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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 10, 2009, 11:57:52 PM
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Given Caro has said it's down to only 4 it's time for a poll.
Who do you prefer out of Richardson, Hardwick, Rawlings and Hinkley?
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I am sticking with Hardwick as I pretty well have done from the start.
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Hardwick for me, success follows him, seems to be the uncompromising type
Would love it if we pinched the man who was right under Essendon's nose and they took one of ours instead who fails them
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Richardson for me. Same attributes as Ross Lyon.
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And my selection is ..........................
Later :rollin
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l got informed last night that these 4 have only made it through to the next stage where other candidates who are former AFL coaches are waiting the next process. :shh
stay tuned
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l got informed last night that these 4 have only made it through to the next stage where other candidates who are former AFL coaches are waiting the next process. :shh
stay tuned
If I was picking from the 4, no doubt Richardson.
Although I have heard the same as Monk.
Also if Bombers get beat this week, what about Hardwick to Essendon, Knights to Richmond :gobdrop
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Matthew Knights coming to Richmond is a No for exactly the same reason as alot of other candidates, no Premiership anywhere in the CV.
In effect what has been muted here today is that we TAKE ESSENDONS MISTAKE lol. ESSENDON STUFFED UP WHEN THEY TOOK KNIGHTS and DENIED HARDWICK THE JOB - AND NOW THEY REGRET IT AND WANT TO FIX IT - AND some of our supporters want us to take Matty Knights and leave HARDWICK. Thats stuffen stupid.
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Dean Laidley to be Director of Coaching with Hardwick as Senior Head Coach.
That is the mail....
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I could live with that pmac :pray
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Dean Laidley to be Director of Coaching with Hardwick as Senior Head Coach.
That is the mail....
that is the best result for the RFC no doubt about that.
hopefully this isn't another rumour and is fact.
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1. Richardson
2. Hardwick
3. Don't care and hoping no-one else
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1. Richardson
2. Hardwick
3. Don't care and hoping no-one else
:thumbsup
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i heard richardson has been very impressive so far and is leading the pack.
but dont discount mick malthouse just yet, dont be surprised if the pies win the flag this yr that mick will break ties with th epies and become a tiger.
one never knows
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to all you hardwick lovers, how do you rate his performance as an assistant this yr
some people are just at the right place at the right time and success just falls in their lap, butthis yr , when th ehawks have been tested, what has he brought to the table
hardwick, imo, is lucky and overrated
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to all you hardwick lovers, how do you rate his performance as an assistant this yr
some people are just at the right place at the right time and success just falls in their lap, butthis yr , when th ehawks have been tested, what has he brought to the table
hardwick, imo, is lucky and overrated
pfffft
lucky at essendon as a player
lucky at port as well
lucky at hawthorn
lots of luck everywhere ... infact to much luck for it to be just luck dont you reckon
People make there own luck and Hardwick is a proven WINNER!
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to all you hardwick lovers, how do you rate his performance as an assistant this yr
some people are just at the right place at the right time and success just falls in their lap, butthis yr , when th ehawks have been tested, what has he brought to the table
hardwick, imo, is lucky and overrated
To be honest, that's exactly what I am worried about.
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l got informed last night that these 4 have only made it through to the next stage where other candidates who are former AFL coaches are waiting the next process. :shh
stay tuned
If I was picking from the 4, no doubt Richardson.
Although I have heard the same as Monk.
Also if Bombers get beat this week, what about Hardwick to Essendon, Knights to Richmond :gobdrop
i too would support richo on basis he's coached his own side with good results to compliment his work as an assistant :cheers
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to all you hardwick lovers, how do you rate his performance as an assistant this yr
some people are just at the right place at the right time and success just falls in their lap, butthis yr , when th ehawks have been tested, what has he brought to the table
hardwick, imo, is lucky and overrated
pfffft
lucky at essendon as a player
lucky at port as well
lucky at hawthorn
lots of luck everywhere ... infact to much luck for it to be just luck dont you reckon
People make there own luck and Hardwick is a proven WINNER!
HAWKS WERE lucky, and u cannot praise hardwick for their cup, thats clarkos cup, assistants are just that!
Port, lol, if u think hardwick is the reason why they had success
Essendon, ffs, if we played in that team we would be winners too, even JON would have looked good
YOU RAMPS, what you are saying is that hardwick is a winner only when he has winners around him guiding him!!!!!FACT!
WHAT HAS HE WON LEADING FROM THE FRONT.........NOTHING
HE IS JUST A GOOD WHEN HE HAS WINNERS CARRYING HIM, AT RFC , WE HAVE NO WINNERS, HE HAS NO IDEA AND U KNOW THAT
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In reality none of the candidates have had any personal coaching success, they may have been part of the experience and assisted in elements of the process but ultimately they all are assistants. We can only speculate on their capabilities ourselves while the interview process will hopefully reveal how much input they directly had in any success they have been part of. So while Hardwick may have been part of many successful teams and cultures but he may well have been a passenger the whole journey though my feel is that, given he has gone so deep in our process and almost claimed the Bombers job, he has been a big factor in all the success he has been part of.
Stripes
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Ecstatic that these 4 are the last 4.
I hope the next we hear is that it is out of Hardwick, Richardson and Hinkley. I don't really have a preference there, the sounds are positive in all tree cases.
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no they are not the last 4. They are 4 going through a stage. there are former AFL coaches in the mix which Richmond is trying to keep hush about ;D
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no they are not the last 4. They are 4 going through a stage. there are former AFL coaches in the mix which Richmond is trying to keep hush about ;D
Care to mention who other than Laidley is still in it?
If its Ayres then the process is garbage.
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;D sorry l will let it go through the process :shh
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Fact is, none of us has the slightest clue who would or wouldn't be a good senior coach. Let's leave it to the experts and support whoever they appoint. Opinions are like ars...er...bottoms, everyone's got one and there is a fair bit of crap involved.
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;D sorry l will let it go through the process :shh
;) :shh
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1:Hardwick
2:Hinkley
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In reality none of the candidates have had any personal coaching success, they may have been part of the experience and assisted in elements of the process but ultimately they all are assistants.
Stripes
Not true Stripes. Richardson coached East Burwood to 2 EDFL flags in '99/'00.
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Matthew Knights coming to Richmond is a No for exactly the same reason as alot of other candidates, no Premiership anywhere in the CV.
In effect what has been muted here today is that we TAKE ESSENDONS MISTAKE lol. ESSENDON STUFFED UP WHEN THEY TOOK KNIGHTS and DENIED HARDWICK THE JOB - AND NOW THEY REGRET IT AND WANT TO FIX IT - AND some of our supporters want us to take Matty Knights and leave HARDWICK. Thats effen stupid.
I couldn't have said it better myself Ramps, we should not want to touch Mathew Knights with a barge pole, he's going to ruin the Dons.
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I couldn't have said it better myself Ramps, we should not want to touch Mathew Knights with a barge pole, he's going to ruin the Dons.
Agree here.
Reckon sides have worked Essendon out. Wouldn't be surprised if Knighter is under the pump this time next year.
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Does it really matter who is our coach next year?
Give it a week and people here will be complaining about him and calling him a dud.
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Does it really matter who is our coach next year?
Give it a week and people here will be complaining about him and calling him a dud.
Disagree there. There will always be dissenting voices, but Terry had majority support for the first 2 seasons. It was end of 2006 (e.g. drafting Kingsley), the horror 2007 start and the 2011 comment that turned people off.
Confident that a Hardwick, Hinkley or Richardson would enjoy the same clean slate.
I think that both Rawlings and Laidley would have more to prove for differing reasons.
