with the coach but struth can we please direct some of the venom to the players especially the "leaders" who were out there today ..... the lack of leadership was numbing
yes and Nathan Brown and Newy lead that space.
Gee i cant stand to watch Brown anymore.
sad what has happened but gee get rid of him.
Newy well if he isn't another Sugar then i am not sitting here today. No right foot and does he lead by example???
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The man that will mould these players into a cohesive team oriented working unit week in and week out as far as I am concerned is the man for this job at the RFC.
Even though Hardwick is my preference I don't care who it is. But surely Jade has to be held responsible for that today also. For the last few weeks some players were talking about how and this aint verbatim but "They love playing for Jade"
Yet they come up with a performance like that. What hapenned and wasn't the writing on the wall last week in the game style we adopted in falling over the line against Melbourne. We need army discipline Clint Eastwood Heartbreak Ridge style not the Police Academy 3 or 4 type of disciple. The and only then will players be held accountable for performances like this and the players will know about and will know they will get a rocket up their arses because of it as it won't be acceptable not coaches passing the buck in their press conferences blaming cultures of footy clubs and past histories as the reasons behind their teams loss. What those reasons were not apparent last week Jade?
Would an honorary loss by 20 points to the Pies put Jade back in the frame but a 10 goal loss be blamed on club culture. I personally think both can be blamed on club culture and Jade aint the right man to change it.
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yes and Nathan Brown and Newy lead that space.
Gee i cant stand to watch Brown anymore.
sad what has happened but gee get rid of him.
Newy well if he isn't another Sugar then i am not sitting here today. No right foot and does he lead by example???
Argh Newman is run in the last - I actually thought he was heading towards the tennis centre was fantastic .... NOT :banghead :banghead He had players actually leading for him and he ran towards the AFL members, I swear I thought he was heading towards Rod Laver Arena
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Longmire coaching today certainly made the North job interesting as well.
Got no idea why Longmire isn't a shoe-in for North. Considering Lyon's impact at Saints and that Longmire is more senior than Lyon was. He's not the best speaker, but plenty of coaches aren't initially. Does he want the Roos job?
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As has been posted earlier, Geish has the best win/loss of any Tiger coach in recent history! It now appears as though Jade has the proven form and the others are the unknown!
LMAO at your posts Richo12. Like reading a comedy act.
its no surprise you haven't posted one thing today
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Longmire coaching today certainly made the North job interesting as well.
Got no idea why Longmire isn't a shoe-in for North. Considering Lyon's impact at Saints and that Longmire is more senior than Lyon was. He's not the best speaker, but plenty of coaches aren't initially. Does he want the Roos job?
Would be perfect for the Roos job, but some blokes are happy to be pulling the strings from behind the scenes as he does at Sydney opposed to being in the limelight. Longmire doesn't look like the effervescent type, but then again Sydney don't play that type of footy and North is not that type of club which again leads me to think that he is comfortable at Sydney.
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Longmire coaching today certainly made the North job interesting as well.
Got no idea why Longmire isn't a shoe-in for North. Considering Lyon's impact at Saints and that Longmire is more senior than Lyon was. He's not the best speaker, but plenty of coaches aren't initially. Does he want the Roos job?
Would be perfect for the Roos job, but some blokes are happy to be pulling the strings from behind the scenes as he does at Sydney opposed to being in the limelight. Longmire doesn't look like the effervescent type, but then again Sydney don't play that type of footy and North is not that type of club which again leads me to think that he is comfortable at Sydney.
Not the case. He's been promised Paul Roos job.
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Now just so I get everything clear.... yesterday's loss was all the coaches fault, had nothing to do with the players or anything else???
Well here are 3 names:
Mark Williams
Mark Thompson
Rodney Eade
3 very good coaches - 2 are premeirship coaches the other is a premiership player. So going by the criteria set by many here they would tick every box required to be Richmond's coach.
The 3 teams they coach lost on the weekend....
Port were pathetic, Dogs were abysmal and Geelong seemed disinterested
Who's fault is that exactly?
Applying the arguments seen throughout this forum since yesterday the losses are squarely their fault no ifs buts and maybes .... can't apply any other logic to it, can't be an other excuses... it has to be theirs right?
Or do different rules appply to others clubs
Just checking
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Now just so I get everything clear.... yesterday's loss was all the coaches fault, had nothing to do with the players or anything else???
