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Tigers' careers in the balance as new coach looms
Greg Denham | August 20, 2009
THE futures beyond this season of a number of Richmond players will depend on form over the final two home-and-away games, as well as the opinion of the Tigers' new coach, who will be announced next week.
Heading the list of players whose careers hang in the balance is ruckman Troy Simmonds, who could be back playing on Saturday night against Hawthorn.
Simmonds, 31, who is in the final season of a five-year contract, has not played at the elite level since round 11. But after several encouraging performances in the VFL after overcoming a hip injury, the Richmond match committee will today decide whether he will be recalled.
Simmonds' future will more than likely hinge on his performances against the Hawks and then West Coast in Perth in round 22, as well as input from either Ken Hinkley or Damien Hardwick, who are the leading candidates to replace Terry Wallace for the next three years.
In Simmonds' favour for retention on the Tigers' list for one more year is that both Tyrone Vickery and Angus Graham are developing ruckmen, and he has also been quite durable over his career at Richmond.
Following the retirements this season of Kane Johnson and Joel Bowden, the same criteria could also apply to Nathan Brown, 31, and Graham Polak, who both come out of contract next month.
Brown has been carrying a groin injury this year, while Polak will play his first senior game for the year this weekend. Polak, who almost lost his life last year when he was hit by a tram, has come on in leaps and bounds over the past month, despite missing last weekend's VFL game because of an ankle problem.
Even before the Tigers settle on their new coach, the fate of several players who have been in the Richmond system for at least five years have been all but settled.
Jay Schulz is contracted for another year, but is certain to again be offered to other clubs during the annual October player-exchange period, as will Adam Pattison, who is coming out of contract. Between them this season, they have managed just 12 senior games.
Neither Pattison nor Mark Coughlan will make the final cut at Richmond for next year.
As reported last week in The Australian, Jordan McMahon will be offered up for trade.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25953824-5013406,00.html
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Interesting.
It's a sad but correct call on Cogs. Pity he worked so hard to make it back, yet the game has past him by.
Patto is an interesting decision considering they told him all pre-season he would be playing at CHF only and that lasted 2 (decent performing) weeks until he was a ruckman again. How is the man meant to settle? ::)
Schulz and McMahon should be on the trade table.
Simmonds and Brown should follow Bowden and Johnson.
They have a big decision to make with Polak.
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I think the club is doing the correct thing by attempting to trade Patto. We have an embarrassment of riches at the moment with young ruckmen and Patto seems to be slipping down the peaking order currently. If we can claim a 3rd or even 4th round pick for him I would be happy.
Conversely, if we can not gain a pick from a trade with the big fellow then I would much prefer he is kept on the list over Simmo considering his age and the ground he covers during a game. Until someone such as Browne develops Patto makes for an ideal backup and if Vickery is used more as a forward next year he would be a good, consistent 2nd ruck.
I don't think Cogs, Brown, Polak, Petts. JON or Simmonds should get another contract for various reasons and hopefully we can trade McMahon, Schulz and possibly Tuck and Patto for picks. This year is the last chance we have to claim a group of quality youth and if we hold on to players out of loyalty or hope we will be making the same mistakes we have done for decades.
Just my opinion
Stripes
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i think cogs should get 1 more year
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i think cogs should get 1 more year
cogs and Patto are the cheech and chong of this football club.
we need to move forward without these 2 has beens. They really try but enough already. They can try all they like at another club
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i think cogs should get 1 more year
cogs and Patto are the cheech and chong of this football club.
we need to move forward without these 2 has beens. They really try but enough already. They can try all they like at another club
:lol
You are an A grade moron Daniel, but I'll pay that one.
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In EOTT this week, McCrea says that Patto is going under the knife for hip and ankle injuries. Would they end his season early for ops if they were going to delist him?
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I think the club is doing the correct thing by attempting to trade Patto. We have an embarrassment of riches at the moment with young ruckmen and Patto seems to be slipping down the peaking order currently. If we can claim a 3rd or even 4th round pick for him I would be happy.
Conversely, if we can not gain a pick from a trade with the big fellow then I would much prefer he is kept on the list over Simmo considering his age and the ground he covers during a game. Until someone such as Browne develops Patto makes for an ideal backup and if Vickery is used more as a forward next year he would be a good, consistent 2nd ruck.
Stripes
half agree stripes, Patto has gone backwards and I question whether he has any improvement left in him...just hold the bus on Polak lets remeber he is only 25...has shown himself to be a high performer at VFL, not yet exposed to afl..Id be leaving him to srvivve the first cut at very least...do pre season under new coach and make decision prior to PSD
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Cogs maybe unlucky his career has ended now.
Patto lucky it lasted this long!
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Patto has been injured for most of the year, hardly had a pre season due to an ankle injury which hasn't really come good. Some of you blokes really surprise me with your depth :lol of knowledge.
Be very surprised if Patto goes anywhere. Especially if Hughes is gone.
