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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 29, 2009, 06:51:08 PM
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I know it's early to start talking about trades but Greg Denham in the Australian has the Swans loaded up with $$$ and salary cap space and showing interest in Lake, Seaby and the Hawks' Josh Kennedy.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25849819-5012432,00.html
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It won't be long until ;)s are being posted every hour.
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The meat market is about to open
Jon Ralph | August 15, 2009
IT ALL revolves around a top-10 draft pick Hawthorn never saw coming. Just 10 months on from the club's surprise premiership, it suddenly finds itself with a potential No. 7 draft pick based on its ladder position after Round 19.
The AFL is still eight weeks out from the trade period, and at a stage when we are pondering finals permutations and weighing up premiership contenders.
But struggling clubs - and their increasingly savvy supporters - now look to new opportunities the instant their finals chances become strictly mathematical.
Hawthorn is aware of its key deficiencies and how it might solve them.
Even in the unlikely event it surges into eighth spot, the seed has been planted in the match committee's mind.
Fremantle ruckman Aaron Sandilands is firmly in Hawthorn's sights and as much as the club may subsequently deny it, that No. 7 draft pick could eventually be laid on the negotiating table.
It might take a package involving the pick and a quality player, but the club knows Simon Taylor and Brent Renouf are not the answer to its rucking woes.
Across the AFL, a raft of potential trade targets are already being bandied about, with Barry Hall, Mark Seaby, Luke Ball, Brian Lake, Jordan McMahon and Sandilands among them.
Adding to the intrigue is a swirling mix of ingredients that player managers hope might become a perfect storm.
Some clubs lacking first-class youngsters will be desperate for first-round draft picks in the last uncompromised draft, and will dish off established players to gain those selections.
And those already with a solid bunch of kids will be prepared to sacrifice their selections and grab established players in the process.
Player manager Liam Pickering, whose IMG stable manages Gary Ablett and Lance Franklin, is optimistic the market could be white-hot this year.
"The discussion usually increases during finals, but I think it's a trade market, personally," Pickering said.
"I think you will find there will be more trades this year than in the last couple of years. The draft is not as strong and there are a lot of 17-year-old kids who are not eligible."
The industry is also holding its breath as it considers the AFL Players' Association's push for free agency, aware it cannot continue to restrain trade.
Last year there were only six trades in the five-day window, in stark contrast to the 19 assistant coaches who swapped clubs.
"When there are more assistant coaches than players who swap clubs, you know the market is pretty skinny," Pickering said.
"Everyone is keeping an eye tracking player movements, and if we have another year of less than 10 trades, the evidence is telling you there isn't enough movement of players."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25930454-19742,00.html
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Herald-Sun saying 5 clubs are interested in Brian Lake. The Swans are rumouredly offering $2.5m over 5 years as they are loaded up with $$$ this year given all their retirements (a savings of $2m).
Swans are also interested in Luke Ball.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25958896-19742,00.html
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/swans-cashed-up-after-exits/2009/08/20/1250362165242.html
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Herald-Sun saying 5 clubs are interested in Brian Lake. The Swans are rumouredly offering $2.5m over 5 years as they are loaded up with $$$ this year given all their retirements (a savings of $2m).
Swans are also interested in Luke Ball.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25958896-19742,00.html
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/swans-cashed-up-after-exits/2009/08/20/1250362165242.html
Seems a little strange that the swans would be interested in ball after trading schnieder!
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Why? Ball is a very different player to Schneider
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It won't be long until ;)s are being posted every hour.
The worst part of the footy year
I'll be going on holiday from here while every one ;) and ;) all over the place and then everyone is wrong in the end lol
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Out of interest does anyone know where Lids is up to with contract signing.
I was on BB and there was quiet a bit of discussion about Lids and there was general consensus about how good he was and could become and that they would be willing (the supporters that is) to give their first two picks up (prob 10 and 26) or first round pick and a player to get him in the red and black.
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It won't be long until ;)s are being posted every hour.
The worst part of the footy year
I'll be going on holiday from here while every one ;) and ;) all over the place and then everyone is wrong in the end lol
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
:pray :clapping
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It won't be long until ;)s are being posted every hour.
The worst part of the footy year
I'll be going on holiday from here while every one ;) and ;) all over the place and then everyone is wrong in the end lol
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
:pray :clapping
Then again, I might just hang around just to annoy some lol
:rollin
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Why? Ball is a very different player to Schneider
I don't reckon Saints will let Ball go but he would be a decent pickup for a club looking for an inside mid.
Cogs is gone, but for me we'd have to trade someone like Tucky otherwise we'll end up with too many tough inside players with disposal issues.
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Why? Ball is a very different player to Schneider
The swans let schnieder go as they felt they had too many smallish players like jack, bird and buchanan. Schnieder was traded over the others due solely to being injury prone! Cant see swans trading for another small when they have plenty already!
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It won't be long until ;)s are being posted every hour.
The worst part of the footy year
I'll be going on holiday from here while every one ;) and ;) all over the place and then everyone is wrong in the end lol
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
you wont be missed you give nothing of worth anyway ;D
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why dont we grab these good players ... we need it more than the swans
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WP to BF and Foley to stay..... :lol :rollin :thumbsup
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SEN saying Port will put Kane Cornes on the trade table. They also mentioned Danyle Pearce and Justin Westhoff. On Adelaide radio this morning there was a fourth player named - Brett Ebert.
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SEN saying Port will put Kane Cornes on the trade table. They also mentioned Danyle Pearce and Justin Westhoff. On Adelaide radio this morning there was a fourth player named - Brett Ebert.
wow, i was sure the Cornes family owned port adelaide...
interesting trade bate thrown up if that is all true, quiet intelligent. Each one would carry significant trade value and yet none of them are real game breakers or superstars (Kane is fair alright though). In the last decent draft in a while its a good idea to throw these soughts of guys on the table.
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SEN saying Port will put Kane Cornes on the trade table. They also mentioned Danyle Pearce and Justin Westhoff. On Adelaide radio this morning there was a fourth player named - Brett Ebert.
would never happen, the cornes are like the Kennedys down at PA, I hope for their sake the curse doesnt strike :o
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Graham Cornes hates Port Adelaide (played with and coached Glenelg to two flags IIRC) but both boys listened to mum instead lol.
I can't see Kane Cornes or Ebert leaving. It could be another Laidley/McIntosh scenario where certain players are named to try and wake up the rest of the group. SEN had someone from Port on tonight and although he didn't say the whole 4 were safe he said at least couple of them won't be moving as they are contracted (not that that stops a club). It could be all a bluff but if not it might be a sign there'll be a number of trades in a month's time to try and counter the compromised draft.
For our sake we don't want too many name players on the trade table as they would lower the trade value of some of the Tigers we plan to trade such as Raines.
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I will say it again, with all the talk on this forum about re-building and not getting older players to the club, every player in this thread mentioned on the trade table is too old to be part of the re-building phase.
Now let's waith for the consistant peoples reply ::)
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First-round draft choice Marcus Drum will not play for Fremantle again. Drum, the No. 10 selection in the 2005 national draft, is keen to be traded during next month's official exchange period.
The Dockers have yet to announce their de-listings, but Andrew Browne, Daniel Gilmore and Josh Head will not be offered new contracts, while forwards Adam Campbell and Ryan Murphy and midfielder Brett Peake are expected to explore opportunities elsewhere. Paul Hasleby's future remains undecided.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/5908066/trade-option-last-drum-roll-at-dockers/
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Brent Staker has told the Eagles he wants to be traded.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84124/default.aspx
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Brent Staker has told the Eagles he wants to be traded.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84124/default.aspx
His never been the same since Hally hooked him ;D
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Brent Staker has told the Eagles he wants to be traded.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84124/default.aspx
His never been the same since Hally hooked him ;D
Reminds me of Sumich after Southern choked him. He never really came back after that, I suppose it takes the fun out of it and it stops becoming a game. Shane Wakelin said on SEN that he kept one eye on Barry all the time when he played him after Barry came back from clocking Staker. I know I would.
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Shane Wakelin said on SEN that he kept one eye on Barry all the time when he played him after Barry came back from clocking Staker. I know I would.
Shane Wakelin was a squib of the highest order who faked a hit from Hall and then went public complaining about it. P-weak.
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Hall was prone to brain fades on the footy field though so you can't blame him for being squeamish. He was a Wakelin sister after all. :lol
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First-round draft choice Marcus Drum will not play for Fremantle again. Drum, the No. 10 selection in the 2005 national draft, is keen to be traded during next month's official exchange period.
The Dockers have yet to announce their de-listings, but Andrew Browne, Daniel Gilmore and Josh Head will not be offered new contracts, while forwards Adam Campbell and Ryan Murphy and midfielder Brett Peake are expected to explore opportunities elsewhere. Paul Hasleby's future remains undecided.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/5908066/trade-option-last-drum-roll-at-dockers/
Peake for Pettifer, actually Polo&Pettifer could go for Peake, I think he has a lot to offer.... Peake that is.
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First-round draft choice Marcus Drum will not play for Fremantle again. Drum, the No. 10 selection in the 2005 national draft, is keen to be traded during next month's official exchange period.
The Dockers have yet to announce their de-listings, but Andrew Browne, Daniel Gilmore and Josh Head will not be offered new contracts, while forwards Adam Campbell and Ryan Murphy and midfielder Brett Peake are expected to explore opportunities elsewhere. Paul Hasleby's future remains undecided.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/5908066/trade-option-last-drum-roll-at-dockers/
Peake for Pettifer, actually Polo&Pettifer could go for Peake, I think he has a lot to offer.... Peake that is.
I know Freo challenge us for the dumbest trades and recruiting but I don't think even they would be that dumb ;D.
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First-round draft choice Marcus Drum will not play for Fremantle again. Drum, the No. 10 selection in the 2005 national draft, is keen to be traded during next month's official exchange period.
The Dockers have yet to announce their de-listings, but Andrew Browne, Daniel Gilmore and Josh Head will not be offered new contracts, while forwards Adam Campbell and Ryan Murphy and midfielder Brett Peake are expected to explore opportunities elsewhere. Paul Hasleby's future remains undecided.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/5908066/trade-option-last-drum-roll-at-dockers/
Peake for Pettifer, actually Polo&Pettifer could go for Peake, I think he has a lot to offer.... Peake that is.
I know Freo challenge us for the dumbest trades and recruiting but I don't think even they would be that dumb ;D.
You never know OE You never know.... :thumbsup
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I'm not a Peake fan to be honest - don't think he would bring enough to the table to be worth trading Polo for - Pettifer on the other hand........................
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First-round draft choice Marcus Drum will not play for Fremantle again. Drum, the No. 10 selection in the 2005 national draft, is keen to be traded during next month's official exchange period.
The Dockers have yet to announce their de-listings, but Andrew Browne, Daniel Gilmore and Josh Head will not be offered new contracts, while forwards Adam Campbell and Ryan Murphy and midfielder Brett Peake are expected to explore opportunities elsewhere. Paul Hasleby's future remains undecided.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/5908066/trade-option-last-drum-roll-at-dockers/
how about a 3 way trade between Drum,raines and draft picks across freo, lions and tigers?
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Peake is another Andrew Walker - can run fast but that's it. No thanks, even if it was trading for one of our duds, rather take the punt on a kid in the draft.
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First-round draft choice Marcus Drum will not play for Fremantle again. Drum, the No. 10 selection in the 2005 national draft, is keen to be traded during next month's official exchange period.
The Dockers have yet to announce their de-listings, but Andrew Browne, Daniel Gilmore and Josh Head will not be offered new contracts, while forwards Adam Campbell and Ryan Murphy and midfielder Brett Peake are expected to explore opportunities elsewhere. Paul Hasleby's future remains undecided.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/5908066/trade-option-last-drum-roll-at-dockers/
Peake for Pettifer, actually Polo&Pettifer could go for Peake, I think he has a lot to offer.... Peake that is.
you and this fascination with players from WA
Seaby
Tarrant
Peake
anyone else you want to throw in the mix. how about Luke mcPharlin???
get over this crap of bringing rejects to our club.
thats exactly the type of bull poo that has brought our club undone.
offload for draft picks yes but offload players for rejects. NO THANKS!!!
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The West Australian is reporting Bradd Dalziell is homesick and wants to return to WA although this is disputed by a Lions fan on BF.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/5908070/staker-wants-to-quit-eagles/
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15611239&postcount=293
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Swans rumouredly willing to offer Seaby $1m over 3 years
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,26030619-5005401,00.html
At least four Melbourne-based clubs are also keen for discussions with Seaby before next month's crucial trade week.
West Coast is likely to demand at least a second-round draft pick in return for Seaby, or an attractive combination package Spangher, Staker or Nicoski for an appealing first-round choice.
If a trade deal could not be struck between a club and West Coast for Seaby, he could enter the national draft in late November or the pre-season selection process in mid-December.
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Swans rumouredly willing to offer Seaby $1m over 3 years
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,26030619-5005401,00.html
At least four Melbourne-based clubs are also keen for discussions with Seaby before next month's crucial trade week.
West Coast is likely to demand at least a second-round draft pick in return for Seaby, or an attractive combination package Spangher, Staker or Nicoski for an appealing first-round choice.
If a trade deal could not be struck between a club and West Coast for Seaby, he could enter the national draft in late November or the pre-season selection process in mid-December.
For God's sake Richmond, steer clear of this dud, do not give him even a glancing thought.
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For God's sake Richmond, steer clear of this dud, do not give him even a glancing thought.
Ditto. Surely we've learnt from our last $1m for 3 years mistake :o.
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For God's sake Richmond, steer clear of this dud, do not give him even a glancing thought.
Ditto. Surely we've learnt from our last $1m for 3 years mistake :o.
this is an astonishing rate for a fella thats barely played 10 games in 2 seasons...amazing :o
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For God's sake Richmond, steer clear of this dud, do not give him even a glancing thought.
Ditto. Surely we've learnt from our last $1m for 3 years mistake :o.
this is an astonishing rate for a fella thats barely played 10 games in 2 seasons...amazing :o
Well, we gave Jordon McMahon a 3 year contract at $330,000 a year after playing 8 games the previous year with the dogs :banghead
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For God's sake Richmond, steer clear of this dud, do not give him even a glancing thought.
Ditto. Surely we've learnt from our last $1m for 3 years mistake :o.
this is an astonishing rate for a fella thats barely played 10 games in 2 seasons...amazing :o
Well, we gave Jordon McMahon a 3 year contract at $330,000 a year after playing 8 games the previous year with the dogs :banghead
Miller, Wallace and Jackson. The 3 amigo's must have been on some serious acid when they decided mclovin was their man to take us to greater heights.
I just hope Jackson has learnt his lessons because from where i sit he is just as bad as the other 2
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I thought Jackson was quite upset because he wanted Selwood with that pick.
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I thought Jackson was quite upset because he wanted Selwood with that pick.
Correct-o. Jackson very much wanted Selwood but Terry and Greg, in their wisdom decision Jackson couldn't be able to use that pick because they wanted McMahon and duly threw pick 19 away. :banghead
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I thought Jackson was quite upset because he wanted Selwood with that pick.
Correct-o. Jackson very much wanted Selwood but Terry and Greg, in their wisdom decision Jackson couldn't be able to use that pick because they wanted McMahon and duly threw pick 19 away. :banghead
But isn't Jackson the one some want to sack because he is to blame for every poor recruiting decision in the past 5 years? ::)
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I thought Jackson was quite upset because he wanted Selwood with that pick.
Correct-o. Jackson very much wanted Selwood but Terry and Greg, in their wisdom decision Jackson couldn't be able to use that pick because they wanted McMahon and duly threw pick 19 away. :banghead
But isn't Jackson the one some want to sack because he is to blame for every poor recruiting decision in the past 5 years? ::)
No it's Jackstar who is to blame not Jackson.
:thumbsup ;)
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Richmond bad decision making all over again l can see coming ;D
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I thought Jackson was quite upset because he wanted Selwood with that pick.
Correct-o. Jackson very much wanted Selwood but Terry and Greg, in their wisdom decision Jackson couldn't be able to use that pick because they wanted McMahon and duly threw pick 19 away. :banghead
But isn't Jackson the one some want to sack because he is to blame for every poor recruiting decision in the past 5 years? ::)
who said every decision???
its not entirely his fault but some of the decisions made since his arrival in 2005 has been nothing short of disgraceful.
Maybe those fools Miller and Wallace had the final say but if he is employed to source talent he has a funny way of showing it.
lets see which duds he picks up this year
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I thought Jackson was quite upset because he wanted Selwood with that pick.
Correct-o. Jackson very much wanted Selwood but Terry and Greg, in their wisdom decision Jackson couldn't be able to use that pick because they wanted McMahon and duly threw pick 19 away. :banghead
But isn't Jackson the one some want to sack because he is to blame for every poor recruiting decision in the past 5 years? ::)
who said every decision???
its not entirely his fault but some of the decisions made since his arrival in 2005 has been nothing short of disgraceful.
Maybe those fools Miller and Wallace had the final say but if he is employed to source talent he has a funny way of showing it.
lets see which duds he picks up this year
where is the talent he sourced ;D
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Hardly his fault when he was doing our recruiting by himself in addition to his other roles at the club
Not sure what results you expect from that kind of resourcing.
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He gets blamed for descisions that were often taken out of hands, not reasnable in my book
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He gets blamed for descisions that were often taken out of hands, not reasnable in my book
Hey Camboon, don't let reasonable get in the road of opinions based on blind ignorant prejudice.
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He gets blamed for descisions that were often taken out of hands, not reasnable in my book
Hey Camboon, don't let reasonable get in the road of opinions based on blind ignorant prejudice.
He gets blamed for descisions that were often taken out of hands, not reasnable in my book
Hey Camboon, don't let reasonable get in the road of opinions based on blind ignorant prejudice.
What makes you guys such an expert on the role of Francis Jackson?
He played a role in the key drafts of 2005 and 2006 whether you like to believe it or not.
if he wasn't involved or had recruiting duties taken away from him, then why the stuff is he on our payroll.
I understand Miller and Wallace had most say, but we look like even more fools if our head recruiter has no say in the end on who we recruit to the club. :banghead
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its not entirely his fault but some of the decisions made since his arrival in 2005 has been nothing short of disgraceful.
He hasn't been there since 2005.... ;D
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its not entirely his fault but some of the decisions made since his arrival in 2005 has been nothing short of disgraceful.
He hasn't been there since 2005.... ;D
part time in 2005, Full Time in 2006.
im sure i read that.
correct me if im wrong by all means
i dont think he hs done anything special. You look at other clubs and how they find guns in 3rd and 4th rounders.
He has been in the system for 4/5 years now and has yet to deliver us a 3rd or 4th rounder that is yet to show serious potential, apart from Collins, Post that may come on in a few years or even next year.
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its not entirely his fault but some of the decisions made since his arrival in 2005 has been nothing short of disgraceful.
He hasn't been there since 2005.... ;D
He has been in the system for 4/5 years now and has yet to deliver us a 3rd or 4th rounder that is yet to show serious potential, apart from Collins, Post that may come on in a few years or even next year.
Its a bit soon 2 be writing off Connors.
And Post 2nd round, not 3rd.
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I like Jack, Edwards could be (shut up Daniel), Connors maybe, Collins showed something, Cotchin gun (easy), Rance shows something (Daaaniel, I warned you), Putt jury out, Vickery, Post something to work with.
I love the fact that Jack, Vickers and Posty all look like natural footballers. Keep it coming Jacko.
All up, I'd say that the development of these players, physically and team wise is way off. While that is partly the responsibility of the players - as 20 yo men - they need to be guided, developed and pushed by the coaching, strength and conditioning team.
And that group are world's worst.
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Big draft coming up.
Needs 2 key forwards + 195cm
Needs 1 ruck
Needs 1 key defender +195cm
Needs 2 midfielders + 184cm and about 80ks. No midgets, No rakes. Above all 1 has to have heaps of class
Needs 3 goal kicking flankers.
You can never have enough blokes who can kick goals. So thats hopefully 9 teenagers coming onto the list
another 3 or 4 State League players to round out about 13 or 14 changes to the list.
Needs to find some class players this year does FJ or we are knackered.
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has yet to deliver us a 3rd or 4th rounder that is yet to show serious potential, apart from Collins, Post that may come on in a few years or even next year.
So he's yet to deliver a 3rd or 4th rounder with serious potential except for the ones he has?
Pretty hard when they are the picks that have been traded away on him, hardly his fault there
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Pies want Lloyd if Essendon force him out.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,26046647-19742,00.html
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Josh Gibson has walked out on North. He's out of contract and wants to go to Hawthorn who have offered him a 3 year deal.
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Josh Gibson has walked out on North. He's out of contract and wants to go to Hawthorn who have offered him a 3 year deal.
North should force him into the PSD and to Melbourne then we can concentrate on getting a big name via the PSD
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He certainly played the end of the season like someone who was wanting out.
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Whispers on 3aw says:
Gibson has signed a heads of agreement with Hawthorn. $1m over 3 years.
Swans want Lovett
Dyson wants out
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I thought Jackson was quite upset because he wanted Selwood with that pick.
Correct-o. Jackson very much wanted Selwood but Terry and Greg, in their wisdom decision Jackson couldn't be able to use that pick because they wanted McMahon and duly threw pick 19 away. :banghead
But isn't Jackson the one some want to sack because he is to blame for every poor recruiting decision in the past 5 years? ::)
who said every decision???
its not entirely his fault but some of the decisions made since his arrival in 2005 has been nothing short of disgraceful.
Maybe those fools Miller and Wallace had the final say but if he is employed to source talent he has a funny way of showing it.
lets see which duds he picks up this year
giddy up.
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Gibson is a pretty boy wannabee who thinks he is better than what he is.
Loser.
Hows the Hawks form?
stuffin idiots running scared because they didnt make the finals now they are trying to buy their way back in.
Hope their season starts and finishes like this one has for them.
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Hawks will be back bigger and better next year so don't kid yourself, Gibson at only 25 years old would slot very well into their side as he would into ours!!
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Hawks will be back bigger and better next year so don't kid yourself, Gibson at only 25 years old would slot very well into their side as he would into ours!!
keep dreaming about players from other clubs.
26 by the time the season starts. No worries what a great fit he is.
Id prefer to create and spend money to develop rather than recruit hacks and rejects. Gibson is one of those. Karma will bite him as it did one N.Brown
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Whispers on 3aw says:
Gibson has signed a heads of agreement with Hawthorn. $1m over 3 years.
Swans want Lovett
Dyson wants out
whos dyson, the battler from ESS ???
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keep dreaming about players from other clubs.
26 by the time the season starts. No worries what a great fit he is.
Id prefer to create and spend money to develop rather than recruit hacks and rejects. Gibson is one of those. Karma will bite him as it did one N.Brown
I'm not sure if Gibson is quite a hack but you have hit the nail on the head. Spend more and more money on the footy department. Keep drafting Kids Kids Kids. :thumbsup
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Greg Denham in today's Australian
ESSENDON midfielder Andrew Lovett wants a fresh start at another club one year after he went tantalisingly close to resurrecting his career with Geelong.
Lovett is out of contract at Windy Hill and is understood to be keen to be traded, with West Coast, Sydney, Hawthorn and Fremantle showing interest.