Well here are 3 names:
Mark Williams
Mark Thompson
Rodney Eade
3 very good coaches - 2 are premeirship coaches the other is a premiership player. So going by the criteria set by many here they would tick every box required to be Richmond's coach.
The 3 teams they coach lost on the weekend....
Port were pathetic, Dogs were abysmal and Geelong seemed disinterested
Who's fault is that exactly?
Applying the arguments seen throughout this forum since yesterday the losses are squarely their fault no ifs buts and maybes .... can't apply any other logic to it, can't be an other excuses... it has to be theirs right?
Or do different rules appply to others clubs
Just checking
Williams has produced a Premiership for his club as coach
Thomson has produced a Premiership for his club as coach
Eade has the Bulldogs as a constant Finals Performer
The reason why we are calling for Hardwick is because we understand that its the players fault. But the truth is if youve been in the Richmond coaching team over the past 1 to 5 years you have to be prepared to accept some form of responsibility. Whilst he may have been a bit player over the past 2 years, Rawlings has played a part and alot of us want someone new.
A coach who will come in and cut the list right back to the bone- if we have to cut 12 or 14 we should.
A coach who will bring in a new group of assistants
A coach who will bring in new fitness staff
A coach who will teach the players a new direct style of footy
A coach who can IMPOSE his will on the club and change the poo culture that exists.
We have extreme doubts that Rawlings can do these things
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Jade wouldnt tick too many boxes at the moment
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you dont go crazy cutting the list, we have the players.
They just need better coaching & fitness advisors + medical staff who know when to have authority over the player & make better judgements instead of making them break & when broken there is no value to anyone player or club.
Ramps your on the mark but l would hunt down Leigh Matthews who has the whole package & has lifed the Cup at 3 clubs
You cannot get a more experienced coach whos makes the hard decisions & had left his previous club a good players list which Voss has to work with & playing finals in his first year as coach, Yes Brisbane has been beaten by some teams but the fact is they are playing finals, the same place we should be.
We have the players but Wallace/Rawlings have not coached them properly cause they are both always on TV ;D have no idea how to develope a club & have not looked at how other clubs go about it cause all the spys are at Richmond & deliver the game plans which a child could workout :lol :rollin
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l like to see what a new coach would do with our current list apart from McMahon unless he pulls his poo together.
1 year would see a huge difference under someone with a football brain how to build a AFL league side into better skills
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The Job at Richmond is so big, the changes needed so massive, this coaching appointment is a huge appointment.
Its time to clear the decks. The players, the fitness staff, the coaches and assistant coaches. Its time for a massive cleanout. I dont agree that we have players, we have a crap list, if the board want to influence the joint by appointing someone they can influence then they can go jump. We want a tough bastard in the coaches box, someone who will clean the joint out and turn Richmond around. I just heard the rumours on SEN about the board wanting some players to play on .... How about effen waiting for the new coach to come on board and decide who stays and who goes. Its just disgraceful.
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You obviously havent been reading my posts for the past 3 years :banghead
You are too involoved in how many Souvlakis you can eat at the Souvlaki Hut. :lol
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You are too involoved in how many Souvlakis you can eat at the Souvlaki Hut. :lol
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh haha
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The Job at Richmond is so big, the changes needed so massive, this coaching appointment is a huge appointment.
Its time to clear the decks. The players, the fitness staff, the coaches and assistant coaches. Its time for a massive cleanout. I dont agree that we have players, we have a crap list, if the board want to influence the joint by appointing someone they can influence then they can go jump. We want a tough bastard in the coaches box, someone who will clean the joint out and turn Richmond around. I just heard the rumours on SEN about the board wanting some players to play on .... How about effen waiting for the new coach to come on board and decide who stays and who goes. Its just disgraceful.
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You obviously havent been reading my posts for the past 3 years :banghead
You are too involoved in how many Souvlakis you can eat at the Souvlaki Hut. :lol
Ive actually never been in a souvlaki hut and I have read your posts, atleast when you were here and not self boycotting yourself Jacko. ;D
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Williams has produced a Premiership for his club as coach
Thomson has produced a Premiership for his club as coach
Eade has the Bulldogs as a constant Finals Performer
The reason why we are calling for Hardwick is because we understand that its the players fault. But the truth is if youve been in the Richmond coaching team over the past 1 to 5 years you have to be prepared to accept some form of responsibility. Whilst he may have been a bit player over the past 2 years, Rawlings has played a part and alot of us want someone new.
