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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: nahadaman on July 29, 2009, 11:43:01 AM
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Whta do you reckon.??
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Whta do you reckon.??
Good on him for testing his limits! I really hope it puts to bed this theory that Rugby League is the toughest game in the world too! I hope he can catch the ball above his head as not too many leaguers can!
Overall, this is going to be one interesting exercise but it poos me that Gold Coast can speculate on a NRL player when they have so many recruiting concessions!
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I was speaking to some rugby enthusiasts and they say it is like losing Nick Riewoldt to rugby! Great promotion for the code and new Gold Coast club in particular. Given that he is a famous Queenslander, he will generate a huge amount of interest for the side when he plays. Regardless whether he is successful on the field the promotional advantages this signing holds can not be measured.
Well done to the AFL but just make sure that you underperform when you eventually play the Tigers :D
Stripes
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It's a massive coup although GC are really the only ones who can do this and get it done without a drawn out process because no one else has such free agency jurisdiction.
Should be interesting to see how he takes to the game.
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He hasn't got a hope in Hades of making it to senior level. And he has many detractors in rugby league - he ain't as good as some make out, although his ego would tell you otherwise. Think Des Headland or Nick Davis to rugby league. This is an exercise in PR for one K. Hunt - no-one else.
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I think he will go okay! He is a ready made half back flanker, has a penetrating kick, good vertical leap, plenty of pace, obviously knows how to tackle but they will need to refine it to AFL standard. He will be a bit one sided at first I'm sure which will be tested when under pressure but above all its a huge marketing coup getting a league player to convert to AFL in a league dominated area and he's only 22 from memory.
We need Cameron to go up to the Bronco's and have a quiet chat to his mate Israel Folau. Now there is a KPP if there ever was one. :pray
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This is massive....Anyone who has played 10 state of origins and 11 Tests for Australia by age 22 is a star.
This is like Deledio quitting the Tigers to play for the Storm next year.
Hard not to be skeptical that its just a more of a public relations exercise....to get more local interest in the Gold Coast team.
The Western Force Rugby team have struggled to be embraced by the WA community and when Ben Cousins future was in the balance at the start of the year they were very interested in him....Thats the first thing I thought of when I heard of Karmicheals defection.
From a membership point of veiw....Great coup On field....wait and see.
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Hunt played junior/school footy with Scott Harding apparently so he's played Aussie rules at least before. Can he kick and handpass and does he have 360 degree awareness will be the main issue coming from a sport that involves mainly throwing and frontal tackling. Scott Clayton just said on the radio Hunt has a secret kicking session with him and Buckley and that made Clayton say yes this is possible. Hunt prefers watching American sports and AFL. He apparently only played NRL because he was good at it so it wasn't that hard to poach him. The NRL are having fits lol. Imagine if we poached Inglis or Slater. They'd be superstars if they played Aussie rules.
Hunt is 187cm and 96kg so not a common AFL body size. Scott Clayton trying find another Mitch Hahn like he did at the doggies.
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Interesting to see what happens when Gold Coast play Carlton.
He and Fev aint best of friends ;)
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Interesting to see what happens when Gold Coast play Carlton.
He and Fev aint best of friends ;)
Let us not put the cart before the horse!
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His salary in the NRL was $400k per year as one of the highest paid athletes in the sport
That's just over the average salary of a senior AFL player, the best are in the $750-800k+ mark
Given the concessions the Gold Coast have, not only will it be a big drawcard for their fans, but for him personally there is a very big carrot dangling in front of him if he's any good
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Great publicity for GC17
Will he make it? Doubtful, very doubtful.
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Great publicity for GC17
Will he make it? Doubtful, very doubtful.
It's huge news. And Willy P, I reckon you may have said the same thing when steynes and keneally made the move from Ireland. If he works hard enough, look out!
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Great publicity for GC17
Will he make it? Doubtful, very doubtful.
It's huge news. And Willy P, I reckon you may have said the same thing when steynes and keneally made the move from Ireland. If he works hard enough, look out!
:lol :lol
I wasn't that interested in the Irish blokes when they came out when I was young(er) so I and didn't really have an opinion
I watch alot of NRL and although he will be good in the air, I am not sure how he will adapt to the other parts of AFL.
I actually joked at dinner tonight that i don't know why people are talking about his ability to tackle as I rarely see him tackle in the NRL and when he is about to be tackle, he heads straight to ground :rollin
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Very brave move for Hunt and a smart one I think. He'll be an Aussie sporting legend if he becomes an AFL star.
I say smart move, because although the Melbourne media will paint this as AFL poaching one of the NRL's best, he hasn't really fulfilled his early promise. He's a solid player. Billy Slater and him vie for the QLD fullback slot and Hunt is more versatile and consistent but just doesn't have the brilliance. At QLD level you could say he is a picked as a utility player and for the Australian team he is nowhere near the player that Slater or Stewart are and picked in the past again for his versatility and the fact that Australia generally have enough flashy creative players and need solid defensive players to beat their opponents.
Think Daniel Wells in the sense that he came on the scene and built a big reputation but hasn't kicked on in the last 3 years.