Lovett, 27, wants a three-year contract elsewhere after playing in 22 of the Bombers' 23 games in 2009.
Ruckman Mark Seaby is certain to join Sydney, but so far specific details between the Eagles and the Swans have not been worked out.
Other Eagles players who are looking at options elsewhere include Mark Nicoski and Matt Spangher. The out-of-contract pair are managed by Colin Young.
It is understood several clubs, including St Kilda, have sounded out Spanger's management about a move.
On Nicoski's future, Nisbett said: "It depends on what offers we get and what he wants to do."
Full article:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26050776-2722,00.html
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Whispers on 3aw says:
Gibson has signed a heads of agreement with Hawthorn. $1m over 3 years.
Swans want Lovett
Dyson wants out
whos dyson, the battler from ESS ???
He's the only Dyson I can think of.
I'd rather the vaccuum cleaner of the same name on my list than him.
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could we not have shown some balls and asked for a 2nd rounder and stuck to it till trade week.
I mean who does trade deals a month before trade week.
stuff that is pathetic i reckon from the club.
raines is crap we all know that but they DONT think so why wouldn't we play games with them in order to get a higher pick.
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Denham on SEN says that St. Kilda is still interested in McMahon and will talk to him after the finals. :pray
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Denham on SEN says that St. Kilda is still interested in McMahon and will talk to him after the finals. :pray
Could the football gods be this kind. Surely not! We havent had this much luck in a long time, if the Saints take McMahon for a 2nd rounder- considering we coughed up a pick inside 20 and there 2nd round will be mid 30s- then it would be a fantastic bonus.
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Denham on SEN says that St. Kilda is still interested in McMahon and will talk to him after the finals. :pray
Could the football gods be this kind. Surely not! We havent had this much luck in a long time, if the Saints take McMahon for a 2nd rounder- considering we coughed up a pick inside 20 and there 2nd round will be mid 30s- then it would be a fantastic bonus.
I know we've been burned trading player for player before but have a crack at Jarryn Geary?
Otherwise no other Sainter appeals to me and we should go for a pick.
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Denham on SEN says that St. Kilda is still interested in McMahon and will talk to him after the finals. :pray
Could the football gods be this kind. Surely not! We havent had this much luck in a long time, if the Saints take McMahon for a 2nd rounder- considering we coughed up a pick inside 20 and there 2nd round will be mid 30s- then it would be a fantastic bonus.
Their 2nd rounder will be very late. Seeing as we'll probably have to pay some of his wage, it'd be fair.
*sigh* trade pick 19 in a strong draft for this dud, then get pick 30 odd in a weak draft.... I hope these trading/drafting mistakes are over.
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Carlton will also facilitate a trade for forward Brad Fisher, 25, who has another year of his contract to run at Princes Park.
The Blues are prepared to pay part of his 2010 remuneration to give him a better opportunity of playing regular senior football elsewhere.
St Kilda has already expressed interest in recruiting Fisher, with some interest also from Port Adelaide.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26055343-5013406,00.html
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Shaun Burgoyne to walk out on Port Adelaide for fresh start with Victorian club
While his imminent uncontracted status has attracted interest from Sydney, it is understood Burgoyne, subject to a medical clearance, intends to move to a Melbourne-based club where he has a familiarity with some of the players or staff.
Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson was an assistant coach at Port Adelaide in the club's premiership year of 2004, as was Melbourne coach Dean Bailey. New Richmond coach Damien Hardwick played alongside Burgoyne in that team.
Full report here:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26055557-5013406,00.html
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Carlton will also facilitate a trade for forward Brad Fisher, 25, who has another year of his contract to run at Princes Park.
The Blues are prepared to pay part of his 2010 remuneration to give him a better opportunity of playing regular senior football elsewhere.
St Kilda has already expressed interest in recruiting Fisher, with some interest also from Port Adelaide.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26055343-5013406,00.html
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Shaun Burgoyne to walk out on Port Adelaide for fresh start with Victorian club
While his imminent uncontracted status has attracted interest from Sydney, it is understood Burgoyne, subject to a medical clearance, intends to move to a Melbourne-based club where he has a familiarity with some of the players or staff.
Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson was an assistant coach at Port Adelaide in the club's premiership year of 2004, as was Melbourne coach Dean Bailey. New Richmond coach Damien Hardwick played alongside Burgoyne in that team.
Full report here:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26055557-5013406,00.html
"'IF"" Shaun Burgoyne was available, would give up early pick for him.
Absolute GUN player
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Why? He's 26. PSD or nothing.
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The concern over Burgoyne is injury. If he's able to get right then yep as Jack said he is a gun. However at 26 he's too old for us as he'll be around 30 before we ever see finals again. The problem for us is if Burgoyne is on the open market then in comparison Tuck's trade value pales into significance :P. The only thing Tucky has on Burgoyne is like his dad his body is resilient and he doesn't miss games due to injury. Off the top of my head Tucky played every game under Plough and then Rawlings until infamously dropped.
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Denham on SEN says that St. Kilda is still interested in McMahon and will talk to him after the finals. :pray
Could the football gods be this kind. Surely not! We havent had this much luck in a long time, if the Saints take McMahon for a 2nd rounder- considering we coughed up a pick inside 20 and there 2nd round will be mid 30s- then it would be a fantastic bonus.
Their 2nd rounder will be very late. Seeing as we'll probably have to pay some of his wage, it'd be fair.
*sigh* trade pick 19 in a strong draft for this dud, then get pick 30 odd in a weak draft.... I hope these trading/drafting mistakes are over.
We wanted Scott Selwood if we hadn't traded that pick but the Dogs would still be doing cartwheels about that trade after gaining Ward for McMahon :P.
If we are offered the Saints 2nd rounder (pick 33) for Jordie then we'll jump at it no doubt.
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Its hard not to get a little bit excited over the prospect of Shaun Burgoyne....Especially when you take into account he is younger than Newman,Tuck and Cogs.
At the end of the day I will trust Hardwicks judgement...being an ex team mate he will Know better than most whether Shaun is a good fit for our club.
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I'll be furious if we trade any picks for a 26 year old, no matter how good they are
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I'll be furious if we trade any picks for a 26 year old, no matter how good they are
Agree.
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Will say this.
Burgoyne at his best is a fantastic player.
When analyzing opposition players, he is "'the "" player thats give you the most headaches.
Stop him, you usually stopped Port. ;)
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Brock McLean and Aaron Davey also out of contract...
Shallow draft pool skews trade week
Greg Denham | September 12, 2009 | The Australian
FOR a variety of reasons the AFL's five-day annual player exchange period next month will not be the ho-hum experience it was last year.
Last year's trade week was a fizzer, with just six players changing teams.
With the league's 17th and 18th licences -- Gold Coast and western Sydney -- set to start up with the country's richest young talent over the next few years, last year's trade period resulted in not one club giving up a first-round national draft choice, something that has never happened before.
In fact, only one club, Carlton, gave up a second-round choice, and that was overall pick No 24 to Fremantle for ruckman Robbie Warnock. Five clubs -- Adelaide, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Melbourne and West Coast -- did nothing.
Less than 12 months on, the promise of excellence in last year's talent pool has been realised, with a majority of the first 35 players selected having proved themselves in their debut season.
The talent ran even deeper into the draft. Pick No 51, Neville Jetta, played 15 pretty good games for Melbourne.
Daniel Kerr, for example, had no hope of being traded out of West Coast because the Eagles demanded two quality first-round picks in return.
Because he was contracted, Kerr was in the wrong place in the wrong year.
Most of the six deals done in 2008 involved bit players -- Warnock, Anthony Corrie, Brent Prismall, Adam Thomson, Rhyce Shaw, and Farren Ray (who could become a premiership player with the Saints in a fortnight). That was the smallest number of deals on record.
It was a far cry from the previous year, when 17 trades involving 20 players were completed, highlighted by Chris Judd, who went from being West Coast's captain to Carlton's on-field leader. He was one of five premiership players to switch clubs.
Trades peaked in 2000, when 33 players switched clubs, and the dwindling number since then has sparked player union calls to hasten the introduction of free agency.
The main reason to expect trading to be more vigorous this year, including more high-calibre trades, is that this year's draft talent pool is shallow, according to recruiting managers.
That is because the draft age has been increased to 18 years. Over the past three years about 35 per cent of players drafted have been 17-year-olds.
Midfielder Tom Scully is the standout teenager this year.
About 12 others are likely to be drafted early, before a sizeable gap to youngsters of lesser ability.
The second tier is likely to include John Butcher, Anthony Morabito, Ben Cunnington, Gary Rohan, Koby Stevens, Jack Trengrove, Luke Tapscott, Dustin Martin, Jessie Chrichton, Kane Lucas, Jake Melksham, and 20-year-old Swan Districts player Lewis Jetta, who has been earmarked by West Coast.
Of the abovementioned, only Butcher is a true key-position player, so clubs needing a key-position player will have to trade or look at mature-age players from other competitions such as the VFL, WAFL and SANFL.
The top 13 or so players in this year's draft are regarded as safe picks, with most of the rest described as speculative.
Clubs that consider themselves in, or about to enter, a premiership window of opportunity over the next four years are less likely to speculate.
Instead, coaches will want to trade ready-made players, especially those with a specific need such as a key-position forward or defender.
That is why the first-round national draft selections of clubs such as Sydney (6), Port Adelaide (8), Hawthorn (9), Carlton (11), and possibly Collingwood and St Kilda, could all be put on the table to strike deals.
Another factor is that a number of clubs are far better placed financially and have room in their salary caps to lure quality players.
The Swans have for a long time tended to trade players for specific needs and they will no doubt do so again this year. Especially considering Sydney will have about $2 million to spare in its cap due to its high-profile player retirements.
Even poverty-stricken Melbourne could take advantage of its recent $1 million windfall from the new AFL agreement with the MCG Trust by boosting its young squad with a quality player from another club.
Cashed-up Hawthorn has a bucket of money to spend on recruiting players to fill certain needs. It has not taken kindly to its fall from grace -- first to ninth in 12 months -- and has feelers out for players.
Port Adelaide's Shaun Burgoyne could be on the move. Melbourne's Aaron Davey remains unsigned and out-of-contract teammate Brock McLean is understood to be tempted to move on.
After several years on a minimal wage, Western Bulldogs full-back Brian Lake is being courted by at least three clubs -- Sydney, Hawthorn and the Demons -- on long-term deals worth up to $500,000 a season.
Expect more high-profile players to come out of the woodwork over the next few weeks.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26060546-5012432,00.html
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I'll be furious if we trade any picks for a 26 year old, no matter how good they are
Agree.
Agree agree
I don't care how much of a gun he is at 26 he shouldn't be in our plans - if what we are currnetly about is "re-building"
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I'll be furious if we trade any picks for a 26 year old, no matter how good they are
Agree.
Agree agree
I don't care how much of a gun he is at 26 he shouldn't be in our plans - if what we are currnetly about is "re-building"
Hopefully Santa isn't the only person coming to Tigerland in December. :shh
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Burgoyne with the PSD or nothing at all. do not want to give away any picks this year.
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Burgoyne with the PSD or nothing at all. do not want to give away any picks this year.
Id give up a fourth round pick but no serious picks.
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I'll be furious if we trade any picks for a 26 year old, no matter how good they are
Agree.
Agree agree
I don't care how much of a gun he is at 26 he shouldn't be in our plans - if what we are currnetly about is "re-building"
Hopefully Santa isn't the only person coming to Tigerland in December. :shh
rudolph and his mates will be coming as well ;D
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Burgoyne with the PSD or nothing at all. do not want to give away any picks this year.
Id give up a fourth round pick but no serious picks.
true. but i think the chance of port accepthing a 4th round pick for him is slim. better to get hardwick to convince burgoyne to come to us through the PSD
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Burgoyne with the PSD or nothing at all. do not want to give away any picks this year.
Mark Williams has form in this area (ie. when Nick Stevens wanted out).
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Peter Rohde is a better operator than that when it comes to list management.
Schulz would have to be a chance to be used as bait - pity Clever has already been chopped as he kicked 7 against em.
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Hughes can still be traded if he wants to get to a particular club
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Sarge and especially Cleve would have zero trade value. We'd be lucky to get a 5th round pick for Sarge now.
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Maturity may be a key in trading, says Nixon
Brent Diamond | September 13, 2009
PLAYER manager Ricky Nixon suggests teams will be jostling for mature bodies in what he expects to be the busiest trade week in which he has been involved.
Because of a perceived shallow talent pool in next month's AFL draft, Nixon believes teams will be swift in trading draft picks for more established players from other teams or even state leagues.
"There will be a lot more trades this year than there's ever been and I'm the most anti-trade bloke of all time. I just think it's been a waste of time over the last 10 years, but this year it might work." Nixon said on radio SEN.
He said there had been interest from ''a number of clubs in the last couple of weeks about trying to get 21 and 22-year-olds into the system a bit more''.
"I think we'll see a lot more players come out of the VFL system which is probably good for football, to be honest,'' he said.
Nixon added: ''If I had a pick in the first 10, I wouldn't trade it and anything outside of 10 I'd get rid of it."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/maturity-may-be-a-key-in-trading-says-nixon/2009/09/12/1252519680441.html
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Ash Hansen may end up on the trade market
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ashley-hansen-may-look-east-if-west-coast-is-toast/story-e6frf9io-1225772200109
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Fremantle is expected to insist on a first-round draft pick for a package of Tarrant and Peake or Dodd.
"We will not be trading our first pick," Dockers chief executive Steve Rosich said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-draft-picks-off-limits/story-e6frf9io-1225772200283
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Snippet in the Herald-Sun in the hardcopy version...
CARLTON has identified West Coast backman Matt Spangher as a likely target in next month's trade period. The athletic defender is out-of-contract and, after four years in Perth, is weighing up offers to return home to Victoria.
The athletic defender is out-of-contract and, after four years in Perth, is weighing up offers to return home to Victoria.
After playing the best game of his 18-match career against Richmond in Round 22, the 193cm back-flanker has spent the past week in Melbourne and is yet to commit to the Eagles.
Intent on strengthening its back half as part of an assault on the top four next season, Carlton is understood to be keen on the 22-year-old defender who played TAC Cup for Eastern Ranges.
Hawthorn has also registered its interest in Spangher along with a bevy of other defenders including Josh Gibson, from North Melbourne, Brian Lake, from the Western Bulldogs, and Fremantle's Marcus Drum.
West Coast is intent on keeping Spangher, who it drafted with pick 34 in the 2005 national draft.
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Ash Hansen may end up on the trade market
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ashley-hansen-may-look-east-if-west-coast-is-toast/story-e6frf9io-1225772200109
Lol. :lol
Fremantle is expected to insist on a first-round draft pick for a package of Tarrant and Peake or Dodd.
"We will not be trading our first pick," Dockers chief executive Steve Rosich said.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-draft-picks-off-limits/story-e6frf9io-1225772200283
Even more hilarious. ;D
CARLTON has identified West Coast backman Matt Spangher as a likely target in next month's trade period. The athletic defender is out-of-contract and, after four years in Perth, is weighing up offers to return home to Victoria.
AHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Gold. :rollin :birthday
Quality news day.
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Hughes can still be traded if he wants to get to a particular club
Do Norwood have any picks in the AFL draft?
:pray
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We'd be lucky to get a 5th round pick for Sarge now.
Agreed. However I can see him as a bit part of a more complicated exchange of draft picks/players.
I seriously doubt he will be at Richmond next season.
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Lake likely to re-sign with the Dogs for $1.8m over 4 years.
The Hawks were offering him $550k a year. The Swans have told his manager they are out of the running.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/lake-ready-to-accept-18m-deal/2009/09/13/1252780223197.html
Ex-Lion Richard Hadley could return to the Gabba from Carlton.
Although the general consensus is that Brisbane needs speedy outside players who can use the ball well, their shortcomings at stoppages in key games this year suggests they also need to bolster their ball-winning ability.
Voss identified the ability to win contested possessions as a main factor in Brisbane's 51-point semi-final loss to the Bulldogs on Friday night.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26066734-10389,00.html
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We'd be lucky to get a 5th round pick for Sarge now.
Agreed. However I can see him as a bit part of a more complicated exchange of draft picks/players.
I seriously doubt he will be at Richmond next season.
If it helps us get another decent pick I won't be complaining. Sarge will spend most of his time at Coburg if he stays on with us.
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We'd be lucky to get a 5th round pick for Sarge now.
Agreed. However I can see him as a bit part of a more complicated exchange of draft picks/players.
I seriously doubt he will be at Richmond next season.
If it helps us get another decent pick I won't be complaining. Sarge will spend most of his time at Coburg if he stays on with us.
Been a major disappointment Sarge. One of the biggest at Tigerland over the last 3 decades given the time and resources he's used up.
It's only our quest for quality KPPs that has seen him last this long.
He's got a better kick on him than most in our team but is too deficient in other areas to ever be a consistent AFL class footballer.
Certainly won't be at Richmond.
Was really hoping things would have fallen into place in '09 after a promising '08 but they were not to be and whilst I reckon Wallet stuffed around his development somewhat, I won't be holding my breath any longer that Hardwick could get him to pull his finger out as i reckon too much water has passed under the bridge for Jay at Richmond.
Best for all concerned that he's moved on, whatever it takes.
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Sarge will get us nothing. I would be very surprised if we were to receive a draft pick for him. Hughes I feel will get us nothing either.
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Yep we missed that boat 2 years ago.
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Burgoyne requests trade to Victoria
8:13 PM Mon 14 September, 2009
OUT-OF-CONTRACT Port Adelaide midfielder Shaun Burgoyne has requested to be traded to an unspecified Melbourne-based club.
Port Adelaide football operations manager Peter Rohde met with Burgoyne’s manager on Monday morning where the request was tabled.
“Shaun Burgoyne and his manager informed us this morning that he would like to be traded to a Melbourne-based club. At this stage no particular club has been identified," Rohde said.
“Our position is that Shaun is a required player and that he will only be traded if a favourable trade for the Port Adelaide Football Club is forthcoming
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84710/default.aspx
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I would move mountains if I were Richmond to get him.
Give them players etc etc. He is superstar,
Give them Tuck , Schulz and a late draft pick
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I would move mountains if I were Richmond to get him.
Give them players etc etc. He is superstar,
Give them Tuck , Schulz and a late draft pick
What for? He's too old for us
Talk about selling our future for a short term fix
I cannot grasp how you act like you do toward the club and how its drafted and then want us to chase someone like Burgoyne
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Yep sadly Burgoyne at 26 will be wasting his time coming to Richmond. The only way we would consider him is if he walked for free into the PSD but given Melbourne are interested in Burgoyne then we'd miss out that way as well.
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Australian tomorrow says Burgoyne is chasing $2m over 4 years. The Adelaide Advertiser has him going to Hawthorn.
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SHAUN Burgoyne will be in Melbourne in the next 48 hours to entertain pitches from a select group of Melbourne-based clubs who are expected to compete for his brilliance with offers as significant as $2million over four years.
The 26-year-old midfielder officially severed his ties with Port Adelaide yesterday, informing the club of his decision to leave and resume his 157-game career in Melbourne, preferably with a club where he has relationships with some of the players or staff.
This would seem to put Hawthorn, Melbourne and Richmond into consideration, with Hawks coach Alastair Clarkson an assistant at Port in 2004, Melbourne coach Dean Bailey also an assistant with the club for six seasons and Damien Hardwick, Richmond's new senior coach, a premiership player with Burgoyne in 2004.
It is understood that Burgoyne's manager spoke with several Melbourne clubs to arrange meetings in the Victorian capital from tomorrow.
An early first-round draft pick and a good player could be required to settle the matter unless one of the bottom clubs is able to cut Port out of the equation by convincing Burgoyne to make his way out through the pre-season draft for nothing.
Melbourne has first pick in the national and pre-season drafts, Richmond pick three in the national and two in the pre-season.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26072778-5013406,00.html
FREMANTLE yesterday remained adamant that fullback Chris Tarrant would not be traded back to a Melbourne-based club, despite continued speculation that he wants to return for family reasons.
The forward-turned-defender has just completed his best season in three years with the Dockers and is under contract until the end of 2010. Hawthorn, St Kilda and Carlton, three clubs in search of a key defender during next month's player-exchange period, said they had not factored in the possibility of recruiting Tarrant for next season.
Tarrant's high price tag, plus his age -- he turns 29 this week -- were reasons given by the Hawks, the Saints and the Blues for their lack of interest in the former Collingwood forward, who was an All-Australian in 2003.
Despite the realisation that Tarrant may want to return to Victoria after he completes his current contract with Fremantle, the Dockers yesterday returned a firm "no" about fielding any interest in him from rival clubs.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26072790-5013406,00.html
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I would move mountains if I were Richmond to get him.
Give them players etc etc. He is superstar,
Give them Tuck , Schulz and a late draft pick
What for? He's too old for us
Talk about selling our future for a short term fix
I cannot grasp how you act like you do toward the club and how its drafted and then want us to chase someone like Burgoyne
Just shows you have no idea.
If we traded 2 players and a pick, Say Tuck Schulz etc.
You are basically getting and extra pick by moving 2 players on.
I have no problem with getting rid of a player like Tuck and replacing him with a player the same age who is star.
I have seen more of Burgoyne than any of you nuffers, if he came to punt rd, he would be in our best 3. he is a gun player
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Just shows you have no idea.
If we traded 2 players and a pick, Say Tuck Schulz etc.
You are basically getting and extra pick by moving 2 players on.
I have no problem with getting rid of a player like Tuck and replacing him with a player the same age who is star.
I have seen more of Burgoyne than any of you nuffers, if he came to punt rd, he would be in our best 3. he is a gun player
Yeah you may class him as a gun player but would he still be a gun player if he came to a poor team like Richmond?
At Port he was surrounded by some very very good players; wouldn't happen at Richmond
I don't care how good he is I don't think based on what the RFC are saying they are trying to do he fits into our long term plans. And the facts are we have to start thinking long term and not the short medium term
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I would move mountains if I were Richmond to get him.
Give them players etc etc. He is superstar,
Give them Tuck , Schulz and a late draft pick
What for? He's too old for us
Talk about selling our future for a short term fix
I cannot grasp how you act like you do toward the club and how its drafted and then want us to chase someone like Burgoyne
Just shows you have no idea.
If we traded 2 players and a pick, Say Tuck Schulz etc.
You are basically getting and extra pick by moving 2 players on.
I have no problem with getting rid of a player like Tuck and replacing him with a player the same age who is star.
I have seen more of Burgoyne than any of you nuffers, if he came to punt rd, he would be in our best 3. he is a gun player
So was Browny when he came to us! We rebuild from scratch now, not in half measures in the past! Gee Jack, cant you remember how peeved you were/are at the McMahon trade?
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Agreed, Burgoyne will look a worse player at Richmond due to the lack of support.
Plus there's no way in hell Tuck, Schulz and a late pick would get the deal done.
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Agreed, Burgoyne will look a worse player at Richmond due to the lack of support.
Alternatively he'd make a lot of our players look better.
S.Burgoyne is a gun and when fit? is one of the best players in the competition.
Any list manager worth their salt would be out of their tree not to look closely at him. He still might have 5-8 years left of very good football.
If he wants to come to us via the PSD he'll be welcome with open arms but we won't be giving up pick 3 that's for sure.