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Whoever is coach needs 2 years to clean the slate completely. Above all the club needs to put the resources in place to help the coach. Extra development coach/coaches, new fitness staff, more resources into recruiting etc etc
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to all you hardwick lovers, how do you rate his performance as an assistant this yr
some people are just at the right place at the right time and success just falls in their lap, butthis yr , when th ehawks have been tested, what has he brought to the table
hardwick, imo, is lucky and overrated
:lol :thumbsup
Sounds very much like a conversation I had yesterday morning. Is the office kitchen bugged ;D
Under the system we have that sends players to clubs. I reckon it is a valid point that luck has a bit to do with it...
Players get drafted they don't really get a choice as to where they get to play when they start.
Hardwick ended up at Essendon at time when they were very successful as a teenager he didn't sit in the back of the room making his own luck - the lottery that is the draft sent him to the Essendon.
He then got traded to Port Adel not because he actually wanted to go but because Essendon needed to off load players because of the salary cap. That was lucky for him pure and simple and I don't think him going to Port was the reason they won that flag, he was part of the team that won it but not the reason
And I actually agree regarding Hawthorn this year - isn't he as part of the coaching staff partly responsible for where they find themselves at the minute? Or is that all Clarkson's fault.. and please don't use the excuse of injuries ... the Hawks problems go a lot deeper than injuries ...
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The problem with the Hawks I'm hearing is everyone has worked how to beat their zones and that Clarksons rants are losing some of his boys.
And injuries do have some effect and its just silly to pretand they don't eg: Geelong couldnt beat Brisbane and Hawthorn would argue that they had as many outs as the Saints last week.
I still have faith that the process will turn up the best coach that will suit Richmonds short and medium needs.
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i heard richardson has been very impressive so far and is leading the pack.
but dont discount mick malthouse just yet, dont be surprised if the pies win the flag this yr that mick will break ties with th epies and become a tiger.
one never knows
Richo would be a great fit as an elite developing coach of young players. I think Laidley would be a perfect overlay as football director to provide valuable match day expertise in the coaches box.
FWIW, I'd say Hardwick will want to run his own show so difficult to see Laidley fitting into that set up.
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to all you hardwick lovers, how do you rate his performance as an assistant this yr
some people are just at the right place at the right time and success just falls in their lap, butthis yr , when th ehawks have been tested, what has he brought to the table
hardwick, imo, is lucky and overrated
:lol :thumbsup
Sounds very much like a conversation I had yesterday morning. Is the office kitchen bugged ;D
Under the system we have that sends players to clubs. I reckon it is a valid point that luck has a bit to do with it...
Players get drafted they don't really get a choice as to where they get to play when they start.
Hardwick ended up at Essendon at time when they were very successful as a teenager he didn't sit in the back of the room making his own luck - the lottery that is the draft sent him to the Essendon.
He then got traded to Port Adel not because he actually wanted to go but because Essendon needed to off load players because of the salary cap. That was lucky for him pure and simple and I don't think him going to Port was the reason they won that flag, he was part of the team that won it but not the reason
And I actually agree regarding Hawthorn this year - isn't he as part of the coaching staff partly responsible for where they find themselves at the minute? Or is that all Clarkson's fault.. and please don't use the excuse of injuries ... the Hawks problems go a lot deeper than injuries ...
Absolute dribble ... you guys wanted Rawlings and Rawlings has shown he cant do this job. The one candidate who has successful pedigree is hardwick and you guys reckon its luck.
- How much luck was it that he broke into a dominant team and was a member of an Essendon Winning Side. I suppose It was just luck that he was in there best side.
- How much luck was it that Port Adelaide recruited him- they needed a hard nut and they recruited him. They won a flag and again Hardwick was in the best 22 players - luck again you guys say ... lol
- Luck again that Hawthorn decided that of all the assistant coaches to target they targetted Hardwick and they won a flag ... luck pfffttttt
Theres luck and theres reality. Luck is being Darryl Freame who becomes a Premiership player when it was never likely, Luck is not getting lucky 3 times in Footy and winning 3 Flags like Hardwick - thats called being a winner.
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Ramps, I also think Hardwick is a good potential candidate - the only problem that I see is we don't thoroughly test each of the final 3 due to "pre selecting him" (Rawlings should be ruled out due to inexperience, kid in a mans role)
If Hardwick stands up to the scrutiny, great, fantastic. If Hinkley does, just as good. If Richardson, even better.
What I won't be doing is putting all my eggs in one basket and have faith that our club is finally doing it properly at last by picking the best candidate AFTER the process, not before it.
That is why we have a process.
Your methodology of picking the guy with the best track record on paper didn't work with Wallace. It comes down to technical skills (teaching), experience (footy, coaching etc, winning background) and fit.
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Hinkley for me mainly for the IP he would bring from Geelong, but Hardwick also good. Richardson moving already from the Bombers seems a bit hasty?
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Absolute dribble ... you guys wanted Rawlings and Rawlings has shown he cant do this job. The one candidate who has successful pedigree is hardwick and you guys reckon its luck.
- How much luck was it that he broke into a dominant team and was a member of an Essendon Winning Side. I suppose It was just luck that he was in there best side.
- How much luck was it that Port Adelaide recruited him- they needed a hard nut and they recruited him. They won a flag and again Hardwick was in the best 22 players - luck again you guys say ... lol
- Luck again that Hawthorn decided that of all the assistant coaches to target they targetted Hardwick and they won a flag ... luck pfffttttt
Theres luck and theres reality. Luck is being Darryl Freame who becomes a Premiership player when it was never likely, Luck is not getting lucky 3 times in Footy and winning 3 Flags like Hardwick - thats called being a winner.
Ramps - anywhere in my post did I say Hardwick he was lucky to play in those premeirship teams?
NO - what I said was luck landed his way when he was drafted by Essendon. Luck also landed his way when he was traded to Port.
The reality is the draft is lottery and if things fall your way you can end up at a club that wins a flag.
Trades are a lottery as well.
Let's look at all those other Bombers players from the same premiership that got traded - Heffernan, Blumfield, Solomon, etc - they got traded to poor teams. Hardwick got to Port and they won a flag. Bottom line is if a better deal was on the table for Hardwick then he wouldn't have ended up at Port, he could have ended up at Melb, the Bulldogs - anywhere
What he achieved once at those club as a player was not luck it was result of hard work by him and believe me I am not disputing that but he was lucky that it was Port that did that deal and other clubs didn't
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Caracella was another "lucky" one as well boys.
Hey Stuart Dew was "lucky" also. Lucky Hardwick and Clarkson knew him from Port.
Experience in success at the elite level counts for everything. Does not matter how you got it. If you have been to the top it counts more than finishing 2nd 5th 8th or 11th.
Few at Essendon nowadays would remember Paul Hills but he has a premiership medallion around his neck and although that may not mean something next to a bloke of the ilk of Skilton Flower or even Richo, I am sure all would give up their personal milestones for ultimate glory.
That's why they play for ultimate glory players and coaches and that's how their measured. Hardwick has been involved in 3 flags.
If you needed major surgery and you had a choice on who was to perform it would you go to the good looking intern in their last year of med school or the doctor who has performed hundreds of them with success. Equate this and draw parrallel lines with Richmond's current plight it is life or death if this does not work. 29 years since a flag and two finals series in 27 years. Another five years of this crap and we'll be the new North Melbourne in terms of members.
Hardwick Hardwick Hardwick.
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I'm more than happy if Hardwick is just lucky
So far he's had premierships ever 4 years on the same year as the Olympics, 2000, 2004 & 2008
That would mean he's due for another in 2012, I can live with that
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The harder I train/work the luckier I get! someone once said.
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Hardwick leads the race for top job
Jake Niall | August 13, 2009
... Darren Crocker is down to the last three [at North], but his best hope seems to be that Richmond jumps in and offers the job to Damian Hardwick, who can be all but pencilled in for one of the positions, North or Richmond.
''Dimmer'' was beaten for the Essendon coaching job by Matthew Knights, in part due to his lack of computer files in the final interview.
It will take an even greater calamity - the dog eating his PowerPoint presentation perhaps - to deprive him of a senior coaching gig now.