As far as making it goes, I wouldn't be so quick to rule him out as some. He'll have the basic skills, is a good athlete and will probably have it all over AFL players in terms of body strength, tackling ability and possibly even some ground skills given that in rugby league you cannot fumble a ball on the ground. The things that will hold him back is endurance and things like being able to handball both sides, being able to raise his arms and handball out of trouble, overhead marking, spoiling and other footy smarts like not diving on the ball.
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PS if I was coaching Karmichael Hunt I'd be sending him videos of players like Chris Johnson, Daniel Chick, hard running, nuggety half backs. He's a bit taller than Johnson, but Hunt will play a bit shorter in height I would think until his leap and overhead mark improve. I think for a good while he'll need to play back pocket, half back where the play is all in front of him.
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A nice way to get around the salary cap big time if it pays off.
KARMICHAEL Hunt's estimated $1 million annual package will be exempt from the AFL salary cap, but he will not be the Gold Coast Football Club's marquee signing.
In a move that will send shudders through the NRL, the Gold Coast Football Club activated a little known 10-year-old rule which allowed them to poach one of rugby league's biggest stars without needing to fit his contract under the salary cap.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/sport/afl/story/0,27046,25855108-5016169,00.html
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He hasn't got a hope in Hades of making it to senior level. And he has many detractors in rugby league - he ain't as good as some make out, although his ego would tell you otherwise. Think Des Headland or Nick Davis to rugby league. This is an exercise in PR for one K. Hunt - no-one else.
Yeah I agree. More exciting if it was someone like Falau or Billy Slater.
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I think it will be a mistake to overrate the tackling effect. Sure, he might have a solid technique that he can use to his advantage at times but generally the tackling in league is different to the tackling in AFL. In AFL you try to pin 1 arm or 2 arms to prevent ball movement or failing that you try to knock the ball free - your arms are the primary weapon. In league the primary focus is to prevent the ball carrier's forward movement and then pin the ball as the secondary action (or rely on the secondary tackler who should be following right by your side to assist) - your legs and shoulders are the primary weapons. Interference with the ball itself in the tackle is against the rules. And in league the tackle is almost always set from a front on position allowing the tackler some time to aim and set the tackle. It's a whole different skill set that only has some relevance to our code.
And as for learning all the skills and nuances of our game to a senior level standard at the age of 22? Nope - can't be done, even if he had some grounding as a junior.
And comparing him with the Irish recruits is flawed - the Irish already play a much more similar game and start learning ours from 17-18 years of age - 4 to 5 crucial years of age difference.
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Andy Goodwin's son turned us down to play NRL. Currently is in the Storm's U18 side.
League invades AFL turf
Peter Kogoy | July 30, 2009
Brentnall says Tom Goodwin, a rising star in the Storm's under-18 team, typifies the changing football landscape.
"His father Andy was born in England where he played both union and soccer until he was 18, came to Australia and went on to play for both Richmond and Melbourne in the AFL," Brentnall said.
"Young Tom's dad learned the game at Box Hill before he was picked up by the Tigers and retired from the code at age 39 after spells with Devonport and Frankston."
Brentnall says Goodwin junior could have played AFL, but he spurned overtures to play for Richmond under the father-son rule, to play rugby league.
"The Goodwin case is being replicated in our junior Victorian sides as more kids with a rules background swap codes."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25854814-5012431,00.html
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Lets face it, any Aussie Rules player worth his salt would not convert to league. I have played both codes competitively and enjoy supporting both, but I have to say there is no doubt far less skill is required to play league. As a junior I played Aussie Rules and then when I moved to NSW I played league at school with some degree of success. A friend of mine played League all his life and was very good at it, then in seniors he switch back with me to play Aussie rules and he couldn't cut it. In his words he said the pace of the game was crazy and he was always finding himself out of position as he couldn't quite grasp the fact that your opposition can come from anywhere and is not all lined up in front of you.
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he was always finding himself out of position as he couldn't quite grasp the fact that your opposition can come from anywhere and is not all lined up in front of you.
That's the hardest part for anyone converting from another footy code. Aussie Rules is the most free form football code given there's no offside. You can legally be anywhere on the ground and you need excellent awareness otherwise you'll get cleaned up before you know it.
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Karmichael Hunt exposes loophole in AFL rules
Greg Denham | July 31, 2009
As an AFL rookie-listed player, the only financial stipulation is that a minimum wage of $35,000 must be paid, but there is no maximum, and that amount is not included in a club's salary cap.
So in Hunt's case, the Gold Coast will be able to seriously front-end his contract next year while he is a rookie -- taking advantage of the "no maximum" clause -- before severely reducing his remuneration once he is put on the primary list for the remaining two years of his contract.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25858969-5013406,00.html
Inglis comes out of contract in 2012 out of interest....
Storm star Inglis yesterday refused to rule out following Hunt to the AFL and said: To be honest, I wouldnt mind having a crack, I played a few games when I was in high school but that was about it,
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/inglis-shows-afl-interest/2009/07/30/1248546822354.html
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Lets face it, any Aussie Rules player worth his salt would not convert to league. I have played both codes competitively and enjoy supporting both, but I have to say there is no doubt far less skill is required to play league.