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Just shows you have no idea.
If we traded 2 players and a pick, Say Tuck Schulz etc.
You are basically getting and extra pick by moving 2 players on.
I have no problem with getting rid of a player like Tuck and replacing him with a player the same age who is star.
I have seen more of Burgoyne than any of you nuffers, if he came to punt rd, he would be in our best 3. he is a gun player
Yeah you may class him as a gun player but would he still be a gun player if he came to a poor team like Richmond?
At Port he was surrounded by some very very good players; wouldn't happen at Richmond
I don't care how good he is I don't think based on what the RFC are saying they are trying to do he fits into our long term plans. And the facts are we have to start thinking long term and not the short medium term
He has silky skills, as good as Cousins :thumbsup
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Agreed, Burgoyne will look a worse player at Richmond due to the lack of support.
Alternatively he'd make a lot of our players look better.
S.Burgoyne is a gun and when fit? is one of the best players in the competition.
Any list manager worth their salt would be out of their tree not to look closely at him. He still might have 5-8 years left of very good football.
If he wants to come to us via the PSD he'll be welcome with open arms but we won't be giving up pick 3 that's for sure.
Thank you :thumbsup
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I would move mountains if I were Richmond to get him.
Give them players etc etc. He is superstar,
Give them Tuck , Schulz and a late draft pick
What for? He's too old for us
Talk about selling our future for a short term fix
I cannot grasp how you act like you do toward the club and how its drafted and then want us to chase someone like Burgoyne
Just shows you have no idea.
If we traded 2 players and a pick, Say Tuck Schulz etc.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You really do live in an alternate universe, this post is proof
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I would move mountains if I were Richmond to get him.
Give them players etc etc. He is superstar,
Give them Tuck , Schulz and a late draft pick
What for? He's too old for us
Talk about selling our future for a short term fix
I cannot grasp how you act like you do toward the club and how its drafted and then want us to chase someone like Burgoyne
Just shows you have no idea.
If we traded 2 players and a pick, Say Tuck Schulz etc.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You really do live in an alternate universe, this post is proof
One thing for certain , the people at Punt Rd continue to make mistakes.
Why would they delist Brown and Coghlan when they could offered them as trade. :banghead
Burgoyne is worth going after.
He aint a Kent Kingsley, Jordon McMahon or a Patrick Bowden. ::)
Want dont you like about my post??
Just shows you are one of the many nuffers who have little idea.
Burgoyne is a quality person on and off the ground.
Could you imagine him and Cousins rotating through the midfield next year to complement the likes of Foley, Lids ,Jacskon,Collins. How good will Cotchin be
Instead of bagging me you CLOWN, go and have a close look at his tapes.
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Haven't we learn anything from our past mistakes. Tradeing away picks for payers in their twilight of their careers only gets us nowhere = 9th.
If you are going to rebuild you cant import so called stars into the club as you end up missing out on good kids and stifling the developmnet of the kids.
Suck it up, we are going to have to put up with some real pain in the next few years if we want to be a decent club again. The Melb and WC model seems to be the models being applauded.
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One thing for certain , the people at Punt Rd continue to make mistakes.
Why would they delist Brown and Coghlan when they could offered them as trade. :banghead
The Swans can still trade Barry Hall can't they?
If 4 teams are interested in Browny then a team may look to trade for him because they will miss him in the PSD.
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are they actually delisted? or are have they just been told, you are not playing for Richmond anymore?
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Why would they delist Brown and Coghlan when they could offered them as trade. :banghead
They haven't been officially delisted as yet because the first list lodgement for 2009-2010 isn't due until after trade week. They have been told they wont be offered another contract but are still contracted until the 31/10/09
Therefore, the 2 players you mentioned are still RFC players until they are either 1/ traded or 2/ de-listed
So we can happily trade then during trade week if someone wants them and are prepared to trade for them - which I doubt
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Why would they delist Brown and Coghlan when they could offered them as trade. :banghead
They haven't been officially delisted as yet because the first list lodgement for 2009-2010 isn't due until after trade week. They have been told they wont be offered another contract but are still contracted until the 31/10/09
Therefore, the 2 players you mentioned are still RFC players until they are either 1/ traded or 2/ de-listed
So we can happily trade then during trade week if someone wants them and are prepared to trade for them - which I doubt
so we can trade Brown and Coughlan.
i can't see anyone taking Coughlan, but Brown maybe.
any draft pick would be good for Brown.
:)
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With List Management, I have no problem getting rid of a 30 year old and replacing him with a 26 yo.
You cant have a list made up of mostly under 25
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It has nothing to do with how good he is and everything to do with what it will cost to get him
It will take an early to mid first round pick plus more for starters
Not to mention he'll be approaching retirement when we are pushing into the finals
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PORT Adelaide has not given up hope of retaining star onballer Shaun Burgoyne next season, says football manager Peter Rohde.
Rohde said the issue was “far from decided” and suggested the club was willing to play hardball and risk losing the out-of-contract vice-captain for nothing, if a suitable deal could not be reached.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84773/default.aspx
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so we can trade Brown and Coughlan.
Yes
i can't see anyone taking Coughlan, but Brown maybe.
any draft pick would be good for Brown.
:)
Agreed
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Burgoyne didn't want to meet us despite the connection he has via Hardwick.....
SHAUN Burgoyne has cut to three the number of Melbourne clubs he is prepared to consider joining next year.
Melbourne, Hawthorn and Essendon have all been told they are on the shortlist of clubs the 26-year-old midfielder wants to speak to by the end of the week about a move for next year.
The skillful All-Australian and Port Adelaide vice-captain is likely to earn up to $600,000 a year for up to four years under any new contract.
Five other Melbourne clubs that expressed interest in the midfielder were told yesterday that he was not interested in discussing a trade.
Burgoyne had a connection also to Richmond through new coach and former teammate Damien Hardwick, but he did not seek to meet with the Tigers.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/burgoyne-shortlists-three-clubs/2009/09/15/1252780313762.html
The papers today also say that Essendon will try some swap of Lovett for Burgoyne.
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Burgoyne didn't want to meet us despite the connection he has via Hardwick.....
Good!
I wonder if it has anything to do with Hardwick's attitude towards indigenous players?
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Burgoyne didn't want to meet us despite the connection he has via Hardwick.....
Good!
I wonder if it has anything to do with Hardwick's attitude towards indigenous players?
Please explain.... ???
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Stripes, some coaches think that Indigenous players need to be dealt with more carefully (no shouting / letting them go at their own pace) in order for them to properly develop. Hardwick thinks that all players should be treated equally.
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Stripes, some coaches think that Indigenous players need to be dealt with more carefully (no shouting / letting them go at their own pace) in order for them to properly develop. Hardwick thinks that all players should be treated equally.
Yep that's it.
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Stripes, some coaches think that Indigenous players need to be dealt with more carefully (no shouting / letting them go at their own pace) in order for them to properly develop. Hardwick thinks that all players should be treated equally.
Did Maurice Rioli ever have to be treated with kid gloves or Michael Long at Essendon etc. Our players dont need to be treated with kid gloves, its survival of the fittest in a dog eat dog world. Hardwick cant afford to be nice, he just needs to do his job to the best of his ability.
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Supposedly that was one of the reasons he missed out at Essendon.
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let them go at their own pace. GIVE ME A stuffin BREAK!!!
yeah the Lovett boys are doing a great job on & off the field by going at their own pace.
It was only until Lovett was threatened to be delisted that he started playing well.
Clubs should not be run like that. No one should be given special treatment, no matter who they are.
Remember Al Clarkson a few years back. Try tell him to not "shout" when Williams did the gesture of the choke or the shot gun.
"I remember his words were if you continue doing things like that you will become familiar with the exit door very soon"
Great response from a premiership coach
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A rumour on BF's North Board so take it with a grain of salt......
The other interest is from Richmond for Hale, I believe no discussions on this have taken place at this stage. From what I'm told the deal will need to be pretty good for us to move Hale on.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=631964
It must be rubbish as Hale has 3 years left on his contract and Scott wants him and Gibson to stay at North.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84853/default.aspx
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No no and no.
Use the picks on kids.
North would want a first rounder for Hale if that rumour had any substance.
Would be trade week suicide.
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No no and no.
Use the picks on kids.
North would want a first rounder for Hale if that rumour had any substance.
Would be trade week suicide.
100% agree Tucky no way! It would be just a band-aid measure. Given even North think he is a dud it'd be wishful thinking that they would get a 1st round pick.
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Hawks hit with demand of $750,000 for Shaun Burgoyne.
Hawthorn, Shaun Burgoyne's preferred suitor, will meet the midfielder today amid suggestions Port Adelaide is keen to tie Jordan Lewis into any potential deal.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26083742-5013406,00.html
WEST Coast defender Matt Spangher has requested a trade to a Melbourne-based club next season.
Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn all have their sights on Spangher, who told the Eagles this week he wants to leave to be closer to family.
But West Coast, a club already dealing with similar requests from Brent Staker and Mark Seaby, has vowed not to let Spangher, 22, go without a fight.
Carlton is believed to be leading the race for Spangher, while Hawthorn's bid may depend on its efforts to attain North Melbourne's Josh Gibson.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/matt-spangher-wants-out-of-west-coast/story-e6frf9no-1225775278129
The Swans yesterday again ruled out interest in out-of-contract St Kilda midfielder Luke Ball, but they may make a play for out-of-contract West Coast flanker Mark Nicoski, who kicked the first goal of the 2005 grand final, won by Sydney.
Sydney could add two Eagles to its 2010 list as it is well down the track in negotiations to add out-of-contract West Coast ruckman Mark Seaby, who is keen to pursue his career elsewhere.
The management of Port Adelaide midfielder Steven Salopek has denied mounting speculation that Salopek wanted to return home to Victoria.
Brisbane defender Jason Roe was yesterday told by the Lions that his future in Queensland was limited and he was being put on the open market.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26083257-5013406,00.htm
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CARLTON reckons it can trade for contracted Bulldogs flanker Andrejs Everitt during next month's trade week. He's understood to have been offered up to the Blues in exchange for a draft selection, and possibly a player. Carlton chief executive Greg Swan said the Blues would not part with its first-round pick, No. 11 overall. To clinch the deal, Swan said the Blues would be prepared to part with a second-round selection, which stands at No. 27.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26088449-5013406,00.html
Shaun Burgoyne told Hawthorn that he is prepared to play with them for significantly less ($600k) than he has asked for from Essendon and Melbourne ($750k).
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26088139-2722,00.html
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Eagles ruckman Mark Seaby looks set to spread his wings as a Swan after returning from a trip to Sydney this week where he met club officials and players.
Age link (http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/richo-to-play-on-for-tigers/2009/09/18/1253209000179.html)
The papers today also have the Hawks with their first 3 picks on the trade table as they chase players.
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Fierce player trade storm brews
Mick Malthouse | September 19, 2009
THERE'S a bit of a storm brewing in the AFL and it's got nothing to do with coaches, off-field scandals or Mad Mondays.
From what I am hearing, reading and seeing I reckon that this year you are going to see more players swapping clubs than you have for two decades.
The NRL never surprises me in terms of player movement, the players declare their intentions halfway through the year, play out the rest of the season and then they move. It looks odd to us, but that's the way they do it and it works for them.
In the AFL it is rare for a player to put his hand up before the end of the season and say that they are definitely going into the draft or they want to go to a club of choice - a form of free agency if you like.
I say it is extraordinary because I was talking to AFL operations manager Adrian Anderson on the All-Australian night, and I said to him that he must be pleased that the headlines this year have mainly been about the game.
There have been other times when the big news has little to do with what is happening on the field.
He agreed it has been a relatively quiet period.
However, I can see something building in the next few weeks and it is something I haven't seen for a long time in footy.
It seems the GC17 and the futuristic GWS, that is the Gold Coast and Western Sydney sides, are already having an impact on the game and they haven't even entered the senior competition. Certainly there seems to be something going on that has changed the nature of the way clubs negotiate with players.
I sense there is a reluctance on the players' part to sign their names on the dotted line. They are holding out just at a time when the clubs are very keen to get people locked down.
The 16 clubs going around this year want to make sure there is nobody poaching the talent they have and they want some certainty about their lists for the future.
There are a lot of players talking about moving.
We have already seen Shaun Burgoyne, who is one of the best five or six players at Port Adelaide, put his hand up to move on.
There were rumblings that Danyle Pearce may also want to join him in Melbourne, but he re-signed yesterday with Port for another three years.
I think Mark Williams will be bitterly disappointed by the Burgoyne move. He has backed his team to the hilt by signing on for another couple of years.
At Richmond there is Shane Tuck and Andrew Raines who also want to go and there is no indication from the Tigers that they are trying to keep them.
There is talk that Chris Tarrant wants to come back to Melbourne. And Aaron Sandilands was another whose name has been mentioned a few weeks ago.
Brian Lake looks set to sign with the Western Bulldogs now, but his name was doing the rounds for some time.
It is becoming very evident that the threat of taking the best 17-year-olds out of the draft and sending them to the GC17 has caused a blowback and has a massive effect on the recruitment programs of clubs.
We have been warned the Gold Coast is going to have enormous concessions and believe that the ones for West Sydney are going to be far greater.
Clubs who have young lists are going to be in a better position in the future than those who have older lists, as it may prove a nightmare to find good young talent for many years to come.
There are going to be some clubs in a much better state than others, if you want to find out who they are just look at those players who are over 28 or 29 and look at who the club has in terms of young talent to replace them. If they are top-heavy, they are in trouble.
While I probably would have liked to have had a few more experienced players in our team last weekend - not that it mattered in the end - I can see the benefits for the future in the number of young players we had in the side.
I think we might have had about nine players who were 22 or younger playing. Having that many on the field usually bodes well for the future, but when the future promises a prolonged drought in regards to young talent, it takes on added meaning.
The other thing that will happen and is already starting to happen because of this looming threat, is that experienced players will become more valuable.
You will now see clubs looking about to shore up their lists with ready-made players.
It is going to be a little bit more like the 1970s and 1980s when it comes to trading in experienced players.
This will not disappoint the AFL because this trade period has been relatively quiet recently and the more action there is, the more chance the code has to ward off talk of the need for free agency.
There has always been the threat that somebody could challenge this in court. The AFL will be happy to see a great turnover of players within the ranks to show that there is freedom to move about if players wish to.
Hawthorn has indicated it is prepared to give up draft picks for proven players and the club is mentioned around every player whose name pops up.
The salary cap will leave some disappointed clubs but it does open it up for players to go to a club like Melbourne who are sitting pretty at the moment because they have first pick at the December draft.
What we are seeing now will only be magnified further because there is a suggestion Adelaide's Kurt Tippett is only the tip of the iceberg of players wanting to go to Queensland because it is home. With two sides up there it is going to be a lot easier, especially if one has advantages in the draft.
Adelaide seem resigned to losing Tippett to the Gold Coast, but it begs the question how should they be compensated. The Crows have spent a number of years developing this player, he played a terrific semi-final, but it looks like he will not be signing a new contract.
I think we will see a rush for the revolving doors this year which is totally different to recent years.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is a bad thing, I mean you don't want to lose players but I think things have been quite stagnant for a long time.
In modern football there has been a general reluctance for players to leave clubs. It is difficult to move players to another club. Everyone wants to be a lifer. The draft is strong with 18-year-olds, but once you get to the second or third rounds I think this year you will see clubs look at more experienced players as an alternative to the players who are left after GC17 and GWS take the cream.
It could be an interesting few months coming up.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26093431-16957,00.html
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Port are interested in Lovett
Hawthorn is understood to be considering trading its first draft selection and a player as part of a proposed Burgoyne deal.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/port-demands-high-price-for-burgoyne/2009/09/19/1253209041234.html
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Melbourne, Sydney, the Brisbane Lions and Carlton are also understood to be eyeing Bulldog Andrejs Everitt.
It will take a second-round pick, at least, to get the deal done.
There is speculation the Saints could be prepared to give up their first-round pick, 16 or 17, given the national draft pool is considered shallow.
That would clearly leave them in the box seat as Carlton is believed to be only interested in giving up a second-round pick.
Melbourne, which has the luxury of picks No. 1 and No. 2, might be keen enough to give up pick No. 18.
The Bulldogs are looking at Barry Hall. If the Dogs are to do a deal with Sydney, it is more likely to be for a third or even fourth-round pick - and possibly a bit-part player thrown in.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/versatile-andrejs-everitt-almost-certain-to-change-clubs/story-e6frf9n6-1225777244574
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The Bulldogs are looking at Barry Hall.
Talk about shutting the gate after the horse has bolted. Structure is absolutely essential to making and winning grand finals and the Bulldogs would have won easily on Friday night with a Barry Hall in their forward line.
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The Bulldogs are looking at Barry Hall.
Talk about shutting the gate after the horse has bolted. Structure is absolutely essential to making and winning grand finals and the Bulldogs would have won easily on Friday night with a Barry Hall in their forward line.
Thats for sure Smokey
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The Dogs have been in discussion with Barry Hall's management and it is understood the former Sydney Swans forward is close to nominating the Dogs as his preferred club.
The Hawks had spoken to Hall's management, but were put off by his asking price of as much as $400,000 a year.
They have also gone all-out to snare Shaun Burgoyne and Josh Gibson.
It is understood the Dogs will not pay in the $400,000 range, but are believed to be keen to move on Hall while their premiership window is open.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/scott-welshs-exit-opens-door-for-barry-hall/story-e6frf8w6-1225778367499
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UNBELIEVABLE. :help
MELBOURNE announced on Wednesday that it had reached an in principle agreement with Carlton to trade Brock McLean for their first round draft pick (No.11 overall) in this year's NAB AFL National Draft.
McLean met with Melbourne officials on Monday and informed them of his request to be traded from the club.
The agreement with Carlton is subject to the completion of medical screenings and the finalisation of paperwork during the exchange period, which starts on 5 October.
Melbourne list manager Tim Harrington said the deal seemed like a fair outcome for both clubs.
“It is very disappointing to lose a player of Brock’s calibre," Harrington said. "Once Brock made this decision it was important that we secured a commensurate trade and this has been achieved.
“We are now in a very strong position at the National Draft with four selections inside the top 18, all before any other clubs’ second selections have occurred.
"In the context of the last uncompromised draft for a number of years, this represents an outstanding opportunity to further build and develop our young playing list.”
McLean, who has played 94 games with the Dees and was runner-up in last year's best and fairest, said he felt like the move from Melbourne was the best thing for his football career.
“While it has been an extremely tough decision as I have given the club my all, I am confident it is the right one for both parties," McLean said.
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Burgoyne has nominated the Dawks as his preferred club ::)
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At least there's already some done deals, hopefully will be a very active trade week.
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Burgoyne has nominated the Dawks as his preferred club ::)
Funny for the bombers but if Hawks don't trade for him what is the deal? Do Essendon just have to match whatever Hawthorn offer?
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Burgoyne has nominated the Dawks as his preferred club ::)
Great another Carlton Scenario, how the hell will they fit Burgoyne and that dude fron the Roos under the cap. And to top it all off I just read that the Blues are trading pick 11 for Brock McLean..... HTF & WTH.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85230/default.aspx
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Well one player I would love from the Dee's and I wanted him at the club years ago but I know he won't or can't come is Nathan Jones.
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Barry Hall to sign a 2-year deal @ 600k with the Dogs. Dogs willing to give the Swans a 3rd round pick but the Swans would like a 2nd rounder. Eagleton may join Welsh in retirement to fit Hall inside the Dogs salary cap.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/hall-to-join-bulldogs/2009/09/23/1253385038089.html
Carlton may not enter the draft until the 3rd round (#43) given they are willing to give up their first and second round picks for McLean and Everitt.
Lovett may be heading north to Brisbane.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/burgoyne-mclean-move-on/2009/09/23/1253385038092.html
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i hope Richmond take the chance to draft 17/18 year olds.
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Probably rubbish but a rumour doing the rounds on BF is Aaron Davey wants out of Melbourne as well.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=631495
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Probably rubbish but a rumour doing the rounds on BF is Aaron Davey wants out of Melbourne as well.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=631495
How many first round draft picks can a club need, Oh wait it is the Dees we're talking about isn't it
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Rumour on Perth radio today that Carlton want Chris Tarrant from Freo for their 2nd round pick (#27) plus either Browne or Armfield. Tarrant to fill a key backman role the Blues need.
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Given how much Tarrant cost Freo, I can't see them giving him away for a 2nd round pick with a year to go on his contract
They gave Collingwood 2 Top 10 picks for him
Won't happen
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Probably rubbish but a rumour doing the rounds on BF is Aaron Davey wants out of Melbourne as well.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=631495
Uh, he wants to play with Corrie?
Corrie will probably be delisted!
If they do get #14 for him, then they have 5 picks in the first 19
Imagine being in that situation..... then picking Meyer, Pattison and Polo....
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Shaun Burgoyne has turned Essendon down.
Barry Hall has said yes to going to the Bulldogs.
Carlton are denying Nick Stevens will retire - http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85294/default.aspx
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Who the hell is this bloke???
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=636747
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Barry Hall to sign a 2-year deal @ 600k with the Dogs. Dogs willing to give the Swans a 3rd round pick but the Swans would like a 2nd rounder. Eagleton may join Welsh in retirement to fit Hall inside the Dogs salary cap.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/hall-to-join-bulldogs/2009/09/23/1253385038089.html
Carlton may not enter the draft until the 3rd round (#43) given they are willing to give up their first and second round picks for McLean and Everitt.
Lovett may be heading north to Brisbane.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/burgoyne-mclean-move-on/2009/09/23/1253385038092.html
i'm not sure why bulldogs have to actually trade for hall. can't they just pick him up in the PSD considering no other club will pick him up in the draft?
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Big risk to take, hoping 12-13 other clubs pass on him knowing he's available
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Big risk to take, hoping 12-13 other clubs pass on him knowing he's available
Yeah but we would all be surprised... no we wouldn't, at how many deals and agreements are done between clubs already behind the scene's. They would have agreed not to touch him between themselves until the Dogs pick.
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NEGOTIATIONS between the Western Bulldogs and All-Australian Brian Lake hit a stalemate last night after the defender remained unsigned and in limbo.
Melbourne yesterday moved swiftly to tie up its best player, Aaron Davey. The Demons ended a dispute over the length of an initial contract offer to Davey, who was coming out of contract next month, by agreeing to a new three-year deal.
CARLTON is facing a $400,000 payout to Nick Stevens who has been warned never to play AFL football again rather than risk permanent disability or worse, following a neck injury incurred in round 22. The Blues will hold talks today with AFL officials Andrew Dillon and Ken Wood and put forward a request that Stevens' contract payout will not be included in the club's 2010 salary cap.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/blues-face-payout-for-stevens/2009/09/24/1253385082149.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26120725-5013406,00.html
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CARLTON is facing a $400,000 payout to Nick Stevens who has been warned never to play AFL football again rather than risk permanent disability or worse, following a neck injury incurred in round 22. The Blues will hold talks today with AFL officials Andrew Dillon and Ken Wood and put forward a request that Stevens' contract payout will not be included in the club's 2010 salary cap.
If that lying, tanking, cheating scum get approval for that then it will just prove how much the AFL bends the rules for some and not others. What about every other player who has had to give football away because of injury - what's the bloody difference? Stinking cheats - I hate them more than any other team.