What we have now are six or seven primary candidates for the two remaining jobs. Richmond is a contest between Hardwick, Geelong's Ken Hinkley and Essendon's Alan Richardson, the betting probably in that order.
Dean Laidley is the outsider, and North folk must be hoping that he will somehow emerge from the shadows and win the Richmond job, giving the Roos a clear run at Hardwick.
Some observers believe Jade Rawlings remains in contention at Tigerland, but I'd be very surprised if they handed the job to a caretaker who was seemingly chosen, in part, because he wouldn't prejudice the process - as Wayne Campbell would have had he taken the reins and won some games.
Rawlings is 31, and clubs don't hire coaches who are younger than their senior players, not that the Tigers will have too many in that category next year.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/hardwick-next-in-line/2009/08/12/1249756351704.html
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Also from the Age...
Hawthorn assistant coach Damien Hardwick made a presentation to the club [North Melbourne] yesterday, current caretaker Darren Crocker presents today and Collingwood assistant Brad Scott tomorrow.
Hardwick was also interviewed for a second time at Richmond last Monday where he is on the short list with Ken Hinkley, Alan Richardson - who was interviewed at the club last night - and Jade Rawlings. Dean Laidley will also speak with the club.
Hardwick is thus the only senior coaching aspirant in the running at both North and the Tigers.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/longmire-out-of-kangaroos-race/2009/08/12/1249756351710.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Hardwick is thus the only senior coaching aspirant in the running at both North and the Tigers.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/longmire-out-of-kangaroos-race/2009/08/12/1249756351710.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
That's interesting .... the other people for the North job interviewed for the RFC and couldn't make it through round 1.. Although fromwhat I've heard North approached rather than the other way around
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Discluding (if thats a word) the bombshell announcement that is rumoured, if Hardwick presented on Monday and Richardson last night the club could be in a position to make a choice very soon. Im not entirely sure we should go with Laidley. Hinkley seems to be behind both Richardson and Hardwick. As for Jade, his time will come but it isnt now its probably 5 years away.
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According to Hutchy on the Footy Show only Hardwick and Richardson have presented in R2 of the process. Rawlings and Hinkley yet to present.
Any chance at Richmond that they may get of there arses and do R2 interviews with Rawlings and Hinkley some time soon ... sometime this decade would be good. :help
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Richardson will get it I reckon
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Richardson will get it I reckon
Im concerned that they are looking for a reason to give it to Rawlings which is the cheap and easy option. Theres no excuse that the 2nd round interviews havent been finished. The club should be in the outcome phase and deciding on who they want.
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if i was Crocker i would just walk out of the club now.
What a joke knowing it doesnt matter how good you perform in the interview you wont be offered a position.
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According to Hutchy on the Footy Show only Hardwick and Richardson have presented in R2 of the process. Rawlings and Hinkley yet to present.
Any chance at Richmond that they may get of there behinds and do R2 interviews with Rawlings and Hinkley some time soon ... sometime this decade would be good. :help
It's being done tomorrow isn't it?
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Richardson will get it I reckon
Im concerned that they are looking for a reason to give it to Rawlings which is the cheap and easy option. Theres no excuse that the 2nd round interviews havent been finished. The club should be in the outcome phase and deciding on who they want.
Ramps , mail is the club are concerned with Rawlings ability to sell the club and enforce changes and therefore leave him "'imprint""
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Richardson will get it I reckon
Im concerned that they are looking for a reason to give it to Rawlings which is the cheap and easy option. Theres no excuse that the 2nd round interviews havent been finished. The club should be in the outcome phase and deciding on who they want.
Ramps , mail is the club are concerned with Rawlings ability to sell the club and enforce changes and therefore leave him "'imprint""
When you get to the last 4 in this type of interviews process, I think that you cant give this much of a gap between the first 2 and the last 2. The 2 candidates Hardwick and Richardson have had substantially lesser time to prepare than Hinkley and Rawlings and that to me isnt right. Best practice would have been for the club to do this over 2 days ensuring that all 4 candidates were under pretty much the same pressure and time constraints.
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As I said in the other thread you wouldn't think there would 3-hour interviews tomorrow the day before a game :-\. Next Monday and Tuesday you would think would be more realistic days to hold the interviews.
When's the next RFC Board meeting? I'm guessing that will be when the final decision will be made.
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Richmond won't be rushed
Jake Niall | August 14, 2009
RICHMOND will not cut short its exhaustive search for the next coach in the event that Hawthorn assistant Damien Hardwick is offered the coaching position by North Melbourne.
While Hardwick is a leading candidate to coach the Roos, who could offer him the job to cut Richmond off at the pass, the Tigers last night indicated that they would continue with their process - which involves interviewing two more candidates - regardless of whether North made Hardwick an offer.
The Tigers, thus, could risk losing Hardwick before they have completed their second round of interviews if North jumps in and makes him an offer.
If North Melbourne decides that Hardwick is its priority - it completed two interviews yesterday - then it will act quickly early next week and offer him the job.
The Tigers have interviewed Hardwick and Alan Richardson in the demanding phase two of their coach-search this week, and have to put Geelong assistant Ken Hinkley and caretaker Jade Rawlings through the same extensive interview next week - a schedule the Tigers say they will stick with, resisting the temptation to cut it short if Hardwick is made an offer by North.
North Melbourne, meanwhile, interviewed two of its final three candidates yesterday - caretaker Darren Crocker and then Collingwood assistant Brad Scott - with Hardwick, the favourite, having spoken to the Roos on Wednesday, when the club's fourth contender, John Longmire, withdrew after Sydney named him as Paul Roos' successor as senior coach in 2011.
Richmond football operations manager Craig Cameron, who is running the club's coach-search, said last night that the Tigers would stick with their process, despite the speculation about Hardwick and North.
''We've still got two people to interview, and they're good candidates,'' Cameron said, when asked whether the Tigers would consider shortening their process.
The only other possibility for the Tigers is former North Melbourne coach Dean Laidley, who hasn't decided whether he will pursue the Richmond job, but will chat to the Tigers about where he sits within the next two or three days.
Crocker and Scott are vying with Hardwick for the North position. The Roos' process is expected to have a shorter time-frame than Richmond's coach-search.
Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson has again strongly backed Hardwick's credentials for a senior coaching job. ''He has been in our system for five years and our view is he's ready to coach senior football,'' Clarkson said.
Laidley, meanwhile, met Hawthorn officials on Wednesday in a meeting that was downplayed by the former North coach, despite the strong possibility that the Hawks will be in the market for an assistant coach to replace Hardwick.
Laidley said last night that he had visited the Hawks at Waverley, meeting football operations chief Mark Evans and head of coaching development Chris Fagan. Laidley looked at their facilities in what was an education for him.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/richmond-wont-be-rushed/2009/08/13/1249756397408.html
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I reckon its turning into a farce
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I reckon its turning into a farce
What do you think of the time disparity between candidates Jacko. 1 Week extra is a mighty advantage if you ask me. I dont think its right and I dont think its fair either for either Richardson or Hardwick
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Dont know what to think.
Its a bit out of control.
I reckon they dont know what they want either, thus Benny Gales involvement. ;) ( past players pushed for him too )
Dont think Rawlings is in the picture at all.
It would be of interest in regards to each candidates team they want to bring to punt rd, something which hasnt been reported which is strange.
Would think if Dean Laidley wanted the job,he would be the front runner. He has said he doesnt know if he wants to apply ???
Mail is that Richardson has been the best so far.
Who he brings, I dont know
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Im sorry but cutting corners would be the farce
Rushing the decision would make it out of control
This is the least farcical and most in control process the club has had for decades
You have a bizarre perspective on this.
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Im sorry but cutting corners would be the farce
Rushing the decision would make it out of control
This is the least farcical and most in control process the club has had for decades
You have a bizarre perspective on this.