Would agree, apart from the rugby halfback and five-eighth who do 90% of the creative process and as a result I think are just as if not more skillful on average than AFL players and also are generally strong characters as the team is always looking to them. Hunt was a 5/8 growing up until Lockyer switched there I think. He has a lot going for him.
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Lets face it, any Aussie Rules player worth his salt would not convert to league. I have played both codes competitively and enjoy supporting both, but I have to say there is no doubt far less skill is required to play league.
Would agree, apart from the rugby halfback and five-eighth who do 90% of the creative process and as a result I think are just as if not more skillful on average than AFL players and also are generally strong characters as the team is always looking to them. Hunt was a 5/8 growing up until Lockyer switched there I think. He has a lot going for him.
Given the heavy emphasis on foot disposal at the elite level, there's only a handful of league players I have ever thought could make the conversion to AFL easily.
Andrew Johns would have been excellent at the sport I reckon.
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Lets face it, any Aussie Rules player worth his salt would not convert to league. I have played both codes competitively and enjoy supporting both, but I have to say there is no doubt far less skill is required to play league.
Would agree, apart from the rugby halfback and five-eighth who do 90% of the creative process and as a result I think are just as if not more skillful on average than AFL players and also are generally strong characters as the team is always looking to them. Hunt was a 5/8 growing up until Lockyer switched there I think. He has a lot going for him.
Given the heavy emphasis on foot disposal at the elite level, there's only a handful of league players I have ever thought could make the conversion to AFL easily.
Andrew Johns would have been excellent at the sport I reckon.
True, but Johnsy may failed a few urine tests as well!
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Given the heavy emphasis on foot disposal at the elite level, there's only a handful of league players I have ever thought could make the conversion to AFL easily.
Andrew Johns would have been excellent at the sport I reckon.
Johns is probably the most clever footballer I have seen in any of the oval-balled varieties.
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Hopefully he is only mucking around with this kick
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/hunt-in-another-switch-to-halfback/story-e6frexni-1225756318856
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Jamie Soward from the Mighty Dragons is currently without doubt one of the biggest and best kicks in league. He is also one of the fastest. I'm talking Deledio or Nahas fast. In all honesty I think he would be better than Inglis at adapting to AFL. He would be a ripper on the wing or a Half forward flank. He also kicks really well on the run and in pressure situations.
Watch a few Dragons games and you will see. I watch all of them being a Dragons supporter but I am not biased when saying this. He will be the next Andrew Johns.
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Jamie Soward from the Mighty Dragons is currently without doubt one of the biggest and best kicks in league. He is also one of the fastest. I'm talking Deledio or Nahas fast. In all honesty I think he would be better than Inglis at adapting to AFL. He would be a ripper on the wing or a Half forward flank. He also kicks really well on the run and in pressure situations.
Watch a few Dragons games and you will see. I watch all of them being a Dragons supporter but I am not biased when saying this. He will be the next Andrew Johns.
Not a bad kicking action
(http://www.foxsports.com.au/common/imagedata/0,5001,6581086,00.jpg)
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It happened on the weekend so it isn't new news any more, but couldn't find a relevant thread to chuck this in. I thought it was a really good interview, and as a kid that moved to QLD in the 80s and being teased for no reason other than liking Aussie Rules, it strikes a close chord to see the game grown like it has in 25 years.
Eat poo thugby. Bunch of bum sniffing packers.
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/427465
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Lawl Dwaino's on fire! :rollin
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KARMICHAEL HUNT's AFL career is over.
After five seasons with the Suns including their VFL year - 27-year-old Hunt told his teammates on Thursday morning he would not be continuing at the club.
It is believed he is returning to rugby - union, however, not league - to link with the Queensland Reds.
The former rugby league international shocked the football world in 2009 when he announced his dramatic code switch to join the fledgling Suns.
He played 44 games, and alongside skipper Gary Ablett was the face of the code for the AFL's 17th club.
A string of injuries including a broken toe, staph infection and concussion has restricted him to just one senior game this season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-28/hunt-calls-end-to-afl-career
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Surprised they didn't mention that match winning goal against us as the highlight of his career
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how much was he paid?
they neglect that aspect of the experiment and pass it off as a stroke of genius
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Surprised they didn't mention that match winning goal against us as the highlight of his career
I remember calling him a harmichael after that! >:(
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Massive win for me, created plenty of interest and was a serviceable player.
Took the spotlight at a time when the other focus would have been how poo they were playing.
Remember the cash was for marketing, not footy salary - he got the same as everyone else for that, and when you spend plenty of time on the Gold Coast as I do, you know that he was a massive winner in that regard, got paid a fraction of what he earned.
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how much was he paid?
A few million so he's done well out of it.
Agree with TBR. The AFL only got Hunt to code swap for the publicity it would generate up in the NRL states while the Suns were building and developing their young squad. Now that the Suns are competitive (and winning when Ablett is playing) and they're getting decent home crowds up at Metricon (greater than the Titans), they no longer need him. So it's been a win-win.