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CARLTON is facing a $400,000 payout to Nick Stevens who has been warned never to play AFL football again rather than risk permanent disability or worse, following a neck injury incurred in round 22. The Blues will hold talks today with AFL officials Andrew Dillon and Ken Wood and put forward a request that Stevens' contract payout will not be included in the club's 2010 salary cap.
If that lying, tanking, cheating scum get approval for that then it will just prove how much the AFL bends the rules for some and not others. What about every other player who has had to give football away because of injury - what's the bloody difference? Stinking cheats - I hate them more than any other team.
Ditto!
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its a lock for the bloos.
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I just can't believe the fuss and fiasco at us suggesting Polak going on the rookie last year just before the Pre season draft yet Carlton probably getting their way without a hint of fuss from other clubs regarding Stevens.
Is it because Stevens was injured playing yet Polak was out on the town in attaining his injuries. Double standards if you ask me. Its the Carlton and Collingwood hypocricy.
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More AFL favouritism towards Carlton
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According to today's Herald-Sun...
Swans want pick 31 for Barry Hall but the Dogs only want to offer pick 63 + player.
Lake still is in a stalement with the Doggies over his new contract. Carlton and Collingwood are sniffing around but the Bulldogs say they won't trade him so if Lake leaves he'll have to take his chances in the PSD.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/sydney-swans-haggle-on-barry-hall/story-e6frf8w6-1225779520526
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Swans have a nerve asking for pick 31 after trying to force him into early retirement. Doggies should play hardball cause no one else will take him in the PSD
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CARLTON is facing a $400,000 payout to Nick Stevens who has been warned never to play AFL football again rather than risk permanent disability or worse, following a neck injury incurred in round 22. The Blues will hold talks today with AFL officials Andrew Dillon and Ken Wood and put forward a request that Stevens' contract payout will not be included in the club's 2010 salary cap.
If that lying, tanking, cheating scum get approval for that then it will just prove how much the AFL bends the rules for some and not others. What about every other player who has had to give football away because of injury - what's the bloody difference? Stinking cheats - I hate them more than any other team.
Special treatment cause Mike Fitzpatrick will give it too them, Worst team in the AFL Carlton
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CARLTON is facing a $400,000 payout to Nick Stevens who has been warned never to play AFL football again rather than risk permanent disability or worse, following a neck injury incurred in round 22. The Blues will hold talks today with AFL officials Andrew Dillon and Ken Wood and put forward a request that Stevens' contract payout will not be included in the club's 2010 salary cap.
If that lying, tanking, cheating scum get approval for that then it will just prove how much the AFL bends the rules for some and not others. What about every other player who has had to give football away because of injury - what's the bloody difference? Stinking cheats - I hate them more than any other team.
Special treatment cause Mike Fitzpatrick will give it too them, Worst team in the AFL Carlton
Monk, you are incorrect.
We are the worst team in the AFL
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CARLTON is facing a $400,000 payout to Nick Stevens who has been warned never to play AFL football again rather than risk permanent disability or worse, following a neck injury incurred in round 22. The Blues will hold talks today with AFL officials Andrew Dillon and Ken Wood and put forward a request that Stevens' contract payout will not be included in the club's 2010 salary cap.
If that lying, tanking, cheating scum get approval for that then it will just prove how much the AFL bends the rules for some and not others. What about every other player who has had to give football away because of injury - what's the bloody difference? Stinking cheats - I hate them more than any other team.
Opens up a can of worms as to where this stops. Plenty of footballers have had careers cut short by injury but the rules regarding the salary cap weren't bent for them. Stevens' future has been under a cloud at Carlton for a while even ignoring the neck injury with question marks over his weight and fitness.
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Here is a good rumour.
Fev to West Coast ;) stay tuned
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Sydney have offered Mark Seaby a 3-year deal and he wants to go there. A third-round draft pick shapes as the likely price, with the Eagles understood to have demanded Sydney's second-round pick and the Swans having offered a fourth-round pick.
Matt Spangher may yet remain at the Eagles as he's concerned he is not guaranteed to get to a club of his choice via either a trade or the pre-season draft.
The future Brett Peake is set to be decided within days after meetings yesterday with at least two Melbourne-based clubs. Melbourne have the first pick in the pre-season draft and could take Peake without trading, but while they remain a contender, they are yet to commit.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/eagles/6103286/swans-offer-seaby-three-year-deal/
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From todays HUN...
"It is understood the Blues have canvassed the prospect of trading Fevola following his latest indescretion.
But his asking price and multi-million-dollar contract will make a trade unlikely"
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From todays HUN...
"It is understood the Blues have canvassed the prospect of trading Fevola following his latest indescretion.
But his asking price and multi-million-dollar contract will make a trade unlikely"
perhaps we offer a combo of brown, JON and Hughes and we will pick up 80% of his contract...see how we go :-\
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surely they wouldnt trade him..I think they believe their premiership window is just about to open
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Hard to see them trading him away given how badly they lack forward options. More likely to be the Blues appearing to be taking a hard line with him given the negative publicity.
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Here is a good rumour.
Fev to West Coast ;) stay tuned
Going for a pick Jack or after Kennedy again?
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I don't see Carlton trading Fev as he's their main goal source but even if they did I can't see Kennedy wanting to go back to Carlton after the way they forced him out to get Judd. He's also a WA kid so there's no reason for him to want to head back to Victoria. The best the Blues could do is the Eagles first pick plus a Spangher/Nicoski who both want to go East.
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Here is a good rumour.
Fev to West Coast ;) stay tuned
Going for a pick Jack or after Kennedy again?
All I know is this, He thinks he will now be traded.
He is looking at the option of West Coast.
There are other issues as well you will find. ;)
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I don't see Carlton trading Fev as he's their main goal source but even if they did I can't see Kennedy wanting to go back to Carlton after the way they forced him out to get Judd. He's also a WA kid so there's no reason for him to want to head back to Victoria. The best the Blues could do is the Eagles first pick plus a Spangher/Nicoski who both want to go East.
Carlton are desperate to do a trade ;)
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Won't happen, scare tactic
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finds out his fate tomorrow according to the Herald Sun...
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I don't see Carlton trading Fev as he's their main goal source but even if they did I can't see Kennedy wanting to go back to Carlton after the way they forced him out to get Judd. He's also a WA kid so there's no reason for him to want to head back to Victoria. The best the Blues could do is the Eagles first pick plus a Spangher/Nicoski who both want to go East.
They're going to want to get someone who can slot in straight away at full forward if they trade him.
Maybe they'll try get a Bradshaw, Jack Anthony or McKinley??
They can have Hughes and Schulz for a 3rd rounder. ;D
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From todays HUN...
"It is understood the Blues have canvassed the prospect of trading Fevola following his latest indescretion.
But his asking price and multi-million-dollar contract will make a trade unlikely"
perhaps we offer a combo of brown, JON and Hughes and we will pick up 80% of his contract...see how we go :-\
Why do people keep throwing in players that have left the club as potential trades?????? Brown, Hughes and JON can go where they wan't for nothing as we delisted them, they have no trade value to us because we can't use them.
Unless I am mistaken!!!!!!
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From todays HUN...
"It is understood the Blues have canvassed the prospect of trading Fevola following his latest indescretion.
But his asking price and multi-million-dollar contract will make a trade unlikely"
perhaps we offer a combo of brown, JON and Hughes and we will pick up 80% of his contract...see how we go :-\
Why do people keep throwing in players that have left the club as potential trades?????? Brown, Hughes and JON can go where they wan't for nothing as we delisted them, they have no trade value to us because we can't use them.
Unless I am mistaken!!!!!!
We can tell them that they won't get a new contract, but I am pretty sure we can trade any of the players. A delistment is not official until the first list lodgement.
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Won't happen, scare tactic
Will happen, Judd has said if Fev stays , I want out ;)
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Won't happen, scare tactic
Will happen, Judd has said if Fev stays , I want out ;)
Hughes, Schulz and McMahon to Carlton
Judd to Richmond
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what a lot of crap
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Hughes, Schulz and McMahon to Carlton
Judd to Richmond
If they we planning an invasion of europe maybe, every army needs cannon fodder. :lol
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Who's going where in AFL trade week, or at least our best guesses
By John Clark and Martin Smith
foxsports.com.au
September 28, 2009
The dust has barely settled on the 2009 AFL grand final, but foxsports.com.au is ready to move on. We cast an eye towards trade week and who might be on the move.
In the lead-up to the exchange period - which begins on October 5 - we will provide regular rumour mill updates. If you hear a bit of scuttlebutt, then send our AFL boys an email.
Latest User Rumours
ADELAIDE CROWS
Brent Reilly: Is in the Crows' best 22 but hard to see him being a key component in taking them further than semi-final weekend in September. Doesn't do a lot wrong and uses the ball nicely, but at 25 he hasn't come along as far as you would have hoped for a first-round selection. Clubs in his native Victoria would be willing to talk.
Taylor Walker: Undoubted talent but plenty to learn. Walker was a hit in the first half of the season but was sent back to the SANFL to add to the defensive side of his game. Barely sighted as the Crows surged towards the finals. Adelaide will want to keep him but other clubs are reportedly very interested to talk - http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,,26064550-23211,00.html.
BRISBANE LIONS
Bradd Dalziell: The Fox Sports Fantasy AFL specialist is in line for a return to his native Western Australia. Both Fremantle and West Coast would welcome him into developing midfields, easing the pressure on the kids coming through. Early reports from Perth hint Brent Staker may be the bait from West Coast.
Jamie Charman: With Mitch Clark rising to ruck fame and Matthew Leunberger tipped for big things, Charman has slipped down the pecking order. He was floated at this time last year and a deal is more likely to be found for him this time around. Melbourne Demons should make a play for him, as will St Kilda if either Steven King or Michael Gardiner call it a day.
CARLTON
Brad Fisher: The archetypal bit of burley when it comes to this time of year. Fisher's been around since being nabbed at pick No.72 in the 2002 national draft, promises the world and to this point has delivered an atlas. If he can find his way to a club with two big forwards to take the heat off, Fisher could flourish. Carlton will listen to any offers.
Andrew Walker: Hard to envisage the Blues giving up on their long-term investment now he's expected to enter his prime, but Walker will be a man with many admirers. His injury-cruelled time at Optus Oval may just be over and his star on the verge of rising. [Ed. I thought Walker re-signed for 2 years ]
COLLINGWOOD
Chris Dawes: Anthony Rocca's retirement may open a door for Dawes, but he could only make the grade for four games this season. He has failed to set the VFL on fire but with confidence and a full pre-season he could be a 60-goal a year forward if the Pies are willing to part ways.
Travis Cloke: It's shaping as a big-name trade period as clubs endeavour to shake up their lists ahead of the Gold Coast arrival. Cloke, the Magpies' barometer, struggled through another September. If another club come up with an offer too good to refuse, the Pies should pounce.
ESSENDON
Andrew Lovett: Bombers fans will be bleeding if they lose one of their star performers from season 2009, but indications are he's not thrilled with life under the current coach. He almost ended up at Skilled Stadium last trade week before the deal fell through. The good thing for Essendon is the fact his allure has risen in the past 12 months.
Leroy Jetta: When an Irishman with 12 months in the AFL system gets a game ahead of you come finals time, things aren't too rosy. Jetta was overlooked by Matthew Knights for the elimination final debacle against Adelaide Crows. Managed 18 matches last season and has plenty of pace. Hails from Western Australia.
FREMANTLE
Chris Tarrant: Has reportedly indicated he wants out of the west to settle with family back in Melbourne. His stocks are as high as they have been in his time at Fremantle. Expect the club to do a deal, with a late first-round pick or early second-round choice realistic.
Marcus Drum:
The 192cm defender has not found his niche in four seasons at Fremantle. Hawthorn, due to their defensive deficiencies, have been linked with him. At 22, he will have appeal but little currency. A draft pick anywhere between 30 and 60 would likely snare him.
GEELONG
Ryan Gamble: Getting a gig as a forward for the Cats is tough. Steve Johnson and Paul Chapman are locks in attack, as is Cameron Mooney. Mark Thompson is a big fan of Matthew Stokes and Shannon Byrnes. The Tom Hawkins experiment continues in earnest while Travis Varcoe continues to improve. It leaves few holes for Gamble to slot in. He has the talent, but the lack of regular opportunity may send him down the path of Brent Prismall and Brent Moloney. Would attract a lot of interest.
Kane Tenace: The speedster should have opted out when Essendon came knocking. Plays like he needs a change of scenery and someone to believe in him. More likely he'll find a second home late in the draft or as a pre-season pick.
HAWTHORN
Beau Dowler: Some at Hawthorn are still not sold on Dowler, the No.6 draft selection from 2005. He was forced to fill a key post down back, which he struggled to do, and looked much more comfortable as a forward. With Jarryd Roughead and Lance Franklin hard to shove, Dowler may want out. He may be easier to tempt from the Hawks than some think.
Mitch Thorp: If the Hawks are to land Josh Gibson, who has told North Melbourne he wants out, they're going to have to give something up. This boy has big wraps and could be the key to the trade. Has battled injuries but was taken with the No.6 choice in the 2006 national draft, ahead of Joel Selwood, James Frawley and Kurt Tippett.
MELBOURNE DEMONS
Daniel Bell: Injuries have slowed Bell's progress over recent years, but the 24-year-old running defender is almost out of time at the Demons. Seemingly built to play the modern game - he's tall, strong and quick - but his 66 games in the red and blue have failed to fulfill hopes. A full pre-season and the confidence of a new coach could see him flourish. Will be in the bargain bin if you are looking.
Brad Miller: Sydney Swans have shown interest previously in the hard-working forward and they could be in the hunt once more. Melbourne will drive a hard bargain given their dearth of tall forwards, but the Swans' second-round selection could sway them, even though the draft pool is thin.
NORTH MELBOURNE
David Hale: The big bloke with the new hairdo didn't do his value much good this year, but he's tall - and that means there's going to be attention. The only concern for any club about to try their luck on the 201cm ruckman/forward is the likelihood he'll attract attention from the Gold Coast in 12 months' time. Hamish McIntosh and Todd Goldstein look more than capable of covering Hale at Arden Street.
Josh Gibson: Has told the Kangaroos he is on the way out. Now the deal has to be done. He's not a monster full-back, but he's handy. The Hawks are supposedly in the hunt for him to shore up their defence and could pay over the odds for him. North hold the aces here.
PORT ADELAIDE
Shaun Burgoyne: Looms as the key domino in trade week. The Power are demanding the Hawks’ No.9 draft pick and a player in return for the 26-year-old Burgoyne, with Jordan Lewis mentioned as potential trade bait. But Burgoyne is so disillusioned with the Power he will probably enter the draft if a deal with Hawthorn doesn’t eventuate.
Danyle Pearce: Has signed a new deal but will be let go for the right price. Former Port star Josh Francou urged the Power to get rid of the 23-year-old after his poor performance against Melbourne Demons in round 15. Hawthorn legend Shane Crawford claimed Pearce “hoisted the white flag” in that game and with Mark Williams needing to implement a major cultural change at the Power, Pearce may be a big-name casualty.
RICHMOND
Shane Tuck: With new coach Damian Hardwick wanting to punt him, the 27-year-old has put himself on the market. With a season playing for Coburg looming, Tuck has declared publicly he wants to be traded and he would be a welcome addition to most clubs. He loves the hard ball and gets plenty of contested footy, which makes one wonder why the toothless Tigers want to get rid of him in the first place.
Nathan Brown: With 349 career goals to his credit, the unwanted veteran would add an X-factor to any forward line. The success of the Stuart Dew experiment at Hawthorn might see the Hawks put their hand up, with Sydney also desperate to add some experience to their forward line following the departures of Barry Hall and Michael O’Loughlin.
SYDNEY SWANS
Henry Playfair: The injury-plagued former Cat has had a frustrating two years in the harbour city. The forward had a third operation on his troublesome hamstring in May this year, ruling him out for the entire season. With the Swans' forward stocks depleted by retirement, Playfair is the obvious choice to step into the fold next season. But with this being the last year on his contract, the Swans may decide he's not worth the risk and cut him loose. Want him? You got him.
Luke Ablett: Sydney are usually pretty active in the post-season swap meet, and Ablett could be one to find himself on the way out as they make some more room for the next generation of Swans. At 26, with 133 games to his name, Ablett would be a solid servant for any club. The pace of the game may be getting hold of him but still knows how to find the footy.
WEST COAST
Ben McKinley: Has undoubted talent but this season failed to follow up his breakthrough performances of 2008. The Eagles won't give him up for nothing but there are clubs in his native Victoria which would be keen to lay their hands on him. A full-forward who will attract attention if floated.
Mark Seaby: Wants out and has been told he will be granted that wish. Adelaide were reportedly in the race for the big man but their young ruck stocks weren't humiliated in their run to the semi-finals. Port Adelaide may want some back up for Dean Brogan. Given his desire to depart, the Eagles will listen to all offers.
WESTERN BULLDOGS
Brennan Stack: The Eagles are after a quick small forward and Stack could be one they investigate. The 21-year-old hails from Perth and has managed two games since being selected by the Dogs in the 2006 national draft. Stack kicked four goals against Fremantle in his second career game.
Andrejs Everitt: For mysterious reasons, the athletic brother of former ruckman Peter 'Spider' Everitt is splitting with the Bulldogs. He impressed late in the season as a back-up ruckman but couldn't get a look-in come September. Went at No.11 in the 2006 national draft. The Dogs would expect a pick between 10 and 30 for him now. A deal will be done.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26124014-5018851,00.html#latestuser
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Won't happen, scare tactic
Will happen, Judd has said if Fev stays , I want out ;)
God I hope that is true, truly hilarious stuff
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Won't happen, scare tactic
Will happen, Judd has said if Fev stays , I want out ;)
Where did you hear that Jackstar??
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Won't happen, scare tactic
Will happen, Judd has said if Fev stays , I want out ;)
Where did you hear that Jackstar??
You dont need to know, its on the money you will find ;)
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Ok Jackstar no worries I will wait.
Now why the hell aren't we trying to get a pick around 19 for McMahon?? We gave the dogs pick 19 for him so we should be going hard to get that pick back, regardless of what we on this site think he is worth. We at least need to try!!
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Now why the hell aren't we trying to get a pick around 19 for McMahon?? We gave the dogs pick 19 for him so we should be going hard to get that pick back, regardless of what we on this site think he is worth. We at least need to try!!
He's been truly terrible for us. We had a coach who rated him and saw him as an important part of his uncontested gameplan and thats why we paid over the odds.
If we get anything under pick 50 for him it is daylight robbery.
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Now why the hell aren't we trying to get a pick around 19 for McMahon?? We gave the dogs pick 19 for him so we should be going hard to get that pick back, regardless of what we on this site think he is worth. We at least need to try!!
He's been truly terrible for us. We had a coach who rated him and saw him as an important part of his uncontested gameplan and thats why we paid over the odds.
If we get anything under pick 50 for him it is daylight robbery.
Would agree with that,, he is worth NOTHING
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Won't happen, scare tactic
Will happen, Judd has said if Fev stays , I want out ;)
So Judd is bigger than the footy club. I don't like this untouchable crap about him. Sure what Fev did was not socially adept but....... I was at a nightclub after Carlton's last game against the Hawks in 2008. Virtually the whole club walked in and started carrying on like two bob watches. Fev was there and drinking and his behaviour was by no means the worst as there were other notable Blues boys who were really making asses of themselves. If anything Fev was quite restrained yet was more than happy to mingle with the patrons. If Becks was not there last Monday would the football mercenary be making out the way he is and would it be as serious as this has turned out? Would it then have been a case of what happens on the footy trip stays on the footy trip? Obviously we have football royalty and those two are sacrasanct and since when has Becks opinion on football meant anything?. Me thinks Juddy has been pussywhipped by Becks in all this with all the carry on as well as the Carlscum hierarchy. :whistle
Furthermore Judd is holding virtually the whole club at ransom making out like this was the worst thing that has ever hapenned. Media are making out like they are Jackie O and JFK and their poo don't stink. Sure Fevola is an idiot and a big one at that but tell me which GFC player won't br carrying on after Saturday. Some clubs are just better at covering up their crap and the ones that are, are usually the clubs in the upper echelon.
When Stevie J and Brad Ottens where blowing bags and speeding at 128 km/h in 60 zones the Cats were mid table mediocrity, now we don't hear of any indiscretions. Same with the Saints and this so called party culture but that seems to have been covered up/cleaned up in the last few years. The victims tend to be from lesser clubs and this so called public crucifying and image enhancement tends to occur at mid range lower clubs so they can be seen to do the write thing whereas better clubs do not need to tarnish the image of their brand and their on field persona with distractions such as someone having a few too many beers, with crap like this so they hide it better. I'm not defending Fev but TFS has a so called public responsibility yet allow Sam to carry on and Billy to promote frothies and how many times has he appeared of his TFS on Brownlow Street Talk. Double standards. Me thinks Brendan though fully to blame has also been set up to serve a yet unknown purpose. Possibly to become a missionary in Sin City and have a chance at a new life and persona.
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Can tell you there is alot more to this, but for legal reasons its best left what is in the paper.
Better that Fev moves on
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Sorry, you can't tell me that Fev is being held to ransom by Judd. If it needs Judd to make a comment, then Carlton are in real trouble.
Fev is a serial pest and his behavior over many years has demonstrated an arrogance about doing the right thing.
To have any credibility with the 40 players on their list (particularly after dumping Cloke, Betts and the other bloke washisname? for a game recently) 8 strikes and you are out.
Fev needs to leave Carlton and the Blues will be better off.
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The funniest thing of all is that Judd is hardly the angel he's made out to be
Professional? Definitely
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I wonder what Judd's Mrs thought about Fevs behaviour. :whistle
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I wonder what Judd's Mrs thought about Fevs behaviour. :whistle
she probably loved it.
who gives a stuff what she thought
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Mike Sheehan on the couch just said that he was concerned that Melbourne thought that they had sealed an "in principle" deal with Aaron Davey. He confirmed with Hirdy that Bombers maybe having a dip.
And from BF's Demon board:
"i hate to be the bearer of bad news but word yesterday at the Goulburn Valley Grand Final from two very well connected demon men is that they believe that the D's have lost the fight to hold A. Davey."
"Apparently he has been offerred a 4 year deal from the Bombers with a salary that he cant refuse and melbourne don't want to match."
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Why the hell don't any of these players like Davey want to come to the Tigers or why aren't we trying to get them. Davey would be great at the club IMO.
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Why the hell don't any of these players like Davey want to come to the Tigers or why aren't we trying to get them. Davey would be great at the club IMO.
Davey would only want to go to Essendon to play alongside his brother if he did leave the Dees.
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Why the hell don't any of these players like Davey want to come to the Tigers or why aren't we trying to get them. Davey would be great at the club IMO.
Because Davey has no reason to show an interest in us and we have no reason to be targeting a 26-year-old in a trade that would demand a high pick.
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Well do we want anyone then or are some of you still in this "rebuilding" state of mind, because if you are you had better realise if we don't try to get some experience into the team the GC 17 will be playing finals before us.
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Brisbane may have stolen a march on its rivals chasing Essendon's out-of-contract midfielder Andrew Lovett.