Agree, the moment we cut corners is the moment the media and every cynical supporter will have ammo loaded to shoot at the first aspect of weakness in our new coach, and we compromise the choice made because we changed our process.
We stick to what we stated and the timeline was the first week of the finals to finish the process unless there was one clear stand out. There clearly isn't.
We're right on track.
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I have a funny feeling though that if Hardwick does not accept the Roos job if he is offered it tomorrow that he would have been told by the panel that he has the job but to save face we will still go through the process. Just a thought on how this stuff can go, it certainly happens like that in the public sector.
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Im sorry but cutting corners would be the farce
Rushing the decision would make it out of control
This is the least farcical and most in control process the club has had for decades
You have a bizarre perspective on this.
Absolutely spot on
I have a funny feeling though that if Hardwick does not accept the Roos job if he is offered it tomorrow that he would have been told by the panel that he has the job but to save face we will still go through the process. Just a thought on how this stuff can go, it certainly happens like that in the public sector.
I actually think that is funny WAT - a whole conspiracy theory there.
You seriously think that out of 4 people they've got in the 2nd stage they've interviewed 2 and after interviewing one of them (who I think may have been the first one) they said "Jobs your mate but we are going to leave you hanging for another week or so, so things look right in the paper"? And then say to him "just to be sure we keep up appearances can you go off and interview for the North Job" .....
I reckon they dont know what they want either, thus Benny Gales involvement. ;) ( past players pushed for him too )
Argghhhhhhhhh our dear friends the past players.... don't think they had much to do with getting Benny back to the Club although I am sure they will tell you otherwise :thumbsup
Mail is that Richardson has been the best so far.
In stage 2 where there are 4 people of which 2 have been interviewed he's been the best? Or are you talking about after stage 1 he was the best...
Good to see the Club not being forced into making a decision .... as I said yesterday we want the best person who wants to coach the RFC not someone who just wants to coach .....
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I have a funny feeling though that if Hardwick does not accept the Roos job if he is offered it tomorrow that he would have been told by the panel that he has the job but to save face we will still go through the process. Just a thought on how this stuff can go, it certainly happens like that in the public sector.
I actually think that is funny WAT - a whole conspiracy theory there.
You seriously think that out of 4 people they've got in the 2nd stage they've interviewed 2 and after interviewing one of them (who I think may have been the first one) they said "Jobs your mate but we are going to leave you hanging for another week or so, so things look right in the paper"? And then say to him "just to be sure we keep up appearances can you go off and interview for the North Job" .....
In stage 2 where there are 4 people of which 2 have been interviewed he's been the best? Or are you talking about after stage 1 he was the best...
Why not its about time RFC started doing shifty poo to get ahead in this game. You cant do nothing if your trying to play the nice guy all the time. Its time for dodgy and ruthless behaviour ;D
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I reckon they dont know what they want either, thus Benny Gales involvement. ( past players pushed for him too )
Argghhhhhhhhh our dear friends the past players.... don't think they had much to do with getting Benny back to the Club although I am sure they will tell you otherwise .
Would love to tell you.
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Its never seemed to stop you before
We all know how much you love opening your mouth
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I have a funny feeling though that if Hardwick does not accept the Roos job if he is offered it tomorrow that he would have been told by the panel that he has the job but to save face we will still go through the process. Just a thought on how this stuff can go, it certainly happens like that in the public sector.
I actually think that is funny WAT - a whole conspiracy theory there.
You seriously think that out of 4 people they've got in the 2nd stage they've interviewed 2 and after interviewing one of them (who I think may have been the first one) they said "Jobs your mate but we are going to leave you hanging for another week or so, so things look right in the paper"? And then say to him "just to be sure we keep up appearances can you go off and interview for the North Job" .....
In stage 2 where there are 4 people of which 2 have been interviewed he's been the best? Or are you talking about after stage 1 he was the best...
Why not its about time RFC started doing shifty poo to get ahead in this game. You cant do nothing if your trying to play the nice guy all the time. Its time for dodgy and ruthless behaviour ;D
It's a subjective opinion that doing that would "get us ahead in this game." I'd say it would leave us a few kilometres behind, probably back where Norf is trying to get the one the media has hyped the most for some publicity, and compromise everything we've done to make this the correct process.
Let it be you impatient so and sos. :rollin
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I agree with those posters saying "have patience". We are doing the absolute best by the club in FULLY exploring each and every option available to us before making our decision. And here's the main point in all that - we haven't done that once in the past 30+ years. Does that time frame ring any bells with people?
And as for the extra week being an unfair advantage - I don't see that at all. These guys all have full time jobs at other clubs that still require their professional attention. They would have been given plenty of advance notice of the date for 2nd round interviews and the criteria they would be expected to address in those interviews. You would think that all of them are of a sufficient level of knowledge and professionalism that they would be prepared fully in the time frame given them. If they miss out on the job it won't be because someone else had an extra week - that would be the prime indicator that you weren't right or ready for the job.
Let North Melbourne run around like headless chooks creating fear and uncertainty among the impressionable. There is a time and a place for swift and impulsive action - this ain't one of them.
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There is a time and a place for swift and impulsive action - this ain't one of them.
Yeh like on the footy field would be nice
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Would love to tell you.
You'd be amazed at what i could tell you :rollin :rollin :rollin
oops I almost forgot
;)
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Ecstatic that these 4 are the last 4.
I hope the next we hear is that it is out of Hardwick, Richardson and Hinkley. I don't really have a preference there, the sounds are positive in all tree cases.
Completely agree. We need to start afresh from from our playing list to our coach. No more recycled anything. New stock bought straight from the store.
For what it's worth, Hinkley is who I'm warming to.
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Ecstatic that these 4 are the last 4.
I hope the next we hear is that it is out of Hardwick, Richardson and Hinkley. I don't really have a preference there, the sounds are positive in all tree cases.
Completely agree. We need to start afresh from from our playing list to our coach. No more recycled anything. New stock bought straight from the store.
For what it's worth, Hinkley is who I'm warming to.
If Collingwood do to us what I think theyre gonna do tomorrow, I suggest Rawlings last hope would have been completely wiped.
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i vote hinkley.
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A couple of days ago I was 1. Hardwick 2. Hinkley 3. Richardson
Now I am 1. Richardson 2. Hardwick/Hinkley too hard to split.
I'm not sure why he just seems to be a nice mix of developmental coach, winner and thinker (from the articles I've read).
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There is going to be a lot of disappointed people if Rawlings gets the job :lol
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If Collingwood do to us what I think theyre gonna do tomorrow, I suggest Rawlings last hope would have been completely wiped.
and if our team bothers to show up and surprisingly win alot of people here will be very nervous :rollin :rollin
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If Collingwood do to us what I think theyre gonna do tomorrow, I suggest Rawlings last hope would have been completely wiped.
and if our team bothers to show up and surprisingly win alot of people here will be very nervous :rollin :rollin
:D
There will be no nervousness just tears as Itll be the beginning of another decade of mediocrity
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If Collingwood do to us what I think theyre gonna do tomorrow, I suggest Rawlings last hope would have been completely wiped.
and if our team bothers to show up and surprisingly win alot of people here will be very nervous :rollin :rollin
:D
There will be no nervousness just tears as Itll be the beginning of another decade of mediocrity
Actually if we win today I am expecting everyone to tell me it had nothing to do with the coach but it was because of the players :thumbsup
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Put a line through the Blade...... with a big black texta
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Put a line through the Blade...... with a big black texta
I can't understand how people can be on the Raelings bandwagon.
It was obvious the club were going to appoint a caretaker for the rest of the season with the intention of looking elsewhere for a coach. The fact that Jade got a few meaningless wins had him still in the calculations as well as the fact that he was doing the job. Very little that we have at the club in terms of coaches is of a high standard.
Hardwick Hardwick Hardwick is our man.