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Patto has been injured for most of the year, hardly had a pre season due to an ankle injury which hasn't really come good. Some of you blokes really surprise me with your depth :lol of knowledge.
Be very surprised if Patto goes anywhere. Especially if Hughes is gone.
He's still got no idea what to do with the footy and his agility (even for a big fella) is too poor to be a genuine a ruck-forward.
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Whatever.
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Patto has been injured for most of the year, hardly had a pre season due to an ankle injury which hasn't really come good. Some of you blokes really surprise me with your depth :lol of knowledge.
Be very surprised if Patto goes anywhere. Especially if Hughes is gone.
Mate,Patterson is a wacko.,
Watched him at Northern Knights.
Am still stumped how he won the B & F there, and am still stumped that he got onto an AFL list.
Must have "'photos"" of people in power to get where he has got ::)
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Agree on all counts.
Sad for the players involved but the club is bigger than the individual and the club and its progree needs to move forward.
Cogs has been an exceptional waste with his injuries but alas those are the breaks.
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In my haste I forgot one definite name for the trade list - Raines, so that makes McMahon and Raines definite trades, Schulz a good possibility, Patto a chance and Tuck at a stretch. The club may even see if someone would take Brown or Simmonds off our hands before we delist them.
There will certainly be a big cull this year whatever way you look at it.
Stripes
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i think cogs should get 1 more year
NO
As J P McEnroe used to say - YOU CANT BE SERIOUS
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By the way is Patto 28 or 22 ??? Unless you got something for him he can improve and its sad that people slag off on a bloke that gives his best evergy week.
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By the way is Patto 28 or 22 ??? Unless you got something for him he can improve and its sad that people slag off on a bloke that gives his best evergy week.
He moves like an 82 year old.
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No real surprises with the names mentioned. Sadly Cogs has been crueled by injuries since his B&F :(. Too slow and his kicking has gone to the dogs. At 27 he's finished. Unless he gets a farewell game in Perth his final game could running around for Coburg at Preston this Sunday.
Patto is 23. No obvious position to play him in modern AFL. Too slow and lacks acceleration to be a forward while too short and lacks leap to be a ruckman.
As for Sarge and Jordie - is any other club actually interested in them so we can trade them away? If we can't offload them to another club then we'll be stuck with them unless we pay both of them out of their respective contracts.
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Pattison will probably end up at Hawthorn. I dont know for what. Just know they wanted to draft him in 2004 and made enquiries atleast 1 if not 2 times since then in trade periods.
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Patto will not be at Richmond next season, he is unhappy with lack of game time, has been for a number of seasons, he will seek a trade. Only way I can see him at RFC next season is if no one else wants him and we offer him another year.
And ill add in a ;) so you know its true :thumbsup
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By the way is Patto 28 or 22 ??? Unless you got something for him he can improve and its sad that people slag off on a bloke that gives his best evergy week.
we have about 10 blokes who give their best "energy" each and every week.
that is not enough.
patterson to go, its a no brainer
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Pattison will probably end up at Hawthorn. I dont know for what. Just know they wanted to draft him in 2004 and made enquiries atleast 1 if not 2 times since then in trade periods.
The Hawks need key defenders. I'd doubt they'll be interested in Patto now.
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Pattison will probably end up at Hawthorn. I dont know for what. Just know they wanted to draft him in 2004 and made enquiries atleast 1 if not 2 times since then in trade periods.
The Hawks need key defenders. I'd doubt they'll be interested in Patto now.
The reason we are so bad is we hold on to these guys to long. Pattison is not upto it, sad but simple!
Also Cogs to go too.
The RFC need to be ruthless this year come seasons end.
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Pattison will probably end up at Hawthorn. I dont know for what. Just know they wanted to draft him in 2004 and made enquiries atleast 1 if not 2 times since then in trade periods.
The Hawks need key defenders. I'd doubt they'll be interested in Patto now.
The reason we are so bad is we hold on to these guys to long. Pattison is not upto it, sad but simple!
Also Cogs to go too.
The RFC need to be ruthless this year come seasons end.
We hold onto guys for too long because we trade away picks and then we are left with too few decent picks to replace them with. Just 13 National draft picks in 4 drafts used on kids is a disgrace. We've traded away our 3rd pick three years in a row and I don't think we've traded away a player for an extra pick(s) since 2004 :P. The club's recruiting philosophy has been wrong. I still don't see the point of that extra 1.5 wins this year either which would've allowed us to delist another list clogger and replace him with a kid in the top 20 of a shallow draft. Jade didn't get the coaching job anyway and the past two weeks is hardly building a winning culture :help.
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The club's recruiting philosophy has been wrong. I still don't see the point of that extra 1.5 wins this year either which would've allowed us to delist another list clogger and replace him with a kid in the top 20 of a shallow draft. Jade didn't get the coaching job anyway and the past two weeks is hardly building a winning culture :help.
Never truer words spoken