Despite the retirement of veteran defender Max Hudghton, Matt Maguire's standing at Moorabbin could be threatened should the Saints pursue Western Bulldogs defender Andrejs Everitt, who has also attracted interest from Carlton.
Disgruntled out-of-contract Fremantle player Marcus Drum has walked out on the Dockers and has threatened to nominate for the national and pre-season drafts if a suitable trade cannot be made next week.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26137439-5013406,00.html
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Well do we want anyone then or are some of you still in this "rebuilding" state of mind, because if you are you had better realise if we don't try to get some experience into the team the GC 17 will be playing finals before us.
WA, chasing players from other clubs have landed us in the posi we are in today, cant you see that???
Interesting to read in the HUN, regarding the Leon Cameron trade back a while ago which landed the Buldogs Hargraves and Hahn.
Where are they and where is Leon?
Leon was a gem but thats what happens when you recruit players who dont fit into your rebuilding structure.
Wallace screwed our list because he topped up.
If GC play finals before us so be it, it should not matter one bit.
in the past this would be a typical trade we would go for but it doesnt work with our list, we need to rebuild via draft and if its takes a bit longer so be it but no MORE top ups from other clubs
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Interesting to read in the HUN, regarding the Leon Cameron trade back a while ago which landed the Buldogs Hargraves and Hahn.
Where are they and where is Leon?
Leon was a gem but thats what happens when you recruit players who dont fit into your rebuilding structure.
Wallace screwed our list because he topped up.
I see your point about short-term gain over long-term gain but I'm scratching my head at what you back it up with.
Richmond were not rebuilding when they took Cameron. Frawley was new coach and added Cameron and King to the list.
The Cameron for Hahn and Hargrave trade may look beneficial to the Bulldogs now but they have won NOTHING since then. Same as Richmond.
They've actually won NOTHING since 1954.
Do you realise Wallace was the Bulldogs coach who let Cameron go and drafted Hahn and Hargrave for him? That would be praise for Wallace from you. ;D Plus, he was topping up Richmond's list while he was still coach of the Bulldogs.
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Interesting to read in the HUN, regarding the Leon Cameron trade back a while ago which landed the Buldogs Hargraves and Hahn.
Where are they and where is Leon?
Leon was a gem but thats what happens when you recruit players who dont fit into your rebuilding structure.
Wallace screwed our list because he topped up.
I see your point about short-term gain over long-term gain but I'm scratching my head at what you back it up with.
Richmond were not rebuilding when they took Cameron. Frawley was new coach and added Cameron and King to the list.
The Cameron for Hahn and Hargrave trade may look beneficial to the Bulldogs now but they have won NOTHING since then. Same as Richmond.
They've actually won NOTHING since 1954.
Do you realise Wallace was the Bulldogs coach who let Cameron go and drafted Hahn and Hargrave for him? That would be praise for Wallace from you. ;D Plus, he was topping up Richmond's list while he was still coach of the Bulldogs.
yes i do praise Wallace for bringing those 2 to the Buldogs. History will tell you it was a great move because they are playing regular finals, while Cameron is retired
Im trying to make a point that our list is not suitable for a player who would take away our high pick.
Im not sold on any player who cant get a game for another club coming to Punt Road, However, like someone said on here cant remember who, we cant let history or past failures dictate our recruiting so if a good young player comes cheap then maybe we should consider it.
I just like to look at history and history tells us it doesnt work for the RFC. Maybe that will change
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Russell Robertson's take on Brock McLean leaving Melbourne, as reported in The Mercury:
THE tanking issue helped drive Brock McLean out of Melbourne, his former teammate Russell Robertson believes.
Robertson said this was no more evident than in the final game against St Kilda where nearly every player was played out of position, including McLean who spent the whole game in a forward pocket instead of his customary midfield role.
"I know this whole tanking vibe has disgruntled a few players at the Melbourne Football Club," Robertson said in Hobart yesterday for the Ladies Grand Final Luncheon at Wrest Point Casino.
"They haven't been especially happy with what happened and you can't really blame anyone.
"You can't blame the coach [Dean Bailey]. It is more just the way the AFL is at the moment with the [priority draft pick] systems that are in place.
"You have to do these things if you are going to survive.
"I'm not saying we tanked, I'm just saying players were played out of position and maybe that has peeed off a couple of midfielders who just want to get out and have a run around in the midfield rather than be in one of the worst positions on the football field in the forward pocket."
Full article:
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2009/09/26/99815_tasmania-news.html
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Did I read in another thread that Matthew Stokes from Geelong is out of contract??
If so I think he is definitely worth a look.
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Whispers on 3aw says Saint Matt Maguire is heading to Carlton.
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which clubs are interested in ...
Tuck?
Brown?
Coughlan?
McMahon?
anyone else?
:)
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Whispers on 3aw says Saint Matt Maguire is heading to Carlton.
Is there anyone in this competition that's not?????????????
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Whispers on 3aw says Saint Matt Maguire is heading to Carlton.
Please do, Blues.
He's as stuffed as Cogs. Good VFL defender at best these days but will be shown up at AFL level, as he was previously. SLOOOOW.
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Whispers on 3aw says Saint Matt Maguire is heading to Carlton.
Is there anyone in this competition that's not?????????????
Tell me about it, this is what I am talking about, their salary cap must be in the zillions.
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Whispers on 3aw says Saint Matt Maguire is heading to Carlton.
LOL whispers, used to work for Freo until they found out he was whispers, LOL
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Essendon are believed to have offered Aaron Davey an irresistible four-year offer which could earn the versatile player as much as $2.3million.
Hawk Josh Kennedy seeking greater opportunities may be off to Sydney either for a second or third-round pick.
The Swans say they are keen to retain Ed Barlow, but he has attracted the interest of Carlton. Out of contract, Barlow, 22, has played 25 games in three seasons, including 14 this year.
It is believed Crow Jonathan Griffin is open-minded about moving to another club although Adelaide want to keep him.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26143752-5013406,00.html
The Hawks have offered Port Adelaide their first pick, No. 9, and are willing to deal a player as well, but Port has indicated it will bargain hard before trading Shaun Burgoyne to his preferred club. Hawthorn and Port Adelaide met last Friday, when the Power said it would like Lewis to be part of a Burgoyne trade - a suggestion the Hawks rejected.
Brisbane are interested in Andrew Lovett but are unlikely to offer up their first pick #12.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/favourite-hawk-may-leave/2009/09/29/1253989912734.html
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Aaron Davey has re-signed with Melbourne for 4 years so he's off the market.
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Essendon are believed to have offered Aaron Davey an irresistible four-year offer which could earn the versatile player as much as $2.3million.
According to SEN Aaron Davey has just re-signed for four years with Melb. (just beat me to it, don't you ever do any work?)
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Essendon are believed to have offered Aaron Davey an irresistible four-year offer which could earn the versatile player as much as $2.3million.
According to SEN Aaron Davey has just re-signed for four years with Melb. (just beat me to it, don't you ever do any work?)
LOL isnt that work thing a biatch
Oh well at least that doesn't totally shut the door on us getting Trengove although by all accounts Scully/Trengove to the Dees is a done deal.
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Essendon are believed to have offered Aaron Davey an irresistible four-year offer which could earn the versatile player as much as $2.3million.
According to SEN Aaron Davey has just re-signed for four years with Melb. (just beat me to it, don't you ever do any work?)
I just hopped back onto the computer and SEN announced it. All in the timing :thumbsup
Anyway North want picks 25 and 41 off Hawthorn for Josh Gibson. Hawks hesistant to give up pick 41 and may look to swap late picks. With pick 9 most likely being offloaded for Burgoyne they'll be effectively out of this draft if they trade their first 3 picks away.
Hawthorn midfielder Ben McGlynn has been attracting interest from rival clubs, with Sydney believed to be leading the way.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/hawthorn-closes-on-josh-gibson-shaun-burgoyne/story-e6frf9jf-1225781051415
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WEST Coast is watching out-of-contract Geelong forward Mathew Stokes should he not come to terms with the Cats after being left out of last Saturday's premiership team. Stokes, along with premiership players Mark Blake and David Wojcinski remain out of contract with the Cats ...
The Eagles also want Sydney's second rounder for Seaby.
Brisbane has shown some interest in Staker, but West Coast is not prepared to do a straight swap involving Bradd Dalziell.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26148103-5012432,00.html
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As I said previously, I definitely think we should have a look at Stokes also. He is still young and a class player. I'd pass on Blake who is an ordinary player who is made to look good by a star studded team. Wojcinski?? Don't beat me down here but I would take him in a heartbeat for a late pick or through the PSD for sure. Still has plenty of pace and would take McMahon's spot in the team. He is one recycled that would improve any clubs list.
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Griffin should be of interest to us as well. Our ruck stocks are a shambles.
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Griffin should be of interest to us as well. Our ruck stocks are a shambles.
Good player.
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Ben Griffin if available should be taken by us!
he is a very good ruckman-rest-forward!
:)
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Ben Griffin if available should be taken by us!
he is a very good ruckman-rest-forward!
:)
You mean Jonathon Griffin torch :thumbsup
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Ben Griffin if available should be taken by us!
he is a very good ruckman-rest-forward!
:)
You mean Jonathon Griffin torch :thumbsup
sorry guys, Jonathon Griffin!
thanks 'Tuckerbag'.
however i think Ben Griffin is at Adelaide looking for a new home.
:)
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It's becoming increasingly likely that Raines will br our only trade during trade week.. :(
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It's becoming increasingly likely that Raines will br our only trade during trade week.. :(
I know its sad but who have we got that has some currency. Not many. Says alot about our list. Those that are tradeable we won't give up and those we want to trade have no value whatsoever. The cull will must continue next year and must shed some 25 players over those two years otherwise we will be mothballs for the next five with no pot of gold at the end of our rainbow.
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It's becoming increasingly likely that Raines will br our only trade during trade week.. :(
looks like Coburg are going to have a great team in 2010.
Tuck, McMahon, Polak, Schulz, Pattison, Hislop, Thomson, Edwards, Putt, King, Connors, Browne, Gilligan, Gourdis.
:)
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wait till the bartering starts, we are there too offload. :thumbsup
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wait till the bartering starts, we are there too offload. :thumbsup
Beggars can't be choosers. I hope so. :pray
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Anyone got the picks of all the teams so we can list them and look back at what we could get for our players, cheers. What is Brisbanes 3rd round pick that they are offering for Raines??
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Anyone got the picks of all the teams so we can list them and look back at what we could get for our players, cheers. What is Brisbanes 3rd round pick that they are offering for Raines??
Haven't got a list but if it will be around 44.
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Anyone got the picks of all the teams so we can list them and look back at what we could get for our players, cheers. What is Brisbanes 3rd round pick that they are offering for Raines??
Haven't got a list but if it will be around 44.
Thanks mate, gee, pick 44, seems a long way down in such a shallow draft doesnt it????
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Thanks mate, gee, pick 44, seems a long way down in such a shallow draft doesnt it????
Is a long way down. The problem is 10% that it is a shallow draft and 90% that our recruiters have a scheizenhousen record with any picks after the first round. Since 2004 Pattison, Polo, McGuane, Hughes, Casserly, Edwards, Connors, Peterson, Collins, Putt, Post, Hislop.
Of those I'm pretty happy with the potential of Post and Collins, McGuane and Polo good in patches but need to lift their games again, Pattison hack, Hislop will get a clean slate this year but needs to improve massively. That's it. Terrible recruiting.
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Thanks mate, gee, pick 44, seems a long way down in such a shallow draft doesnt it????
Is a long way down. The problem is 10% that it is a shallow draft and 90% that our recruiters have a scheizenhousen record with any picks after the first round. Since 2004 Pattison, Polo, McGuane, Hughes, Casserly, Edwards, Connors, Peterson, Collins, Putt, Post, Hislop.
Of those I'm pretty happy with the potential of Post and Collins, McGuane and Polo good in patches but need to lift their games again, Pattison hack, Hislop will get a clean slate this year but needs to improve massively. That's it. Terrible recruiting.
Yeah agree, not much to jump up and down about in that list is there?
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Andrew Lovett could go either west to Fremantle or north to Brisbane via different paths. His management has requested a three-year deal worth $1.2m. Freo are prepared to pay Lovett $1.5m over 3-years if he elects to remain out of contract until the pre-season draft in December at which the Dockers have the third selection. Under that scenario, Essendon would receive no compensation.
Port Adelaide coach Mark Williams, in need of an established ruckman to replace the recently retired Brendon Lade, has turned his attention to Carlton big man Shaun Hampson. Williams is believed to be prepared to on-trade to Carlton the first-round pick Port Adelaide would receive from Hawthorn should the two clubs agree on a suitable trade deal for Shaun Burgoyne. But his willingness to hand the Blues selection No.9 is not shared by the rest of his football department.
The Power has also sounded out the availability of Melbourne ruckman Mark Jamar.
Port Adelaide has requested Hawthorn's first selection and either Jordan Lewis or Grant Birchall to satisfy its end before releasing Burgoyne. However, the Hawks are resisting releasing either player.
Contracted West Coast utility Brent Staker could join Collingwood despite being recently entertained at the Gabba by Brisbane.
Sydney premiership player Amon Buchanan appears likely to exit the Swans by agreeing to be moved on next week.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26152643-5013406,00.html
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Anyone got the picks of all the teams so we can list them and look back at what we could get for our players, cheers. What is Brisbanes 3rd round pick that they are offering for Raines??
Here's the order before trade week.....
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10029.0
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It's becoming increasingly likely that Raines will br our only trade during trade week.. :(
looks like Coburg are going to have a great team in 2010.
Tuck, McMahon, Polak, Schulz, Pattison, Hislop, Thomson, Edwards, Putt, King, Connors, Browne, Gilligan, Gourdis.
:)
SOme of those can still be moved on .... those out of contract.... it's called de-listing :rollin
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Thanks mate, gee, pick 44, seems a long way down in such a shallow draft doesnt it????
Is a long way down. The problem is 10% that it is a shallow draft and 90% that our recruiters have a scheizenhousen record with any picks after the first round. Since 2004 Pattison, Polo, McGuane, Hughes, Casserly, Edwards, Connors, Peterson, Collins, Putt, Post, Hislop.
Of those I'm pretty happy with the potential of Post and Collins, McGuane and Polo good in patches but need to lift their games again, Pattison hack, Hislop will get a clean slate this year but needs to improve massively. That's it. Terrible recruiting.
It might not be the best recruiting jake but we haven't done much better or worse than most other sides as far as choosing players who 'make' it as an AFL player. Where we have failed is in choosing some that become great players, not just serviceable players. He is an interesting comparison with Geelong from a poster on tiger-talk:
The year we drafted JON we had 3 draft picks. Problem - no room for error.
Irrespective of strong or weak drafts, look at Geelong's draft years from 1999 thru 2001 when this team was primarily built. No rookies included here, only ND picks.
1999 - 8 picks - 4 hits - Corey, Chapman, Ling, Enright. So far only Corey was selected as their first selection and Chapman was their 5th selection in that draft. Ling their 6th and Enright their 7th.
2000 - 3 draft picks - 1 hit - Josh Hunt (tho Rooke was a rookie)
2001 - 8 draft picks - 4 hits - Bartel, Kelly, Johnson and Ablett (F/S)
They therefore missed on more than 50%, but unlike us, who had been keeping players like Schulz's, the Krakouer's etc on the list to long and having very few draft picks most years, they cast their nets wide enough to get the talent.
The other interesting thing I learned whilst checking this, was they had multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders.
This makes me think it's imperative to trade up as much as possible. Players like McMahon, Schulz, Hughes may still have a small amount of currency for other teams and we must make the most of it and then cast our net even wider than Geelong did.
But, whilst I would never say never, trading our top picks away for players is a short term way to achieve long term failure.
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/92436 (http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/92436)
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It might not be the best recruiting jake but we haven't done much better or worse than most other sides as far as choosing players who 'make' it as an AFL player. Where we have failed is in choosing some that become great players, not just serviceable players. He is an interesting comparison with Geelong from a poster on tiger-talk:
The year we drafted JON we had 3 draft picks. Problem - no room for error.
Irrespective of strong or weak drafts, look at Geelong's draft years from 1999 thru 2001 when this team was primarily built. No rookies included here, only ND picks.
1999 - 8 picks - 4 hits - Corey, Chapman, Ling, Enright. So far only Corey was selected as their first selection and Chapman was their 5th selection in that draft. Ling their 6th and Enright their 7th.
2000 - 3 draft picks - 1 hit - Josh Hunt (tho Rooke was a rookie)
2001 - 8 draft picks - 4 hits - Bartel, Kelly, Johnson and Ablett (F/S)
They therefore missed on more than 50%, but unlike us, who had been keeping players like Schulz's, the Krakouer's etc on the list to long and having very few draft picks most years, they cast their nets wide enough to get the talent.
The other interesting thing I learned whilst checking this, was they had multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders.
This makes me think it's imperative to trade up as much as possible. Players like McMahon, Schulz, Hughes may still have a small amount of currency for other teams and we must make the most of it and then cast our net even wider than Geelong did.
But, whilst I would never say never, trading our top picks away for players is a short term way to achieve long term failure.
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/92436 (http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/92436)
Its a good post. You can add Steve Johnson (24) and Matthew Stokes (61) to show how they've continued to develop there late picks.
Of course Geelong's entire situation is obscured as they got the best midfielder and defender in the land under the father-son rule. And then there is the question of how much is development and coming into a professional successful unit and how much good recruiting, but you are right those early picks Corey Chapman Ling Enright set them on the way.
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I agree - a good post that highlights part of our failing recruiting strategy int he past. Makes a lot of sense really - recruit as many as you can and, regardless of their initially selection order, see who rises to the top. We just haven't brought in enough kids every year and been too patient with the average achievers hoping they will realize their potential.
While I don't think we need to cull a player after two or three years in the system, if they fail to step up after this point (unless there is extenuating circumstances) then we should set them adrift. Players such as JON, Cogs, Hughes, Meyer, Petts and now Schulz were given far too much time. While I sit in hope Schulz will step up this year it is unlikely so he really should go. We can no longer afford to 'hope' a player will begin to perform - if they don't come on within the first few years they need to be replaced by players who do.
Success never comes by chance or miracle. It comes from hard work, hard decisions and hard times. This is where our recruiting and club is at.
Stripes
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Mark Harvey interviewed today:
"Peake is maybe heading towards St Kilda and Drum has been mentioned with Hawthorn and Geelong," Harvey confirmed.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85603/default.aspx
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wait till the bartering starts, we are there too offload. :thumbsup
Its the only course of action. The club needs to make sure it ends next week offloading atleast 3 or 4 list cloggers.
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Word out of Carlton is they are trying to weasel their way out of the McLean for pick 11 deal. They now want more for pick 11.
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Word out of Carlton is they are trying to weasel their way out of the McLean for pick 11 deal. They now want more for pick 11.
Opportunity for Richmond to cough up one of our list cloggers for a Demons 3rd round pick? Or if the Carlton deal for McLean falls over, Id suggest young Brock would be a very unhappy camper. Guess whose waiting 1st in the PSD queue after Melbourne lol. We should either try and involve ourselves by giving up a player to help the deal get done or we should try and wreck the deal so we can get McLean for free.
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DARREN JOLLY could be headed for Collingwood next year after telling Sydney he wants to return to Victoria for family reasons. Collingwood have offered pick 14. Up to Sydney to say if that's enough.
The Saints have offered pick 16 plus Luke Ball in exchange for Shaun Burgoyne.
Essendon also wants Burgoyne, and is understood to have packaged pick No. 10 and Andrew Lovett as bait.
However the Australian reports that Essendon has emerged as a potential new home for Luke Ball.
Lion Joel MacDonald is on the market and wants to return home to Victoria. He may be used in a trade for Lovett.
The Lions have re-signed Bradshaw so have denied they are after Fevola.
Port Adelaide contacted the Blues to learn what they wanted in return for Fevola and what he would cost the Power.
Collingwood want to put behaviourial clauses similar to Didak (no alcohol, 1am curfew) on Fevola if he joins them.
The Hawks were understood to be in contact Mark Seaby's management yesterday, although Sydney remains the front runner for the Eagle big man.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-make-jolly-offer/story-e6frf9jf-1225782324014
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/unhappy-lions-defender-asks-club-for-a-trade/2009/10/02/1254418714246.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157266-5012432,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157273-5012432,00.html
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Word out of Carlton is they are trying to weasel their way out of the McLean for pick 11 deal. They now want more for pick 11.
Opportunity for Richmond to cough up one of our list cloggers for a Demons 3rd round pick? Or if the Carlton deal for McLean falls over, Id suggest young Brock would be a very unhappy camper. Guess whose waiting 1st in the PSD queue after Melbourne lol. We should either try and involve ourselves by giving up a player to help the deal get done or we should try and wreck the deal so we can get McLean for free.
like your thinking, would love to snaffle McLean for nicks :cheers
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Word out of Carlton is they are trying to weasel their way out of the McLean for pick 11 deal. They now want more for pick 11.
Opportunity for Richmond to cough up one of our list cloggers for a Demons 3rd round pick? Or if the Carlton deal for McLean falls over, Id suggest young Brock would be a very unhappy camper. Guess whose waiting 1st in the PSD queue after Melbourne lol. We should either try and involve ourselves by giving up a player to help the deal get done or we should try and wreck the deal so we can get McLean for free.
Wasn't there a rumour going into 2008 that McLean would come to us in the pre season draft as we had first choice? Would love to have him at the club. Fits the age group we are after and plays inside too. Most of all if he can slip throigh to the pre season draft it won't cost us a thing. Would be fantastic. He is not under contract is he?
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Peake to the Saints
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/6139082/peake-poised-to-become-a-saint/
Rumour on SEN that Leon Davis and Malthouse might not be seeing eye to eye and could head back to WA.
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Word out of Carlton is they are trying to weasel their way out of the McLean for pick 11 deal. They now want more for pick 11.
Opportunity for Richmond to cough up one of our list cloggers for a Demons 3rd round pick? Or if the Carlton deal for McLean falls over, Id suggest young Brock would be a very unhappy camper. Guess whose waiting 1st in the PSD queue after Melbourne lol. We should either try and involve ourselves by giving up a player to help the deal get done or we should try and wreck the deal so we can get McLean for free.
I doubt Melbourne would let Mclean go for free, even if they would have to deal with Carltank.
Wasn't there a rumour going into 2008 that McLean would come to us in the pre season draft as we had first choice? Would love to have him at the club. Fits the age group we are after and plays inside too. Most of all if he can slip throigh to the pre season draft it won't cost us a thing. Would be fantastic. He is not under contract is he?
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DARREN JOLLY could be headed for Collingwood next year after telling Sydney he wants to return to Victoria for family reasons. Collingwood have offered pick 14. Up to Sydney to say if that's enough.
The Saints have offered pick 16 plus Luke Ball in exchange for Shaun Burgoyne.
Essendon also wants Burgoyne, and is understood to have packaged pick No. 10 and Andrew Lovett as bait.
However the Australian reports that Essendon has emerged as a potential new home for Luke Ball.
Lion Joel MacDonald is on the market and wants to return home to Victoria. He may be used in a trade for Lovett.
The Lions have re-signed Bradshaw so have denied they are after Fevola.