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Agreed. But any of the other three would offer more than Girls name the Blade.
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Just heard a news flash on radio - Hinkley, Harwick and Richardson have all been reported missing.
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Just heard a news flash on radio - Hinkley, Harwick and Richardson have all been reported missing.
We'll see a newsflash on tv tonight.
Jade walks tonight.
Here's a snippet of what he will say.
Jade Rawlings has agreed to go fishing this week rather than attend his interview for the RFC JOB. Jade conceded that I have no hope in hell in coaching this club as a caretaker let alone for the next 3 years so I have decided to jump even with two games to play. I apologise to those who had faith in me in GR12 WP an others who thought I could do the job. Once again I am sorry and I can only hope Richmond find a credentialled man who has the balls to do the job, the balls to stand up to the coterie groups that want to run the clubs on field agenda the balls to sack and drop players the balls to get a new team gameplan in place not that we have adopted anything seriously remotely resembling one in the first place and the balls to punish anyone who does not adhere to it regardless of reputation. Sure I dropped players but I had no gameplan because I am too nice a bloke.Hence I lack the balls.
Once again thank you.
Jade the Maid.
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In recent days Ive considered the merits of Allan Richardson - who is very well regarded as a coach who is a players coach, who is inclusive and gives people a chance. I am sure in different circumstances he would make a terrific Richmond coach, but not in this circumstance. Richmond needs a coach who is a prick, a ruthless prick who will come in and get rid of the crap. This isnt about development, this isnt about skills this about a rotteness that has engulfed our club. Its Hardwick for mine. Plain and simple. Get in someone in who will savage anyone who is not fully committed to Richmond.
Damien Hardwick has to be the next Richmond coach
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Carlton is a greater chance of winning this years Premiership than Rawlings getting the coaching gig in 2010.
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Carlton is a greater chance of winning this years Premiership than Rawlings getting the coaching gig in 2010.
not true
North have a better chance of winning the flag than Rawlings of getting the gig.
in a way im kind of glad because a loss tells only part of the story about a football club but a loss speaks volumes.
I knew he wasn't the man after the Saints Game. Game plan still the same as Wallace so really Jade i wish you the best but i dont think your fit to coach a football club
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Is there any chance that this could be the first caretaker coach to get the sack ???
Why not ???
He is hopeless.
Why do we kick to contests on kick ins WHY.
This is Auskick stuff.
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Jack its been the problem with this footy club since i can remember.
we couldn't land a coast to coast goal if our life depending on it.
Every other team destroy us week in week out.
Jade is not fit to be a coach. FACT!! Glorified version of his mate Wallace.
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I'd doubt will have to worry about a "unleash the Giesch" scenario now. A caretaker coach can make or break his name and the last 2 weeks was breaking point. Down to Hardwick, Hinkley and Richardson if they haven't ran for the hills already.
Coaching Richmond is like searching for the Holy Grail. For the discoverer of the secret untold wealth, fame and evermore legenary status is yours; if you fail you're never seen again :-\.
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I'd doubt will have to worry about a "unleash the Giesch" scenario now. A caretaker coach can make or break his name and the last 2 weeks was breaking point. Down to Hardwick, Hinkley and Richardson if they haven't ran for the hills already.
Coaching Richmond is like searching for the Holy Grail. For the discoverer of the secret untold wealth, fame and evermore legenary status is yours; if you fail you're never seen again :-\.
They have all run to the hills I am afraid, where is Sheeds these days ?? Speaking at the West Sydney Function tonight
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I'd doubt will have to worry about a "unleash the Giesch" scenario now. A caretaker coach can make or break his name and the last 2 weeks was breaking point. Down to Hardwick, Hinkley and Richardson if they haven't ran for the hills already.
Coaching Richmond is like searching for the Holy Grail. For the discoverer of the secret untold wealth, fame and evermore legenary status is yours; if you fail you're never seen again :-\.
Except the holy grail is a myth.
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Except the holy grail is a myth.
No it's not - I've seen the movie. Damn funny one it is too! :lol
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Mark Stevens on Ch 10's Fifth Quarter reckons Hardwick to North for sure and Ken Hinkley to Richmond.
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Mark Stevens on Ch 10's Fifth Quarter reckons Hardwick to North for sure and Ken Hinkley to Richmond.
The media guessing you'd think as they are changing their reports almost every day on who'll get the job. A rare time the Club hasn't leaked.
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yeah, lets not forget the media all had cambo as fav for the caretaker job...odds on in fact
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Hinkley would have the lowest profile but his coaching pedigree is good. He's coached his own sides to three flags in the Hampden and Geelong leagues and of course was (and still is) assistant to Bomber Thompson at Geelong when they broke their 44 year drought.
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Hinkley would have the lowest profile but his coaching pedigree is good. He's coached his own sides to three flags in the Hampden and Geelong leagues and of course was (and still is) assistant to Bomber Thompson at Geelong when they broke their 44 year drought.
Wouldnt think a low profile person would be the way to go
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Mark Stevens on Ch 10's Fifth Quarter reckons Hardwick to North for sure and Ken Hinkley to Richmond.
The media guessing you'd think as they are changing their reports almost every day on who'll get the job. A rare time the Club hasn't leaked.
No leaks as they have no idea what they are doing
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Mark Stevens on Ch 10's Fifth Quarter reckons Hardwick to North for sure and Ken Hinkley to Richmond.
The media guessing you'd think as they are changing their reports almost every day on who'll get the job. A rare time the Club hasn't leaked.
No leaks as they have no idea what they are doing
That hasn't stopped leaking in the past :whistle
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Hinkley would have the lowest profile but his coaching pedigree is good. He's coached his own sides to three flags in the Hampden and Geelong leagues and of course was (and still is) assistant to Bomber Thompson at Geelong when they broke their 44 year drought.
Wouldnt think a low profile person would be the way to go
On the other hand it may help prevent a messiah complex the Club has where one person is expected to come in and cure all ills. If anyone at the Club or amongst supporters thinks we will finish higher than bottom 3 in 2010 they are deluded.
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Club needs someone with balls. If he has a high profile good alow profile good too.
But he needs to have balls and use them. Look at Ross Lyon has the profile of an inconspicuous pensioner and listening to him is about as exciting as listening to your mother n law but he gets the job done.
Hardwick Hardwick Hardwick.
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Hinkley would have the lowest profile but his coaching pedigree is good. He's coached his own sides to three flags in the Hampden and Geelong leagues and of course was (and still is) assistant to Bomber Thompson at Geelong when they broke their 44 year drought.
Wouldnt think a low profile person would be the way to go
On the other hand it may help prevent a messiah complex the Club has where one person is expected to come in and cure all ills. If anyone at the Club or amongst supporters thinks we will finish higher than bottom 3 in 2010 they are deluded.
I agree.
What a mess
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Wouldnt think a low profile person would be the way to go
Not having a go Jack, just interested to know why you think that?
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Believe Ken Hinkley is firming.
Would be a good fit.
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Believe Ken Hinkley is firming.
Would be a good fit.
Is he a tough operator, what role has he done at Geelong in terms of assistant coaching. Has he looked after the defence, the midfield, the attack?
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Wouldnt think a low profile person would be the way to go
Not having a go Jack, just interested to know why you think that?
First hand experince tells me that the person appointed needs to stamp his ""own print"" on the place, otherwise we are going around in circles. as we have the previous 8 coaches
Current culture and personnel wont allow a low profile person to be successful.
needs a Leigh Matthews type who would bring people with him.
What is amazing that no details have been released in regards to what people the successful person would bring. to the RFC
Common knowledge when Bucks was being touted for a coaching job that Sanderson from Geelong would be one of his assistants.
Its pointless appointing Ken Hinkley if his assistants would be Campbell, Sugar and Rawlings.