A coach who will come in and cut the list right back to the bone- if we have to cut 12 or 14 we should.
A coach who will bring in a new group of assistants
A coach who will bring in new fitness staff
A coach who will teach the players a new direct style of footy
A coach who can IMPOSE his will on the club and change the poo culture that exists.
We have extreme doubts that Rawlings can do these things
Ramps, you've missed the whole point of my post (and btw I undestand what you posted) but what I have read in regard to yesterday's result is that the result is solely the fault of the coach and no-one elses.
All I was asking is who is to blame for the 3 losses that the Cats, Dogs and Port suffered? Was it all the fault of the coach, the players or a collective? If it is sole the fault of the coach then some of the arguments I am reading become more valid if those losses were not the fault solely of the coach then the arguments lose their impact because the reasoning becomes selective. Shouldn't the rules be the same?
I understand that these 3 coaches have been successful that is the exact reason I used them in my example. Are they solely to blame for ther teams losses this weekend?
And just on culture - why is it OK for we the supporters to bag the RFC culture ad nauseum but a coach (whoever it is) comes out and says it and it is disgraceful for them to mention it?
I actually applaud the honesty rather than having to put up with crap like:
"Well we were flat today" or "we had a very young team with only xx games of experience compared to their 1500" or "it was alet down after the last few weeks" or "we are young they are tired" which are poor excuses used to protect players
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His idea of fixing things is too get rid of all old players leaving the younger players no-one to look up to or follow apart from Cousins & Cuz cant wipe all their bums
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Williams has produced a Premiership for his club as coach
Thomson has produced a Premiership for his club as coach
Eade has the Bulldogs as a constant Finals Performer
The reason why we are calling for Hardwick is because we understand that its the players fault. But the truth is if youve been in the Richmond coaching team over the past 1 to 5 years you have to be prepared to accept some form of responsibility. Whilst he may have been a bit player over the past 2 years, Rawlings has played a part and alot of us want someone new.
A coach who will come in and cut the list right back to the bone- if we have to cut 12 or 14 we should.
A coach who will bring in a new group of assistants
A coach who will bring in new fitness staff
A coach who will teach the players a new direct style of footy
A coach who can IMPOSE his will on the club and change the poo culture that exists.
We have extreme doubts that Rawlings can do these things
Ramps, you've missed the whole point of my post (and btw I undestand what you posted) but what I have read in regard to yesterday's result is that the result is solely the fault of the coach and no-one elses.
All I was asking is who is to blame for the 3 losses that the Cats, Dogs and Port suffered? Was it all the fault of the coach, the players or a collective? If it is sole the fault of the coach then some of the arguments I am reading become more valid if those losses were not the fault solely of the coach then the arguments lose their impact because the reasoning becomes selective. Shouldn't the rules be the same?
I understand that these 3 coaches have been successful that is the exact reason I used them in my example. Are they solely to blame for ther teams losses this weekend?
And just on culture - why is it OK for we the supporters to bag the RFC culture ad nauseum but a coach (whoever it is) comes out and says it and it is disgraceful for them to mention it?
I actually applaud the honesty rather than having to put up with crap like:
"Well we were flat today" or "we had a very young team with only xx games of experience compared to their 1500" or "it was alet down after the last few weeks" or "we are young they are tired" which are poor excuses used to protect players
To come out and say the culture is no good isnt hard, what Jade needs to come out and say is HOW HE WOULD FIX IT! CAN he Impose his philosophies on the place and turn it around.
It is these point that has us concerned about his potential to coach next year- especially at just 31years of age.
or better yet Ramps he should have come out and said exactly that but after we had beaten a woeful dees or Bombers not just after we lose.
If he knows its a cultural problem i would have more respect for him if he come out after those wins.
as i said those wins dont hide the cultural or development problems at Punt Road.
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His idea of fixing things is too get rid of all old players leaving the younger players no-one to look up to or follow apart from Cousins & Cuz cant wipe all their bums
Correct.its like a ship without a rudder
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His idea of fixing things is too get rid of all old players leaving the younger players no-one to look up to or follow apart from Cousins & Cuz cant wipe all their bums
Correct.its like a ship without a rudder
Just like it has been for 27 years?