Port Adelaide contacted the Blues to learn what they wanted in return for Fevola and what he would cost the Power.
Collingwood want to put behaviourial clauses similar to Didak (no alcohol, 1am curfew) on Fevola if he joins them.
The Hawks were understood to be in contact Mark Seaby's management yesterday, although Sydney remains the front runner for the Eagle big man.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-make-jolly-offer/story-e6frf9jf-1225782324014
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/unhappy-lions-defender-asks-club-for-a-trade/2009/10/02/1254418714246.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157266-5012432,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157273-5012432,00.html
Bring on MacDonald.... straight swap for Raines..... :clapping :clapping :) :) :)
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Peake to Saints would mean no McMahon deal :(
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just looking at a couple of fringe players that could maybe go cheap from collingwood and was wondering what your thoughts was about them and if any of them could be alright for us(richmond)
Chris Dawes
#31 Collingwood Magpies
Age: 21yr 4mth Games: 10 Born: May 16, 1988
Height: 193cm Weight: 100kg Position: Forward
Nathan Brown
#16 Collingwood Magpies
Age: 20yr 9mth Games: 37 Born: December 17, 1988
Height: 195cm Weight: 97kg Position: Defender
Shannon Cox
#12 Collingwood Magpies
Age: 23yr 6mth Games: 25 Born: March 7, 1986
Height: 188cm Weight: 94kg Position: Defender, Forward
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DARREN JOLLY could be headed for Collingwood next year after telling Sydney he wants to return to Victoria for family reasons. Collingwood have offered pick 14. Up to Sydney to say if that's enough.
The Saints have offered pick 16 plus Luke Ball in exchange for Shaun Burgoyne.
Essendon also wants Burgoyne, and is understood to have packaged pick No. 10 and Andrew Lovett as bait.
However the Australian reports that Essendon has emerged as a potential new home for Luke Ball.
Lion Joel MacDonald is on the market and wants to return home to Victoria. He may be used in a trade for Lovett.
The Lions have re-signed Bradshaw so have denied they are after Fevola.
Port Adelaide contacted the Blues to learn what they wanted in return for Fevola and what he would cost the Power.
Collingwood want to put behaviourial clauses similar to Didak (no alcohol, 1am curfew) on Fevola if he joins them.
The Hawks were understood to be in contact Mark Seaby's management yesterday, although Sydney remains the front runner for the Eagle big man.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-make-jolly-offer/story-e6frf9jf-1225782324014
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/unhappy-lions-defender-asks-club-for-a-trade/2009/10/02/1254418714246.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157266-5012432,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157273-5012432,00.html
Bring on MacDonald.... straight swap for Raines..... :clapping :clapping :) :) :)
WAT you need to understand that other teams trash does not work out for us. It's failed abysmally for us in fact. You need to understand that we need to use the pick 44 from the Raines trade for a kid in the draft. Anything falls to the PSD then yes it does not cost us anything and we may consider depending on the quality of player available but not if there is a player from another club available instead of a draft pick.
Lets just keep our pick 44 and if its our turn in the PSD and McDonald fts a need or is the best player available for us then yes. Compromised draft and its make or break for the next 5 years for the club. FFS.
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PORT Adelaide has delivered a blunt warning to Hawthorn on the eve of trade week regarding Shaun Burgoyne - deal or no deal. Port wants pick 9 plus one of Lewis, Birchall or Schoenmakers in exchange for Shaun Burgoyne. Names such as Josh Kennedy, Gary Moss, Travis Tuck and Ben McGlynn were considered unsuitable as was Mitch Thorp. Port Adelaide remains confident a trade will take place, and Burgoyne will not slip through to the pre-season draft and end up in Demon colours.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-fuming-at-hawk-offers/story-e6frf9jf-1225782496648
Carlton will try to trade second round draft picks with the Demons, to move up the order, but Melbourne, having had its initial suggestion of McLean and pick 34 for picks 11 and 27 knocked back, will not allow that to happen.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/blues-test-demons/2009/10/03/1254418753743.html
Brisbane forward Rhan Hooper has almost certainly played his last AFL match for the club with a trade deal soon to be worked out.
Andrew Lovett leaving the Bombers in exchange for Michael Rischitelli and draft picks.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26160418-10389,00.html
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Peake to Saints would mean no McMahon deal :(
There is no McMahon deal Jezza - that died a natural (and fully understandable) death a couple of weeks ago.
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DARREN JOLLY could be headed for Collingwood next year after telling Sydney he wants to return to Victoria for family reasons. Collingwood have offered pick 14. Up to Sydney to say if that's enough.
The Saints have offered pick 16 plus Luke Ball in exchange for Shaun Burgoyne.
Essendon also wants Burgoyne, and is understood to have packaged pick No. 10 and Andrew Lovett as bait.
However the Australian reports that Essendon has emerged as a potential new home for Luke Ball.
Lion Joel MacDonald is on the market and wants to return home to Victoria. He may be used in a trade for Lovett.
The Lions have re-signed Bradshaw so have denied they are after Fevola.
Port Adelaide contacted the Blues to learn what they wanted in return for Fevola and what he would cost the Power.
Collingwood want to put behaviourial clauses similar to Didak (no alcohol, 1am curfew) on Fevola if he joins them.
The Hawks were understood to be in contact Mark Seaby's management yesterday, although Sydney remains the front runner for the Eagle big man.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-make-jolly-offer/story-e6frf9jf-1225782324014
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/unhappy-lions-defender-asks-club-for-a-trade/2009/10/02/1254418714246.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157266-5012432,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157273-5012432,00.html
Bring on MacDonald.... straight swap for Raines..... :clapping :clapping :) :) :)
WAT you need to understand that other teams trash does not work out for us. It's failed abysmally for us in fact. You need to understand that we need to use the pick 44 from the Raines trade for a kid in the draft. Anything falls to the PSD then yes it does not cost us anything and we may consider depending on the quality of player available but not if there is a player from another club available instead of a draft pick.
Lets just keep our pick 44 and if its our turn in the PSD and McDonald fts a need or is the best player available for us then yes. Compromised draft and its make or break for the next 5 years for the club. FFS.
Sorry TB for not "understanding" that a team is "re-built" (not my favourite word) from a mix of experienced and youthfull players. I did not say trade any of our early picks because I am dead against that unless we are recieving a player like Ablett (we can wish). At some stage we NEED experienced players instead of pick 44..... like Patto, Polo, Edwards.... do I need to go on!!!. Yes McDonald fits our team, and a straight swap for Raines would be nothing... that is what I am saying!! Pick 44 may as well be pick pick 444 these days!!!
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DARREN JOLLY could be headed for Collingwood next year after telling Sydney he wants to return to Victoria for family reasons. Collingwood have offered pick 14. Up to Sydney to say if that's enough.
The Saints have offered pick 16 plus Luke Ball in exchange for Shaun Burgoyne.
Essendon also wants Burgoyne, and is understood to have packaged pick No. 10 and Andrew Lovett as bait.
However the Australian reports that Essendon has emerged as a potential new home for Luke Ball.
Lion Joel MacDonald is on the market and wants to return home to Victoria. He may be used in a trade for Lovett.
The Lions have re-signed Bradshaw so have denied they are after Fevola.
Port Adelaide contacted the Blues to learn what they wanted in return for Fevola and what he would cost the Power.
Collingwood want to put behaviourial clauses similar to Didak (no alcohol, 1am curfew) on Fevola if he joins them.
The Hawks were understood to be in contact Mark Seaby's management yesterday, although Sydney remains the front runner for the Eagle big man.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-make-jolly-offer/story-e6frf9jf-1225782324014
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/unhappy-lions-defender-asks-club-for-a-trade/2009/10/02/1254418714246.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157266-5012432,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157273-5012432,00.html
Bring on MacDonald.... straight swap for Raines..... :clapping :clapping :) :) :)
yep that would work............NOT!!!
is there any player from another club that you have not wanted at Punt Road in the last 4 weeks
Seaby, Macdonald, Nicoski,
draft picks pal draft picks, not WA hacks and a 25 yr old bloke who was once charged for assault.
Spot on WA , exactly what we need at Punt Road :banghead
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DARREN JOLLY could be headed for Collingwood next year after telling Sydney he wants to return to Victoria for family reasons. Collingwood have offered pick 14. Up to Sydney to say if that's enough.
The Saints have offered pick 16 plus Luke Ball in exchange for Shaun Burgoyne.
Essendon also wants Burgoyne, and is understood to have packaged pick No. 10 and Andrew Lovett as bait.
However the Australian reports that Essendon has emerged as a potential new home for Luke Ball.
Lion Joel MacDonald is on the market and wants to return home to Victoria. He may be used in a trade for Lovett.
The Lions have re-signed Bradshaw so have denied they are after Fevola.
Port Adelaide contacted the Blues to learn what they wanted in return for Fevola and what he would cost the Power.
Collingwood want to put behaviourial clauses similar to Didak (no alcohol, 1am curfew) on Fevola if he joins them.
The Hawks were understood to be in contact Mark Seaby's management yesterday, although Sydney remains the front runner for the Eagle big man.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-make-jolly-offer/story-e6frf9jf-1225782324014
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/unhappy-lions-defender-asks-club-for-a-trade/2009/10/02/1254418714246.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157266-5012432,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157273-5012432,00.html
Bring on MacDonald.... straight swap for Raines..... :clapping :clapping :) :) :)
yep that would work............NOT!!!
is there any player from another club that you have not wanted at Punt Road in the last 4 weeks
Seaby, Macdonald, Nicoski,
draft picks pal draft picks, not WA hacks and a 25 yr old bloke who was once charged for assault.
Spot on WA , exactly what we need at Punt Road :banghead
Is there actually any player in the AFL or the RFC team that YOU wan't.... fffffffffffff..... :banghead, like I said at some stage we will need experience and I can not believe you don't get it. I did not say trade away draft picks so please read my posts before you TRY to quote them. Why in hell would you not take MacDonald for Raines????????
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DARREN JOLLY could be headed for Collingwood next year after telling Sydney he wants to return to Victoria for family reasons. Collingwood have offered pick 14. Up to Sydney to say if that's enough.
The Saints have offered pick 16 plus Luke Ball in exchange for Shaun Burgoyne.
Essendon also wants Burgoyne, and is understood to have packaged pick No. 10 and Andrew Lovett as bait.
However the Australian reports that Essendon has emerged as a potential new home for Luke Ball.
Lion Joel MacDonald is on the market and wants to return home to Victoria. He may be used in a trade for Lovett.
The Lions have re-signed Bradshaw so have denied they are after Fevola.
Port Adelaide contacted the Blues to learn what they wanted in return for Fevola and what he would cost the Power.
Collingwood want to put behaviourial clauses similar to Didak (no alcohol, 1am curfew) on Fevola if he joins them.
The Hawks were understood to be in contact Mark Seaby's management yesterday, although Sydney remains the front runner for the Eagle big man.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-make-jolly-offer/story-e6frf9jf-1225782324014
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/unhappy-lions-defender-asks-club-for-a-trade/2009/10/02/1254418714246.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157266-5012432,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157273-5012432,00.html
Bring on MacDonald.... straight swap for Raines..... :clapping :clapping :) :) :)
yep that would work............NOT!!!
is there any player from another club that you have not wanted at Punt Road in the last 4 weeks
Seaby, Macdonald, Nicoski,
draft picks pal draft picks, not WA hacks and a 25 yr old bloke who was once charged for assault.
Spot on WA , exactly what we need at Punt Road :banghead
Is there actually any player in the AFL or the RFC team that YOU wan't.... fffffffffffff..... :banghead, like I said at some stage we will need experience and I can not believe you don't get it. I did not say trade away draft picks so please read my posts before you TRY to quote them. Why in hell would you not take MacDonald for Raines????????
they want to deliver us 1 pick for Raines not Mcdonald for Raines
i want draft picks not a player who is 25 next week.
only someone who has little or no idea about the game would want someone like Mcdonald at our REBUILDING club.
If the RFC had any brains they would wait till the last day before dealing with Brisbane, then if they offload Mcdonald we should insist on a second rounder for Raines.
They obviously dont rate him and are hoping Raines takes his spot.
We need to blood our own classy players through the draft and spend $$$ on developing then. Clearly you have an issue understanding this
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DARREN JOLLY could be headed for Collingwood next year after telling Sydney he wants to return to Victoria for family reasons. Collingwood have offered pick 14. Up to Sydney to say if that's enough.
The Saints have offered pick 16 plus Luke Ball in exchange for Shaun Burgoyne.
Essendon also wants Burgoyne, and is understood to have packaged pick No. 10 and Andrew Lovett as bait.
However the Australian reports that Essendon has emerged as a potential new home for Luke Ball.
Lion Joel MacDonald is on the market and wants to return home to Victoria. He may be used in a trade for Lovett.
The Lions have re-signed Bradshaw so have denied they are after Fevola.
Port Adelaide contacted the Blues to learn what they wanted in return for Fevola and what he would cost the Power.
Collingwood want to put behaviourial clauses similar to Didak (no alcohol, 1am curfew) on Fevola if he joins them.
The Hawks were understood to be in contact Mark Seaby's management yesterday, although Sydney remains the front runner for the Eagle big man.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pies-make-jolly-offer/story-e6frf9jf-1225782324014
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/unhappy-lions-defender-asks-club-for-a-trade/2009/10/02/1254418714246.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157266-5012432,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26157273-5012432,00.html
Bring on MacDonald.... straight swap for Raines..... :clapping :clapping :) :) :)
yep that would work............NOT!!!
is there any player from another club that you have not wanted at Punt Road in the last 4 weeks
Seaby, Macdonald, Nicoski,
draft picks pal draft picks, not WA hacks and a 25 yr old bloke who was once charged for assault.
Spot on WA , exactly what we need at Punt Road :banghead
Is there actually any player in the AFL or the RFC team that YOU wan't.... fffffffffffff..... :banghead, like I said at some stage we will need experience and I can not believe you don't get it. I did not say trade away draft picks so please read my posts before you TRY to quote them. Why in hell would you not take MacDonald for Raines????????
Clearly you have an issue understanding this
No just understanding you, 25 years old is he......... washed up then!!! ::)
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:pray :prayport are after a running half back. might they take mcmuffin off our hands
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According to Ch 7 news in Perth
To Brisbane: Buchanan and Staker ......(giving up Dalziell + pick 28)
To Sydney: Seaby + pick 28 ........(giving up Buchanan + pick 22)
To Eagles: Dalziell + pick 22 ...... (giving up Seaby and Staker)
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According to Ch 7 news in Perth
To Brisbane: Buchanan and Staker ......(giving up Dalziell + pick 28)
To Sydney: Seaby + pick 28 ........(giving up Buchanan + pick 22)
To Eagles: Dalziell + pick 22 ...... (giving up Seaby and Staker)
Eagles did well out of that if it does go that way.
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Eagles are going to be very good next year.
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Eagles are going to be very good next year.
Nup but they'll be better than us. :-[
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Eagles are going to be very good next year.
Nup but they'll be better than us. :-[
agreed.
but then probly 15 teams will be better then us.
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Darren Jolly appears certain to join Collingwood according to Greg Denham. Manager Paul Connors was yesterday confident Sydney would accept the Magpies' first selection No.14 overall, in return for Jolly. However Paul Roos said yesterday that would not be good enough. The Swans hoping either for a higher pick or something in addition to Collingwood's first pick.
Luke Ball, despite having a three-year contract offer on the table, has had offers from Essendon and Port Adelaide, with Collingwood today expected to show interest. Ball has refused to entertain Port as an alternative, and has indicated that the Bombers are not his favourite option. The Age says Richmond and Melbourne aren't interested in Ball.
Essendon, which has made Port's Shaun Burgoyne its top priority, is also keen to lure the out-of-contract Ball, while St Kilda would entertain a trade with the Bombers involving midfielder Andrew Lovett.
St Kilda has all-but brokered a deal with Fremantle for quick midfielder Brett Peake.
Carlton is one of the clubs linked to Demon Simon Buckley, with the Blues also believed to be interested in Daniel Bell.
Melbourne and Carlton have spoken to Bulldog Andrejs Everitt about a possible move.
Sydney is well advanced in discussions over Hawk Josh Kennedy via a draft pick.
Carlton's in-principal deal with Melbourne over Brock McLean is certain to go through, with the Blues asking the Demons if they can add a later pick to the pick 11 that Carlton has agreed to hand over.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/saint-plays-hard-ball/story-e6frf9jf-1225782695035
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/darren-jolly-good-deal-is-vital/story-e6frf9if-1225782698159
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26164117-5013406,00.html
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/ball-poised-to-leave-the-saints/2009/10/04/1254590908387.html
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/fev-unlikely-to-become-a-pie/2009/10/04/1254590908381.html
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Speculation on Ch 10 news tonight that the Eagles are interested in Leon Davis.
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Speculation on Ch 10 news tonight that the Eagles are interested in Leon Davis.
Half a replacement for Wirrpanda there. He'll do well with the Eagles especially if they don't play finals as he's a bona fide flat track bully.
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So what are people expecting our next trade to be: what should we be looking out for as the next completed RFC deal?
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Dealings with Port will be next imo:
Simmonds and Schulz or Hughes
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I reckon we will shop the obvious - McMahon, Tuck, Schulz, Hughes
I wouldn't be surprsied if we shop Connors & graham (well I'd shop Graham ;D)
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So what are people expecting our next trade to be: what should we be looking out for as the next completed RFC deal?
Something that gets us another top 30 pick, I hope.
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Luke Ball has walked out of St Kilda and according to SEN wants to go to Collingwood
http://www.saints.com.au/season2009/news/newsarticle/tabid/5315/newsid/85760/default.aspx
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Collingwood will still lack someone who can break the lines even with Ball as he is very slow. Will be another Skunk player who can get the pill however. Of course Collingwood will make out that they have won the flag if they get him.
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Ball=Glorified version of Cogs.
gee i hope the Pies get him and send them backwards again.
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Collingwood will still lack someone who can break the lines even with Ball as he is very slow. Will be another Skunk player who can get the pill however. Of course Collingwood will make out that they have won the flag if they get him.
Yep, just the player they don't need.
And another laugh at Collingwood for chasing Darren Jolly after they thought they won the jackpot giving up pick 14 for "young superstar" Cam Wood.
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There looking at a replacement for Fraser TA :thumbsup
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What do we think of the Lions trade day today and apparently they have not finished. Are they a bit far ahead of themselves ala Richmond in 96 after we had a bumper year in 95??
I can see similiarities and with these older players they have selected and the age of some of the Lions now going into next year they could fall on their sword in a couple of years.
I think there needs to be a ballance of youth and experience but have they overdone the experience side of things???
Thoughts..
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There looking at a replacement for Fraser TA :thumbsup
Mick only likes the one ruckman though as we know, and Jolly is miles better than Wood so their pick 14 young start will be stuck in the VFL. Again.
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I think Voss has erred. He should have taken kids in the draft. Hes topping up will cost them down the track.
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Collingwood offered pick 30 for Fevola :wallywink. The Blues of course said no.
Sydney wants pick 47 from the Bulldogs for Barry Hall. Hall has suggested he will want $50,000 more to join the Dogs if he has to make his way to them through the PSD.
The Kangaroos are understood to be working to secure Brisbane defender Joel McDonald, possibly for pick 41.
Hawthorn are trying to get pick 28 from Sydney for Josh Kennedy, who has agreed to financial terms with Sydney.
St Kilda has been linked to Bulldog defender Andrejs Everitt. The Dogs believe the Saints' first pick (#16) is on the table but the Saints may want to use that pick elsewhere (Andrew Lovett). Carlton has offered pick 26 for Everitt but the Dogs want a top 20 pick in exchange.
Lovett and the Bombers second pick could go to St Kilda in exchange for pick 16 and [/b]Matt Maguire[/b].
Port Adelaide has aggressively sought a ruckmen expressing interest in Shane Mumford (Geelong), Mark Jamar (Melbourne), Jonathon Griffin (Adelaide) and Shaun Hampson (Carlton). Sydney is also interested in Mumford.
Mumford has been made an extraordinary offer of about $900,000 for three years - a figure the Cats can get nowhere near - by the Swans. The may also lose Wojcinski due to salary cap pressure.
Collingwood is understood to be prepared to consider a trade for Leon Davis to Perth, where he is from, or Adelaide where his partner is from, if the right deal was available.
Geelong is in talks about Fremantle's Marcus Drum.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26169521-5013406,00.html
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/ball-wants-to-be-a-magpie/2009/10/05/1254700978231.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/luke-ball-wants-to-be-a-magpie/story-e6frf9jf-1225783067248
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I think Voss has erred. He should have taken kids in the draft. Hes topping up will cost them down the track.
Reminds me of us in 2001.
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Peter Rhode from Port neither confirmed nor denied that Melbourne are involved in Burgoyne discussions. So SEN is saying the Dees are involved. Burgoyne met with Bailey and Davey at Collins st today at around noon apparently.
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Peter Rhode from Port neither confirmed nor denied that Melbourne were involved in Burgoyne discussions. So SEN is saying the Dees are involved.
The Dees would want to avoid trading pick 2.
It'll have to be 11 and Sylvia maybe??
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Peter Rhode from Port neither confirmed nor denied that Melbourne were involved in Burgoyne discussions. So SEN is saying the Dees are involved.
The Dees would want to avoid trading pick 2.
It'll have to be 11 and Sylvia maybe??
Pick 11 and Jamar is the SEN rumour.
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i imagen 1,2,11 would be untouchable due to there development plan they got.
i rkn 18+jamar would be the best they would be offering
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Peter Rhode from Port neither confirmed nor denied that Melbourne were involved in Burgoyne discussions. So SEN is saying the Dees are involved.
The Dees would want to avoid trading pick 2.
It'll have to be 11 and Sylvia maybe??
Or just bringing him over on the sly to try and convince him to go PSD? Burgoyne wont want to knife Port, but at the same time he wont want to cost his new club two players when he can cost them nothing. Port should be very wary and are taking a risk if they knock back pick 11.
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Burgoyne's manager has come out and denied that Shaun has met with Melbourne at all this trade week.
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This may sound strange but the most pleasing aspect for me in the build up to this trade period has been the lack of interest from other clubs in negotiating with us. They now all know that we are not going to make the stupid mistakes we have done in the past by willingly handing over our valuable trade picks for recycled players. Sure the trade off is that it makes it more difficult for us to offload players but so far things look good with us so far having one more draft pick that what we started with and I hope this trend continues. :thumbsup
No longer is the RFC an easy touch!!
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SEN rumour from Mark Fine
Sydney have offered Fev a 4 year deal. A three way trade involving the Pies and Jolly. The sticking point is Fev's wife Alex doesn't want to move to Sydney.
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Sydney have offered Fev a 4 year deal. A three way trade involving the Pies and Jolly. The sticking point is Fev's wife Alex doesn't want to move to Sydney.
Well what Mrs Fev says goes you know :rollin
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The sticking point is Fev's wife Alex doesn't want to move to Sydney.
Why not, they could swing with the Bingle-Clarkes....
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SEN rumour from Mark Fine
Sydney have offered Fev a 4 year deal. A three way trade involving the Pies and Jolly. The sticking point is Fev's wife Alex doesn't want to move to Sydney.
thats what they have us believe.
the day i believe anything that comes out of princess park is the day im 10 foot under
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SEN rumour from Mark Fine
Sydney have offered Fev a 4 year deal. A three way trade involving the Pies and Jolly. The sticking point is Fev's wife Alex doesn't want to move to Sydney.
