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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on August 14, 2009, 04:07:06 AM

Title: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: one-eyed on August 14, 2009, 04:07:06 AM
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The Tigers will offer a maximum three-year contract to the new coach, two years less than Terry Wallace was given when he was appointed at the end of 2004.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25925629-2722,00.html

Are you happy with the new coach getting a 3-year contract?
Title: Re: New Richmond coach with get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: Ramps on August 14, 2009, 06:32:24 AM
I would have thought 2 years would have been better. 1st stage should be to get rid of the crap on the list, start bringing in more kids and developing a new culture aimed at getting success. Hopefully real evidence of improvement could be seen sometime in year 2, if so then the new coach could then get a further 2 or 3 years.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 14, 2009, 06:46:17 AM
I would go 2 years with an option of a 3rd
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: richmondrules on August 14, 2009, 07:28:28 AM
The article does say maximum so it implies that this is the absolute most we will offer, not that we will definitely offer it.

I'm with WP. 2 years with an option on a 3rd based on performance. If the coach is doing well after 2 then you would probably see a new contract negotiated then anyway.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: Jackstar is back on August 14, 2009, 07:36:07 AM
Surely it would have to be 2 years, havent they got any idea down there :banghead :banghead :banghead
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: Infamy on August 14, 2009, 07:42:30 AM
Missleading thread title
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: tigersalive on August 14, 2009, 08:10:08 AM
I don't see the problem with a 3 year contract.  Coaches are going to want that long to get poo in order, especially the way some of our player think making an effort is, to turn their ethics around.  Whether you like it or not, it takes time to change these things, and 3 years is the standard maximum contract for rookie coaches.  Make it performance based for the 3rd year and they have something to aim for.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: FooffooValve on August 14, 2009, 09:59:01 AM
It might mean the difference between getting the bloke you want and the bloke with his hand up. Big difference. 3 years is fine.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: the_boy_jake on August 14, 2009, 10:09:26 AM
3 years is right. Would Clarkson have got a third year after going 14, 11? You can't really set reasonable quantifiable targets for a coach who is rebuilding the list and demanding his own style over two years IMHO.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: Tigermonk on August 14, 2009, 10:42:07 AM
2 year contract based on win/loss & progress of skills with no options of 3rd year.
Time to get TUFF Richmond.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: Gracie on August 14, 2009, 10:45:24 AM
A two year contract would not give us as much room to sack the coach in his last year as three year contract would.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: Tigermonk on August 14, 2009, 10:57:10 AM
A two year contract would not give us as much room to sack the coach in his last year as three year contract would.

we might wanna sack him after the first year if his anything like Wallet or Rawlings game styles
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: tigersalive on August 14, 2009, 11:12:49 AM
A two year contract would not give us as much room to sack the coach in his last year as three year contract would.

we might wanna sack him after the first year if his anything like Wallet or Rawlings game styles

Well then he's destined to fail in your eyes because very few coaches have turned a perceived poor teams game plan around and into their own wishes in one off-season, as players have habits, and it takes time to break them. 

Classic examples: Mark Thompson and Ross Lyon.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: the_boy_jake on August 14, 2009, 11:26:28 AM

Well then he's destined to fail in your eyes because very few coaches have turned a perceived poor teams game plan around and into their own wishes in one off-season, as players have habits, and it takes time to break them. 

Classic examples: Mark Thompson and Ross Lyon.

Ross Lyon would have done enough in two years to get a contract extension, but is still a good example in that it took him two years to get the team playing his style with a good senior core to build around (who is our N Riewoldt, Ball, Hayes, Dal Santo, Kosi etc etc etc).
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: camboon on August 14, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
No Problem with three years, you cant send a signal of no confidence before the coach even starts - surely!!
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: tugga on August 14, 2009, 12:50:41 PM
3 years is fine with me.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: tiga on August 14, 2009, 01:01:34 PM
Yep I'm fine with 3 years also. As many have said, I can't see a new coach turning our club around in one season and then being prepared to negotiate contract extensions in only his second year.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: Mr Magic on August 14, 2009, 01:31:15 PM
Are you happy with the new coach getting a 3-year contract?

Sure beats 5.  :P

Three is about right.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: Smokey on August 14, 2009, 01:37:51 PM
Yep, 3 is fine by me.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 14, 2009, 01:47:21 PM
Clarkson started with a 2 year deal and it worked for him ...

Still think 2yrs with an option of a 3rd  ;D
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: Chuck17 on August 14, 2009, 04:58:03 PM
I definitely think 3 years is a workable time frame

0 - 3 months      First rumblings from the feral supporters, game plan is crap theme, this bloke doesn't know what he is doing....
6      months      Media latches on and joins the "tigers are crap" theme
                       Growing army of the ferals gets louder
1      year          Rumours of board coups start to surface
                       Coterie groups start becoming more vocal in their "bring back the good old days"
1.5   years         Coach under pessure from media and supporters to guarentee date when we will play finals
2      years         Board backs coach 100%
2.2   years         Coach sacked caretaker Wayne Campbell appointed
2.4   years         Calls from media, coterie groups, supporters to appoint Sheedy
3     years          New coach appointed

Yep 3 years should be enough to fit all that in.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: yellowandback on August 14, 2009, 08:42:58 PM
2 years with an option of a 3 - get out of jail if it goes pear shaped, see 2007 for Wallace.

Announce it as 3 year deal, forget next year. Judge the coach on the 2nd year and beyond.
Looking at the shape and fitness of our players it'll take more than 1 pre season.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: the_boy_jake on August 14, 2009, 11:56:27 PM
Clarkson started with a 2 year deal and it worked for him ...

Right you are WP - I had thought he got 3.

Still, if we went 14, 11 next two years would we be able to see the bigger picture if some of the youngsters were coming along nicely, or would the usual suspects demand change?

I still vote 3 years.
Title: Re: New Richmond coach will get a 3-year contract (Australian)
Post by: Go Richo 12 on August 15, 2009, 12:08:24 AM
I definitely think 3 years is a workable time frame

0 - 3 months      First rumblings from the feral supporters, game plan is crap theme, this bloke doesn't know what he is doing....
6      months      Media latches on and joins the "tigers are crap" theme
                       Growing army of the ferals gets louder
1      year          Rumours of board coups start to surface
                       Coterie groups start becoming more vocal in their "bring back the good old days"
1.5   years         Coach under pessure from media and supporters to guarentee date when we will play finals
2      years         Board backs coach 100%
2.2   years         Coach sacked caretaker Wayne Campbell appointed
2.4   years         Calls from media, coterie groups, supporters to appoint Sheedy
3     years          New coach appointed

Yep 3 years should be enough to fit all that in.

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I would call you cynical if it what you posted wasnt so awfully close to the truth!