I think this process thing is a mess actually., and I have my reasons ;)
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that remains to be seen but if one of Rawlings, Sugar or McCrae remain on the coaching panel in some way then im sorry to say people we have another 3 years of this rubbish to come.
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why jacko?
and can someone tell us what specific role Hinkley does at Geelong?
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Just did some research:
Ken Hinkley is the attacking/forward coach, responsible for Geelongs attack structure.
Anyone wanna tell us what they think of Geelongs Forward line?
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Just did some research:
Ken Hinkley is the attacking/forward coach, responsible for Geelongs attack structure.
Anyone wanna tell us what they think of Geelongs Forward line?
there fwd line works great , they work for each other they make space for each other, they have a defensive side in their fwd line
and they kick big scores with no dominant focal point , just a team working for each other
they have had injury worries all yr and dont have twin towers in th emould of browm/bradshaw , kosi/ st nick, buddy/roughy
but they still manage pretty good with what they have
every team ken h has coached at whatever level has turned to gold, cant say that about softwick
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Just did some research:
Ken Hinkley is the attacking/forward coach, responsible for Geelongs attack structure.
Anyone wanna tell us what they think of Geelongs Forward line?
there fwd line works great , they work for each other they make space for each other, they have a defensive side in their fwd line
and they kick big scores with no dominant focal point , just a team working for each other
they have had injury worries all yr and dont have twin towers in th emould of browm/bradshaw , kosi/ st nick, buddy/roughy
but they still manage pretty good with what they have
every team ken h has coached at whatever level has turned to gold, cant say that about softwick
Geelongs forward line is its weakest link. Its the reason why they lost last years Premiership and its the reason why they wont win it this year. Hawkins has every potential but hasnt come on- FAIL, the only reason they kick big scores is because of its midfield, including Selwood and Ablett lol ... any club if they had Selwood and Ablett would do well, in the forward besides Johnson, they are very very average. And thats the truth of it.
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and can someone tell us what specific role Hinkley does at Geelong?
In his first couple of years he was responsible for the forward line. Now he is classed as the 'senior' assistant coach and is in charge of the offensive (attacking) strategies for all zones.
Here's some more info Ramps:
Ken Hinkley
Playing Career
Fitzroy: 11 games, 21 goals
Geelong: 121 games, 58 goals
Coaching Career
Geelong: asst coach 2004-09
Bell Park: coach 2002-03
St Kilda: asst coach 2001
Camperdown: coach 1999-2000
Mortlake: coach 1996-98
The 2008 season marked Ken’s fifth as an assistant coach with the Cats and saw him help the club to a fifth grand final as player or coach. The season marked Ken’s 12th overall at Skilled Stadium, having played 121 games in seven years with the club. He was a key member of the drought breaking coaching staff that landed the 2007 flag.
Since returning to Geelong as an assistant coach the Cats have fashioned a 83-36-1 record.
He spent most of the 2001 season at St Kilda as an assistant with Malcolm Blight.
Hinkley began his coaching career immediately after retiring as an AFL player. He coached Mortlake in the Hampden League before crossing to Camperdown. He led the club to back-to-back premierships in 1999 and 2000 before heading to Moorabbin in 2001.
Hinkley returned to Geelong in 2002, and spent two seasons as coach at Bell Park. He posted a 30-10-3 record at the helm, including a premiership in the 2003 Geelong League grand final replay against St Mary’s.
Overall Hinkley has a 83-49-3 win-loss mark as a coach.
COACHING RECORD
Year Club League Pl W L D Pct Pos
1996 Mortlake Hampden 18 3 15 0 17 8th
1997 Mortlake Hampden 16 8 8 0 50 6th
1998 Mortlake Hampden 18 3 15 0 17 8th
1999 C'down Hampden 20 20 0 0 100 1st
2000 C'down Hampden 20 19 1 0 95 1st
2002 Bell Park Geelong 20 13 6 1 68 4th
2003 Bell Park Geelong 23 17 4 2 78 1st
Total 135 83 49 3 63
PLAYING HISTORY
Ken Hinkley made his name as an attacking half back with Geelong. He began his AFL career with Fitzroy as a forward, but after one season he returned home to Camperdown and it appeared his league career would end after 11 games and 20 goals.
Geelong enticed him to Skilled Stadium and he went on to play 121 games with the Cats. Hinkley played in three grand finals, and was club captain in 1995.
Hinkley finished third in the Brownlow Medal in 1992, the same season that he captured the Cats’ best & fairest award. He earned All Australian honours in 1991 and 1992, represented Victoria and was considered one of the AFL's elite players.
Overall Hinkley played 132 AFL games and kicked 79 goals.
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Just did some research:
Ken Hinkley is the attacking/forward coach, responsible for Geelongs attack structure.
Anyone wanna tell us what they think of Geelongs Forward line?
You have misread that badly Ramps. He is in charge of offensive strategies for all zones. I would ask you this - what do you think of Geelong's attacking strategies from their fullback line to their full forward line?
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Just did some research:
Ken Hinkley is the attacking/forward coach, responsible for Geelongs attack structure.
Anyone wanna tell us what they think of Geelongs Forward line?
You have misread that badly Ramps. He is in charge of offensive strategies for all zones. I would ask you this - what do you think of Geelong's attacking strategies from their fullback line to their full forward line?
Its good when the full back is playing when he isnt they are average, the midfield is where there strength is because it includes Selwood, Ablett and co. and the midfield attacking set up is excellent - up forward they are very average indeed.
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Yes but he doesn't coach the forward line as such any more. He is charge of their offensive strategies as a whole team and I charge anyone to come up with a more successful offensive or attacking team across the whole field than Geelong. Even their forward line is extremely attacking and their strategies are very sound - they lack some finishing skill that hurts but that is not Hinkley's domain or fault.
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We're not going to agree smokey. The Geelong Forward line is very average. There seems to have been no development of KP Forwards at all. In the end, Im sure all these points will be considered anyway.
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Their output/finishing is not outstanding Ramps but they still get a heap of the ball and have sound attacking strategies. And only the Bulldogs have scored more goals than them this year - what are you basing your opinion on?
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Caro today ruled out Jade and said it will come down to two of the remaining three to make a final presentation to the RFC Board. From what she was saying she either thinks Richardson will be one of them or there's support for him to get the gig. Probably just more media guesswork.
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North Melbourne and Richmond expected to announce new coaches
August 16, 2009 .
North Melbourne chairman James Brayshaw says the club will decide this week on their new coach for the 2010 AFL season.
The Kangaroos have cut their list of prospective candidates down to three - Hawthorn assistant Damien Hardwick, Collingwood assistant Brad Scott and caretaker coach Darren Crocker.
Hardwick is considered the favourite.
"All three have been fantastic and all three are very much in the mix and we will have an answer for you shortly," Brayshaw told the Nine Network's AFL Footy Show.
Asked when the coach would be named, he said: "I expect before the end of the week."
Meanwhile, Richmond president Gary March said on Saturday the Tigers expected to name their new coach within 10 days.
The Tigers' four-man list of remaining candidates also includes Hardwick.
The others are Geelong assistant Ken Hinkley, Essendon assistant Alan Richardson and caretaker coach Jade Rawlings.
March said the fact that North and the Tigers were considering Hardwick and the Kangaroos are due to make a decision first would not cause his club to rush their choice.
Geelong coach Mark Thompson has urged Hinkley to push his case.
"I think he's down to the last four at Richmond. We have just been encouraging Ken to go out and try to find a job," said Thompson.
"We think he's more than ready to step up to be a senior coach but if he doesn't, we're more than happy to have him at Geelong.
"But we would never jump in the way of him trying to further his career and coach a team in his own right."
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25936789-23211,00.html
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Rumours in the media tonight (MMM and SEN) that Brad Scott may have the North job.
If true it's frees us up to not rush a decision on our 4 candidates.
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Rumours in the media tonight (MMM and SEN) that Brad Scott may have the North job.