For those worried about the positive effect Fevola could have at Collingwood, this scenario is much more dangerous. Sydney is a club that could (and is much more likely to) get him playing team-oriented match-winning football and they would be very very competitive with him in the 22.
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For those worried about the positive effect Fevola could have at Collingwood, this scenario is much more dangerous. Sydney is a club that could (and is much more likely to) get him playing team-oriented match-winning football and they would be very very competitive with him in the 22.
Difference is I couldn't give a rats how many premierships Sydney win though I desperately don't want the pies to win anything.
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For those worried about the positive effect Fevola could have at Collingwood, this scenario is much more dangerous. Sydney is a club that could (and is much more likely to) get him playing team-oriented match-winning football and they would be very very competitive with him in the 22.
Difference is I couldn't give a rats how many premierships Sydney win though I desperately don't want the pies to win anything.
;D Good point!
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SEN rumour from Mark Fine
Sydney have offered Fev a 4 year deal. A three way trade involving the Pies and Jolly. The sticking point is Fev's wife Alex doesn't want to move to Sydney.
Can confirm this is correct.
4 year deal at $800,000 year
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SEN rumour from Mark Fine
Sydney have offered Fev a 4 year deal. A three way trade involving the Pies and Jolly. The sticking point is Fev's wife Alex doesn't want to move to Sydney.
Can confirm this is correct.
4 year deal at $800,000 year
Strange. I take it that his contract is not then voided but it's a 2 year extension on top of the 1.4 million over 2 years he's already owed. :help :help
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Fev to Sydney
Jolly to Skunks
What do the Carlscum get?
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Fev to Sydney
Jolly to Skunks
What do the Carlscum get?
What they deserve? >:(
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Probably 14 and a decent player from Sydney. Vespremi?
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Fev to Sydney
Jolly to Skunks
What do the Carlscum get?
What they deserve? >:(
Eternal misery and failure would be nice hey Smokey :lol :rollin :lol
I hope Sydney keep Jesse White. I think he will be a very good forward for them. Would hate to see him turn into a really good player for Carlton. I want to see Carlton fail abysmally. Yep its what they deserve and I hope its what happens.
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Probably 14 and a decent player from Sydney. Vespremi?
Collingwood will surely have to give up more than 14. Roos has already said that they drafted Jolly @ 15 and made him a far better player so they value him higher than that.
Imagine something like this might be the go
Sydney
Gain: Fev
Lose: Jolly and 38
Carlton
Gain: 14 and a player from Collingwood (Cloke?)
Lose: Fev
Collingwood
Gain: Jolly and 38
Lose: 14 and e.g. Cloke
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percentage wise, Fevola's chances to go to Sydney?
:)
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Cloke at Carlton :lol :rollin :lol
The Cheating Scums will never recover. :help
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i have been told fev still wants to come to richmond and that we are holding back and if he is stll available at the last minute will make a play 4 him
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Fev @ Richmond would not be the end of the world.
As long as we keep pick #3
Thursfeild would sleep well @ night!
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Fev won't be kept by the blues if no trade can be done. Serious anger between some of the best players. We could pick him up in the PSD.
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All the trade moves after Day 2 of trade week
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WE TAKE a look at your club's trade movements in the first two days of AFL trade week and preview today's likely wheelings and dealings.
ADELAIDE
Close to irrelevant. Likely to do nothing as it rates its list.
BRISBANE LIONS
Not done yet. Missed out on Andrew Lovett and was entertaining Michael Rischitelli in that trade. There is speculation that it has one more shot to fire. That could be Xavier Clarke from St Kilda for a third or fourth-round pick.
CARLTON
Speculation mounting about Sydney's interest on Brendan Fevola. Is waiting on the Swans and the Darren Jolly-Magpies swap, which is taking time to unfold. Still some chance that Fev might remain a Blue.
COLLINGWOOD
Did nothing yesterday. Wants only to offer pick 14 for Darren Jolly and Sydney wants more. Met St Kilda about Luke Ball and the Saints want players. Another thought is the Magpies won't offer a first-round pick, so can't get Ball.
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ESSENDON
Did the deal for Andrew Lovett, which seems skinny. The club says it is rapt, but considering Melbourne got pick 11 for Brock McLean, it seems unders. Still, it had to get rid of him. Leaves it with two first-rounders.
FREMANTLE
Interest in Brett Peake from St Kilda and Sydney, and Marcus Drum from Geelong and Collingwood. Want five picks under 50.
GEELONG
Shane Mumford will go to Sydney if Darren Jolly leaves, and with $300,000 a year in his pocket to buy sausages. As for David Wojcinski, there is no money available and likely to take a two-year offer elsewhere.
HAWTHORN
Have done the deal for Shaun Burgoyne, with the details to be revealed tomorrow. It will involve pick nine and a player. Meanwhile, could reluctantly send Josh Kennedy to Sydney. <
MELBOURNE
Trying to push players into the pre-season draft. Mark Jamar will stay. Unconfirmed reports on radio yesterday that Shaun Burgoyne shared breakfast with Aaron Davey and the coach yesterday. Daniel Bell is on the table (Blues).
NORTH MELBOURNE
Interested in Brisbane's Joel McDonald, but seems very quiet apart from that. Has Hawthorn's second and third round picks if a player comes onto the radar.
PORT ADELAIDE
The Power were distraught to miss out on Andrew Lovett, but has instead traded Shaun Burgoyne to Hawthorn. In return, it receives a pick and a player. The Power is still in line for a ruckman, and will swap young Victorian Mitch Farmer for Richmond's Jay Schulz.
RICHMOND
Quiet. Check your buzzer Richmond, it's still working. No real interest in Shane Tuck. Clubs could get him for free later on.
ST KILDA
Chuffed about Andrew Lovett, and is looking at possibly moving Xaviar Clarke to Brisbane. Wants Brett Peake from Fremantle, so up and about. As for Luke Ball, who wants out, the price is not yet right for a trade to the Pies.
SYDNEY
Speculation mounting about a bid for Brendan Fevola, but the club denies it. Is interested in Brett Peake from Fremantle, and has a huge offer on the table for Mumford. Wants Hawk Josh Kennedy for a third-rounder.
WEST COAST
Traded Brent Staker and Mark Seaby, and that might be it. Seemingly fired their shots for the week. Don't seem to have the advertised interest in Leon Davis.
WESTERN BULLDOGS
Barry Hall is done, and at good value. Now the club has to decide whether to muster up a last-ditch bid for Brendan Fevola.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/all-the-trade-moves-after-day-2-of-trade-week/story-e6frf9jf-1225783565277
I would have expected us to play a little bit more of a part so far appart from trading Raines for pick 44. I mean if we are serious I thought Brown, Schulz (maybe tomorrow), Edwards, Polo and maybe a few other names could have been thrown around. Really since Brown coming to the the club trade week has been very, very boring for us and we have still remained at the bottom.
Perhaps we need to be a bit more agressive during this period.
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i have been told fev still wants to come to richmond and that we are holding back and if he is stll available at the last minute will make a play 4 him
Have you also heard if he has learnt his lesson yet TTII???
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Richmond is considering a trade for Port Adelaide's small defender Mitch Farmer.
Brian Lake will re-sign with the Dogs for 4-years today according to the Herald-Sun
Hawthorn and Port agreed they would deal on Shaun Burgoyne, with the Hawks pick nine and a player going to the Power. Herald-Sun is not sure if that player is Mark Williams or one of the Hawks outside runners.
Sources close to Carlton said the Swans had offered a deal for Fevola, or were preparing to, which would see Jolly to Collingwood, Fevola to Sydney, and pick 14 to the Blues. While Carlton is desperate to off-load Fevola, it is certain to want more than pick 14. Roos was adamant yesterday Sydney's pick No. 6 would not be involved in any negotiations.
Bulldogs appear likely to lure Eagle Mark Nicoski for a late draft pick.
North Melbourne seems likely to secure Joel Macdonald from Brisbane
Xavier Clarke has been linked to Brisbane, possibly for a fourth-round selection
The Saints still want Andrejs Everitt and under one scenario floated, they could secure him through the Luke Ball trade to Collingwood, asking the Pies to find another pick in the same bracket of picks (under pick 22) for Ball so they can pass that on to the Dogs for Everitt.
Geelong is interested in North Melbourne's talented but injury-prone defender Jess Smith, who has been offered a one-year contract by the Kangaroos.
The Cats have also shown some interest in Fremantle's Marcus Drum.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/kevin-sheedy-helps-bring-x-factor-andrew-lovett-to-st-kilda/story-e6frf9l6-1225783536955
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dogs-lock-lake-down/story-e6frf9nx-1225783552155
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/lake-told-to-sign-or-be-traded/2009/10/06/1254701019830.html
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percentage wise, Fevola's chances to go to Sydney?
:)
My mail is 80% :shh
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all the bad boys come to Richmond Jack :shh
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i have been told fev still wants to come to richmond and that we are holding back and if he is stll available at the last minute will make a play 4 him
:thumbsup
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all the bad boys come to Richmond Jack :shh
stupid decision if your rumour is true. also heard a rumour we are trying to swap tuck for harris at norf- that to is also a rubbish trade, farmer only because he can fill a role in a back pocket is a passable trade for schulz if we get a picks upgrade. lets hope the club doesnt stuff this up with only 3 days to go.
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all the bad boys come to Richmond Jack :shh
stupid decision if your rumour is true. also heard a rumour we are trying to swap tuck for harris at norf- that to is also a rubbish trade, farmer only because he can fill a role in a back pocket is a passable trade for schulz if we get a picks upgrade. lets hope the club doesnt stuff this up with only 3 days to go.
i heard that as well Ramps on SEN this morning
Tuck for Harris
hahahahaha that would be the equivalent of signing Mclovin up for another 2 years thats how high i rate Daniel Harris. He is stuffin useless that bloke
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they need a hardman like me down there ;D l chop the head off the rooster 1st then axe all the chickens :rollin ;D
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they need a hardman like me down there ;D l chop the head off the rooster 1st then axe all the chickens :rollin ;D
Your a bad man monkey - chopping the heads of roosters and chickens. The RSPCA wont like you monk ;D
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they need a hardman like me down there ;D l chop the head off the rooster 1st then axe all the chickens :rollin ;D
Your a bad man monkey - chopping the heads of roosters and chickens. The RSPCA wont like you monk ;D
l was born a killer ;D we eat them all ;D
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all the bad boys come to Richmond Jack :shh
stupid decision if your rumour is true. also heard a rumour we are trying to swap tuck for harris at norf- that to is also a rubbish trade, farmer only because he can fill a role in a back pocket is a passable trade for schulz if we get a picks upgrade. lets hope the club doesnt stuff this up with only 3 days to go.
i heard that as well Ramps on SEN this morning
Tuck for Harris
hahahahaha that would be the equivalent of signing Mclovin up for another 2 years thats how high i rate Daniel Harris. He is effin useless that bloke
Oh good, it was only on SEN. Would be a pathetic trade.
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Club needs to stay focused on trading out what it can. We dont need to be involved in any mega deals. Keep it simple and get some more picks if possible.
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I thought we weren't taking any short cuts any more?! :banghead
We should be trading for picks not players. No one gives up players for nothing. If we get Harris for Tuck I will be ropable! >:(
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I thought we weren't taking any short cuts any more?! :banghead
We should be trading for picks not players. No one gives up players for nothing. If we get Harris for Tuck I will be ropable! >:(
Its unfortunate that Richmond always stuffs up in the last 2 or 3 days of trading. I cant remember the last time they didnt make mistakes. The farmer/schulz deal is only a good deal if we get a decent upgrade in later round picks.
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I thought we weren't taking any short cuts any more?! :banghead
We should be trading for picks not players. No one gives up players for nothing. If we get Harris for Tuck I will be ropable! >:(
Harris was delised, surely North will offload him anyway. Keep Tuck and pick up Harris in PSD.
I actually grew up with Daniels cousins who also is a Richmond supporter. I'm sure I'm bias but I've always thought he was an OK player.
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Hawthorn have put Campbell Brown up for trade to appease Port in exchange for Burgoyne. Up to Brown to agree to go.
Hawk fans are going nuts lol.
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Hawthorn have put Campbell Brown up for trade to appease Port in exchange for Burgoyne. Up to Brown to agree to go.
Hawk fans are going nuts lol.
Kennett now on SEN saying it's all rubbish and it's not going to happen. ::)
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Funny that they chased Gibson because they have deficiencies down back and then offer up Brown. Go figure.
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what is going on at Hawthorn?
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SEN saying Rucci is sticking to his story. Saying Port will be meeting Brown and Hawthorn has given them permission.
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I thought we weren't taking any short cuts any more?! :banghead
We should be trading for picks not players. No one gives up players for nothing. If we get Harris for Tuck I will be ropable! >:(
Agreed.
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I thought we weren't taking any short cuts any more?! :banghead
We should be trading for picks not players. No one gives up players for nothing. If we get Harris for Tuck I will be ropable! >:(
Agreed.
what? Daniel Harris for Shane Tuck?
trade for a fourth round pick for Tuck!
:)
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RICHMOND
Quiet. Check your buzzer Richmond, it's still working. No real interest in Shane Tuck. Clubs could get him for free later on.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/all-the-trade-moves-after-day-2-of-trade-week/story-e6frf9jf-1225783565277
Who wrote this? How can he go for free as he's still under contract?
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RICHMOND
Quiet. Check your buzzer Richmond, it's still working. No real interest in Shane Tuck. Clubs could get him for free later on.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/all-the-trade-moves-after-day-2-of-trade-week/story-e6frf9jf-1225783565277
Who wrote this? How can he go for free as he's still under contract?
And what about the Raines trade? We've been more involved than a lot of others. :wallywink
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RICHMOND
Quiet. Check your buzzer Richmond, it's still working. No real interest in Shane Tuck. Clubs could get him for free later on.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/all-the-trade-moves-after-day-2-of-trade-week/story-e6frf9jf-1225783565277
Who wrote this? How can he go for free as he's still under contract?
And what about the Raines trade? We've been more involved than a lot of others. :wallywink
More involved with crap tardes perhaps but not with the pointy end where we should be, lets wait for the end of the week though!! :shh
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More involved with crap trades perhaps but not with the pointy end where we should be, lets wait for the end of the week though!! :shh
I'd like to know how we can be involved in pointy end trades when we've only got crap to trade with?
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Yep, it's amazing how much poo posters give players in the season, and yet somehow their value spikes during trade week. It's ridiculous.
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Yep, it's amazing how much poo posters give players in the season, and yet somehow their value spikes during trade week. It's ridiculous.
:clapping Yep very amusing.
We have been under performing for years and people expect good value from our rejects. :o AS IF
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i have been told fev still wants to come to richmond and that we are holding back and if he is stll available at the last minute will make a play 4 him
Newman for Fev - straight swap
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Miller and Jamar have re-signed with the Dees - source: AFL site
SEN caller just said Fev to Brisbane for Bradshaw and Rischitelli (sp?) is "a done deal" :wallywink
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OK i appreciate that Fev is on the outer where his teamates are concerned.
But some of these comments saying that he will not be at the Blues next year if a trade isn't done just doesn't work for me.
There is no way in hell he will go to the PSD. For that to happen Carlton will have to pay him out of his contract ( approx 1.2 - 1.4 mil ) and delist him.
This aint gonna happen. :)
For what it's worth i want him to stay at the Blues, just so we can all sit back and watch the show. ;D
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Rucci saying Port wrote down a list of Hawk players they wanted and Hawthorn wrote down a list of players they were willing to trade away. When both lists were compared the only matching name was Campbell Brown so Port expected to get him either today or tomorrow. However Brown is contracted so he had the final say and he said no to going.
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SEN caller just said Fev to Brisbane for Bradshaw and Rischitelli (sp?) is "a done deal" :wallywink
The same Bradshaw that signed a new contract with Brisbane last week?? :rollin ;)
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Well, the newspapers have got a hold of the Fev to Brisbane story! Seems like it might be on.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2009/10/07/1254701056256.html (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2009/10/07/1254701056256.html)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/lions-closing-in-on-brendan-fevola/story-e6frf9jf-1225783885504 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/lions-closing-in-on-brendan-fevola/story-e6frf9jf-1225783885504)
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ROFL, Voss must have lost his marbles.
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Bradshaw & Rischitelli for Fevola?
no draft picks?
:)
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SEN caller just said Fev to Brisbane for Bradshaw and Rischitelli (sp?) is "a done deal" :wallywink
The same Bradshaw that signed a new contract with Brisbane last week?? :rollin ;)
A new contract means nothing if the player agrees to go. As Wildside said all the media outlets are running with the Fev to Brisbane story. "Close to a deal" is what they are saying.
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SEN caller just said Fev to Brisbane for Bradshaw and Rischitelli (sp?) is "a done deal" :wallywink
The same Bradshaw that signed a new contract with Brisbane last week?? :rollin ;)
A new contract means nothing if the player agrees to go. As Wildside said all the media outlets are running with the Fev to Brisbane story. "Close to a deal" is what they are saying.
Absolutely but it's very rare to trade a contracted player one week after signing.
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Ch 10 news saying Essendon has offered Hawk Mark Williams a 3-year deal. They may on-trade pick 16 they got from St Kilda to Hawthorn for Williams.
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Ch 10 news saying Essendon has offered Hawk Mark Williams a 3-year deal. They may on-trade pick 16 they got from St Kilda to Hawthorn for Williams.
a first round pick?
Hawthorn should take it! and maybe give it to Port Adelaide?
:)
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Ch 7 just reported that Fevola is very close to going to Brisbane for Daniel and Michael.
i think they said that is is up to Bradshaw?
:)
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Ch 10 news saying Essendon has offered Hawk Mark Williams a 3-year deal. They may on-trade pick 16 they got from St Kilda to Hawthorn for Williams.
a first round pick?
Hawthorn should take it! and maybe give it to Port Adelaide?
:)
Yeah that would be the plan torch
Williams to Bombers for pick 16 then Hawthorn trades picks 9 & 16 to Port for Burgoyne
As for Brisbane and Fev - what that deal proves is Brisbane are very concerned about sliding down the ladder with GC17 about to roll in 2011. Topping up seems to be their thing this year
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A forward line of Brown and Fevola is a scary proposition. Fev likes to lead right out will get in Brown's way. Vossie will have to work it out. Could be anything that fwd combo but may have teething problems too.
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Ch 7 just reported that Fevola is very close to going to Brisbane for Daniel and Michael.
i think they said that is is up to Bradshaw?
:)
Yep
It is believed the two clubs have agreed to the deal, and are just waiting on the approval of the two Lions before making the trade official.
Both Lions, who are originally from Victoria, are expected to meet with Carlton officials in Melbourne tomorrow.
http://www.sportsentral.com/pro/main/storyreader.aspx?sid=18228&sr=all
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RICHMOND
Quiet. Check your buzzer Richmond, it's still working. No real interest in Shane Tuck. Clubs could get him for free later on.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/all-the-trade-moves-after-day-2-of-trade-week/story-e6frf9jf-1225783565277
Who wrote this? How can he go for free as he's still under contract?
Who wrote this? A pea brain.
As for Harris for Tuck :rollin. Every year we get linked to Harris and he's another who has been told he'll be delisted. Sheesh we might as well have kept Cogs.
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Ch 7 just reported that Fevola is very close to going to Brisbane for Daniel and Michael.
i think they said that is is up to Bradshaw?
:)
Yep
It is believed the two clubs have agreed to the deal, and are just waiting on the approval of the two Lions before making the trade official.
Both Lions, who are originally from Victoria, are expected to meet with Carlton officials in Melbourne tomorrow.
http://www.sportsentral.com/pro/main/storyreader.aspx?sid=18228&sr=all
If that's the trade then Carlton must be really desperate to offload Fev. They are getting done over in that trade. Bradshaw is 31 and would have just 2 years left in him while Rischitelli is a middle of the road footballer who can play pressure points with Judd at Princes Park.
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Collingwood has secured Darren Jolly from Sydney in exchange for picks 14 and 46
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jolly-joins-collingwood-from-sydney-in-trade-week/story-e6frf9ix-1225784004377
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so much for Roosy asking for a player with Pick 14. hahahaha all talk no action
watch them trump Lions now with a pick 14 and a descent player for Fev
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Good to see the Pies topping up thinking they are close to a flag. By the time Bucks takes over post 2011 they'll have quite a few players retired or retiring from their current list leaving a few more gaping holes to the ones that already exists. Giving 100% with an inferior list can only get you so far........ no Premiership.......... :lol :rollin :lol
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Good to see the Pies topping up thinking they are close to a flag. By the time Bucks takes over post 2011 they'll have quite a few players retired or retiring from their current list leaving a few more gaping holes to the ones that already exists. Giving 100% with an inferior list can only get you so far........ no Premiership.......... :lol :rollin :lol
LOL yep Bucks won't be happy that Micky is recruiting just for the next two years only. It's going to be a tense time off-field at Pieland :yep and Fraser and Wood will be very nervous tonight.
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Defender Jesse Smith wants out of North
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85841/default.aspx
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Defender Jesse Smith wants out of North
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85841/default.aspx
We should try hard to get him
v highly rated 04
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Another defender??? Maybe McGuane and Moore are going forward next year.... :rollin
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Defender Jesse Smith wants out of North
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85841/default.aspx
We should try hard to get him
v highly rated 04
Apparently his ankles are shot to the point that two clubs (collingwood & hawthorn i think) have already gone cold on him after medical advice
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Another defender??? Maybe McGuane and Moore are going forward next year.... :rollin
he is not a key defender
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Another defender??? Maybe McGuane and Moore are going forward next year.... :rollin
he is not a key defender
He is not an anything hence my...... :rollin
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Has the potential to be a gun.
Would rather him than Mitch bloody Farmer
Jesse W Smith
Details:
Club: Aberfeldie/Calder
DOB: 29 September 1986 Hgt: 190cm Wgt: 80kg
Position: Half Back Flank
Natural Foot: Right
Honours:
Victoria Metro 2004
All Australian 2004
Larke Medal (best player in Division 1 of Under 18 carnival) 2004
Half Back Flank in TAC Cup Team of the Year 2004
TAC Stats:
2003: 17 games, 9 goals, 14.6 PPG.
2004: 17 games, 10 goals, 19.4 PPG
Strengths: Jesse W, or ‘Junior’, is a dashing half-back flanker who is extremely polished and classy. The son of former North Melbourne player Ross, he always looks balanced and poised when he has the footballer, and he has a knack of been able to weave his way out of trouble.
Smith has deceptively good pace, and he likes to take players on. A good mark, he reads the play well and has real courage.
Weaknesses: Smith might need to work a little bit on his kicking, particularly on the left foot, but it is usually adequate. Might also need to work a little bit on his endurance if he wants to play onball at AFL level.
Footydraft.com comment: The Kangaroos are massive winners on draft day already - Jesse would have been a certain top 10 pick. Looks AFL ready and should be a handy player in years to come.
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Potential... second biggest wank word next to re-building..
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You would rather player leave it as it is and play McMahon on a half back flank the next 10 years?