If true it's frees us up to not rush a decision on our 4 candidates.
Brad Scott must have narrowly missed out on a stage 2 interview for us.
If Hardwick misses out again on both jobs then it will be very interesting. Then again maybe North are moving towards Scott because Hardwick has indicated that he is more interested in the Richmond job and they want to save their 'brand'.
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Caro today ruled out Jade and said it will come down to two of the remaining three to make a final presentation to the RFC Board. From what she was saying she either thinks Richardson will be one of them or there's support for him to get the gig. Probably just more media guesswork.
Well I think Caro is making things up to suit her argument
I believe the final 2 out of the final 4 will do their presentations (2nd interviews) this week to the sub-committee which includes Stafford & Dunne and late this week they will recommend 2 to present to the full board.
But when it's all said and done who'd wnat the job anyway :banghead ;D
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Caro today ruled out Jade and said it will come down to two of the remaining three to make a final presentation to the RFC Board. From what she was saying she either thinks Richardson will be one of them or there's support for him to get the gig. Probably just more media guesswork.
Well I think Caro is making things up to suit her argument
I believe the final 2 out of the final 4 will do their presentations (2nd interviews) this week to the sub-committee which includes Stafford & Dunne and late this week they will recommend 2 to present to the full board.
But when it's all said and done who'd wnat the job anyway :banghead ;D
Thats right.
Should of given the caretaker role to Sheeds/Matthews with a plan in place to hand the reins to someone else, James Hird etc etc.
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Rumours in the media tonight (MMM and SEN) that Brad Scott may have the North job.
If true it's frees us up to not rush a decision on our 4 candidates.
Brad Scott must have narrowly missed out on a stage 2 interview for us.
If Hardwick misses out again on both jobs then it will be very interesting. Then again maybe North are moving towards Scott because Hardwick has indicated that he is more interested in the Richmond job and they want to save their 'brand'.
If this is true then its a clear indication that Hardwick has told North that Richmond is his preferred option. :clapping
Sheedy or Matthews acting as Hardwicks mentor would of been an outstanding result.
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Rumours in the media tonight (MMM and SEN) that Brad Scott may have the North job.
If true it's frees us up to not rush a decision on our 4 candidates.
gee, he's a young bloke, they must see an al clarkson in him
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If this is true then its a clear indication that Hardwick has told North that Richmond is his preferred option. :clapping
Or alternatively it may mean he has missed out on a senior gig again :rollin :rollin
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If this is true then its a clear indication that Hardwick has told North that Richmond is his preferred option. :clapping
I dunno about that, given North's attitude to Buckley that he was either the senior coach or out of the running, Hardwick could simply have delayed or said he'd like to complete our process and then North ruled him out purely on that.
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cousins captain & coach
lids vice
campbell and hinkley assistants
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best fantasy i had all weekend.
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I dont even reckon that the development angle is as important at this stage, Richmonds problem isnt development, what needs to come first is awe and shock and the cleaning out the cancer that has infested the place, because if the club dont do that first then the new players coming into the club will be ultimately infested with the same mentality that has seeped into the current list of players barring only afew. AFL footy clubs are finishing schools not development schools. That being the case it is imperative that the coach who gets the job is a hard bastard who will drive the players hard and change the culture, not a bloke who is matey with the players- that will lead only to disaster.
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Well SEN saying the word around the traps at Richmond is Hinkley is now the favourite followed by Richardson.
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Well SEN saying the word around the traps at Richmond is Hinkley is now the favourite followed by Richardson.
Ah ha ha they change their opinion daily. They're jumping at shadows. :lol ;D
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I have to admit I agree with gtig, cousins as captain coach. Although I'm not sure if it is a fantasy or a flash back from the gear i've used to get through this season. :whistle
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Well Mike tonight on 3aw just said he thinks no one including himself has any idea on who it'll be. Mike now thinks it's between Hinkley and Richardson while there's renewed interest in Hardwick from Port.
Damien Hardwick resumes Power talks
Michelangelo Rucci | August 19, 2009 05:20pm
DAMIEN Hardwick today flew to Adelaide to resume talks with the Power on joining its coaching panel next year.
Hardwick, still a contender for the senior vacancy at Richmond, today met Port president Brett Duncanson, chief executive Mark Haysman, coach Mark Williams and football operations chief Peter Rohde in Adelaide.
He is now the leading contender for Port's new, full-time role as "senior" assistant coach.
It was Hardwick's second meeting with Port in 14 days.
Hardwick this morning was met by Duncanson and Haysman at Adelaide Airport.
"We want to catch up with Damien to see where he is at," said Haysman before meeting Hardwick.
Cats assistant Ken Hinkley is now the bookies' favourite for the Tigers job.
Latest betting:
Hinkley $1.22
Hardwick $4.00
Rawlings $6.00
Richardson $9.00
Sportingbet Link (http://www.sportingbet.com.au/uipub/sport.aspx?l1id=5&l2id=1201463&l3id=1201464)
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25952646-19742,00.html
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Geez, good money for Richardson
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Geez, good money for Richardson
I got on :thumbsup at $5.50 :-[
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Well Mike tonight on 3aw just said he thinks no one including himself has any idea on who it'll be. Mike now thinks it's between Hinkley and Richardson while there's renewed interest in HardwickPort from PortHardwick.
Corrected for Mike.
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Tigers coaching decision close
Mark Robinson and Michelangelo Rucci | August 20, 2009
KEN Hinkley meets Richmond tonight knowing he is favourite to be coach, while main rival Damien Hardwick has resumed talks with Port Adelaide.
Hardwick, who was overlooked for the North Melbourne job, was in Adelaide yesterday for a second meeting with Power chiefs.
He has completed two interviews with the Tigers, but is being urged to accept a "senior assistant" role under Williams next year.
Hinkley, acknowledged by industry sources as the front-runner for the Tigers, will be interviewed by the coaching sub-committee tonight, the last of the four applicants.
Hinkley's favouritism comes after it emerged yesterday he has had talks with player manager Ricky Nixon about forming a professional relationship.
He does not have a manager and Nixon did not return calls last night.
The Geelong assistant coach has been told, unlike Brad Scott at Collingwood, he would be required by the Cats through September if he lands the Richmond job.
The Tigers will announce the coach next week after the final candidates are presented to the board.
Hinkley has rocketed to favouritism in recent days. He is $2.40 on Sportingbet, ahead of Hardwick ($2.60), interim coach Jade Rawlings ($3.50) and Essendon assistant Alan Richardson ($5).
As the intrigue increases, Bombers officials told the Herald Sun yesterday they believed Richardson last week was favourite for the Tigers job.
Hardwick, who has been overlooked for the Essendon, Melbourne and Kangaroos jobs, is being sought by Port to fill its full-time role as senior assistant coach.
His meeting with president Brett Duncanson, chief executive Mark Haysman, coach Mark Williams and football operations chief Peter Rohde was his second meeting with Port in seven days.
Port looms as Hardwick's Plan B to become a senior AFL coach if he fails to secure the Tigers gig, the last senior job remaining for next season.
The Hawthorn assistant coach stands as the Power's Plan B for life after Williams, who has re-signed for two years.
Hardwick yesterday morning was met by Duncanson and Haysman at Adelaide Airport. "We want to catch up with Damien to see where he is at," Haysman said before meeting Hardwick.
Port's ability to lure Hardwick appears complicated by his contract with the Hawks. There is an exit clause to allow Hardwick to advance to a senior coaching role, but it is questionable whether the Hawks would release him to take up another club's assistant coaching role.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25954335-19742,00.html
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Port puts Hardwick to test
Michael Gleeson | August 20, 2009
THE coaching picture, which had seemingly become clearer with Brad Scott's appointment to North Melbourne, has suddenly become murkier after Damien Hardwick flew to Adelaide yesterday to meet Port Adelaide officials about a succession plan to take over from Mark Williams.
The move slightly clouds the process at Richmond, where Hardwick is in the final four candidates to take over as senior coach, and is equally favoured for the job with Geelong assistant coach Ken Hinkley.
Hinkley will make his second presentation to the Richmond selection committee tonight - the last of the four candidates to do so. Jade Rawlings presented earlier in the week and Hardwick and Alan Richardson made their pitches last week.
Tigers president Gary March will be overseas for a few days early next week, so the preferred candidate - or two as the case may be - is not likely to front the club's board before late next week.
Geelong said yesterday that Hinkley would be required to continue with the Cats through the finals, even if he were successful in securing the senior coaching role at Richmond.
The Tigers are understood to be comfortable with that.
Collingwood, despite being in premiership contention, immediately released Scott from his responsibilities when he was named coach of North Melbourne earlier this week.
Hardwick is considered, like Hinkley, a strong prospect for the Tigers job, but the Port offer now slightly complicates matters.
A former Port Adelaide premiership player, Hardwick is understood to be attracted to coaching his old club and to the fact that he is familiar with the club and its people.
Hardwick remains contracted to Hawthorn as an assistant coach for next year, and it is understood the Hawks would only consider releasing him from that contract if he were to go to a more senior position elsewhere - such as the guarantee of being senior coach at Port Adelaide in two years.
Critically, Hardwick knows Williams well and is familiar with how he operates. It is believed yesterday's discussions centred on the mechanics of how a succession plan - such as the Michael Malthouse-Nathan Buckley and Paul Roos-John Longmire situations - would operate.
It is uncertain if Port has yet made a formal offer.
Hardwick was the only candidate being considered for both the North Melbourne and Richmond positions, but was overlooked for Scott by the Roos.
Hardwick only interviewed once at North Melbourne, for 2½ hours, and did not present his ideas on a game plan. That was to occur at a subsequent interview but that presentation, along with meeting chairman James Brayshaw, was scrapped when the North sub-committee concluded that it was unnecessary to proceed with that interview as they were unanimous that Scott was the ideal candidate.
It is understood that one influencing factor was that North sensed Hardwick had yet to decide which job he preferred.
No one from Port Adelaide could be reached for comment last night.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/port-puts-hardwick-to-test/2009/08/19/1250362118805.html
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Hardwick only interviewed once at North Melbourne, for 2½ hours, and did not present his ideas on a game plan. That was to occur at a subsequent interview but that presentation, along with meeting chairman James Brayshaw, was scrapped when the North sub-committee concluded that it was unnecessary to proceed with that interview as they were unanimous that Scott was the ideal candidate.
It is understood that one influencing factor was that North sensed Hardwick had yet to decide which job he preferred.
:o lol.
Well I suppose Scott was sure which position he wanted having been rejected by us already.
Good luck to them. No doubt Scott will be a good coach.
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Hardwick only interviewed once at North Melbourne, for 2½ hours, and did not present his ideas on a game plan. That was to occur at a subsequent interview but that presentation, along with meeting chairman James Brayshaw, was scrapped when the North sub-committee concluded that it was unnecessary to proceed with that interview as they were unanimous that Scott was the ideal candidate.
It is understood that one influencing factor was that North sensed Hardwick had yet to decide which job he preferred.
:o lol.
Well I suppose Scott was sure which position he wanted having been rejected by us already.
Good luck to them. No doubt Scott will be a good coach.
Wow. Didn't even bother seeing Hardwick.
Near enough was good enough for North so it sounds. :shh
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It is understood that one influencing factor was that North sensed Hardwick had yet to decide which job he preferred.
Read - preferred the Tigers position and wanted North to hold off their decision until after the Richmond position was finalized.
Good for the Tigers but may not prove great for Hardwick if we overlook him. By the sounds of it though it sounds like Port will embrace him with open arms if he misses out with us.
I hope if he does claim the Tigers position he ensures that the media realize that Richmond was always his preferred choice and he had told North something along those lines before they took Scott. The way the media have portrayed Hardwick as missing out is misleading and incorrect IMHO.
Stripes
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Good for the Tigers but may not prove great for Hardwick if we overlook him. By the sounds of it though it sounds like Port will embrace him with open arms if he misses out with us.
If Hawthorn let him go for what is essentially a sideways move. Apparently his contract says he can only leave for a head coach position.
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Good for the Tigers but may not prove great for Hardwick if we overlook him. By the sounds of it though it sounds like Port will embrace him with open arms if he misses out with us.
If Hawthorn let him go for what is essentially a sideways move. Apparently his contract says he can only leave for a head coach position.
Except the lines are blurred a little if that assistants role has a guarateed senior position in 2 years as part of it
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Except the lines are blurred a little if that assistants role has a guarateed senior position in 2 years as part of it
I suppose you are right - they wouldn't be letting or happy with him going speak to Port if they weren't open to the idea of him moving there.
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Healy and Russell tonight on 3aw have Hinkley with the Richmond job while Harwick will join Port and takeover from Mark Williams for the start of the 2011.
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Makes me proud, we can stick to a long term plan / process. You never know they just might pick the best person based on merit instead of the best based on nothing but gut feeling.
We just might be growing a back bone again and learning from our mistakes
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Hardwick and Hinkley, who had his second interview last night, are shaping as the two most likely to be asked to present again, next week, to the Tigers board for a final decision.
Hardwick told Richmond on Wednesday night that Port Adelaide had offered him a Collingwood-style succession plan to join the Power as an assistant coach for two seasons before taking over from Mark Williams.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25957673-5012432,00.html
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Surprised this hasn't been posted already even though it's garbage lol but Mark Allen on KB's show this morning said that Hardwick has the job in an 8-3 board vote. Too bad we don't have 11 board members :wallywink.
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In the paper today Choco is on record for stating that Hardwick has not been offered a 'Succession Plan' contract at Port. He claims it is just a senior assistant role and that Hardwick is not guarantee to replace him when his contract expires.
Sounds like the media making up things as they go along
Stripes
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Sounds like the media making up things as they go along
Spot on Stripes :yep. So much Mike for the media never telling lies :wallywink
Credit to the Club for keeping this so in-house. They must be using the cone of silence ;D
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Surprised this hasn't been posted already even though it's garbage lol but Mark Allen on KB's show this morning said that Hardwick has the job in an 8-3 board vote. Too bad we don't have 11 board members :wallywink.
considering the final two won't present to the board members until next week, pure BS. also, isn't mark allen the golf guy?? how would he know anything.
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Surprised this hasn't been posted already even though it's garbage lol but Mark Allen on KB's show this morning said that Hardwick has the job in an 8-3 board vote. Too bad we don't have 11 board members :wallywink.
considering the final two won't present to the board members until next week, pure BS. also, isn't mark allen the golf guy?? how would he know anything.
yes he is the golf guy
but most importantly he is a lover of the yep you guessed it. Collingwood FC
he craps on about them all the time.
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Surprised this hasn't been posted already even though it's garbage lol but Mark Allen on KB's show this morning said that Hardwick has the job in an 8-3 board vote. Too bad we don't have 11 board members :wallywink.
considering the final two won't present to the board members until next week, pure BS. also, isn't mark allen the golf guy?? how would he know anything.
He is the golf guy. Everyone is now having a guess :wallywink
(http://www.meatheadshockey.ca/documents/cone_of_silence2.jpg)
A pic of Richmond's interview process ;D
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Sandy Roberts on Ch 7 news tonight said Hardwick is on the verge of signing with Port as an assistant.
Reading Port forums Abernathy on Ch 7 news in Adelaide said Hardwick will be groomed as Port's 1st choice as senior coach.
"The way Abba delivered the story sounded like the deal is all but done and dusted and sighted Hardwicks reasons for taking Port's job was due to Richmond's questionable list and youth.
Ive also heard Hardwick is also getting pressure from his wife because she wants to move back to adelaide"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15456037&postcount=59