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You would rather player leave it as it is and play McMahon on a half back flank the next 10 years?
No but why would we go with injury prone players that may never make it or have never made it to date, at least MacMahon gets on the park. Also rumurs are rife apparently that his ankles are shot?????
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You would rather player leave it as it is and play McMahon on a half back flank the next 10 years?
No but why would we go with injury prone players that may never make it or have never made it to date, at least MacMahon gets on the park. Also rumurs are rife apparently that his ankles are shot?????
Because we cannot get players who are not injury prone and good without trading high draft picks.
Which we should not do.
Even if his ankles are shot would be good to take a risk on Jess E Smith if we could get him very cheap.
Would be nice to have Deledio/Tambing/Morton/Smith together - would make the 04 draft look more respectable
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You would rather player leave it as it is and play McMahon on a half back flank the next 10 years?
No but why would we go with injury prone players that may never make it or have never made it to date, at least MacMahon gets on the park. Also rumurs are rife apparently that his ankles are shot?????
Because we cannot get players who are not injury prone and good without trading high draft picks.
Which we should not do.
Even if his ankles are shot would be good to take a risk on Jess E Smith if we could get him very cheap.
Would be nice to have Deledio/Tambing/Morton/Smith together - would make the 04 draft look more respectable
Still cant understand why you would want an injured and injury prone player at the club, but thats your thoughts.
Tell you all what though, how about the Saints and the Lions, they have just torn up the trade market track so far. Voss must be going for it next year.
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Balmey was apparently seen at Arden St yesterday collecting Smith's medical records and scans. If Geelong say no then Smith's ankles must be stuffed. Pass!
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You would rather player leave it as it is and play McMahon on a half back flank the next 10 years?
No but why would we go with injury prone players that may never make it or have never made it to date, at least MacMahon gets on the park. Also rumurs are rife apparently that his ankles are shot?????
Because we cannot get players who are not injury prone and good without trading high draft picks.
Which we should not do.
Even if his ankles are shot would be good to take a risk on Jess E Smith if we could get him very cheap.
Would be nice to have Deledio/Tambing/Morton/Smith together - would make the 04 draft look more respectable
Still cant understand why you would want an injured and injury prone player at the club, but thats your thoughts.
Unfortunately agree considering how good a player he looked in 2007. :(
But injuries cruel players, and he's just another one to add to the list.
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I would be putting up Edwards, Polo, King, Simmonds (may happen), Patto, Hislop, Thompson, MacMahon (may go), Schulz (gone) and White up on the trade table for the next two days and see what we are offered in the way of players or picks..
Now if these players are worth nothing or untradable as I can hear some of you saying then why the hell don't we just get rid of them, pay the contracted ones out, play every youngster we can but get rid of the players that no one wants and we dont need.
I am sick of hearing that we dont have the players to trade, well hello, they must be crap so why keep them in our team!!
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I would be putting up Edwards, Polo, King, Simmonds (may happen), Patto, Hislop, Thompson, MacMahon (may go), Schulz (gone) and White up on the trade table for the next two days and see what we are offered in the way of players or picks..
Now if these players are worth nothing or untradable as I can hear some of you saying then why the hell don't we just get rid of them, pay the contracted ones out, play every youngster we can but get rid of the players that no one wants and we dont need.
I am sick of hearing that we dont have the players to trade, well hello, they must be crap so why keep them in our team!!
Put simply WAT, we need to put 2 teams on the park each week! If we get rid of all the players who are not up to it then we will have half a team! Also, we replace them with players who are young and not yet up to, recycled players whose former club dont believe is up to it, and young unknown quantities who may never be up to it either!
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I would be putting up Edwards, Polo, King, Simmonds (may happen), Patto, Hislop, Thompson, MacMahon (may go), Schulz (gone) and White up on the trade table for the next two days and see what we are offered in the way of players or picks..
Now if these players are worth nothing or untradable as I can hear some of you saying then why the hell don't we just get rid of them, pay the contracted ones out, play every youngster we can but get rid of the players that no one wants and we dont need.
I am sick of hearing that we dont have the players to trade, well hello, they must be crap so why keep them in our team!!
fully agree why dont we just put them out there no harm in it. at least we're giving it a crack.
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I couldn't find this on the net so I scanned it in....
TRADE WEEK - DAY THREE
By Compiled by Jon Ralph, Mark Robinson and Jay Clark
Thurs 08 Oct 2009, Page 93
ADELAIDE
Still nothing.
BRISBANE LIONS
Wow-ee! Massive move for Brendan Fevola, offering Daniel Bradshaw and Michael Rischitelli. Can Jonathan Brown and Fevola both play out of the square? Browny certainly won't be moving over for him. If they secure him today, as expected, they might set a trade-week record of player turnover. Maybe Xavier. Clarke still to come.
CARLTON
The deal to jettison Fev shows just how offended it was by his continuing antics, especially the Brownlow bloopers. Query on Bradshaw's body, but Rischitelli is young and talented. Seem less likely to get Andrejs Everitt. Still want Melbourne's Daniel Bell.
COLLINGWOOD
Finally snared Darren Jolly for picks 14 and 46. Wants Luke Ball, too, and it might take a three-club deal involving Nathan Brown to get him. Saints want more than pick 30.
ESSENDON
Will almost certainly keep picks 10 and 16. Chased Rischitelli for the past two contracts. When they finally could have him, they passed on him. Still sniffing around for Mark Williams. The Hawks will want pick 16, but tell 'em they're dreaming
FREMANTLE
Brett Peake to St Kilda for pick 48 (third round). Marcus Drum still a chance for Cats.
GEELONG
With Darren Jolly going to Collingwood, Sydney is now likely to offer Shane Mumford the contract of the century. Drum might get signed on Friday, while David Wojcinski is still some chance to stay on a reduced contract.
HAWTHORN
Where do we start? The pariahs of trade week are still waiting on Shaun Burgoyne. Port is filthy and says it has been done over, and the Hawks fans can't believe Cam Brown was on the table. Hawks say he wasn't. Port says that's rubbish. Still, Burgoyne is favoured to end up a Hawk if they can kiss and make up.
MELBOURNE
Mark Jamar and Brad Miller re-signed for a year, and revelations yesterday the Dees are into Luke Ball via the pre-season draft. That's if Ball, the Pies, and the Saints can't be friends.
NORTH MELB
Still looking at Lion Joel Macdonald. Little else on the table.
PORT ADELAIDE
Throwing hand grenades across the border. The problem is no one wants to go to Port, and who can blame them? They need another Hawk to sweeten the Burgoyne deal. Does that bring into play Josh Kennedy? Surely they need more. Mitch Farmer for Richmond's Jay Schulz will happen.
SYDNEY
There is no doubt it wanted Fevola. Now with him off the table, the Swans have completed the Darren Jolly deal to Collingwood. It means they will lose Hall and Jolly for picks 14 and 46. Not a great result to date. Will they make a late play with that pick 14?
ST KILDA
Saints get Brett Peake for a third-round pick. Still trying to get a deal done for Luke Ball, and it might take time. The Saints say they think the world of him, but why didn't they play him more this year? Ball won't play for the Saints again. They are a good chance to haul in Everitt as his replacement.
WEST COAST
Twiddled its thumbs yesterday as an offer from the Dogs for defender Mark Nicoski, 25, never came. A late pick should get the trade over the line as West Coast is expected to delist the out-of-contract backman if it cannot off-load him. Not interested in swapping a first-round pick for Leon Davis or Daniel Wells.
WESTERN BULLDOGS
Another big day at the kennel. Brian Lake is done, ending sleepless nights for the coach and others. No one realises just how nervous they were. Brad Johnson will play on. Aker and Eagleton will sign too. Deals on Nicoski and Everitt still in the pipeline.
DONE DEALS
MONDAY
1. North Melbourne traded Josh Gibson and picks 69 to Hawthorn for pick 25 and 41.
2. Sydney traded Amon Buchanan to Brisbane Lions for pick 28.
3. Brisbane traded Bradd Dalziell to West Coast for Brent Staker and pick 39.
4. West Coast traded Mark Seaby to Sydney for pick 22.
5. Melbourne traded Brock McLean to Carlton for pick 11.
TUESDAY
1. Sydney traded Barry Hall to the Western Bulldogs for pick 47.
2. Sydney on-traded pick 47 to Brisbane Lions. Brisbane Lionon-traded pick 39 to Sydney.
WEDNESDAY
1. Essendon traded Andrew Lovett to St Kilda for pick 16.
TO BE LODGED
1. Richmond will trade Andrew Raines (below) to Brisbane Lions for pick 44.
2. Fremantle will trade Brett Peake to St Kilda for pick 48.
3. Sydney will trade Darren Jolly to Collingwood for picks 14 and 46.
BLOG WITH JON ANDERSON FROM 11AM
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MELBOURNE has emerged as a potential home for Luke Ball via the pre-season draft if a deal cannot be reached between Collingwood and St Kilda.
A deal with Collingwood hinges on a player or draft pick going to St Kilda, or a possible three-club deal involving Western Bulldog Andrejs Everitt going to St Kilda and a Magpie, possibly defender Nathan Brown, going to the Bulldogs. The Australian has pick 30 going to the Bulldogs instead of a Magpie player.
Josh Fraser could now be trade bait with the Pies getting Jolly.
Essendon is posed to be the last-minute winner for disgruntled Port Adelaide vice-captain Shaun Burgoyne when AFL trade week closes tomorrow. Bombers have two first-round draft picks – Nos. 10 and 16 – ready to tempt the Power and perhaps Central District draftee, 23-year-old utility Jay Nash.
Port has baulked at the Crows demand for a 2nd round pick for Jon Griffin.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-after-luke-ball-as-collingwood-magpies-deal-hits-snag/story-e6frf9ix-1225784046468
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26179600-5013406,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26181006-12428,00.html
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/fraser-could-be-trade-bait-as-pies-get-jolly/2009/10/07/1254701065580.html
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Now if these players are worth nothing or untradable as I can hear some of you saying then why the hell don't we just get rid of them, pay the contracted ones out, play every youngster we can but get rid of the players that no one wants and we dont need.
We cannot just pay the contracted ones out..there are ramifications in doing that, which btw have been explained many times!
But here we go
If any clubs de-lists any player contracted for next season, they have pay out the contract in full. That payment goes into the 2009 Salary Cap NB: I thought it was this years but going by a story in todays HUN it appears it maybe next years - whatever it still means it impacts on what you can pay and inflates your TPP.
This means that a club could seriously face going over (read EXCEEDING) the salary cap and I think people understand what the punishment is for doing that :banghead
It can't happen, it wont happen,
Can I make it any clearer
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Still cant understand why you would want an injured and injury prone player at the club, but thats your thoughts.
Tell you all what though, how about the Saints and the Lions, they have just torn up the trade market track so far. Voss must be going for it next year.
Do you remember 2001 WAT?
We'd just finished 3rd for the year.
We 'tore up' the trade market in 2001, 2002 and 2003.
We traded for Hudson, Stafford, Johnson and Nathan Brown. We also used draft picks on a lot of retreads.
Did us a lot of good didn't it?
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I would be putting up Edwards, Polo, King, Simmonds (may happen), Patto, Hislop, Thompson, MacMahon (may go), Schulz (gone) and White up on the trade table for the next two days and see what we are offered in the way of players or picks..
Now if these players are worth nothing or untradable as I can hear some of you saying then why the hell don't we just get rid of them, pay the contracted ones out, play every youngster we can but get rid of the players that no one wants and we dont need.
I am sick of hearing that we dont have the players to trade, well hello, they must be crap so why keep them in our team!!
100% correct
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A poster of BF says that the Australian reports that the Swans offered us Picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 and we refused it.
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A poster of BF says that the Australian reports that the Swans offered us Picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 and we refused it.
good! hold on to our draft picks!
:)
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A poster of BF says that the Australian reports that the Swans offered us Picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 and we refused it.
If we were offered and refused we are stupid. Theres 2 real quality players- Scully and Trengove and they are going to Melbourne. Between pick 3 and 15 they are all pretty even. I was hoping that Port Adelaide would offer us a similar deal after doing there Burgoyne deal. Anyway, If a club offers up 2 1st rounders for 3 and 1 of the picks is a top 6 or 7 pick then we should take it.
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If they threw in O'Keefe they'd probably have a deal
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SEN rumour that the Eagles could offer pick 7 to North for Daniel Wells.
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A poster of BF says that the Australian reports that the Swans offered us Picks 6 and 14 for pick 3 and we refused it.
If we were offered and refused we are stupid. Theres 2 real quality players- Scully and Trengove and they are going to Melbourne. Between pick 3 and 15 they are all pretty even. I was hoping that Port Adelaide would offer us a similar deal after doing there Burgoyne deal. Anyway, If a club offers up 2 1st rounders for 3 and 1 of the picks is a top 6 or 7 pick then we should take it.
Martin is not a real quality player?
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If we were offered and refused we are stupid. Theres 2 real quality players- Scully and Trengove and they are going to Melbourne. Between pick 3 and 15 they are all pretty even. I was hoping that Port Adelaide would offer us a similar deal after doing there Burgoyne deal. Anyway, If a club offers up 2 1st rounders for 3 and 1 of the picks is a top 6 or 7 pick then we should take it.
If true I wonder who the Swans had earmarked for number 3
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Another SEN rumour
Mark Williams to Essendon for their 2nd rounder which is then ontraded by the Hawks with pick 9 to Port for Burgoyne
Schwarz reckons we should have traded Raines for Joel MacDonald instead of grabbing pick 44.
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SHANE Mumford has told the Cats he wants to be traded to Sydney after getting a deal of a lifetime from the Swans.
The Swans added an extra year to their earlier offer to Mumford, increasing it to more than $1 million across four years.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/geelongs-shane-mumford-agrees-to-million-dollar-deal/story-e6frf9jf-1225784337156
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Updated Burgoyne trade from Tony Sheahan on SEN
Port to gain picks 9, 16 and Jay Nash
Essendon gain Williams
Hawks gain Burgoyne
What's left to work out is what actual picks flow to Essendon and Hawthorn to complete the deal.
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AFL site saying there's a 4th club involved in the above Burgoyne trade with Port, Essendon and Hawthorn. Could we be it?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85877/default.aspx
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Maybe it's Collingwood. Fraser to Port for something.
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AFL site saying there's a 4th club involved in the above Burgoyne trade with Port, Essendon and Hawthorn. Could we be it?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85877/default.aspx
Gawd I hope not.... unless we are throwing in Jordie to Port as a freebie
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SEN saying it's us Richmond. Something about it involving the Schulz deal.
Essendon get pick 24 in the above trade as well.
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SEN just said its the tigers as fourth team.
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Port now has 3 first round picks. Geez they must be in dreamland.
Bombers gain Williams + 24 for Lovett (16), Nash. Meh if that's all it is for them.
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Sydney still in the hunt for Fev, ;)
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Sydney still in the hunt for Fev, ;)
Rischitelli said no to Carlton has he?
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Sydney still in the hunt for Fev, ;)
Sydeny may want Fev but Fev has to want Sydeny and by all reports he doesn't he wants the sun of Qld
Fev has final say on any trade
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SEN just said we'd get a pick upgrade from 51 (50) to 40 in the Schulz - Farmer deal.
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3 19 35 40 44 67
Are these our picks now?
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Yep Ramps.
Port: 9, 16, 51, Schulz, Nash
Ess: Williams, 24
Haw: Burgoyne
Rich: 40, Farmer
I think that's what they said the whole 4-way trade is.
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I just heard that
Brayshaw :help i mean Bradshaw may have failed medical.Not sure substance of rumour. Mark williams to Ess, :)
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Fev to Brisbane deal is off unless Rischitelli changes his mind overnight.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brendan-fevola-deal-with-brisban-lions-on-the-brink-of-collapse/story-e6frf9jf-1225784456894
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Is anyone playing for the same team next year????????? Voss and Lyon have gone mad and Roos is not much better. Busiest exchange week in many many years. First time the web would let me on today its that busy!!
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SEN just said we'd get a pick upgrade from 51 (50) to 40 in the Schulz - Farmer deal.
yay
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SEN just said we'd get a pick upgrade from 51 (50) to 40 in the Schulz - Farmer deal.
yay
I should have posted this in this thread, I am not sure why you are "yaying".
So far Geelong has ended up with these picks, 17, 28, 40 and 42 how do they do it..... yeah yeah more to trade but really what have they lost?? Add to that, they actually have pick 17 before our pick 19, pick 28 before our pick 35, pick 40 before our pick 44 and pick 42 before our pick 51.
Geeeezus other than pick 3 they have nailed it, we should have at least tried to upgrade some of those picks, I think we have failed a bit after looking at the pick comparisens!!!
Unless the pick 40 is true.
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If it is true we have upgraded a draft pick from 50 odd to 40 in the Schultz/Farmer deal I think we have done well.
I watched Schultz close in the Coburg vs Port Melbourne game and he did not do alot at all. To be fair the entire team was rubbish but the German did bugger all. He has been around a long time and cannot get a game with Richo doing his leg, Polak getting hit by tram and Hughes playing like a donkey in the 3's. time to Jay to bugger off back to South Australia.
Apparently Pattison is gone too.
We have average picks (apart from pick #3) because we did not tank well enough. Once again we have stuffed up. Lets hope Aston Martin becomes Joel Selwood mk2
I agree now we should try to get another top 20 pick somehow. As long as we keep;
- Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling,
- Reiwoldt, Rance, Vickery, Post
... and maybe Collins, Foley.
I should have posted this in this thread,
please share your wisdom oh great one
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If it is true we have upgraded a draft pick from 50 odd to 40 in the Schultz/Farmer deal I think we have done well.
I watched Schultz close in the Coburg vs Port Melbourne game and he did not do alot at all. To be fair the entire team was rubbish but the German did bugger all. He has been around a long time and cannot get a game with Richo doing his leg, Polak getting hit by tram and Hughes playing like a donkey in the 3's. time to Jay to bugger off back to South Australia.
Apparently Pattison is gone too.
We have average picks (apart from pick #3) because we did not tank well enough. Once again we have stuffed up. Lets hope Aston Martin becomes Joel Selwood mk2
I agree now we should try to get another top 20 pick somehow. As long as we keep;
- Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling,
- Reiwoldt, Rance, Vickery, Post
... and maybe Collins, Foley.
I should have posted this in this thread,
please share your wisdom oh great one
Whats your crap last comment ment to mean???? Even if we end up with pick 40 do you really think we have done better than Geelong?? We finish bottom 2 for the last 2 years and end up with two picks higher than them and they have won 2 out of the last 3 GF's. You don't have to be a wise one to work out who has done better including this lot of drsft picks.
You only need a few brain cells... oh great one!!
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Tell you what how quiet have the Crows been...... do they know that trade week is on??
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Trade week - day four
Mark Stevens and Jon Ralph From: Herald Sun October 09, 2009
HERALD SUN football writers Mark Stevens, Jon Ralph, Scott Gullan and Jay Clark sum up the club movements during an eventful AFL trade week.
ADELAIDE
Hello, McFly? Anyone there? Need a flag next year, as they seem that confident with their list. Coach Neil Craig says ruckman Jonathon Griffin is the only player who may want a new home.
BRISBANE LIONS
Voss is Atilla the Hun, slashing and burning the southern states. Unfortunately the Fev deal isn't done, as Michael Rischitelli doesn't want to head south. Sydney is lurking with intent. Xavier Clarke has joined for pick 60. Big morning today on the Fev front.
CARLTON
Deal up the air on Fev. Rischitelli reluctant, and the deal may fall over. Can the Blues resuscitate it with Swans or Lions this morning? Sydney looms large but can't do a similar deal involving a key forward. Andrew Walker has definitely been on the table.
COLLINGWOOD
Surprise, surprise, dragging its heels. Rivals say the Pies want the world but will give up nothing. With Darren Jolly signed, Josh Fraser is being shopped around. Nathan Brown is available because they like Ben Reid more. Will Fraser be swapped for Luke Ball at 1.59pm?
ESSENDON
Great day for the Bombers. Got Mark Williams with only a draft pick tango, got rid of Jay Nash, who they don't play. Not a great day for Matthew Lloyd, pushed out yet now replaced from elsewhere. Interested in Roo Jesse Smith, who could be a star if he ever gets on the park. Will keep pick 10.
FREMANTLE
Marcus Drum gone to Geelong for pick 49. Brett Peake has gone to St Kilda. Apart from that, the Dockers may be on holidays in Bali.
No confirmed sightings.
GEELONG
The good guys of trade week as the catalyst for the Burgoyne deal. Shane Mumford goes for Sydney's pick 28 and a massive wad of cash. From sausages to wagyu beef. Definitely overs for the rookie. David Wojcinski probably stays. Docker Marcus Drum signs for pick 49.
HAWTHORN
Got the deal it wanted for Shaun Burgoyne at the expense of pick nine and Mark Williams. Lost Ben McGlynn and Josh Kennedy to Sydney for draft picks 39, 46 and 70. A week of carnage but coming good at right time.
MELBOURNE
Has as much chance of getting Luke Ball as winning next year's flag. Only Mumford-like cash will force a player into the pre-season draft. Had been interested in Andrejs Everitt, but that has cooled.
NORTH MELBOURNE
Has put five years into Jesse Smith. Now he wants out. The Roos should chain him to the place and refuse to trade him. Smith met clubs yesterday. Should get Joel Macdonald deal done.
PORT ADELAIDE
The Gaza Strip is a more appealing destination. No wonder only the Jays - Schulz and Nash - have ended up there. Got picks nine and 16 for Shaun Burgoyne, so happy campers.
RICHMOND
Has confirmed the buzzer is working, but says there is nothing in the gift shop it wants. Schulz is gone, Jordan McMahon may stay, Adam Pattison will go. No takers for Nathan Brown or Shane Tuck.
ST KILDA
Still can't work out a deal for Luke Ball. Former No.5 pick Xavier Clarke goes to Brisbane for pick 60. Still wants a tall. Steven King will go on but for minimum payments, so is Josh Fraser a chance?
SYDNEY
Swans are frustrated they sat on their hands with Fevola. But now they seem a sneaky chance. Shane Mumford has come for pick 28. Last night picked up Josh Kennedy and Ben McGlynn fronm the Hawks.
WEST COAST
Delighted with draft picks seven, 22 and 23. Hard nut Jamie McNamara is up for grabs, but the Eagles seem happy to sit on the trade sidelines.
WESTERN BULLDOGS
No press conference at the Kennel yesterday. Andrejs Everitt keeps bouncing around in every trade, but as of last night was off the table.Their week is close to done. Skipper Brad Johnson inked a deal for 2010 yesterday.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trade-week-day-four/story-e6frf9jf-1225784660883
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SEN rumour that Luke Ball may go to Collingwood and Leon Davis to St Kilda.
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Extraordinary rumour being touted by one of our commenters here on this live blog. Ball, Brown & Pavlich reportedly going to Arden Street as part of a six-club deal. I wouldn't think so ...
http://blogs.theage.com.au/realfooty/archives/2009/10/live_blog_trade.html
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Well SEN are saying the rumour is Carlton are making a big play for Pavlich.
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Well SEN are saying the rumour is Carlton are making a big play for Pavlich.
Well they need something to settle down the ferals after the departure of Fev. :outtahere